Extraction - Question about Heavenly Blue Extraction

[Leftnoob]

SWIM has been reading all about morning glory extraction over the last
couple weeks. He has noticed that peoples opinions on how long the seed
mush must sit in the naphtha /cold water and ethanol varies significantly.

Could this process be done in say, a couple of hours? or 1 day?
Would the trip still be as intense?
Would the unwanted side effects still be negated?

SWIM would like to know the precise minimum amount of time for each
ingredients in both methods of extraction if they can be given =)

Also, a SWIM had a few questions that were just thought of.

SWIM read in the Erowid faq (the update at the bottom) that the cold
water extraction preserves the "instant high" effect. Is this true?

If not is there any other way to attain the effect?

SWIM also wonders if anyone knew anyone with a story about an
experience using reagent grade ingredients as described in the FAQ to
produce effects equal to LSD?

Leftnoob added 201 Minutes and 38 Seconds later...

Also, how does it affect your pupils? Will they be different the next day if you do it at around 10:30 at night?

[coelho]

Originally Posted by Leftnoob

SWIM has been reading all about morning glory extraction over the last couple weeks. He has noticed that peoples opinions on how long the seed mush must sit in the naphtha /cold water and ethanol varies significantly.

Could this process be done in say, a couple of hours? or 1 day?
Would the trip still be as intense?

Well... the process of extraction of the LSA (the active ingredient of the seeds) to a suitable solvent has a decreasing exponential speed. This happens with most substances and solvents.

It means that, lets say, 60% of the available LSA is extracted after 5 minutes, 70% of it is extracted after 1 hour, 80% is extracted after one day, 90% is extracted after a week, etc... (Note: this percentages are arbitrary, and only an example. They are not exact values).

So the differences of the prescribed time are a result of this. If the person writing the recipe thinks extracting, lets say, 60% of the available LSA is enough, then he will write in his recipe that extracting during only 5 minutes is enough. Yet, if he think that he needs to extract at least 80%, he will say that the extraction must last one day, etc...
Which means the longer you extract, more LSA will be extracted to the solution, and stronger the trip may be.

However, extracting for too long may not be useful, as LSA is easily decomposed, and so as longer it sits in solution as greater the probability of it start to decompose. From swims experience, anything longer than one week is too much.

Originally Posted by Leftnoob

Would the unwanted side effects still be negated?

Swim thinks it depends on the method of extraction, as each solvent has its own speed of dissolution of each substance.

Originally Posted by Leftnoob

SWIM also wonders if anyone knew anyone with a story about an experience using reagent grade ingredients as described in the FAQ to produce effects equal to LSD?

Swim did read some threads about a reaction that could supposedly happen between LSA and acetaldehyde, producting LSH, which is said to have effects qualitatively similar to LSD. From the posts it seems there is a lot of controversy about this reaction: some people says it works, some people says it doesnt. There are a couple of threads about LSA / LSH and the peppermint technique for doing this reaction.

[Leftnoob]

Originally Posted by coelho

Well... the process of extraction of the LSA (the active ingredient of the seeds) to a suitable solvent has a decreasing exponential speed. This happens with most substances and solvents.

Is there any way one could find the exact numbers for this? Swim would like to have a good idea how much of a dose of LSA he would get from certain lengths of time spent floating in everlcear and the cold water method as well.

[coelho]

Originally Posted by Leftnoob

Is there any way one could find the exact numbers for this? Swim would like to have a good idea how much of a dose of LSA he would get from certain lengths of time spent floating in everlcear and the cold water method as well.

Swim thinks there isnt a way to find exact numbers because the potency of the seeds themselves varies a lot. Even if swiy extracted, weighted and found the exact % of LSA in a batch of seeds, this number only would be useful for this specific batch of seeds. A different batch would contain a different amount of LSA, and so the exact % found would not be very useful.

[Holyweed]

Originally Posted by Leftnoob

Also, how does it affect your pupils? Will they be different the next day if you do it at around 10:30 at night?

Its a complex system, it occurs basically because it interferes in the person's sympathetic system, which is also the reason of many other side effects such as increased heart rate, blood pressure and sweating.

Holyweed added 3 Minutes and 34 Seconds later...

these will go away as soon as the main effects wear off.

[emoduckie]

SWIM will just run a CWE with a little peppermint oil.
Its much simpler.

[emoduckie]

Has anyone tried running a CWE with the mix sealed?
Swim is wondering if he can close the lid on the jar, or if it needs air.

[coelho]

Swim thinks air would not help anything... in fact, it could even oxidise the LSA... so swim thinks as less air, the better.