Setting - No sitter, but still safe?

[eldesaparecido]

Hi,
SWIM lives on his own and have no drug-minded friends who can be sitters.
SWIM has done two or three small tokes of Salvia, enjoyed the experience, although not a full-blown trip to Salvia land.

SWIM has an empty room (no windows, only one door) which SWIM can keep closed, with a matress on the floor where SWIM can lie down. SWIM has no visitors or interruptions.

SWIM accepts the risk of a bad trip, as it lasts only a short time. Only worry SWIM has is physical: can SWIM choke to death, forget to breathe, etc?

SWIM really wants to visit Salvia land 'fully', and has no sitter. How to make it safest?

[Nature Boy]

You won't choke or forget to breathe. Just remember, no matter how intense it may get, that it only lasts a few minutes.

[demon_candy]

SWIM thinks that it should be possible to have a safe Salvia trip without a sitter. She hasn't heard of anyone dying on it for that matter, lol. If SWIY has had experience with Salvia before and knows somewhat of its effects, it should be fine. SWIM has done Salvia solo before, even though the kind she had at the time wasn't very potent.

SWIM agrees that if panic ensues, an individual can remind them-self that it all will be over soon. Even intense Salvia trips (via smoking) only last about a maximum of 10 minutes, maybe slightly more depending on the extract level. SWIM thinks that it may be good to have a phone handy just in case.

SWIM thinks that as long as SWIY is careful, SWIY should be fine.

[Cincinnati Kid]

SWIM personally wouldnt do salvia solo, although hes sure its possible without too much risk depending perhaps on SWIY's enviroment, SWIM's tried Salvia on multiple occasions and is very fond of it however SWIM has had to be stopped from pushing his speakers onto his TV on 60x unaware of his actions.

On a full blown trip to sallys world sensible actions can go out of the window as contact with reality is lost and some people tend to stand up and move around which could result in injury or in SWIMs case possible damage to valuable items.

[port 21]

In swim spersonal experience, its best to have as sitter for the first 2 or 3 trips to calm swiy down. Then, by the 4th trip, swiy will be calm enough to go into the trip level headed and confident.

Swim recomends great care be taken, be sure to be relaxed and sure in the thought that swiy wants to experience salvia.

Then swiy should rip that bong and away you go

[DaveDaPsychonaut]

Don't worry, you can't die from salvia. Nobody has.

[jonathanappleseed]

I've heard from my buddies SWIM and SWIY that they feel like they can't breathe properly when it starts coming on. The smoke IS intense because I know they both say you need to take pretty big hoots. But they agree after they each had several experiences that the feeling of choking/suffocating/forgetting to breathe has more to do with the distorted perception of time that they experience when transitioning to that world and back.

[TheMainException]

Originally Posted by DaveDaPsychonaut

Don't worry, you can't die from salvia. Nobody has.

But it is possible to forget that there is a 'true' reality, freak out and begin running into walls, fall, and possibly get a concussion bad enough to cause death. I'm not saying that it has happened, but it is best to think out such scenarios. If swiy knows how the drug affects him and has a good idea of how he reacts to it, then it can be generalized to higher doses as well.

[trippster]

Swim was wondering about this. He has recently acquired some 20x extract, containing 80mg of salvinorin A. . . .

A friend gifted him a small amount just to try. The thing is, he doesn't have many friends into the drug scene. And he thinks that the one friend that would be with him may fuck around with him while he's on it (maybe not, but maybe).

Swim isn't sure if he'd be better off doing it alone or with his borderline friend...

He realizes this extract is a very potent one as well....and has read about the reverse tolerance attribute of salvia, but doesn't want to become a regular smoker starting with leaves until he "breaks through" (he knows this is the ideal, smartest method)...

He'll admit that he just wants to experience the euphoria, and isn't looking for any enlightenment or spiritual realizations (at this time, anyway.)

He's a daily marijuana smoker as well, and was wondering if smoking a joint prior to would help his mind setting for the trip? He's read that it may diminish the effects of the salvia?

Sorry for the run through of questions. I have had a read through on the various threads concerning this, but is there any specific advice one can give my friend?

Thank you very much

[port 21]

A friend gifted him a small amount just to try. The thing is, he doesn't have many friends into the drug scene. And he thinks that the one friend that would be with him may fuck around with him while he's on it (maybe not, but maybe).

If there is a possible sitter, siwm recommends taking the offer. He may cause a bad trip, but he'll be there if swiy runs into a wall. =P Bare that in mind

He realizes this extract is a very potent one as well....and has read about the reverse tolerance attribute of salvia, but doesn't want to become a regular smoker starting with leaves until he "breaks through" (he knows this is the ideal, smartest method)...

20x isnt particularly potent, although more than enough fora beginner

He'll admit that he just wants to experience the euphoria, and isn't looking for any enlightenment or spiritual realizations (at this time, anyway.)

Swiy cant choose what he wants to experience, it just...happens =P Just be in a pleasant, safe environment, and take one large hit, not small ones, swims found many small ones to produce stronger effects than one big one. But of course, it varies from user to user.

He's a daily marijuana smoker as well, and was wondering if smoking a joint prior to would help his mind setting for the trip? He's read that it may diminish the effects of the salvia?

The thing about salvia, when it comes to physical feeling and hallucinations, swims found whatever he feels, once on salvia its intensified and used as fuel for the trip. Swims had many a pleasant trip bonging some weed, then 10 minutes later, taking a hit of salvia. Swim wouldnt recomend doing it as a first go though, its pretty intense.

Any more questions just shoot

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Thankyou for an informative, educated reply. Very appreciated.

[trippster]

Originally Posted by port 21

If there is a possible sitter, siwm recommends taking the offer. He may cause a bad trip, but he'll be there if swiy runs into a wall. =P Bare that in mind


20x isnt particularly potent, although more than enough fora beginner



Swiy cant choose what he wants to experience, it just...happens =P Just be in a pleasant, safe environment, and take one large hit, not small ones, swims found many small ones to produce stronger effects than one big one. But of course, it varies from user to user.




The thing about salvia, when it comes to physical feeling and hallucinations, swims found whatever he feels, once on salvia its intensified and used as fuel for the trip. Swims had many a pleasant trip bonging some weed, then 10 minutes later, taking a hit of salvia. Swim wouldnt recomend doing it as a first go though, its pretty intense.

Any more questions just shoot

Thank you Swiport 21 for such an informative reply.

Any time he has seen someone do it on a video, people seem to melt into their chair or couch pretty much. And those that stand either stumble around and even fall over.

In which case swim was alone smoking it what would be the probability of walking into a wall? Ha ha this guy would possibly be the guy that lets swim walk into the wall!

I guess that swim saying he doesn't enjoy walking whilst not on the influence doesn't help justify smoking it alone, but is interested to smoke it.

He's thinking he'll just go with the sitter, and try to remain in a positive state of mind. No weed. and hope for the best

Thank you again swiPort for your help!

trippster added 32 Minutes and 2 Seconds later...

Swim will throw another off topic question in here.
How does this stuff smell when burned? Is it a very dominant smell that lasts a while or no very lingering?

Thanks!

[RainbowStorm]

Originally Posted by trippster

Swim was wondering about this. He has recently acquired some 20x extract, containing 80mg of salvinorin A. . . .

A friend gifted him a small amount just to try. The thing is, he doesn't have many friends into the drug scene. And he thinks that the one friend that would be with him may fuck around with him while he's on it (maybe not, but maybe).

Swim isn't sure if he'd be better off doing it alone or with his borderline friend...

He realizes this extract is a very potent one as well....and has read about the reverse tolerance attribute of salvia, but doesn't want to become a regular smoker starting with leaves until he "breaks through" (he knows this is the ideal, smartest method)...

He'll admit that he just wants to experience the euphoria, and isn't looking for any enlightenment or spiritual realizations (at this time, anyway.)

He's a daily marijuana smoker as well, and was wondering if smoking a joint prior to would help his mind setting for the trip? He's read that it may diminish the effects of the salvia?

Sorry for the run through of questions. I have had a read through on the various threads concerning this, but is there any specific advice one can give my friend?

Thank you very much

Trippster SWIM is in exactly the same situation, he has a friend in the scene but unsure whether they would be totally cool about it, or would just sit their laughing which i have read is apparently horrible when SWIY is on salvia, and SWIM dosent want his first time spoilt .

[Fango]

SWIM would imagine that if breathing became irregular on salvia, It would be due the trip, not due to any chemical reaction happening to the body, at worst SWIM would think that you would pass out, then your breathing would return to normally once unconscious. Still, SWIM think that doing any psychadelic without someone to stop you doing something crazy is not a good plan.

A mate of SWIMs stood up on sally at a festival, If we hadn't grabbed him, im pretty sure he would have walked either until he went face first into a tent, or till it wore off. You may be in a room with no windows and one door, but you will stil sub conciously know where that door is, and may try to get out.

[Oxymorphone]

SWIM only tried salvia a few times, and he was always by himself. In fact, he doesn't think he'd want his friends around when he did it, because they would probably call a hospital because I don't think SWIM does anything but get frozen for the most part until the trip ends. SWIM thinks he was relatively safe when doing it, except for his first time. He was skeptical of it's effects anyway, and when he first took a hit he was reaching to turn the fan on to blow the smoke out the window. That's when his memory fails, when he came to, he was covered in the glass of water that was sitting on his dresser, the freezing winter air coming in his window, computer monitor laying on the ground behind the desk and a cut on his leg. He's not really sure what the fuck happened, but it set the foundation for all his other salvia trips until he eventually got rid of the shit. Hah.

SWIM thinks SWIY should be pretty damn safe in his room, and I disagree with having a phone being a good idea. SWIY probably wouldn't want it to ring or as odd as it might be, call someone in a panic and then in 10 minutes realize you made a big mistake.

Sitters are probably the best way, but SWIM never has, and with something like salvia, if SWIY stays away from breakables and sharp things and isn't out on a drive he should be just fine.

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Thanks for mentioning your experience! very helpful

[Raspybass420]

Swim has done quite a big dosage of DMT by hisself and only tried it once before and had a wonderful 10 min. Swim thinks Swiy should be perfectly fine.

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Thanks for the input!

[kerang]

Swim is in the same situation as OP and does Salvia from time to time with different intensity. He never had any problems as he is literally glued to his mattress during the experience.
Even when he returns to reality and realize where and who he is it takes a few minutes before is even possible to sit up in bed. Never the less he made a habit out of locking the door and putting the key in a clever place just in case

Never had any panic attack either. Usually swim have to muster a good bit of courage before he inhale the smoke, but as soon at the effects set in he's calm.

Swim has tremendous respect for the plant and read up on it beforehand and he think the reason some people have traumatic experiences comes from poor preparations.

OP should not be afraid to go at it alone in a safe setting.