Other - diphenhydramine HCl Vs DXM

[will0203]

swim has heard about this being able to cause a "high" to that like what dxm produces. Swim was just wondering if that was true?

And sorry if diphenhydramine HCl isnt a dissociative, but swim couldnt find a better thread to post this on.

[EscapeDummy]

There is a deleriants forum, where you can/should post this on. Also, the diphenhydramine high is nothing like a DXM high; it's much more like atropine/scopolamine/datura, or one of the other deleriants. That means no ego-loss or mystical hallucinations; instaead, you'll get vividly real, "true" hallucinations. That means, you might hallucinate going to your friend Jack's house, then his dad comes home, and your dad all of a sudden shows up a Jack's house, then you all go to Jim's house - it feels completely real, but none of it happened. Many people also say it's scary/frightening.

[demon_candy]

SWIM herself has never taken extensively high doses of Dextromethorphan or Diphenhydramine, to really be able to discern the exact differences between the two. Being as she often uses during times of mental anxiety, she opts for whatever is available to help her relax her mind and facilitate sleep. Although as SWIY EscapeDummy had said, an intense introspection of the experience may lead one to better discern how very different the substances are.

However for SWIM, she has never gone beyond a first or second plateau dose on either, so she has found in her experimentation, that at lower doses, the experience with Diphenhydramine and DXM feels quite similar. The same disconnection from reality and distortion in perception of time occurs for her between the two, and the relaxation of her body and mind helps to facilitate sleep.

She would have to experiment with each separately and at varying doses to know more completely, but when she is experiencing an intense amount of stress, she generally goes for what ever is available, be it DXM or Diphenhydramine, to get the mental serenity she desires.

[PandorymDMT]

Theres a vast difference between DXM, and Diphenhydramine. Heres a typical experience of Diphenhydramine in the dose range of a heavy DXM trip.

Originally Posted by PandorymDMT

******WARNING! COMPARABLE DOSES OF DIPHENHYDRAMINE COULD EASILY CAUSE CARDIAC ARREST, LIVER FAILURE, OR DEATH!********

SWIM was looking through this thread and was pretty shocked at the dosages being used for "sucessful" effects. SWIM had a strong interest in Diphenhydramine a few months back and after looking up information on Erowid (Before SWIM knew about this place) had come to the conclusion that he would really like to try this substance and would rather have a full-blown "trip" then only get a baseline effect.

Dosage: 1050mg Diphenhydramine (which if SWIM surmises correctly is the same dosage as 2100mg of Dimenhydrinate)

Setting: SWIM's Bedroom at around 7:00pm, With SWIM's mother downstairs for at least the first two or three hours of the trip, and SWIM's dad-ish upstairs the entire time (presumably)

Time + 0:00 - SWIM ingests 21 Diphenhydramine pills (625mg)

Time + 0:01 - SWIM really wants to see hallucinations (for some reason he was obsessed with that goal) and begins to vigorously scan the room for about ten minutes and then gets a little bit tired and decides to just lean over his bed and watch the ledge below him for any movement of insects (which SWIM has read is a common thing to see) and only occasionally scans the room for anything out of the ordinary.

Time + 0:20 - SWIM begins to feel things (like spiders) crawl on his legs but doesn't worry because he has read that this was a common phenomenon for this substance.

Time + 0:35 - SWIM begins to notice that the tiny dirt specks on the ledge near his bed are beginning to look suspiciously like ants that were crawling. (as in the dirt specks *grew* three legs on each sides of their *body* and began to crawl)

Time + 0:50 - SWIM finally loses his reserve and decides that those ants are actually walking in place and sets out to prove this. Swim put a static object near one of the *ants* and watched to see if it moved any from the orginal place it was at. It Didn't.

Time + 1:10 - Swim notices that all of the walls in his room (walls only) have a sort of *slime* covering them, so it looks like his walls have like a organic gooey safety glass infront of them.

Time + 1:15 - Swim sees his first *real* hallucination, A spider suddenly darts across his bed and crawl downwards out of sight. This happens a few more times from spiders starting at different locations and ending at different locations. Eventually SWIM tries to catch one of the spiders, while thinking that possibly they are real (because they look, crawl, move, and sound identical to real spiders) eventually a slow moving spider trys to dart across the bed and SWIM catches it in his hands shaped like a cup. When he moves his hands up to see if the spider is still there, nothing is there.

Time + 1:20 - Swim begins to get bored and turns on his PSP and begins to read a couple Erowid trip reports.

Time + 1:25 - Swim notices that when he looks at his legs when he feels something crawling on them (Which the crawling feeling has been happening off and on the entire trip) there are clear transparent spiders (I guess I know where ghosts come from now) crawling where I feel the crawling.

Time + 1:30 - Swim notices that when he shines the light of his psp on a *spider* or tries to touch one of the *spiders* it vanishes.

Time + 1:35 - Swim sees a particularly menicing spider crawl up onto his bed and head straight for him. Swim is a little freaked out / amused and tries to back away from the spider and the spider crawls closer to him. After a few second Swim realizes how stupid that was and just lays back down on his bed reading more Trip reports.

Time + 1:40 - Another spiders crawls up the bed and Swim thinks that he can just touch it to make it go away. Wrong. As soon as Swim's hand gets near the spider (btw these spiders I have been describing as crawling onto the bed and darting are brown spiders, unlike the spiders crawling on my legs which are transparent) the spider transforms into Swim's worst bug, A transparent (like the leg spiders) Millipede which crawls up to Swim's pillow and swiftly vanishes when he shines PSP light on it.

Time + 1:41 - At this point SWIM is rather freaked out so he decides that he should just put the blanket over his head so he cannot see anymore things. Swim does this until...

Time + 3:00 - Swim has not heard or seen anything at this point (Swim hasn't heard any audio hallucinations upto this point from anything other than crawling bugs) and feels like an idiot for hiding under the blankets and thinks that he had pussied out of the trip and that the Diphen. had ended. So Swim brilliantly decided to take another dose equal to the first one to get things going again.

Time + 3:02 - Swim ingests 21 more Diphenhydramine pills (625mg) which brings the total amonut of Diphen. consumed upto 1050mg over the course of three hours.

From this point on time and reality in general gets a little bit hazy and distorted. I will try to remember what I can and when in general it happened, but I might explain things out of order.

Time + 3:30? - Swim looks at himself in the mirror in his room and beings to hear voices of other people talking to him in his head. Swim is like having a conversation with somebody in real-life with the persons real voice mimicing whatever SWIM thinks, and SWIM simoltaneously answers back in his own real voice in his mind. Its rather hard to explain.

Time 4:00? - Swim passes out

Time 4:30?? - Swim comes to and hallucinates his mother opening the door (with realistic sounds) and walking in (looking and sounding realistically like herself) and Swim begins to have a realistic conversation with her either talking to her using his real voice (meaning that other REAL people could of heard him talking to his REAL mother) or telepathically. (like described in Time + 3:30?)

Time 4:35?, 4:40?, 4:45?, 4:50? - Swim has the same thing as 4:30?? happen to him but with different conversations with his mother each time.

Time ?:?? - Swim finally falls asleep and stops coming to in the middle of conversations.

After-notes: Swim forgot to mention that he had horrendous dry-mouth the entire night and felt like he was 50 pounds heavier in each leg, whenever he got up to go to the bathroom (which nothing interested happened despite the fact that most of his bathroom had mirrors in it).

Anyway Swim was extraordinary lucky during this trip that no one caught on to him tripping and thus no hospitalization or drug drama had taken place.

Swim stopped taking Diphen. after this night and still has a half empty bottle of it stored somewhere in his room to this day.

And, here is an experience of a heavy dose of DXM (unfortunately with the use of DXM that contained additives)

Originally Posted by PandorymDMT

SWIM had a interesting experience the other night experimenting with DXM (unfortunately most of it was with Guifansene) and two potentation substances, Tagamet and Grapefruit Juice, along with K2 Smoke Blend: Blonde.

Time - 2:00 = SWIM begins to drink Grapefruit Juice and take three 200mg tagamets.

Time - 1:30 = SWIM is still drinking GFJ.

Time - 0:30 = SWIM takes one more tagamet and finishes up the rest of the bottle of GFJ.

Time + 0:00 = SWIM ingests one bottle of pure DXM (4oz one) which wasnt entirely full, so around 210mg of DXM. SWIM begins to watch a movie he put in earlier (Pitch Black). SWIM notices a slight relaxation and weird-feelling in his head.

Time + 0:30 = SWIM ingests another bottle of dxm (another 4oz, which unfortunately had Guifansene and after supressing his gag-reflex continue to watch Pitch Black.

Time + 1:00 = SWIM notices that in the movie when camera changes scenes that a tracer of the old image remains for around five seconds before slowly fading.

Time + 1:30 = SWIM ingests a large bottle of DXM (an 8oz one, which also unfortunately had Guifansene) and nearly gagged after chugging it all down.

Time + 2:00 = The movie ends and SWIM is feeling some pretty intense euphoria for a while, and then proceeds to smoke a bowl of K2 Blonde Smoking Blend, and gets very high from that and notices that it is synergenic with DXM, as in the effects of the smoking blend and DXM are both felt individually from each other but are both very intense and seem to feed off of each other.

Time + 2:45 = SWIM gets very tired and passes out on the bed, and has very many active dreams...

Time + 6:30 = ...and wakes up in a pool of vomit on his bed, floor, and surrounding the toliet.

Time + 7:00 = SWIM begins to clean up all of the mess and at the same time begins to feel very mental impaired and the voice in his head begins to sound very stupid and slow, also SWIM is robo-walking very intensely now.

Time + 7:30 = SWIM finishes cleaning up the mess and lays down in bed and falls asleep.

Time + 12:00 = SWIM wakes up and has to get ready for an appointment, he is feeling very spacy and out of it, and this continues for most of the day.

So overall SWIM has found that with common opiate potentiation methods, the DXM trip's peak can be significantly pushed out later, than if taking it alone. Next time SWIM does this (which won't be for a while) he is going to ensure the DXM is completely free of additives.

[12oz-mouse]

Uh... no dude heh. DPH and DXM aren't similar at all.

[Abuser]

Originally Posted by will0203

swim has heard about this being able to cause a "high" to that like what dxm produces. Swim was just wondering if that was true?

And sorry if diphenhydramine HCl isnt a dissociative, but swim couldnt find a better thread to post this on.

Swim will give you the facts short and sweet:

A diphenhydramine high is very hard on ones body and you will most likely be scared shitless during your first trip

a good starting dose would be around 700mg swim thinks. Swim dosed 400mg his first time and didnt see shit, but the next day swim ate 700mg and saw the only true hallucinations swim had ever seen, or have seen since.

Diphenhydramine is some real shit man. don't let the fact that its Benadryll fool you, it will kill you if you overdose...

my only other tip is to keep plenty of water on hand, Diphenhydramine will dry you out like you wouldn't believe

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Accurate Information. Short and to the point.

[demon_candy]

SWIM is interested reading about the Diphenhydramine experiences posted above. Again, she has not been experienced taking a high enough dose of either Diphenhydramine or DXM to really discern the intense notable differences.

She does however agree, that while both were able to facilitate the reduction of stress, she found her Diphenhydramine experience to be more unnerving and not quite as pleasant.

She is quite cautious about taking far too much of either substance, as the side effects of taking 2-3 bottles of anything seem quite risky from her research. Perhaps at very low doses a user might be likely to find the two substances alike, as both can cause drowsiness and ataxia (motor impairment). But upon further research, analysis and experimentation, one would be able to discern the characteristics of a Diphenhydramine experience versus a Dextromethorphan one.

She does note however, that the two are often taken in combination together, and is interested in reading more reports on how the two substances effect each other, as opposed to being taken alone.

[poorleno]

Originally Posted by demon_candy

SWIM is interested reading about the Diphenhydramine experiences posted above. Again, she has not been experienced taking a high enough dose of either Diphenhydramine or DXM to really discern the intense notable differences.

She does however agree, that while both were able to facilitate the reduction of stress, she found her Diphenhydramine experience to be more unnerving and not quite as pleasant.

She is quite cautious about taking far too much of either substance, as the side effects of taking 2-3 bottles of anything seem quite risky from her research. Perhaps at very low doses a user might be likely to find the two substances alike, as both can cause drowsiness and ataxia (motor impairment). But upon further research, analysis and experimentation, one would be able to discern the characteristics of a Diphenhydramine experience versus a Dextromethorphan one.

She does note however, that the two are often taken in combination together, and is interested in reading more reports on how the two substances effect each other, as opposed to being taken alone.

Well, one experiencer I know feels that it's quite a dangerous/unpleasant combination, which is strange because it is sold as a combination medicine in some places. This dude took DXM one night in a fairly low recreational dose, then around 200mg of DPH the next morning and experienced enormous dysphoria, racing heart and sweats. The only other occasion this has happened occurred with a DPH and believe it or not high nicotine dose, therefore leading SWIM to ponder if mixing stimulants and deleriants is potentially risky? It's a strange substance, that's for sure. Peace and love, everyone!

[emoduckie]

I find DXM to be more fluid, relaxing, and euphoric compared to diphenhydramine.

Diphenhydramine on the other hand is a mind fuck, dead relatives appearing everywhere, bats, zombies, voices etc. etc.