Dose - Mushroom Tolerance and Enhancing Your High

[Shinigaml]

So I have 2 questions, one that is fairly debatable and another that is straight forward.

1. SWIM took 3 grams on Monday for the first time and got really high. SWIM plans to take 3-4 grams on Saturday in order to receive the same high or higher. SWIM is a fairly small sized person weighing in about 125 pounds (if body size has an effect). SWIM wants to know how much should be taken in order to get the same high or better.

Or should SWIM wait until Sunday or even Monday (exactly 1 week)?

2. How would SWIM enhance the Magic Mushroom high without taking a higher dosage? If SWIM (related to question 1) wants to do 3-4 grams on Saturday and still holds a tolerance from Monday, can SWIM do anything to get a stronger, better high?

[Matthijs85]

Tolerance should be about a week. SWIM doesn't suspect the tolerance to be really huge after 5 days, but is not sure about this.
SWIY could take a MAOI to improve the effect of the mushrooms, but tell SWIY to read about MAOI's before (s)he does them, because caution has to be taken with certain drinks/foods before taking the MAOI, or SWIY could become pretty sick. Taking other drugs before taking a MAOI can even be life threatening.

[RedBaron]

It would be a better idea for swiy to wait the whole week to do them again to get the desired effects. If he does do them on Saturday however, there are several ways that baron has found can potentiate the trip. Smoking weed has been known to increase the effects especially with your visuals and can prolong the peak. Also try drinking or eating something with citric acid in the ingredients. Citric acid has been known to break down the psycilicibin faster and more effectively leading to an even better high. Baron will swear by this as he has done the same batch of mushrooms with lower doses and more citric acid (drinking five-alive the entire time) and been a hell of a lot higher and for longer as well.

Hope this helps!

[Shinigaml]

Originally Posted by RedBaron

It would be a better idea for swiy to wait the whole week to do them again to get the desired effects. If he does do them on Saturday however, there are several ways that baron has found can potentiate the trip. Smoking weed has been known to increase the effects especially with your visuals and can prolong the peak. Also try drinking or eating something with citric acid in the ingredients. Citric acid has been known to break down the psycilicibin faster and more effectively leading to an even better high. Baron will swear by this as he has done the same batch of mushrooms with lower doses and more citric acid (drinking five-alive the entire time) and been a hell of a lot higher and for longer as well.

Hope this helps!

Citric acid includes orange juice? Isn't that supposed to be a myth or something unproven yet? Last time SWIM took down the Mushrooms with orange juice. ?

Shinigaml added 20 Minutes and 7 Seconds later...

And another question. Does being on an empty stomach get you higher?

[Cryptic Concoction]

Originally Posted by RedBaron

It would be a better idea for swiy to wait the whole week to do them again to get the desired effects. If he does do them on Saturday however, there are several ways that baron has found can potentiate the trip. Smoking weed has been known to increase the effects especially with your visuals and can prolong the peak. Also try drinking or eating something with citric acid in the ingredients. Citric acid has been known to break down the psycilicibin faster and more effectively leading to an even better high. Baron will swear by this as he has done the same batch of mushrooms with lower doses and more citric acid (drinking five-alive the entire time) and been a hell of a lot higher and for longer as well.

Hope this helps!

Redbaron, can you substantiate your claim that citric acid can be implemented to potentiate the effects of psilocybin? By what chemical process does citric acid facilitate the conversion of psilocybin to psilocin?

I remain wary of anecdotal reports purporting that citric acid served to potentiate the effects of mushrooms, given that few controls are established in order to isolate the consumption of citric acid as the sole independent variable.

Even if one consumes the same mass of mushrooms in two distinct experiences, the same dose of psilocybin and psilocin may not have been consumed, given that mushrooms can be expected to vary in psilocybin and psilocin concentration by weight, even among members of the same species. Thus, even if equivalent masses of mushrooms are consumed, different doses of psilocybin and psilocin may be administered. Because the dose may not be constant, it is difficult to ascribe amplification of the effects to any one variable.

Moreover, the contingency of the effects of psilocin upon psychological and environmental conditions introduces a wide range of impinging variables that cannot be readily controlled.

Furthermore, it would seem rash to dismiss the potential role of the placebo effect in any such experience.

My intent is not to dismiss the honesty of your assertions; I am skeptical of anecdotal affirmations, in general.

I have been unable to locate any information concerning the precise chemical mechanisms through which the consumption of citric acid may facilitate psilocybin "break down." I hope that you will be able to furnish such information.

I hope you do not feel attacked by my requests.

[cra$h]

the empty stomache would have it kick in faster, and maybe a little harder but could increase nausea. Going with a small snack is what swim does. And as for the citric acid, he has found that this increases visuals, but not sure by how much. When he tried it he took 5g (highest dose swim's done) with an orange, but assumes it definitly helped.

[Samadhi]

Make mushroom tea, there are many different recipies all over this site, search for them.

In swims opinion it is best to wait at least 2 weeks before ingesting another psychedelic after a trip, it helps keep it fresh and maximizes the doses taken because of the lack of tolerance.

but if one wishes to dip back in and harder, a mushroom tea will make the trip harder but shorter.

[cra$h]

swim always thought the tolerance was almost none by day 3-4, or is swim thinkin lsd?

[Smirnoff]

well swim knows someone how has to take about 5g of shrooms to have a real trip because he has built a tolerance... Also reports on erowid shows people taking about 7-10g of shrooms and when swim read the report it didnt look to be a hard trip just looked to be normal trips... so swim would say that yes you can built a tolerance preaty quickly and to eliminate this tolerance swim thinks that you should take a break of about 1-4 months depending on your tolerance to get the effects back again