Cold Water Extractraction

[powerpenguin]

Can someone provide a link that explains this process? Swim has some codeine paracetamol tablets. Also what is the maximum dosage of paracetamol in one dose?

[Mike177]

<center>Cold water extraction</font></center>

The purpose of this experiment is to extract an opiate/opioid substance from combination tablets.

The cold water method presented below relies on fact that opiates are generally very soluble in cold water, while paracetamol, aspirin, and ibuprofen are only very slightly soluble.

Note: Pseudoephedrine and caffeine are relatively soluble in water, and will be present in the final product.

Don't use dispersible tablets because it's very hard to extract secondary substances from them.

Coffee filtersEquipment needed:

* Minimum two glasses or cups
* Paper filters (unbleached coffee filters will do)
* Measure glass

The term secondary substance refers to paracetamol, aspirin or ibuprofen.

Procedure:</font>

1. Crush thoroughly the tablets and carefully dissolve in cold (ca 20° C) water. Use approximately 2ml of water per 1 tablet, eg 100ml of water for 50 tablets. You may add more water if you can't dissolve the tablets easily. If you want to evaporate the liquid, it's better to use distilled water instead of tap water.

Warning: Boiling and hot water may destroy codeine.</font>

2. Cool the solution down to approximately 5° C (41° F) stirring occasionally. Very low temperatures make the secondary substances even less soluble.

3. Leave the solution in a cool place for about 20 minutes to let the secondary substances settle on the bottom of the container.

4. Wet the filter(s) with very cold water to prevent it from absorbing the solution and put it in the glass. Stick an elastic/rubber band around the container to keep the filter in place.

5. Coffee filterPour the solution through the filter to filter out the secondary substance from codeine.

6. Discard used filters with secondary substance solids left.

Note: Even if you think you have eliminated the secondary substances from the liquid, don't attempt to ingest the product (it is illegal to do so if you don't have appropriate doctor's prescription).

If you want to minimise the amount of secondary substance, you can attempt to evaporate some liquid and repeat the filtering.


<center>Opiate powder</center></font>

To obtain codeine in powder, you need to evaporate the water. At home, you can use at least three different methods:

* You can simply leave the prepared filtered solution in an opened container (eg petri dish) in a cool, dry and dark place for a couple of days.
* Blow on the liquid with a hair dryer.
* Put the liquid in a kitchen oven set to a low temperature.

Note: Codeine is very sensitive to heat; it may lose its potency or decompose when heated. Avoid exposing codeine to temperatures greater than 60°C.

Once the liquid evaporates you can scrap the codeine off. If there was any fillers or binders left with codeine, the powder can stick to the container.

note to mods: this seems to be a question often asked, it may be a good idea to make this thread a sticky one.

[BrandonAA]

does this same process work with hydrocodone and oxycodone?

[Mike177]

Yes.

[Tweaker]

by adding Sodium Carbonate to the extracted Codeine/Water mixture and bringing up the pH level to 11 or greater should basify the codeine. evapping in oven on low temp (heat/light destroys the codeine) once all the water is evapped off you should be left with codeine base!


now should this be able to be smoked?

[Mike177]

Codeine is not smokable in its salt form, but!



"Can I extract freebase codeine from AC&C tablets"</font>

Yes you can. but it may be illegal to do so in your area.

Note: THIS PROCEDURE WILL ONLY WORK WITH AC&C.
This is a mixture of Aspirin with both caffeine and codeine. These
are easily available in Canada and the UK. If it has acetaminophen
in it it will not work.

Last year someone posted the poor mans guide to Codeine
extraction. While this helped save the liver of many users, the
problem was the caffeine remained, and the end product not
smokable. This guide will show people with some chemistry
experience how to make smokeable freebase codeine.

Items needed:
Aspirin with Codeine tablets. 1000 tabs minimum
Funnels and filter paper (preferably a Buchner funnel for fast
filtering.)
Seperatory funnel.
Beakers, Evaporating dishes ETC

Chemicals needed.
5 % phosphoric acid solution.
Chloroform.
Sodium Hydroxide.

Put tablets in a very large glass bowl and add the hot 5%
Phosphoric acid solution. The pills will start to disintegrate
immediately. The reason we are using a 5% phosphoric acid instead
of just water is so the phosphoric acid will supplement the
Phosphate in the Codeine phosphate, and to help to increase
extraction. The reason we are using hot water is to get the most
codeine into the water quickly. Most of the aspirin will
precipitate as soon as the mixture is cooled.

When all the pills have dissolved, stir well, cool your mixture to
just above freezing. Filter the mixture. When the water has
drained, take the solids and put it back in the glass bowl. Filter
the solids three times to ensure that all codeine had been removed
from the mixture. Discard the remaining paste, as this is mostly
aspirin, and the codeine is in the water. Note that this step can
be done in an hour or two with a Buchner or vacuum filter. It can
take days with gravity filtration.

You now probably have a large volume of dirty looking water that
you must evaporate down to a manageable volume of say 100 to 150
millilitres. Remember that codeine is sensitive to light and heat.
Codeine sublimates (turns into a gas) at moderate temperature and
light is known to break it down. This means that care is needed
when evaporating the water down.

What you have now is a mixture of codeine, caffeine, some residual
aspirin and phosphoric acid in about 100-150 ml solution Now comes
the fun part.

The next step is to get rid of the caffeine. 1 gram of caffeine
will dissolve in 5.5 ml of chloroform, but it takes 4.5 Litres of
chloroform to dissolve 1 gram of codeine phosphate.

Extraction #1 (caffeine)
Put your mixture in a seperatory funnel. Wash three times with 20
ml chloroform. Making sure to shake and vent thoroughly between
each wash. Remember that chloroform is heavier than water and it
will be the bottom layer. After the three
washes you should be left with 60 ml chloroform that has all the
caffeine from you mixture. This chloroform can be discarded or
kept if you can recover the chloroform.

You now have to make the remaining solution in the seperatory
funnel basic with the addition of NaOH. Bringing it up to 11
should do the trick. As you add the NaOH you will quickly start to
see pure codeine freebase start to precipitate out of the solution
as white crystals.

Do this right in the seperatory funnel, and please remember to
shake and vent the funnel thoroughly as many times as it takes
till there is no more reaction. Don't be too alarmed if the funnel
get extremely hot due to the chemical reaction, but it may be wise
to slow the rate at which you are adding the NaOH in this case.

Remember how above I told you that it took four and a half Litres
to dissolve 1 gram of codeine phosphate? Now you have pure codeine
freebase floating around the solution in the seperatory funnel ,
and 1 gram of codeine freebase dissolves in 0.5 ml chloroform.
This is 9000 times more soluble than before we added the NaOH.
With the adjusted PH any residual aspirin is not soluble in
chloroform.

Extraction # 2 (codeine)
Do three 10 to 20 Ml washes with chloroform (remember chloroform
is the bottom layer)
And evaporate in an evaporation dish. The chloroform will quickly
evaporate and you are left with codeine freebase the bottom of the
dish.

Yield: Approx 7 grams codeine freebase per 1000 pills (with 8mg
C/P per pill)

Notes:

1. This is not cost effective for anything less than 1000 pills,
3000 -5000 preferred.

2. Several washes of the paste will increase yield. You can tell
by the colour of the water when you have all the goodies.

3. Remember that chloroform is a proven carcinogen; so be thorough
in your work. Make sure evaporation is complete.

4. DCM can likely be used as a chloroform replacement.

5. Remember that this process will not work with acetaminophen,
Tylenol 1,2,3,4 ETC.
It will only work with AC&C. (Aspirin, caffeine and codeine)

6. Wear gloves and glasses when dealing with chemicals. Lab safety
procedures do apply to you.

7. Sodium hydroxide can burn your dick off.

8. Smoking codeine freebase can be extremely addictive.

[Tweaker]

^^^^ the only reason u cant use that method for codeine/paracetamol pills is because NaOH doesnt go well with paracetamol... and NaOH is ur basing agent..but if u replace it with Sodium Carbonate another basing agent u can bring the pH up high enough to basify the codeine...


Tweaker's Cold Water Extraction & Freebase Method


1. Crush up codeine/paracetamol pills up nice and fine.


2. add 2ml's of warm water per pill used (10 pills = 20ml) *duh*


3. place in the fridge, stir every so often.


4. once the mixture is cold (dont need to a accurate) just make sure it's nice and COLD! paracetamol has now become even less soluble in the water solution.


5. after about 20 to 30 minutes it's time to filter, pour your codeine/para solution thru aPRE-WET coffee filter (so the filter doesnt absorb some of your 'C', this is important.


6. you should now have a solution that contains your 'C', with no noticable solids in your solution! if so re-filter it.


7. now it's time to base your 'C', this is done by simply adding Sodium Carbonate (Washing Soda, pH Up) to the solution


8. slowly add SC to the solution till the pH level of the solution to 11 or greater, u can check the pH with a pH pen or strips but this isnt needed, once the pH is high enough you will see the 'C' base come out of the solution, this is your 'Codeine Freebase'.


9. it's now time to evaporate off the water and leave behind the codeine base, this can be done 3 ways..the slow way in a dark wardrobe (dark, as we all know light is 'C's enemy!), with a hairdryer, or the best way in an oven on a LOW heat, to much heat will also destroy your base! plus it's dark in the oven! (best to do this in a glass pyrex pan) just be careful when evapping you dont wanna destory it after all this hardwork!


10. you now have almost pure codeine base (depending how careful u were on your extraction)


11. get out somealuminiumfoil and place your base on there and get out your lighter and a straw and smoke your base and enjoy! Your now "Chasing the Dragon" so to speak!


*TIP* Use distilled water, it evaps quicker!


*** I know i've repeated a lot of things already said but hey! Give it a go, see how it goes for you! Please feel free to give advice or add anything to this method. ***


TweakeR...

[Beltane]

Say one did a cold water extraction on 40 5/500's. It seems to me
that at this point one would have a _liquid_ containing 200mg of the
good stuff. Is it necessary to turn this into a powder, or
could/should/would one use it in this liquid form, i.e. put 25% of the
liquid (50mg good stuff) into some tea and drink it down? Or
could one shoot it (just asking?)



Actually, why would one do the final step and turn it into a powder?



After an extraction, are there any other benefits besides just _not_
having the APAP? Are there methods of use that this extraction
makes possible that are more enjoyable?



Thanks-



- B

[Mike177]

If you are going to use the product right when you’re done with the extraction, there is no reason to make it a powder. You can just drink the water if you want (BITTER!!!). The powder step allows safer administration intranasal or intravenously as you don't have to snort/shoot 2 grams of acetaminophen (if you were looking for a 20mg dose) along with it.

Tweaker: I like the simplicity of your freebase method. SWIM may try this soon.


Edited by: Mike177

[Beltane]

Can you cook into base any opiate you extract, say the stuff from
5/500's? If so, how is the effect likely to vary from just eating
them?



I've heard not to IV pills, tho there are exceptions. Are you
saying one could IV the stuff extracted from 5/500's and if so, how
much would you start with? What would you mix with- distilled
water? Any need to heat it? Anyone done this? What's
it like?



Thanks-



- B

[Tweaker]

it's not very safe to inject codeineIV, if your going to inject it it has to be IM or SC


i find just drinking your codeine solution is the best way, as your body doesnt have to break the codeine down as it's already in the solution, it tastes like shit but just take a swig of apple juice (or drink of choice) after you swig down your codeine solution. I have IV'd it but didnt seem to feel it, plus it's not safe it can cause fluid on your lungs or something like that, keep safe!





Tweaker...

[als5555]

if you have a water filter like a britta laying around it doesn't hurt to run the water through it about ten minutes after adding the pills to the water. this will get more of the acetominophin out. if you don't have one then coffe filters are fine to use. but for those who want to keep their livers healthier, and you do opiate extractions a lot, then in the long run this could make a difference.

[Beltane]

Could you continue to use the britta water filter for regular water when you weren't doing extractions?



And bottom line: how much are people losing doing this? I know
it's worth it to lose some in order to lose most of the APAP. Say
you do a batch of 50 5/500's, in a perfect world you'd end up with
250mg of hydrocodone powder, no?



Now how much would you really expect to get out of this?



Thanks-



- B

[paulywould]

Did you say you can cold water extract ephedrine from pure ephedrine tabs. All the other posts talked about opiates, I just wanted to make sure I read that one right.


Paulywould

[Beltane]

Has anyone used this method to make hydrocodone freebase? And if so, can anyone comment on the effects of smoking it?



Thanks-



- B

[Shagmelon]

Swim just tried this today with 13 5/500s, He drank the solution, did seem to lose some of the good, but much healthier alt to taking 6 1/2 grams of tylenol. He soaked the crushed pills for about 40 mins, then used a coffee filter for to filter, that was taking too long to drip so he ended up squeezing the rest out through it. Used about 50mls of water. Anyway it worked out alright, swim thinks not all the hydro was absorbed into the water, but eh. Swim barely ever takes opiates but still needs to take 15 5/500 to get a desired high, which I guess is extremely dangerous. In the future swim would do this with 20 pills, or 10 if he would go through the trouble of converting it to a powder.

[0utrider]

check my link in my signature for further information on doing CWE's