Kratom

[Bajeda]

The last paragraph of the alkaloid section isn't very clear to me. Clarifying statements or appropriate formatting would help it make more sense.


The addiction section has some issues with link text proflieration.


Even more code / link problems here.

[0utrider]

i found the alkaloids somewhere, what do you mean by clarifying?

i dont knwo what you mean by the link problems, for me (firefox) it works fine

[Alfa]

The links in red are links to wiki articles that do not exist yet. Following such links will bring you to a field that creates the new article.

Note that there is no such thing as Bali Kratom. The only thing that Bali kratom means is that it comes from a certain vendor. It is neither a species or subspecies. Nor does Bali say much about quality.

I have locked this article for a few days, until I have time to review / approve the changes.

[0utrider]

no there is no such thing, but they are said (maybe its just a slogan) to be of different origin (region wise) and thus having a different mixture of alkaloids (some stronger/weaker) but i think that should be mentioned (including these vendor/region/mixture changes & informations)
so do you wanna lock/approve all changes made in a wiki post in the future? wiki lives off the fact that people change and go over it themselves, doesnt it?

[Alfa]

Originally Posted by outriderx

no there is no such thing, but they are said (maybe its just a slogan) to be of different origin (region wise) and thus having a different mixture of alkaloids (some stronger/weaker) but i think that should be mentioned (including these vendor/region/mixture changes & informations)

Often it is indeed a slogan. Off course growing conditions of kratom are extremely important, but much 'Thai' kratom is grown in other countries. I do think it is relevant, but it should be laid out that these names are hyped, often interchanged and of lesser relation to what really matters to strength: subspecies (like, Rifat, Craig, Bumblebee, red vein, etc).

Originally Posted by outriderx

so do you wanna lock/approve all changes made in a wiki post in the future? wiki lives off the fact that people change and go over it themselves, doesnt it?

True, but at the same time that is the weakness of wikipedia as well. Wikipedia contains many flaws. Much like an unmoderated forum.

Our wiki articles are not just wikis. They serve as the primary base of information throughout the forum and rest of the site. Every mention in the forum of the drug that the article is about, turns into a hotlink to the wiki article. A direct link to the accurate information about that drug.

Our wiki articles should be of higher quality standards than our forum. They should be authoritative, closer to google's knol than to wikipedia. They should also be referenced, so that any claim made is backed up by proof.

In the future there should be a difference between:

• cooperative articles (anyone can edit)
• single author chapters (anyone can edit chapter, but edits have to be approved)
• single author articles (anyone can edit article, but edits have to be approved)

Currently there is no software functionality yet to make this distinction. But I aim for moderation of new entries other than the main author.

[0utrider]

so, anything new?

[Alfa]

No new advancements have been made with the software. If someone wants to add to this wiki, then feel free to suggest it to me.

[starkey]

to be honest this article has got alot of things completely wrong! loads of missing words for starters.its got the effects of bali and thai mixed up; its thai thats stimulating and bali sedating not vice versa! and indo and malaysian strains have been missed out. even though indo is the most common type.

sounds to me like whoever wrote it hasnt got a clue about kratom first hand and they just copied alot of misinformation off wkipedia. like the bit about most people using tea? lol very few users make kratom tea because its so inefficient, they just eat the plant matter which is MORE effective not less.

im reallly dissappointed that one of the most accessible and trusted information sources could have got it so wrong and left it inaccurate for years.

surely it would have been better to not bother, than try and make an article about something that they dont know anything about?

[JfromM]

The skin darkening is basically an urban legend. To my knowledge, nobody in the states has ever experienced this.

[Space Numpty]

Originally Posted by JfromM

The skin darkening is basically an urban legend. To my knowledge, nobody in the states has ever experienced this.

Its not an urban legend. It is well known and documented. However, this "phenomina"is only common in countries of origin and to people who are in the baking sun all day, working the fields (who are traditonally kratom users).

So it seems now most studies are concluding that its simply related to the fact these people are out in the sun all day.

Makes sense i guess, but it still doesnt explain all aspects this condition as the skin darkening can often be on the skin like patches, especally on the cheeks. This could be down to the fact the most kratom users in the country of origin use fresh leaves made into a quid and tucked into the side of the mouth. Sounds logical.

[NeuroChi]

Please discuss specifics about Kratom in the kratom forum, in threads. Wiki discussions should be kept to the topic of the wiki article, what needs to be changed/fixed.

[trdofbeingtrd]

Can we please take out the "20grams or sometimes more" for the dosage?

Most people taking 10grams with no opiate tolerance are going to get sick to their stomach throwing up, and some might freak out and then this plant gets negative attention.

From what I understand, presently vendors online are selling good kratom and it dosen't need to be enhanced or anything for people to take 2 to 5 grams with no opiate tolerance to enjoy it.

[NeuroChi]

Originally Posted by trdofbeingtrd

Can we please take out the "20grams or sometimes more" for the dosage?

Where does it say that?

[trdofbeingtrd]

Less potent commercial Kratom might require doses of 20 grams to achieve effects, sometimes even more

5th sentence in beginning paragraph of "doses".

[Alfa]

I have changed it to:

Some low quality kratom does need more than 10 grams for a dose. In rare cases, extremely low quality kratom can have a dose of 20 grams or more. Such doses mostly come with nausea. A cause for low quality can be that Kratom loses potency over time.

[baked-cake]

from my expereience, i have this to say:

my skin does noty darken but my faces blushed red all over to some minor degree, that is obvisou to me.

I started with this stuff called potent indo, about 3.5 grams a dose. now i do about an ounce and a half each day of this potent indo + (i have done some testing and it is stronger)

when i go more than +5 hours without it i get sick like i did with heroin, the number one is teh fever/sweats and total insomnia.

when i go that long and take a dose it feels like heroin.

randomly it will make me vomit all the pills i just swallowed back up, thats always a bummerr......and if i am tired already it doesnt make me high and "up" it makes me more tired and nodding off.


oh yeah....AND IT TASTSE LIEK SHIT LOL i get pill caps and pack in those guys double 00