Drug info - New user wants advice on Kratom

[Little Wing]

Hi I'm new to this site

I have a friend who is considering using Kratom but wants some advice about the substance and its effects. Apart from alcohol he has had no experience with drugs but wants to give it a try.

He doesn't like the look of some of the manufactured 'legal highs' you can buy and doesn't feel ready to try Salvia yet. He bought some Kratom from a shop (Black label, 3g) and wants to ask what the best way for a complete Newcomer to try it - at low doses to start with incase he doesn't like it.

He'd welcome any advice - thanks!

[beizebopp]

Originally Posted by Little Wing

Hi I'm new to this site

I have a friend who is considering using Kratom but wants some advice about the substance and its effects. Apart from alcohol he has had no experience with drugs but wants to give it a try.

He doesn't like the look of some of the manufactured 'legal highs' you can buy and doesn't feel ready to try Salvia yet. He bought some Kratom from a shop (Black label, 3g) and wants to ask what the best way for a complete Newcomer to try it - at low doses to start with incase he doesn't like it.

He'd welcome any advice - thanks!

SWIM would reccomend taking care if using kratom, It can be quite addictive.
Salvia can also be too much for the unexperienced.

Hope all goes well.

[halothanatos]

Amen to that salvia caution. It frightened SWIM shitless. Kratom is nice and easy though. Extract or leaf? 3 grams of leaf probably wont get you much, whereas 3 grams of good extract could rival certain pharmaceutical opiods, in SWIM's experience. Either way you'll be fine. Enjoy the buzz. I know SWIM does.

[Joe_Pinko]

Slappy has read poor reports about Kratom Black Label. Mostly that it isn't that strong, and it's way overpriced.

Slappy would suggest 1/2 gram of Ultra Enhanced Indo on an empty stomach for a kratom newbie.

But Slappy warns that it's important not to use kratom every day, as addiction is sneaky and a real possibility for feline users.

[Little Wing]

Originally Posted by halothanatos

Amen to that salvia caution. It frightened SWIM shitless. Kratom is nice and easy though. Extract or leaf? 3 grams of leaf probably wont get you much, whereas 3 grams of good extract could rival certain pharmaceutical opiods, in SWIM's experience. Either way you'll be fine. Enjoy the buzz. I know SWIM does.

Hi

is extract the same as resin? The shop SWIM bought it from had resin too, but SWIM opted for the leaf/powder.

[halothanatos]

Originally Posted by Little Wing

Hi

is extract the same as resin? The shop SWIM bought it from had resin too, but SWIM opted for the leaf/powder.

As far as I am aware, resin is just a type of extract, but I'm not entirely sure. SWIM has never tried any resin, but he has some on the way.

Quality of kratom leaf/powder and kratom extract/resin varies greatly, even with different batches from the same supplier.

One thing that seems to potentiate the effects quite a bit is plenty of grapefruit juice or grapefruit a while before dosing. Some diphenhydramine helps as well.

[DXMBunny]

swim believes most will agree when he says:

Kratom is so different from each individual that one type may be hated by one by loved by another... so even tho many like kratom they usually do not enjoy the same kind... every strain seems almost different but similar and the main problem is that some strains simply dont seem to work for some and others will... start low 1-3g even lower if swiy gets hands on ultra enhanced indo... warning tho UEI has been known to very easily addict people... the best part about kratom is having to take so much really helps swiys kick off it easier or to not consume so often...

[DXMBunny]

grapefruit juice did not potentiate for swim... only made it take 2x to 3x longer to kick... disappointing... but different for all...

[halothanatos]

Originally Posted by DXMBunny

grapefruit juice did not potentiate for swim... only made it take 2x to 3x longer to kick... disappointing... but different for all...

Interesting. SWIM has done kratom both with and without a few grapefruit beforehand and it always made such a difference that now he won't take kratom without it.

[AceOvArts]

SWIM advises to take half of what SWIY has, wait 40 mins if he feels nothing take the rest.
Some people can react strongly to Kratom (like SWIMs wife) some need a lot more than usual. But SWIY can try this seeing as it is in his possession already. Next time research it a bit further before spending money, SWIY might have just wasted his ca$h. Search Google for specific online suppliers, they result easily. Do not buy prepackaged Kratom (with a nice picture on the label) as suggested this is usually shite. SWIM advises starting lightly with some nice premium Golden Indo read up on dose, go light to start and buy some Ground Ginger in case SWIY feels nauseous as this can help relieve it.

OR

Buy a small amount of UEI (Ultra enhanced Indo) and use 0.5g so as SWIY knows what Kratom will feel like in the future (UEI is very good but be warned that it can become addictive and cost mucho $$$, SWIM knows this from hard experience)
SWIM suggests using plain leaf and staying away from extracts, the same effects can be reached but may take more trial and error than with UEI

[Little Wing]

Originally Posted by AceOvArts

SWIM advises to take half of what SWIY has, wait 40 mins if he feels nothing take the rest.
Some people can react strongly to Kratom (like SWIMs wife) some need a lot more than usual. But SWIY can try this seeing as it is in his possession already. Next time research it a bit further before spending money, SWIY might have just wasted his ca$h. Search Google for specific online suppliers, they result easily. Do not buy prepackaged Kratom (with a nice picture on the label) as suggested this is usually shite. SWIM advises starting lightly with some nice premium Golden Indo read up on dose, go light to start and buy some Ground Ginger in case SWIY feels nauseous as this can help relieve it.

OR

Buy a small amount of UEI (Ultra enhanced Indo) and use 0.5g so as SWIY knows what Kratom will feel like in the future (UEI is very good but be warned that it can become addictive and cost mucho $$$, SWIM knows this from hard experience)
SWIM suggests using plain leaf and staying away from extracts, the same effects can be reached but may take more trial and error than with UEI

Thanks for the advice Ace!

SWIM tried Kratom for the first time last night. It's very bitter so he had to add lots of honey to the tea. He Didn't notice much effect but this may be because SWIM was too cautious and sipped it over a few hours. However, towards the end SWIM felt a bit groggy and nauseous - not very fun. SWIM will take your recommendations and search for sites that sell UEI or anything else that looks reasonable.

[demon_candy]

SWIM has tried Kratom before, 5g of Maeng Da powder consumed in tea, and then another 5g consumed about an hour later. It didn't quite give the effects that she had hoped for as it was slight euphoria mixed with bouts of nausea. She thinks that maybe the second 5g was too much. It did however make her sleep rather well that night.

She has also gotten some Super Green Indo and some UEI, but hasn't tried it yet. Her UEI looks much greener than her other Kratom and is really looking forward to trying it, but hasn't found the right time yet. SWIM likes to be able to devote a whole day to an experience, just in case there are some adverse hangover effects.

SWIM thinks that the ginger is good advice and is thinking about getting some tea for her next Kratom experience.

[AceOvArts]

SWIM just wants to emphasise new users need to work with caution when using UEI.
To know that this is a Kratom extract that is potent. When one has found the correct dose UEI can be VERY pleasant. Just be aware of the dangers when using a substance that can cause addiction, treat the plant with respect.
Less is more !

[_kim_]

My friend is female, 5'2'', and about 115. She has a long relationship with opiates. Friend was looking for something to use between perscription refills. High tolerance due to nothing but oxycodone (short time w/ contin but had to stay away) and tramadol. Never, ever found any relief or pleasure from tramadol - she's not sure why/how it's loved by others.

My friend hasn't had oxy for a couple weeks, but is taking tramadol er (medium dose) daily. Even with a couple weeks on nothing but tramadol, my friend still has high tolerance when oxy arrives.

My friend tried Kratom yesterday 15x extract powder. She was told to only take 2g due to virgin experience. She'd like to deail her experience, but didn't keep could track of time. My friend isn't sure how much to take. She doesn't want to be totally stoned out... but would like an oxy effect with relaxed, happy energy.

Her heart starts beating fast after 45 min (swallowed with tea and also tried chocolate milk). Lasts about 20-30 min.
Then... well.. not sure... my friend doesn't seem to feel anything. Should she take more at that time OR take more at initial dose?

She'd love to know your thoughts since DF seems to be where the cool kids hang out.

[AceOvArts]

kim, thing is with Kratom is that most times for SWIM he wont get any euphoria from Kratom. Occasionally he does but more often than not he wont.
Truthfully, Kratom isnt there really to be equivalent to opiates, it is more used to deal with WDs, it can be used effectively to ween a person off of opiates.
To someone with a tolerance as your friend SWIM wouldnt expect any euphoria but would expect little or no withdrawals from their prescribed opiates.
As stated though, some people react very differently and get euphoria from Kratom, but in SWIMs experience with Kratom over 3 years and speaking with a large user group on the net SWIM thinks that for you Kratom will more likely cause nausea before any great euphoria.

[_kim_]

Thanks for the quick reply. I tend to agree with swiy and will tell my friend the same. For those like my friend... nothing will probably ever match up to the meds received.

My friend also noticed a recent post about poor quallity katrom from the same brand my friend received. She's very unhappy, saying "if its too good to be true... obviously it is!"

I think my friend might look into tramadol suggestions. She'd never found any pleasure from it, but it doesn't hurt to do some research. Sigh.

[AceOvArts]

SWIM would say, it might be worthwhile trying some "good quality" kratom from a herbal vendor that specialises in Kratom, at least then your friend can enjoy it or rule it out.
SWIM can only say that one shouldn't buy pre-packaged Kratom from head shops (even online ones) as they tend to sell poor quality Kratom. Go for freshness, go to a forum that specialises in Kratom and read up.
Good luck to your friend

[_kim_]

Thanks for the advice!
Swiy and swim seem to have a lot in common... found and commented on posts about tramadol.
As long as Kratom is still legal here, the head shops will find a way to mess it up. Friend should have known.

[Little Wing]

SWIM has found an online store that sells powdered Bali and powdered Thai Kratom. Is that the same or similar to Golden Indo?

SWIM won't go for prepackaged any more as the experience was not that great and expensive.

[AceOvArts]

If its Golden Indo it should say so. SWIM is only suggesting that because it works for SWIM. Other people like other strains just as well, SWIY has to try different strains to see which works for SWIY, but Bali is more like Indo than Thai is, Thai is more uplifting and Bali more sedating (Bali is very similar to Indo).

[Little Wing]

SWIM has purchased some crushed leaves. can this be made straight into a tea or does he need to crush it down further?

SWIM will describe the experience tomorrow hopefully

[AceOvArts]

They are perfect for tea as they are !

[Little Wing]

when SWIY infuses them in hot water does SWIY get the full effect? should SWIM ingest the leaves as well? It seems like a bit of a waste just to throw them away.

Little Wing added 48 Minutes and 26 Seconds later...

btw, can SWIM take kratom by just mixing the crushed leaf up with some food -say chocolate to disguise the taste - and then eating it?

[AceOvArts]

SWIY can do all of those things.
When making tea some people make 2 brews from the same leaf.
Up to SWIY, see what works for SWIY and post the results

[Little Wing]

SWIM actually finds the crushed leaf (red vein Borneo) FAR less bitter than the powder and can happily chew it.

He'll try taking a higher dose tonight as has not noticed any real effects so far