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Please add experience reports for 6-APB (1-(1-benzofuran-6-yl)propan-2-amine) here. Highlight the following useful information at the top of the report as shown below:
• Appearance: off-white powder, slightly clumpy, packaged in red capsule
• Smell (if applicable): No odor
• Taste (if applicable): Salty
• Dosage: 50 mg in one glass juice
• Route: Orally
• Duration: 5 hours
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OK, 2.5 hours ago a monkey necked its 100mg sample this was labeled 6-APB and was shard like crystalline powder like good ketamine tastes slightly sweet. As far as the monkey goes its fucked flipping fubar'ed. Defiantly rushy, long smooth rushes still peaking. This was a powder, a free sample. Tasks are hard typing slow. Massive hunger pains. not sweating at all but flipping cold feet and hands. To 'here' took 25 mins
today monkey worked 9 hour straight shift had daily meads' 2 x methylphenidate 10mg short acting last one at 5 pm took APB 10pm. meds duration about 3 hrs so would have worn off.
monkey's eyes are looking through everything. mild trippy peripheral vision. its like opium meets MDMA. after reading even more reports on this stuff i think monkey has got the real thing. jaw stuck to the side need water.
BPM 114 but its palpitating maybe thats the time bending, swim wonders if thats normal. slight heart pain no shooting so an ambulance is not needed. need to smoke a ciggy but is so high. will wait till its waring off a little before the bastard monkey smokes. hasn't been sick slight nausea on the bendey rushes. thinks could easy administered 50mg.
woah 8 out of 10
Last edited by badgerspoon; 09-08-2010 at 03:02.
Reason: i edited before but the info disappeared with reason 'si' an explanation would be nice :) please phenoxide.
So here's the deal with 6-APB atm. There's currently a couple of vendors who sell and resell the pellets "labeled as benzo fury" , apparently they contain from 70-100mg 6-APB... but tests have shown that they also contain caffeine. There are a lot of vendors who falsely advertise products as 6-APB/Benzo Fury. So far there is only one legitimate vendor for pure or close to pure 6-APB powder. Do not order benzo fury / 6-apb from a source you don't know much about. It will most likely be a mix of cheap/novel bad RC stims/blends which may be more cardio and neurotoxic than actual 6-APB.
Better yet, do not order 6-APB at all until more is known.
SWIM went against this advice though as he had very solid and reliable information about vendor, supplying genuine 6-APB. It being an analogue of MDA, and having used MDA before SWIM didn't feel much at risk.
He received 125mg of 6-APB. Not really getting much of an effect out of regular Ecstasy tabs anymore, swim wasn't sure he'd get much out of 6-APB.. Just seems like the magic of serotonin and minor dopaminergic substances have disappeared.
The product was very tan and grainy looking powder. A lot of negative reports about 6-APB have been with "white stuff".. which is clearly not 6-APB. This has a very distinct look. It also numbed swims lips after licking the last of the bag.
It was clearly labelled and sold as 6-APB, not as benzo fury. The packaging did hae the word "Fury" on it along with 6-APB. A good thing perhaps as the name BENZO fury is a poor choice for many reasons. The addition of "Fury" seemed trivial though, this was clearly marketed and labeled as 6-APB mainly.
SWIM preloaded for 2 days with a product called Neurostrim 2x (2x 465mg aniracetam, DMAE 300mg, Vinpocetine 15mg). Almost certain this may have had an impact on improving the experience.
He capsuled the 125mg and dropped it about 1.5 hours after having quite a full dinner meal.
Surprisingly, already feeling some effects. Very similar to coming up on shrooms or a psychedelic rather than coming up on MDMA/Stimulant. Vision slightly distorted, some anxiety of the unknown.
SWIMs pupils are dilated, saucer size. At this point the visual distortions are really likening to the start of a shroom trip. He's worried that this substance may be way too psychedelic, he's not into psychedelics anymore. The visual distortions are very minor however, swim realizes.. the anxiety is seeping away and is being replaced with contentedness/relaxation.
He's starting to feel very very relaxed.. yet slightly twitchy but not in an annoying way.
This is similar to MDA, probably somewhere inbetween MDA and MDMA. It seems to trigger an intense ADHD for swim though. He's all over the place, doing menial things.
Effects intensify, swim forces himself to sit down relax and listen to music.
Music appreciation is great, he imagines he could just sit and lay down for hours listening to music. Perhaps even dance but, the experience is not very stimmy. It's more of a head high than a body high. A large serving of serotonin with a pinch of dopamine. He's experiencing no horniness, which most stimulants seem to afflict swim with.
People report feeling naseuas and vomiting on comeup. SWIM feels nothing of this, he also doesn't feel bruxism that much but, he dropped 200mg magnesium at some point.
This feels like the peak has been reached finally. Very intense and potent, a very chilled out yet intense experience. There's that classic floaty head feeling, SWIM is truly able to get lost in the music. All inhibitions to communicating with people are also gone.
He drifts away with the music but, finding it hard to stay in place. He gets up, goes to the TV and watches Champions League football highlights. He's finding even mundane plays very interesting, something which usually bores him. he manages to watch for about 5-10 minutes, despite enjoying this he gets back to the music.
It's making SWIM skittish because he wants to do everything at once.. he's finding it difficult to stay relaxed and just go with the flow.
Definitely enjoying it, the experience has lived up to exactly how SWIM imagined it. Trippier more laid back version of MDMA, closer to MDA but unique in its own way. Hard to put his finger on. He hasn't experienced this type of roll before really. The euphoria is underlying, it needs to be tapped into by relaxing and listening to music.. staying put. It's not automatic and constantly intense like it would be on good MDMA of old.
Head is certainly more trippy/floaty than MDMA however.. which is why it's probably easier to get lost in the music. Float your mind away from the body. There's a pronounced disconnect between the two.
No tactile sensations to speak of.
T+2h - 2h 30m
Peak is still going strong, as methylone has been his main substance for the past years he'd imagine a dropoff at this point. 6-APB is definitely longer lasting than methylone, mephedrone and ecstasy.
There's no thought or compulsion for a redose. In fact, there is not much thought at all. SWIM doesn't seem to have any real train of thought. He's very disconnected from reality, but in a comfortable place.. free of anxiety & any troubles. At this stage with most drugs he would've counted his heartrate at least once. He feels no pressure inside his chest however, heartrate may be elevated but inteisified. blood pressure feels normal.. He doesn't think or worry about it at all, which is very refreshing. After his experiences with Ritalin / MDPV / mephedrone where there's constant cardio awareness.
T+2h 30m - 3h 30m
Can not recall what was going on at this point. Just a massive pleasant blur...
SWIM snaps out of the really intense part, still feeling close peak however. Despite not much of a body high/tactile sensations.. he decided he should experiment sexually. No partner around so..
For the next 2 hours swim is obsessively trying to get some kind of excitement out of masturbation. He is listening to music at the same time while ahem watching some sexual materials. Not really focusing on either of the two. Orgasm is inhibited, no erectile problems.. but complete loss of sensation and level of horniness is probably slightly below that of a sober SWIM.
This is the tail end of the peak. SWIM managed to orgasm but he wasn't sure. It was barely felt. As for sexual enhancement, 6-APB is not a substance of choice. He's starting to land. Feeling tired & weak.
Music is now moments of confusion mixed with appreciaton. He feels as if the peak has past and is entering more of a gentle seeming comedown.
He decided to just lay in bed and try to drift.
After mildly floating around in his bed.. the contendedness has deserted him. The comedown crash is very mild in comparison to say methylone.
He doesn't feel guilt or like he's wasted the evening as he always does with methylone. There's a very mild agitation at this point.
With other substances swim wouldve most likely redosed.. but even if he did have more 6-APB he doubts he would've here.
SWIM feels wiped mentally.. half asleep almost. he decides to take 1mg xanax (usually 2mg is the trick for comedowns). He is fast asleep in 30 minutes.
He wakes up 9 hours later, completely surprised at having slept uninterrupted and dreamless for so long. Felt as if he had just closed his eyes and opened them up. SWIM scans his mind for signs of depression / day afters but experiences none. He feels... positive, relaxed..
A most definite afterglow. SWIM is feeling more chatty and motivated than usual. He's slightly on the low side of energetic but mentally very relaxed. No agitation or anxiety as he writes this experience the day after.
With something like Methylone SWIM would feel near awful right about now.
Perhaps there may be a delayed crash once the afterglow is gone, swim doubts it though.
SWIM rates it a 7/10, he would've liked a slight bit more stimulation.
If used next time he thinks he can achieve 8/10 by not being so scattered and knowing what to expect. Probably a bit too mongy for being a party drug, more of a chill at home drug with a friend and music. The long duration was welcome. No stressing over redoses just to feel "normalish" ala Methylone. (the first hour of methylone is probably a 7/10 followed by hours of 5/10 basic stimulation)
Perhaps there's some merit to redosing once and lengthening the experience somewhat. Even with a redose swim doubts the crash and day after would come anywhere close to what methylone does.
Intense but relaxing
A trippy aspect which is very comfortable and managable for someone who does not enjoy psychedelics
Very obvious analogue of MDA, lives up to its billing. One of the best RC's to come along to date.
Ability to drift and float away from reality.. get lost in things.
Extreme contentness with a mild underlying euphoria that can be tapped into.
Long lasting peak
No compulsive desire to redose
No anxiety of tachycardia / chest strain
New and unresearched chemical, altough imagine a lot about MDA can be attributed to 6-APB
Many scamming vendor with fake product / selling pellets with 6-APB + mixed with pointless additives such as caffeine
Have to guide the roll rather than be guided by it ala MDMA.
Can intensify ADHD. Had difficulties focusing, staying put.. Enjoyed music but found himself only listening to 1 minute of each song or so.
First experience will probably be a learning experience.
Doubt this will stay in the legal greyzone for long. Fedex already holding packages up in the UK for testing.
Somewhat absent of a body high / tactile sensations, may be positive or negative depending on user.
This will perhaps create a risky urge to combine 6-APB with something more dopaminergic, thus creating more side effects / worse crashes.
While there was little urge to redose, SWIM is already thinking about the next time... He hasn't really enjoyed RC's for quite some time now. The magic and enjoyablity of it was slightly rediscovered last night. This may perhaps be detrimental to some but SWIM will sit on his hands.
Experience: Smoked Alot Of Marijuana. Alot of experience in Mephedrone. Some experience in MDMA, Ketamine, NRG-1, Cocaine, Ecstacy pills, Magic mushrooms.
SWIM's advice would be to purchase this research chemical off a trusted vendor from the official network, as many seem to be selling a crystaline white powder or capsules, which are not what the official Benzo Fury pellets appear like. Genuine 6-APB are small, orange pills in a sealed wrapper with the official benzo fury logo on the front. Unless you get this, you are not buying genuine 6-APB from what SWIM sees. However, some reports do talk of powders. Personally, to SWIM this sounds dodgy.
Anyway, here goes....
SWIM purchased 9 benzo fury pellets each containing 100mg. SWIM bought them for the V festival this year, and was buzzing for them! I had 2 doses over the weekend, and SWIM will tell you of both.
The first was on the friday night of arrival, and SWIM was going to go to the dance tent down at the arena. SWIM and 1 other friend both had a Benzo fury at the tent at around 9.00pm, chilled for around 15 minutes then went down to rave SWIMs Benzo'd heads off!
SWIM can't accurately tell you how long it took to come up, as what he found was that he didn't notice the comeup but at one point (approximately an hour after ingestion) SWIM looked around and thought 'bloody hell i am so mashed!'. From this point on SWIM was extremely social and in loved everything, the festival buzz as a catalyst. SWIM literally smoke to everyone, male or female, and had butterflies the whole time. Also, SWIM was really hyper and would randomly run around and spin in circles. SWIM was full of happiness.
SWIM went back to the tent around 12 oclock, and chilled with afew beers in the tent. SWIM was still up off the Benzofury at around 4 in the morning, and was really suprised at how long her had been up for. SWIMself and SWIM's friends sat in the tent sniffing bottles of poppers til half 6 and SWIM felt like he was still slightly up off the pills then! After SWIM and his friends had been sniffing the poppers for afew hours SWIM started to hallucinate mildly. Only brief, and SWIM thinks it was the poppers but everyones faces were covered in a white cloud and there eyes flickering. SWIM went to sleep at around 6.30am, woke uparound 8.30am, and was feel no comedown the next day. SWIM doesn't get comedowns off anything he is so glad to be able to say Possibly the Benzo was allowing SWIM to have such little sleep and still be wide awake?
Next night, SWIM went abit more hardcore and ingested a pill and a half (~150mg). I will only explain the difference in intensity of a larger dose rather than give a full trip report.
SWIM was alot more intoxicated off the larger dose, and couldn't hack prodigy til the end because he was too mullered to mosh! SWIM just had insane double vision, mild trails, and colours seemed brighter whilst in the moshpits.
When SWIM get back to the campsite, he saw a group of people and walked upto them thinking it ws people he knew. He could see them clearly and was about to run upto them but then realised he knew none of them! (This tends to happen on Mephedrone for SWIM too). He got back to the campsite and SWIM sat down. He was mashed. He started to hallucinate abit, yet still only minor and not to the extent of any psychadelics SWIM has experience with. SWIM only saw 2 specific things, not including the really subtle wobbly vision and vision being intensified so that you pick out every little detail of every object. One class thing SWIM did see was a large watch on the floor on the opposite end of the very large tent SWIM was in. The watch was the size of a small dinner plate and the fingers on the watch were turning frantically. SWIM had to properly relax his mind to be able to start halluncinating like this, and the fact it was so dark was the main factor SWIM feels.
SWIM would recommend Benzofury, provided you buy from an official benzofury distibutor. Too many counterfeit research chemicals being sold off as Benzofury. Can't discuss it any further on the forum.
Another report from someone's unpublished research...
Gender: Male Weight: 145 lbs Age: 22 Dose: 25mg PO (t+0:00) + 75mg PO (t+0:25) + 40mg PO (t+1:07) 6-APB (1-(1-benzofuran-6-yl)propan-2-amine), 2.25 TD (t+4:21) JWH-081 (4-methoxynaphthalen-1-yl-(1-pentylindol-3-yl)methanone) Setting: Home
Previous experience: Various research phenethylamines & tryptamines within a range of med-high doses have given this subject ample context for evaluating novel psychedelic & empathogenic compounds, though as always, his impressions are unique to his psychology, physiology, neurochemistry and setting.
Note: PO = Peroral, TD = Transdermal (dissolved in DMSO and administered via micropipette), SL = Sublingual (dissolved in EtOH and administered via oral syringe), HR = Heart-Rate as monitored by home-EKG.
Blood-pressure and body-temperature monitored intermittently with no significant change unless indicated.
t+0:00- 25mg 6-APB PO in a gelatin capsule.
Last meal consisting of mixed protein/carbohydrates consumed approximately 7 hours prior to administration. 60min fatiguing cardiovascular exercise performed 1.5 hours prior to administration. Subject has consumed caffeine throughout the day, and a mixed CB-receptor agonist (5mg oral CP 55,940) the prior evening.
The subject's mood is calm, somewhat apprehensive. There are no external sources of anxiety or discomfort present.
HR = 58BPM.
t+0:25- Additional 75mg 6-APB PO in a gelatin capsule.
The subject rarely consumes 100% of desired dose at t+0:00 to avoid abrupt initiation of effects and reduce reactive nausea. A prior allergy-test of the compound revealed no effect.
HR = 72BPM.
t+1:07- Additional 40mg 6-APB PO in a gelatin capsule. Minor cognitive effects noted- decreased attention-span and working-memory induce a general 'spaciness' in the subject. Some apprehension regarding social communication (an unexpected public encounter with a colleague inspires the subject to ensure the remainder of the assay be private).
Motor coordination is intact but feels abnormal- bicycling is possible and enjoyable, but does not feel as intuitive as usual. No change in mood. Small physical effect-profile (opening of the chest, increased sensitivity to temperature, some anorexia). HR = 80BPM.
t+1:34- Effects rising steadily. Maintained shortened attention span, some cognitive befuddlement (though general coherence is intact), would not readily communicate with another individual at this time.
Apparent movement in peripheral vision, minor trailing and exaggerated CEV-noise. General increased appreciation for sound and music.
Low-dose tryptamine-esque physical effects manifest-- muscles slightly contracted but in a post-exercise, pleasurable manner, occasional bouts of tightness in lower digestive tract. Some ghost-limb-like trailing in movement.
2˚F increase in body-temperature since t+0:00. HR = 88
t+2:02- Markedly increased appreciation for visual, olfactory stimuli. Wandering headspace. Auditory enhancement still present. Some sense of euphoric pairing with tantalizing stimuli. Otherwise, no change in mood.
Continued increased sensitivity to temperature.
HR = 86
t+3:14- Effects have plateaued for approximately 45min now. A steady ++/+++ oscillation state (i.e. waves). Minor general confusion noted in response to complex language, content of reading material and later film.
Maintained sensitivity to temperature. Increased pleasure-threshold (i.e. some numbing of response in the genitals). General lethargy noted- not cumbersome but the subject is more comfortable sedentary than active.
HR = 90
t+4:21- Some spacial and temporal dissociation occur in response to 2.25mg transdermal JWH-081. Enhanced euphoric response to visual, auditory and olfactory stimuli. Generally heightened emotional sensitivity, non-directional
Appetite has returned and the individual is readily able to cook a multi-course meal. Physical and cognitive faculties appear to be intact, despite consistent altered state. Notable appreciation of gustation for savory, but not sweet foods.
HR = 84
t+5:14- The effects, both cognitive and physical, are beginning to decline. Only CEV-fuzz remains regarding visual effects, no trails or enhanced color definition. Heightened emotional sensitivity is still present and inspiring. Physical contact with the subject's pet kitten proves to be very comforting. A long-distance communication is executed without discomfort or fault, though the subject remains apprehensive towards verbal communication.
HR = 80
t+7:55- Primary effects have almost completely subsided. 0.15mg Alprazolam SL administered to relieve some cognitive restlessness. No emotional decline noted. Some physical aches are abolished with hot oolong tea and a warm bath.
HR = 68
t+10:00- Subject achieves sleep with no difficulty, though some sense of exhaustion. Subject is satisfied and complacent.
HR = 62
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Figure 1. The effects (subj. scale) of progressive dosages of 6-APB over time (min)
Blue = Summed primary effects
Red = Summed side effects
Commentary: At this dose, 6-APB is a generally mild, somewhat generic psychedelic-empathogen. The sensory-effects are present but not intrusive, and seem inextricably linked to affective responses. A notably heightened sensitivity to emotional stimuli appears to be non-directional (i.e. may manifest as enhanced positive or negative responses).
The physical effect-profile of the compound is relatively benign, with some tryptamine-like tingles and tension manifesting intermittently. Any GI tension or nausea is present only during the initial stages of the effects, and subsides naturally. Heart-rate is increased throughout by 10-40%.
For comparison, the cognitive and affective effect-profile is reminiscent of a less pronounced and less directional MDAI, while many of the sensory components are more akin to ~18mg 2C-C or a similarly mild, low-dose phenethylamine.
The drug was taken at home in a comfortable setting. A small amount of cannabis was consumed earlier that morning. No other psychoactive compounds had been consumed over the last 4 days. Last meal consumed 1.5 hr prior.
0:35 - Some mild stimulation is apparent. It is unclear whether or not this is simple apprehension or actual drug effect.
0:41 - Clearly, and interestingly, more peripheral stimulation. No change in cognitive processing.
0:49 - Something else is happening though it is difficult to describe. Hardly noticeable, likely a threshold effect.
0:55 - Seems as though the subject may have given into hype of the alternative brand name this compound has been sold by, Benzo Fury, as there is a mild mood lift and anxiety reduction that might be compared to that of a medium duration acting benzodiazepine. Conversation flows in a gentle and blissful manner.
0:58 - More stimulation present. Quite an enjoyable compound so far. Very forgiving.
1:06 - There is a wonderful feeling of ease. This compound is more stimulating, but much less empathogenic than MDAI, but otherwise comparable.
1:15 - Main effects appear to have tapered off, hardly noticeable.
judging by the post in the info thread slacker would suggest it isn't 6-apb. assuming the pellets actually contain it, the duration should be much longer. plus in general the come up is reasonably prolonged and can take up to an hour. 160mg ought to be a pretty hefty dose as well, usually 100mg is a pretty strong dose.
my friend was taking out her garbage and found a rather interesting note scribbled on a scrap of paper near the dumpster
subject profile: male; 26 years old; 155lbs; general good health subject's relevant prior drug use:marijuana, lsd, mushrooms, mdma, methylone, mephedrone, 2c-e, 2c-i, 2c-t-7, cocaine total dose: 120mg consumed orally over a 45-minute span
t + 0:00 (~3:45pm) - subject consumes 80mg of a brown, grainy and somewhat fragrant powder labeled as 6-apb. last meal was a turkey & avocado sandwich and bag of potato chips, consumed roughly 3 hours prior. powder is placed inside a gelcap and taken orally with a combination of orange juice and spiced rum (a medium-sized drink with roughly 2.5oz of 94 proof alcohol which usually gives the subject a mild buzz). the subject noted that he consumed ecstasy and methylone only 3 nights ago, so his serotonin levels are likely depleted, which will probably affect the efficacy of the substance in question.
t + 0:20 - no effects other than mild stomach irritation. subject decides to consume another 20mg with same drink.
t + 0:45 - mild effects felt, notably a bit of a spacey feeling. slight flushing of the face and very slight pupil dilation are noted. subject's stomach is feeling improved but not perfect. subject decides to consume another 20mg.
t + 1:00 - subject smokes a small bowl of marijuana (high quality bud). he realizes his consumption of alcohol and marijuana will slightly skew the effects of his experiment, but he will likely consume both in future experiments as well. he proceeds to get dressed and walk to the local grocery for some orange juice.
t + 1:50 - subject has returned from his walk. along the way, he began to feel a gradual uplift in mood, reaching mild to medium euphoria as he approached home. he also notes a reduction in his social anxiety, as he was able to converse with the cashier without feeling nervous. he even gave a pleasant hello to a passing police officer as he left the store, which would normally make the subject extremely uncomfortable if he was simply high on marijuana and alcohol. he states he was also aware of an increase in empathy, able to sympathize with others' situations without feeling too "brought down" about them. on the way back, he stopped for some menthol cigarettes, which he found very pleasant to smoke. he states that colors have become more vivid, and he also is experiencing enhanced musical appreciation. side effects of note include "fuzzy" head feeling (similar to mdma, maybe a little "trippier"), dry mouth (possibly enhanced by marijuana intake), warmth in the body and especially the face (possibly from the brisk walk in the cold), and dilated pupils. skin color has returned to normal. subject decides to watch college (american) football, as he a fan of the sport and a good game is on.
t + 2:35 - subject has finished the alcoholic drink he initially made. he had half before he left for the store, and finished the rest upon returning. he feels he is at a solid ++, occasionally nearing a +++, but not quite reaching it. the subject wishes to note that he has an innate tolerance for serotonergic substances (likely due to past use of said substances) which, combined with his recent use of ecstasy and methylone, is likely reducing the effects of the 6-apb. regardless of what happens in the coming hours, he plans to wait about a month and repeat the experiment with the same dose to determine if serotonin depletion has played a significant part in possibly diminishing the experience. he expects so, but this experience feels rather good, and he'd like to repeat it in the future (especially if it will be more euphoric and visual when his neurotransmitters are replenished). subject decides to smoke some more marijuana. he says the football game is quite entertaining, by the way
t + 3:10 - the subject is in quite a pleasant state of mind. not blatant, mind-numbing, bruxism-inducing euphoria like he had when he rolled a few days ago, but a significantly upbeat and positive mindset. he has noticed some mild morphing of walls and patterns, similar to what he claims he has noticed on phenethylamines but to a slightly lesser degree.
t + 4:30 - the subject has made himself another drink. he has spent the past hour and a half chatting with some friends (new and old) online and watching football. he still feels a general euphoria and comfort, but he has no significant visuals at this point. potential causes of the relative mildness of the experience include neurotransmitter depletion from recent drug use, the subject's natural tolerance, alcohol's diminishing the psychedelic effects, or the possibility the substance is not 6-apb. the subject would like to note that while he describes the current experience as "mild," it is by no means disappointing, and he feels that it is most likely the 6-apb he's read similar positive reports about. mild bruxism is noted, and pupils are still significantly dilated. resting heart rate is 100-105bpm.
t + 6:20 - the subject indicates that effects seem to be gradually subsiding. the drop-off might have begun earlier, but the subject cannot pinpoint when. he says it's not like the "bottom-dropping-out" kind of crash, but rather a slow drift towards baseline (which makes it hard for him to determine just when it began). subject maintains that he is still feeling significantly under the influence of 6-apb. he could probably function in public if required, but close associates might notice something. his pupils remain dilated and face feels warm to the touch. resting heart rate is 90-95bpm. he has also had a few yawns. subject has stated that he will consume one last alcoholic beverage and another bowl of marijuana and try to eventually drift to sleep. he will note the time at which he drifts off (hopefully within the next 2-3 hours). barring any unforeseen effects, he claims he will end his subjective analysis, noting that he believes that abstaining from serotonergic drugs for a while will increase the positive effects of his next experiment. as a whole, he rates the experience he's had as a B/B+ and is anticipating further study. his analysis indicates that 6-apb seems better suited for a night in with a few friends than a night out clubbing. there was only a mild energetic push, and the subject much preferred sitting cozily under a blanket over dancing. future tests should hopefully provide more insight.
i dont know how to insert picture or I would, but this is not about me,
its about a friendly turtle who snorted 100mg of this substance. He found it to be mild and pleasant, and giggle reminiscing the old days of use. definably an pp feeling with some rushes down the back, and arms and legs
turtle snorted second 100mg about 45mins after and had an increase of said feeling but still not, a strong rush or anything like that, nice and smooth come on, felts authentic like a weak E or something but too expensive to try again(can I say that). still the experiment was enjoyable.
went a walk an after sitting down again felt a bit smacked, which was nice.
About 2 hrs later the turtle turned and took MXE and nice feeling
The drug was taken at home in a comfortable setting. No food was consumed for 5 hours prior to ingestion. No psychoactive compounds were used for 15 days prior to this second assay. Measurements of HR and BP were taken twice, and averaged, for the entire report. Baseline: BP 121/70, HR 62 BPM.
0:20 - Potential threshold effects are beginning. First came a slight stimulation in the head, an awareness of a presence. He feels relaxed now, mood is unchanged but very positive. He anticipates a good experience, feels the very mellow come up begin. BP 120.5/68, HR 61 BPM.
0:32 - Continues discussion with a friend online, no new developments.
0:44 - Seems as though some sort of effect is building. Unsure how to characterize it.
1:00 - 118.5/66, HR 57.5 BPM.
1:13 - Steady effects, no new developments. Subject feels potential threshold, an awareness of something happening.
1:15 - Insufflates 25mg.
1:24 - First visual effects come forth, though very subtle. Slight movement akin to that of a low dose of DPT. Other cerebral effects noticed as might be expected from a tryptamine; changes in thought processes, greater awareness of self in respect to non-self, a light feeling in the body, euphoric vibrations in the lungs and torso.
1:30 - BP 122/73, HR 61 BPM.
1:36 - Slightly higher level of stimulation, eyes clearly focused but surroundings appear to.. shimmer? There is a certain vibration of the visual field, it is calm but of a high frequency.
1:49 - Effects are building to a more prominent level. An MDMA like, highly serotonergic edge. Euphoria is becoming pronounced, slight visual effects have stayed the same. Some feeling of unease, anorexia occurs.
1:54 - Visual effects come to a ++. Evident, but not overly intense at all. Body feels warm, slightly numb. Thoughts progressing as normal. Slightly more empathetic tones coming through. Music sounds great, and feel great too.
2:01. Shivers / cold chills emanate through the body. Feels the same tension in the face he would from MDMA.
2:06. Dilation of time is apparent, effects seem to have peaked. Mentally similar to a moderate dose of 2C-C, no intense or rapid shift in linear thought, no confusion or looping as would be expected from 2C-I/E/T-2 or 4-AcO/HO-DMT.
2:14. BP 132/71.5, HR 66 BPM.
2:30. Effects have stabilized, came down to about 85%. A comfortable level. Threshold ++.
The effects persist for another hour or so, then the subject aborts the experience via administration of 10mg Zolpidem.
Summary of effects:
Body load of Methylone/2C-C
Mental/Cognitive effects of 2C-C/MDMA
Entactogenic effects of very low dose (~25%) MDMA*
Visual effects of a low dose (~50%) Tryptamine*/MDMA
Stimulatory effects of 2C-C/Methylone
*where effects are said to be of a lower dose, the subject attempts to describe that the effects are of the same quality, but a fraction of the intensity of the drug compared to
Given all the above, this compound isn't that interesting at all. It doesn't bring any novel effects to the experience, but rather hits a medium between various other compounds. It is very interesting to see this conglomerate of effects, however, calculating precise doses of many others the subject is under the impression one might be able to come to a 6-APB-type experience with all of the above. But then again, one would have to remove MDMA's effects on the body, remove the visual effects of 2C-C, remove the entactogenic effects of Methylone, and onlt then you might have it.
So far I am quite surprised with the above reports. For me 150mg was a strong dose, and 200mg would have proabably been too much. Effects lasted a good 6-8 hours for me (pupils only back to normal size 8 hours later even though most major effects had gone after 6 or so). Did you test the 6-apb you brought neurochi with any sort of testing kit? [EDIT: just seen your links in the above post! Thanks, I'll get on with testing mine now and post back]. Also I noticed that the 6-apb I receieved was extremely light powder, a gram looked like about three of your average other chemical, and was browny/tanned color. I would compare effects as being somewhere inbetween MDMA and MDA/MDAI. Very pleasant, I rate it 8/10. Will maybe write a full exp reoprt when I have more time.
Indeed around 100mg of real 6-APB is pretty strong almost feels like an MDA pro-drug. Feel something at first, but after an hour strong effects feeling like MDA kick in probably because it metabolizes to something stronger. And lasts awhile.
Previous experiences MDMA, LSD, mushrooms, various synthetic tryptamines, various 2C-X's, 25NBoMe's, various benzodiazepines, arylcyclohexamines, opioids, the works.
In a friends experience 6-APB is the the bees knees. He has tried doses of 70, 100 and 150 mg. Insufflation is NOT RECOMMENDED; pain is not the issue, moreso the compound has such a low density (not really sure what the antonym of "dense" is when talking about chemicals, he has never really had to describe something as 'not dense') that it is quite difficult to insufflate. He ended up coughing as if he had breathed in a bunch of dust by accident. 150 mg is more than enough, maybe too much?; he hasn't established his perfect dose because he doesn't like to use drugs that act on the serotonergic system more often than every 2 months or so.
He has never taken MDA so cannot compare it but the euphoria is quite reminiscent if not more enjoyable than that of MDMA, partly because it lasts MUCH longer, with a peak of nearly 4-6 hours or so in his experience, and no horrid comedown although he has never experienced the "MDMA blues" that many others seem to encounter. Might have something to do with the fact that he also never gets "hungover" after imbibing.
First experience with 70 mg was quite enjoyable, began with him sitting around a fire reading and listening to classical music... this didn't last very long as he couldn't help but change the music to something much more ravey . Spent the rest of the night chatting with a roommate and watching a few movies... can't remember much else, these experiences were ~ 3 months ago so he can't recollect anything too significant.
100 and 150 mg were both equally enjoyable and both experiences were at concerts, Beats Antique and Flux Pavilion/Dr. P, respectively. 100 mg was probably just under the desired dose, but 150 mg was definitely enough. 150 mg was NYE; he did have a bit of memory loss but he is not sure if he imbibed at all or not. Have to check with friends. Definitely was a remarkable night.
He would recommend this compound to ANYONE, will have another experience to report next weekend as he is attending a music festival in Vail, Colorado (SNOWBALL!).
MORE IMPORTANTLY: Has anyone read any studies on this compound? I cannot find ANY on PubMed...
He has a lot more information to offer but please ask questions as his memory would need to be jostled a bit...
MORE IMPORTANTLY: Has anyone read any studies on this compound? I cannot find ANY on PubMed...
He has a lot more information to offer but please ask questions as his memory would need to be jostled a bit...
Well I'll ask to tweak your memory best you can then The more experiences the better.
As for studies on this compound there is no data at all. Its too obscure, has no medicinal use to warrant clinical studies and remains underground enough at the moment to avoid attention in most literature. All I dug up was the patent from years ago which dealt with the synthesis of it, as well as other similar analogues, and that's it. This is a very unique compound, and for sure one of my favorites. The high feels a lot cleaner than MDMA or other stimulants, lasts longer and has a pretty mild comedown; if not redosed. I would not be surprised if its shown to be more a psychedelic than a stimulant in terms of receptor binding, the high is definately slightly psychedelic; simlar to a threshold dose of 2cb I would say, but without the visuals.
My field agent acquired more of this compound a few weeks ago. Hasn't had the opportunity to try it yet however. He'll conduct an experiment with 150mg (same source with a new batch) and see if it's even more glowing.
ROA: - Oral in Rizla (rolling) paper
Dose: 110mg + 110mg (220mg total from a supplier believed to be reputable based on previous business)
Other: chemicals in system at start- Alcohol
Other: chemicals ingested over experience tobacco, Zopiclone, etizolam.
Setting: Friends flat after night out
Some of this substance came Snufkins way a few weeks ago, he took some doses with him on a night out not sure if they would be consumed at all, and if they were to be, exactly what the situation would be. The night was strange from its first conception.
Snufkin ate a fairly large meal around 6pm and then wasted a few hours before heading out to catch a late film with 2 friends ("A" & "B"). The night was expected to be socially strange as another member of the group who had attended all but two outings (drug based or otherwise) over the past 5 years was busy and so absent. The absent party could be considered more outgoing/entertaining in the social dynamic of the group than the other parties and Snufkin's self.
Snufkin and friend "A" met at 10pm as arranged and got drinks. "A" had been drinking earlier in the evening and was "merry" having consumed roughly 4 pints of strong ale, "B" arrived roughly an hour later in which time "A"and Snufkin had consumed roughly 3 alcohol units. A brisk walk to the cinema was needed to make it to the Cuban zombie film (Juan of the dead) which turned out to be excellent. A further round of drinks was bought at the cinema and the film began as they seated (they were the only customers). By the time the film had finished the alcohol had taken quite an effect on "A" but eager to explore the city's night life they ploughed on to a bar, and got in a further two rounds of drinks before taxing home to "A's " abode.
"A" had lost the contents of their stomach in an uncontrolled but reasonably dignified manner outside the bar. To that point Snufkin had consumed in the region of 12 Units and "A" is presumed to have consumed 16-18 units but starting from roughly 3 in the afternoon.
The 6-apb Report
On arrival at "A's" abode at around 3am Snufkin and "A" consumed 110mg 6-apb wrapped in Rizla swallowed with water "B" was not in the mood but requested to insufflate a "taster" of the compound. "B" insufflated roughly 15mg, and seemed in some surprise or pain as it hit the back of his nose/throat. "A" promptly fell asleep on a couch and "B" decided to leave before 4am. Snufkin began to believe this was it for the night, he was not sad as the night had already been very good. He began to look through "A's" DVDs to find something to put on.
"A" awoke seemingly happy but surprised and expressed mild feelings of coming up Snufkin had felt the odd mild rush for about 15 minutes prior. This mild come up seemed to continue and eventually broke into a definite and increasing feeling of "being high" Snufkin and "A" spent the rest of the morning talking deeply and listening to music. Uplifted mood, Openness, Euphoria and Empathy would describe the experience well though these effects were not as extreme as with MDMA and Snufkin felt in control of what he said throughout. He cannot say he would have had this control had he consumed MDMA.
At roughly 7:30 "A's" sister and boyfriend joined for a short while to chat and be friendly following which a DVD of jackass was put on and effects of the 6-apb seemed to be withdrawing.
At roughly 8:00am against common sense and advice read elsewhere (if re-dosing is to be done do it in the first 2 hours with 1/3rd original dose) Snufkin and "A" consumed a further 110mg.
At roughly 9am Slightly heightened effects were noticed both in stimulation and euphoria but the lift was fairly small. It did however put a stop to the effects receding as they had been doing over the prior hour or so. Following this point Snufkins memory is hazy. He knows the positive mood and enjoyment of the occasion continued as did conversation.
3:15pm Effects at this point were still positive but low energy levels were becoming more distracting as was inability to change focus effectively which made lighting cigarettes very difficult and was generally disorienting. "A" took a Zopiclone 7.5mg and offered Snufkin one to help with sleep which he accepted with intrigue. They also both consumed 1mg Etizolam. From that point Snufkin recalls being awake at least a further 20mins, but does not recall falling asleep. (by this point he had been awake at least 30 hours)
9pm Snufkin awoke happy but still dopey, "A" was still asleep so he consumed a further 1mg etizolam and quickly returned to his slumbers awaking some 9 hours later and after saying his goodbyes leaving relatively quickly.
Snufkin had an very positive and enjoyable, but on the whole chilled out night on 6-apb and "A" seemed to as well. He suspects he and friends will consume it on weekends with some regularity over the coming year, but time will tell. Snufkin expects the effects would have seemed significantly stronger had participants started from sober but also suspects a larger dose could be comfortably consumed perhaps around 150mg. Re-dosing although enjoyable did not seem worthwhile compared to saving the 6-apb of the re-dose for another separate experience. Snufkin expects had he not re-dosed at 05:00 (8am) that he would have been down enough to sleep or doze at 09:00 (midday). Snufkin had heard many good/interesting things of Zopiclone so was intrigued but in some ways disappointed by its effect on this occasion purely as a knock-out pill.
Last edited by geezaman; 26-09-2012 at 16:07.
Sorry this is a combo report, but it's what Moab did for his first 6-APB test and I was his babysitter. I warned him about combining RCs but we have an agreement that if he takes anything risky then he will let me be nearby in case he experiences serious problems. I wanted to share his experience because it looked and sounded incredibly positive for anyone who is into this sort of thing. His experience will be written in first person, the rest is what I'll say about him and my observations.
About Moab ("Man on a bus" cuz I met him on one, or "Musician on a bus" cuz he's always carrying his guitar):
~ approx. 80 KG (175-185 pounds)
~ 4 decades of light recreational drug use of all types, from the classic psychedelics to coca to prescription opiates and benzos and barbiturates, plus MDMA and MDA, several psychiatric meds (currently takes gabapentin and lamotrigine), and numerous research chemicals (2-FMA, 4-FA, MPA, MDAI, 4-MEC, a-PVP, 5-Meo-MipT, and a few others.)
Moab is highly sensitive to all psychoactive substances and uses things in small amounts; he has never been an addict so he has never experienced significant tolerance to anything other than the usual attempt to take something like MDMA 2 days in a row and getting little out of it the second day.
In order to make this a quick read for people who don't care about the details, I've highlighted his experience report in bold type where the essential info is given. Here he is, in his own words:
When I woke up today I prepared a capsule with 50mg of 6-APB and 40mg of 4-FA. I immediately took a ranitidine tablet to prevent stomach acid problems before taking anything else.
I selected some other supplements to take on an empty stomach such as piracetam, acetyl-l-carnitine, vitamin C, acetyl-l-tyrosine, acacia catechu, EGCG and taurine (these aren't directly related to the RC experiment, they're mostly part of a daily ritual.) About 20 minutes after taking the ranitidine, I ingested the capsules.
T=0:00 Capsules swallowed with full glass of water. I spent the next 15 minutes preparing a breakfast consisting of salad greens, whole grains and seeds, walnut and toasted sesame oils, boiled egg, avocado, red bell pepper, you get the idea, hyper-healthy.
T=0:20 Begin to feel stimulant effect of 4-FA, slightly uncomfortable with a sense of dopamine toxicity (strange feeling of disconnect between brain and peripheral muscles, like early stages of Parkinson's disease).
T=0:45 By now the stimulation is increased but is easier to handle because of blissful feelings in body and mind. Might be feeling a bit of the 6-APB because it doesn't feel like 4-FA alone. It's better than that.
T=1:00 By the time an hour has passed, all discomfort is gone and euphoria is magnificent. Feeling calm, very alert, loving (a sense of feeling that everything and everyone is perfect, which some people incorrectly refer to as "empathy" although empathy often goes along with this feeling)
T=2:40 I keep thinking that I've reached the plateau, that it can't get any better, but it kept getting better and easier to deal with. NO side effects, just pure blissful BEING and accepting everything as it is. Body feels wonderful but not sexual (zero libido but that could change if I look at a beautiful woman.) There is no desire to re-dose or change the way I feel because what I feel is pure perfection. Adding or subtracting anything would be a mistake. I am SO GLAD I kept the doses small! Thank you Drugs-Forum people for providing so much helpful information. Your experience reports, dosage information, harm reduction information, pharmacological knowledge and everything else, all of it helped me to predict how I would respond to various doses of each substance and to the two of them combined. Nailed it!
T=3:30 There is no change, this is perfect EXCEPT for one thing: I just measured my blood pressure, it's 149 over 103, pulse is OK though at 89. Took small amount of propranolol to stabilize BP; 149 over 103 is not a medical crisis and now that about 2 hours have passed since peak plateau was reached I don't expect it to go any higher. I don't want to over-react to the BP situation because propranolol is a bit of a depressant and can also cause vasoconstriction when taken with other substances, or so I've read on one medical website regarding the treatment of high blood pressure associated with hyperserotonemia.
The effects of this combination FEELS like a dump of dopamine, serotonin, norepinephrine and even some GABA activity; downstream effects on AMPA and other receptors, along with levels of glutamate and other neurotransmitters, cannot be ascertained through experience alone. I might be experiencing some NDRI and MAOI effects as well, but I feel too good to worry about brain damage at this moment. Hence, the danger of combining things that feel so good --- they cause harm but the user doesn't care if he/she succombs to binging, frequent use, or long-term use.
T=4:00 My mind rapidly clears out the euphoric bliss and I'm left with a blissed-out body but a strange state of mind as though I'm partly in the RC experiment and partly out of it. As this continues and feels strange, I decide (foolishly) to re-dose the 4-FA. It's the moreish of the 2 substances IMHO. Did about 20mg sublingual and regained the mental aspect of the euphoria, plus some much needed energy. I had started feeling drowsy by 4 to 4.5 hours after starting this report. But that could be because of taking phenibut earlier, then propranolol.
T=4:40 Blood pressure measures 163 over 99; pulse is down to 75, probably because of propranolol being a beta blocker, which tends to slow the heart. Rise in BP is probably due to the added 4-FA; this risky side effect has always been part of the 4-FA experience for me.
T=6:00+ (lost track of time), added another 25mg 4-FA sublingual to regain the high. There's still a lot of drugged feeling, which is pleasant and relaxing, slightly trippy, makes me very happy and outgoing when roommate comes home from work.
T=10:00+ The lingering effects are nice but I've taken additional relaxing agents such as picamilon, another 300 mg of phenibut, 300 mg l-theanine, 25mg benadryl, and another 20mg of propranolol. Blood pressure is stabilizing at a comfortable pre-hypertension level (140s over 90s) and all feelings of unease or speediness are gone. Very mellow buzz continues.
T=26:00 The journey began at 11 AM yesterday and I'm following up at 1 PM the day after. The blissful feelings continued even as I lay down to sleep at 1 AM (T=14:00 relative to ingestion), I was relaxed and happy and the world was beautiful. I had incredible dreams, best and most "Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds" type of dreaming I've had in at least 25 years. I slept for 14 hours solid, best night's sleep in a long time but please know this before you assume you can get the same results: I got help from 600mg phenibut, 5mg diazepam, 1500mg valerian root, 6mg melatonin and 1000mg l-lysine. These are not exotic amounts for me, however. I usually take almost all of this every night anyway, but I doubled the phenibut.
This morning, after getting up, I felt shaky and if I were a drinker I would have wanted a drink to steady my nerves. I don't know what would cause this, maybe someone on the forum would understand. I felt a desire to take something to help get me back into a mellower trippier space so I took 2mg 5-Meo-MipT and 20mg ethylphenidate, and when those kicked in my alert but chilled-out state of mind returned. I don't want to do 6-APB again too soon. I feel like it was very powerful and very good, that it was the key ingredient in the combo with 4-FA. Having used 4-FA a lot in the past, I know its effects and it was definitely overwhelmed by the yumminess of 6-APB. The reason for not wanting to do 6-APB again in the near future is simple: it's a complete experience that transports you to a different world and it's pretty intense. I need to be able to function, so I have to treat it like I used to treat LSD and peyote: a sacred substance that should not be used too often or too casually. I feel somewhat the same about 5-Meo-MipT but if I take that in tiny doses like today's 2mg then I get nice effects without being impaired.
50mg 6-APB + 40mg 4-FA experience summary
* incredible high, bliss, euphoric, mildly productive; I did some work around the house and wanted to do more but was slightly incapacitated by the intensity of the buzz.
* Virtually no negative side effects other than the ones listed below
* No desire to re-dose 6-APB but did desire more stimulation via the 4-FA.
* Enhanced ability to communicate (I've written this report in real time during the experience and it seems coherent to me, I hope it is to you.)
* Positive feelings about life, people; enhanced appreciation for music and nature
* No come-down issues at all
* No problems with sleep beginning 14 hours after combo was ingested
* Elevated blood pressure, but this may be entirely or mostly due to 4-FA and not the 6-APB
* Sexual interest became aroused by the sight of certain things on the web, but achieving orgasm very difficult
* Although abstract thinking, social, and communicative abilities were enhanced, this was offset by feeling too high to accomplish anything substantial or practical; some scattered attention and yet some obsessive-compulsive behavior such as looking in the same computer folders several times for one particular DJ Dosem house/trance mix --- this was absurd behavior but I couldn't stop looking and obsessing about finding it.
Overall rating: 9/10+ This was maybe the best sustained feeling, with the fewest side effects, that I've ever achieved with chemicals of any type, but it's probably not a good combo for going out on the town. It's too trippy and the body high was all-consuming; it felt ideal to be able to chill out at a friend's house all day. I will do this again but at lower dose and with fewer added herbs and supplements. Hoping to find a more subtle, more functional version of this feeling. I don't think it would be good for performing with either of the bands I'm in. Again, too trippy and spaced out. Might be able to jam with the Grateful Dead, though, during their early psychedelic years. Jerry would have loved this, like waaayyyy too much.
Tech House here again to close this report... I think it's complete enough and I don't need to psychoanalyze Moab again, as I've done in a couple other threads. He did better with this than with other things he has tried and it has been enjoyable to have him hanging around my house today. He seemed very coherent when we talked and his mood was very positive, but he looked like he was in a different world when he was lost in his blissed-out mind.
Just one medical note: I believe this combination to be neurotoxic due to excessive dopamine release and D-receptors being overactive at the same time. Some serotonin toxicity also possible but I'm not as confident about that. I would not recommend trying this in spite of Moab's rave review, but if you do then please, please try in small doses, don't IV 100mg of each substance.
ē Appearance: beige/tan powder, fluffy, slightly clumpy.
ē Smell: Slight TCP smell
ē Taste: Difficult to describe, "chemical", slightly bitter, feels like a dry red wine on the palette
ē Dosage: 100mg in glass water.
ē Route: Orally
ē Duration: main effects 6-8 hours
- 6'0" 175lbs
- Setting: Home, with friend
- Other drugs consumed: 400mg magnesium to try and combat bruxism, copious amounts of nicotine, 1 glass of wine and 1mg etizolam at tail end to sleep
t 0:00 100mgs taken PO in a glass of water, I had eaten a good dinner about 3 hours previous. This stuff is difficult to dissolve, as it tends to clump. Even in 250mls of water, it tastes foul making me gag slightly. Slightly nervous at this point, as is usual for me when trying a new and unknown chemical.
t+ 0:40 Vaguely away of something here. There is a definite pleasant lightness in the stomach, a feeling of being cold and some light tension in the legs and jaw. I can seem to sit still, and flick from one thing to another quick quickly. It may be excitement or the drug itself, hard to discern.
t+ 1:20 The above state continues for around 40mins. By now warm waves, almost "pins and needles" are washing over me, and are especially noticeable in the face and scalp. I am told I have a "dopey" grin on my face and that my pupils are quite dilated. Feeling a strong urge to take at this stage.
t+2:00 The feeling to talk has subsided slightly as the trip starts to gain in intensity, however appreciation of music has gone through the roof. This feels almost stoning, with none of the stimulant push of MDMA. There is a "shimmer" to my vision: Colours are brighter, objects sparkle and there is a kaleidoscope effect around the very periphery of my vision. Euphoria/a sense of contentment is quite strong at this stage. One thing that should be noted is that I feel a strong desire to have something in my hand, and almost feel slightly anxious if my hands are empty. I either have a rollup or glass of water in my hand at all times.
I feel as if I have reached a plateau, but it is hard to tell as the effects come in waves, waxing and waning seemingly randomly. I have a desire to lie down, and turn a digital projector on, playing music videos through it onto a wall. It is captivating, this reminds me almost of 2C-C. I keep getting strong rushes of energy, which manifests as a desire to talk, move, dance. There is a definite, almost alcohol like inebriation, my balance is slightly off
t+4:30 I remained in the above state for 2 hours, finding joy and elation in everything I saw or did Heart rate isn't significantly elevated, maybe by 10-15bpm. I do still feel cold, and jaw clenching is more noticeable, as well as perhaps a more stimulating push now. I dont think I could function in public, my pupils are huge and I look and walk as if I were quite intoxicated
t+6:30 Feeling quite tired by this stage, my stomach is rumbling, but I feel little desire for food. Make myself a whey shake, which goes down easy.
t+7:00 Decide it is time for sleep, however the visual effects are still present along with jaw clenching and a distinct feeling of well being an a desire to get up and move, so take 1mg etizolam, and sip a glass of wine for the next 20mins.
Fall asleep quite suddenly
Slept for approx 7 hours as far as I can tell. No noticeable comedown effects, but there is diarrhoea and a slight pain in the temple area from jaw clenching. This is an experience I would like to repeat again, though If I were to do it in a social situation, I would lower the dose: 100mg is quite stoning and can almost become antisocial purely because I found myself fixating on things, like lights, sounds etc.
I saw Moab this morning and he told me this [bold text formatting added by me for emphasis]:
I've been doing 6-APB in modest doses (40 to 60 mg/day) almost every day, with small amounts of 5-meo-mipt and/or 4-fa on the same days, for 2 months now. The effects are still fantastic. I'm amazed that tolerance has not developed.
The 6-APB has all come from a single source somewhere in the EU (probably manufactured in China) and is a fluffy tan powder. In 2 months I have used only 400mg in spite of taking it regularly. Hmmm, numbers aren't working out right, must be using less than I thought. It is potent in combination with the other substances.
My general experience of 6-APB continues to be very positive. However, it is not a good medication for productivity other than writing, cleaning room, and other self-contained projects that don't require a lot of attention to things that are happening outside oneself. I find it hard to follow conversations, TV shows, and other verbal information. Attention wanders easily, and the physical high (euphoric) can be overwhelming to the point where other things don't seem to matter.
The use of combinations, never having tried 6-APB alone, makes it difficult to report in keeping with the standards of your forum, but the changes in subjective experience are always unique and detectable as the 6-APB takes effect. In other words, regardless of whether I have taken 5-meo-mipt and/or 4-fa and/or ethylphenidate, the 6-APB effect is always obvious and very consistent. It is always blissful and relaxing. It is always easy to fall asleep that same night (with no drugs taken after about 6 PM I can fall asleep between midnight and 2AM), and the feeling lingers to the next day.
Eventually the desire to take something arises again the following day, sometimes in the morning and sometimes in the afternoon. 6-APB doesn't beckon the way most addictive drugs do. The first thing I usually go for is usually "foxy" (5-meo), because it has been serving as a potent anti-depressant and anti-anxiety med without the usual side effects. Then I add something else for fun. Nobody has said anything to me that would indicate they notice. In fact, I've received many comments about how healthy and happy I look and how I seem to be doing better than ever.
And now for my usual editorial comments. I am reporting on Moab's experience for purposes of information only. This is NOT an endorsement of 6-APB use/abuse. The long term effects of Moab's daily use are unknown. I find him to be very peaceful and content but it seems as though he's a bit more detached than usual, he's not easily moved to react to things and this makes me wonder if his emotions might be blunted.
Past substances taken/hated: diphenhydramine 600mg - worst akathisia ever and ruined me for Nytol now for sleep purposes as even 25mg gives me bright flashing lights when I close my eyes, which hurt so bad I have to open my eyes. Not useful when you want to sleep
Past substances taken/ambivalent: ephedrine (see report for comparison)
Cocaine: I was very drunk the first time, and it kept me up so I could drink longer but nothing else, next day
taken sober appeared to do nothing, though I strongly suspect it was rubbish coke.
MDMA/Ecstasy Ė many years ago, in pill form, - tbh it could have been just about anything (probably speed?), didnít get any rolling or euphoria, did nothing but keep me awake for more drinking , and then just kept me awake for 1.5 days feeling hungover and miserable.
09:00 Ė Day starts feeling lousy and disappointed in self for sleeping with the dark man again, but get sad when I think about him leaving and want him to stay. Eat a little sandwich, have some tea, and get the bus with the dark man out to buy some weed. I freak out cos there are two cops outside the shop, and I was just talking with the dark man about sniffer dogs on the tubes because of the Olympics. He decides to go home but I need that bud so I smoke a cigarette, hang about, wait ages it seems, finally they leave and I get my stuff.
14:45 Ė Finally get home and bomb roughly half the sachet right away and wonder if this is going to be another waste of £ like the last two vendors. On reflection, not the best mindset for this substance from everything Iíve been reading about it (obsessively). Still Iím fucking fed up of being anxious and depressed and filled with self-loathing and itís this or drinking, right? Skin up, smoke another mild spliff.
16:30 Ė Iím not feeling anything at all, apart from annoyed at being ripped off again, but start report anyway.
16:45 Ė Feeling a bit giggly and silly
17:00 Ė It feels like my heart is beating faster and louder. Not in a scary way. Feel pleasant and happy, slightly tingly and shaky, like being nervous but if nervousness could be pleasant. Wonder if should redose. Will wait till 7pm.
17:20 Ė Iíve been reading experience reports for some other things that arrived in the post including Ethylphenidate and Etizolam (free sample). I wonder if I should have asked a chum to share the bag with me instead of dosing alone as usual. Iím more used to downers and DXM, solitary kind of drug use, and secret alcoholic alone drinking.
It could be the placebo effect but I definitely feel...different. In a good way. This is more pleasant, less OMG MY HEART is going to burst through my chest, like my ephedrine binge was like. It was so long ago I canít remember the amount in each pill but I fucking necked them for about two weeks till they were gone, despite not even really liking them. Though I sometimes took some Nytol with them and felt stoned.
17:35 Ė Very bad dry mouth, still feeling tingly but pleasant like opposite of akathisia. Tea very tasty. Cigarettes very tasty
18:10 Ė Still feel much the same, Ďeuphoriaí not present. No interesting visual effects which most people report after at least 2 hours. Wonder if should take more, wait a while, or take some of the Ethylphenidate.
10:30 Ė feel excited and energized but not in a speedy way. May all be placebo? I may be feeling lightheaded and a bit giddy because I havenít eaten. Not really hungry tho, the appetite suppression working? Mind zipping along, can hardly open enough tabs. I was going to smoke a spliff but got distracted Short term memory is shitty, but it usually is from being a daily stoner.
19:00 Ė Has it really been four hours? This should be doing more. Keep reading about it, wondering whatís going wrong but that redosing at this stage is inadvisable. Might be a waste to mix the Ethylphenidate as then I canít tell whatís doing what? Havenít smoked very many cigs and still not had the spliff I rolled.
19:15 Ė No pupil dilation, and almost feel like Iím coming down already from what was a non-trip.
19:45 Ė Still unsure whatís up. Have still been buzzy but not at all what I expected. Going to snort a bit. Probably need scales but fuck it, itís probably about 30mg. Iím not very good at insufflation because I donít do it very often and my first attempt, the line is too fat or something, and choke like a bitch. Second one down. Giving it a half an hour before calling it a failure.
20:10 Ė I wonder if itís worth saving this or just taking the rest? And Iíve still not smoked. Just worth mentioning, I never leave a spliff this long.
20:15 Ė I canít call this a dud experience as SOMETHING is clearly physically happening Ė time passing very quickly, bit racy and relatively cheerful but no great euphoria. No appetite at all. Think Iíll be Ďreasonableí for a change and keep the ethylphenidate for another day.
I still am not sure if this isnít all placebo Ė clearly not all vendors are selling snake oil but it seems everyone else had much more fun. Still in two minds about taking the rest Ė it may be a waste and better to try on another day, but it may boost this to an actual drug experience.
This is not an experience report for me as such, but notes on a few other peoples experiences when using way too high doses. In this regard 6-apb seems very different from MDMA, as an overdose of MDMA will just increase the euphoria and rush with occasional psychedelic like effects, but with overdoses of 6-apb psychedelic effects seem to happen every time. My friend told me about someone who double bombed two 150mg capsules, and spent the rest of the night speaking to a tree, and the rest of the night speaking to people who were not there. He was awake for 24 hours and still was not fully back to normal even then, although was very tired. Also someone else did 350mg and went psychotic, seeing people doing things they were not and kept running away from everyone, apparently he said later that everyone looked like aliens. These are second hand accounts but the person who told me has always been reliable in the past.
I've still not dosed above 130mg, that was more than enough for me. Still very strong even at that dose.
Re: 6-APB Drug Info (1-(1-benzofuran-6-yl)propan-2-amine)
Hello everyone, I don't know if this is a good place to post this or to ask about it, please feel free to let me know if I should put it elsewhere. Anyways to start it off I had 1 g of 6-APB just laying around for about a week. So I tried it out 2 days ago (This was my first experience with 6-APB) I started off very slowly I took 30 mg orally waited and waited nothing after an hour, so I took another 50mg orally and still very little a half hour later, I could feel it but it was nothing like other experiences I have read on here. So I laid another 20 mg out and snorted it, and finally it started to hit me. Anyways to make this story a bit shorter, By the end of the second day I had taken the whole gram. The thing is though I would never normally do this but I was wondering did I get a hell of a weak batch or something because the only way I would get the good effects is by redosing and they never seemed to last. I think it was nice but nothing compared to what other people have reported. Also the empathy was not there for me, I had a hell of alot more empathy after doing MDAI. I also never got the clenching jaw most people report, The only really bad side effects I had were headache and sore throat, because that burns the shiz out of your throat when snorted. And today I feel fine maybe just a mild hangover feeling. I wondered could I have gotten a bad batch or are some others experiences overhyped. I wish I could have tested it but I didn't want to shell the money out for some marquis. If anybody else had an experience like this or can give me any info I would much appreciate it. I will say one thing though I got the visual hallucinations quite often I couldn't hardly make out words, But damn I wanted something more, It just seemed to miss the spot, the real kick wasn't there. To me I really think I had a more jolly time on MDAI and from what I read it shouldn't be close. Anyway I just thought I'd throw that out there and hope someone has some insight on the matter.
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