Health - The Dangers of Deliriant Psychedelics

[polloloco001]

so i was once on diphenydramine (benadryl) and i was really trippin
out. and im sitting in my parents house on the computer and i swear i
see some people walking past the window outside. and i thought i heard
one of them say "theres somebody in there be quiet". so i wait a minute
and try to decide if its really happening. i decide it might be so i go
out to check it out. i walk out the side of door of my parents house
and look in the backyard. its dark out but i am kind of looking back
there trying to light up a cigarette and i hear somebody say "im
tihnking of jsut kicking his ass right now, what could he do? theres
like 4 of us." i flip out and go inside and start having a terrible
trip. i go upstairs and totally lose myself in my mnd. the next thing i
know my parents are asking me whats wrong with me because i was talkign
to myself quite loudly and went into their room at like 2 in the
morning babbling about how life is like a nightmare. i tried to play it
off like i was talking to a friend, but my friends werent there. my dad
sat me down and talked to me for a couple hours and i kind of came down
after a while and convinced him i had smoked a cigarette that i bummed
and it had probably been laced with pcp. he bought it and i got off
scott free but i still dont know whether those people were real.
diphenhydramine is a strange one. the hallucinations are too real, and
it should only be taken in a really really safe environment.

[Turricaine]

good read. i have not tried drammine past therapeutic levels.


i did have some wacky stuff going on in a certain brand of cough syrup that has an antihistamine mixed into the formulation along with pseudo and dxm.


I am quite fond of the chemical structure of drammine though but dont have any motivation to try any. If yu are reactig badly to it then just dont take it anymore. It is not like it is addictive

[als5555]

dyphenhydramineis some wierd stuffman. how much were you on?the one time i tried25 pills i saw some human like things run by my house, but nothing that freaked meout like that. i did see a friend freak out on it once though. i was sober and walking to his house with him at night. i have no idea how much he wason. he said he saw a car about a mile down the road(we were at the top of a hill so we could see quite a ways) so i looked and said that i saw it too, which i did. he grabs be and throws me into the ditch on the side of the road and jumps on top of me yelling "what if its the cops stay down until they're gone". i figured that it was best not to argue. so the car goes by and we get up and keep walking. a few minutes go by and he does the same thing. only this time i saw no car. i was listening for the car and after a minute i still hear nothing when he gets up saying it went by, but the truth is there was no second car.


from that experience with my friend i can guess that the delusions are pretty real. i knew mine weren't because they didn't look quite real, but i know at least three people who were scared off it for life because of what they saw and heard. sorry u had such a bad trip man.

[Nagognog2]

Diphenhydramineis not Dramamine. Common mistake. It is Benadryl. Also sold as the active ingredient of Sominex. Dramamine is dimenhydrinate. It is in a class of chemicals called anti-cholinergics that are used to treat motion-sickness, whereas diphenhydramine is an anti-histamine used for allergies - and as a sleep aid. A large dose of dramamine, and it's chemical cousins, can cause delirium and hallucinations similar to those caused by Jimson Weed and Belladonna which contain tropine alkaloids such as atropine and scopolamine. Anyone who uses such is well advised to have a sitter watching them to protect them from accidently injuring themselves. The hallucinations are so utterly vivid and real to the person that they will not be able to distinguish reality from what they believe is happening. I have seen people try to reach into a burning fire thinking they were reaching for a pencil on their desk. Extreme caution is advised for anyone that is thinking of trying these compounds.


As regards diphenhydramine, I am not sure of whether it will cause such massive hallucinations. People I know who have taken large amounts usually tend to fall asleep. So maybe you know more about this compounds ability to cause hallucinogenic activity than I. But please be very careful if you intend to use Dramamine, or similar, as a recreational drug. You quite truly won't know your ass from your elbow.Edited by: nagognog2

[hacnslash]

diphenhydramine and dimenhydrinate are almost the same things. basically dimenhydrinate is a diphenhydramine molecule bound to a chloro-theophylline molecule.

http://moldb.nihs.go.jp/jp/gif/Dimenhydrinate.gif

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informative post, perhaps you could give a layman's explanation though

[Softrat]

Delirients are best left alone. If you do try one you will probably not do it more than once in your life. Make sure to have a sitter, and stay inside.


Also you must decide before you go up on such a drug that you will obey your sitter and do what they tell you to. A sitter will do you no good if you run away from them. People under the effects of a delireint can be fast and strong.


Also while people under the influence of delirients do not usually become violent, it is not completely unheard of. If you are an agresive person you should not take these, or any drugs for that matter.Edited by: Softrat

[fastandbulbous]

Personally I wouldn't class anticholinergic deleriants as psychedelics. Pyschedelic means mind manefesting, and these type of drugs don't teach you anything (other than to stay away from anticholinergics(

[MescalinePirate]

Actually I've been taught many things from deleriants.

Personal stuff that no one here will care for

[Ninja Master]

i would call these kinds of drugs true hallucinogens. you
hallucinate something and cant tell if its real or not. where
psychedelics you know that the hallucinations are from the drugs.
not only that but you can tell whats a hallucination and whats
real. i wouldnt play with these drugs as they are
dangerous. diphenhydramine thins your blood out, and one cut can
kill you hemophiliac style. this is in my off limits list rite
above herione.

[BrugmansiaBrujo]

Deleriants are not psychedelics.

And psychedelics do not cause true hallucinations, whereas deleriants like datura do.

This is one of the most enduring topics of confusion and
mis-information in the world of drug takers, as well as in the world of
clueless drug warriors and squares.

To set the record straight, a true hallucination is seeing things,
hearing things, even feeling things that are not there. Many types of
illnesses and psychosis, as well as most all of the deleriant types of
drugs, cause true hallucinations.

Psychedelic drugs like LSD, mescaline, mushrooms, and the like, do not
cause true hallucinations. Part of the confusion arises because
in the past people called this type of drug (and some people now still
do) hallucinogens. In reality these drugs distort and confuse our
senses, and they also allow us to "see" the inner thought processes of
our minds, which can be a very usefull and instructive experience.

Another thing to distinguish the deleriants from the psychedelics is what happens to people on high doses of these drugs.

High doses of deleriants almost always cause amnesia, the person seldom
remembers "the trip", though I would not call what they do to a person
a trip. And the person usually does not learn or gain anything
after using the deleriants, except for possibly (if he is smart)
not to ever use them again.

Whereas a person almost always remembers what happened to them during
the time he was under the influence of the psychedelic drugs. He
remembers his experiences for a very long time indeed, if not for
life. And in many cases, he feels a changed person, and usually
changed for the better.

Deleriants are pretty much useless medically as well, except for some
of them like PCP and ketamine make pretty good tranquilizers for
surgical proceedures. The amnesia is considered a good thing in
that case, as being cut up is a pretty stressful event not worth
remembering.

Many of the psychedelic drugs have shown great promise in the field of
psychoanalysis, and indeed were used sucessfully for this puprose even
in the USA before they were made illegal and deemed to have "no medical
value". Which is political bullshit with no basis in fact.

Government labelled the psychedelics, as well as marijuana
"hallucinogens" as a scare tactic to get the clueless masses behind
their eveil plot to make these wonderful allies illegal. People
are scared of the word "hallucinogen", as it conjures up all sorts of
fears of mental illnesses.

Yet the proof is in the research; psychedelics like LSD and MDMA are
very useful tools for both self introspection, as well as professional
psychoanalysis. And marijuana has proven medical value, and was
even listed in the USP (United States Pharmacopea) as an approved
herbal drug treatment for a variety of ills, right up until the evil
bastards made it illegal for their own greedy political gain.

And yet Government has left almost all of the deleriant drugs and
plants legal, despite proven research that they can and do cause
permanent mental damage, as well as being very easy things to kill
oneself or another person with by means of overdose.


Edited by: BrugmansiaBrujo

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	Good information on Deliriants
	informative
	top post m8 very informative well done!!
	made it clear once and for all

[mikey york]

This is something i wrote recently about my diphenhydramine experience.


y get diphenhydramine usually in sleep aids ( nytol ) and also in travel sickness pills. For some reason the travel pills cost more than the nytols even though they contain the same stuff. I used nytols 2 a night tablets (half strength). I think there was about 16 pills in the box and i munched the whole box, but i staggered the pills over the night, so if you had full strength you would only need half a box, dont take them all at once though try to ease yourself in.

The experience was a balance of good and bad for me, ive read stories about bad physical reactions to diphenhydramine like compulsive shaking and noticable raised heartbeat, but i was lucky and i didnt get much of this, i think i got my doseing spot on which i have erowid to thank for that.

I basically felt sedated at first, and as i was comfortably rooted to the spot id look across my room to see the floor shimmering like it was made of water, very gentle ripples flowed over my carpet and it was all so vivid. Angles go to pot compleatly, right angles seemed sharper and the more i stared at one point ( you will do that alot ) the worse it seemed to get, things it your line of vision sorta dissapear and everything gets turned on its head when you stare. When you refocus everything comes back into play but you soon let yourself drift off again, i had one area of the room i liked looking at and i just stared that way 4 hours.

best thing i saw was when i was lookin at the floor and i could see dark patches on my carpet and from these patches came big bubbles bubbling up from underneath ( just like the classic swamp image ), i could of watched this all night cos it seemed so bizzare.
There were bits on my carpet that seemed to scuttle around like insects when i caught them out of the corner of my eye and i saw a spider run down my leg that im sure wasn't real. It made me jump and i couldnt see it anywhere after that so i guess i was tripping

Thats the basics about the good stuff, and now comes the bad.

i was coming down quite gently and i was thinking that was s**thot.
i got to the point where i felt half normal and i thought id just make some wheatabix and then sleep. I was sortin me milk out when i heard some noise and i thought id left the telly on 2 loud, this noise suddenly built up to a roar in my ears, sounded like a room full of people speaking all at once and very loudly. This scared the crap out of me cos i thought all the effects had more or less worn off, and i wasn't expecting it.Anyway it dissapeared as soon as i freaked out and ran back upstairs leaving my grub behind.

Dealt with that, then started chillin down, abit after that i got the strongest anxious feeling ive ever felt. It wasn't connected with anything i was thinking about it was just there, like a pain in the pit of my stomach. All my joints felt weak and i felt like i had to keep kicking and moving about to try to counter act the anxiety feeling in my stomach. i ended up in some right mad positions in bed trying to get comfortable, this was very unpleasant and is the reason i won't do it again.

The good effects were equally balanced by the bad for me. Which makes me think it was worth trying once, but everyones different and some will like it more that others, beside i think these would really **** u up if u did them alot.

[Alicia]

I can say from what the boy, said to me that his boots came alive and danced up and down for a couple of minutes while swim was under psilocybin cubensis, hefty dose mind. So It cant be said True hallucinations are not caused by other psychedelics. Personally we always believe its down to an individual response to a given substance.

[nanobrain]

^see children, drugs are bad, mk?

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lol..

[blue_eyes]

Its interesting to read about others' experiences. SWIM took travel sickness tablets about 13 years ago. She was new to the drug scene, and had only smoked pot for about 18 months.

A friend convinced her to take 10 pills (a whole box) and the hallucinations are still vivid in SWIM's mind today! SWIM didn't know that she was having hallucinations..... to her, she was experiencing real life actual stuff. Some of it was just normal things people do, but it wasn't actually happeneing, like having conversations with people, then suddenly not knowing where the f**k they went in the milli-second that SWIM looked away. And seeing objects as being something different, for example grabbing a nice cold drink, when it was actually a bottle of sauce, and not even knowing that it was sauce when she started to drink it!

Other weird stuff also happened, like having a panicked episode of something going wrong at work, and trying to fix the problem, but SWIM was actually at home, with her mum and dad looking on in complete and utter shock! As you can imagine, they didn't know what SWIM had taken, so they kept asking her what she took, and SWIM said that she had only smoked a bit of pot, that was all..... (she forgot she took any drugs) and then, after a while, she remebered she took drugs and admitted it. SWIM still remembers her dad saying "I don't know whether to laugh or cry!" (I was so funny to watch, but it was scary for them to see me in that state!). Now, 13 years later, SWIM and her dad still have a laugh remembering that surreal night!

There were quite a few more hallucinations experienced by SWIM in the 2 times that she took a whole packet of travacalms, but they can be used in another story

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	great post about a deleriant experience 13 years ago.
	good report

[bewilderment]

Originally Posted by BrugmansiaBrujo

Deleriants are pretty much useless medically as well, except for some
of them like PCP and ketamine make pretty good tranquilizers for
surgical proceedures. The amnesia is considered a good thing in
that case, as being cut up is a pretty stressful event not worth
remembering.

PCP and ketamine are not deleriants, they are dissociatives and there is a huge difference. Some deleriants are medically useful though as antihistamines and motion sickness medicine.

[Fantasian]

Cyclizine at the current time is a huge drug of interest for SWIM. In high doses it acts as a deliriant. SWIM has posted multiple experiences on this showing it's effects. It seems that how deliriants work in particular cyclizine is unknown. SWIM has a friend who goes to a drug misuse clinic as she abuses cyclizine by crushing up the tablets and injecting them. Although not physically addicting there are people who use them on a regular basis.

UK in their glorious help leaflets include cyclizine as one of the most misused drugs so much to the point it has it's own leaflet along with:
cocaine
Heroin
Hallucinagens
Benzodiazapines
Barbiturates
Ketamine

[gamerndm]

SWIM has done benadryl three times so far, with the biggest dose being about 400mg, but SWIM has never had any sort of halucinations at all. the only effects SWIM had were just a feeling of general highness, mildly impaired motion skills (walking seemed funny somehow), zoning out for up to 40 mins just staring at a wall, although there were no hallcinations, and EXTREME drowziness. When SWIM took the 400 mg, they were only able to stay awake for about 2.5 hours after the first efects, and then went out cold for the rest of the night. SWIM wouldn't consider it a bad trip, but not an especially good one either.

[jaypeddie]

just a funny story, being the moron swim is he was doing a lot of dramamine and benadryl each night just out of boredom. Not a terribly great idea in a college campus, and even worse when the person has a serious documented case of arachnaphobia. anyways, one night swim goes out of his gord and trips some serious balls. he believes a girl comes into his room, sits on his dresser and they talk for awhile about how his classes are going. he becomes unaware of her and chases around a sandal that looks suspiciously like his friend's weiner dog. He wakes up on the floor the next day and gets a good laugh from last night's hysterics. he logs on to his college internet community and see's a message from a girl talking about how much fun she had last night in his dorm room, talking and "stuff". dramamine is one motherfucker of a drug.

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Good report, funny experience

[Akewstick]

just a funny story, being the moron swim is he was doing a lot of dramamine and benadryl each night just out of boredom. Not a terribly great idea in a college campus, and even worse when the person has a serious documented case of arachnaphobia. anyways, one night swim goes out of his gord and trips some serious balls. he believes a girl comes into his room, sits on his dresser and they talk for awhile about how his classes are going. he becomes unaware of her and chases around a sandal that looks suspiciously like his friend's weiner dog. He wakes up on the floor the next day and gets a good laugh from last night's hysterics. he logs on to his college internet community and see's a message from a girl talking about how much fun she had last night in his dorm room, talking and "stuff". dramamine is one motherfucker of a drug.

Hell yes, Stevie boldank knows exactly what you mean. Has SWIJay thought a little bit too much about that "stuff"?

[Nagognog2]

Ah yes. That amusing night when an aquaintence of Bongo arrived to say he wished to take 600mg of Cyclizine.HCl...such a spectacle.

Upon the beginning of effects, the usually shy young 19 year old boy began to talk to his "girlfriend" (he wished), who seemed willing. Oh boy oh boy! It got really tacky...

A full night of watching this now-naked sweating, drooling, twitching, and quite totally delirious kid make passionate love to an empty sleeping-bag that was lying on the floor (better it that anyone else). It required a certain mental reserve to sit through that floor-show.

Yessiree. That was almost as much fun as, when Cylizine-Boy had come down and slept in a pool of moist semen and a soggy sleeping-bag, he awoke. His first words: "Where did she go?"

He was forced to go and dry-clean the sleeping-bag. For some odd reason, none of those present at this remake af "Last Tango In Paris" saw that guy again for quite a long time.

[jaypeddie]

swiake, no idea what you mean (my own fault) but yeah, um, i thought about stuff, probably. too much.

[Akewstick]

swiake, no idea what you mean

Yeah, me neither.

A full night of watching this now-naked sweating, drooling, twitching, and quite totally delirious kid make passionate love to an empty sleeping-bag that was lying on the floor (better it that anyone else). It required a certain mental reserve to sit through that floor-show.

That's an excellent story. SWIM introduced a friend to diphenhydramine, and this friend discovered that 400mg of the stuff, plus 500mg of zoloft was like deleriumX5.

One time SWIM entered the friends room (he had no idea she wasn't going to sober) and heard her saying "what?"...."no, i don't think so" and "speak up, i can't hear you", staring intently at a point on the side of her wardrobe. SWIM asked if everything was ok, to which the response was a scolding for interrupting a conversation. SWIM found that the other participant in this conversation was none other than a life-size poster of Nick Cave.

SWIM waited patiently for the poster to give him his chance to speak, and the conversation carried on for some time, sometimes SWIM would try to butt in, but they must have had a really important topic at hand, because they would be interrupted for nothing. A few times, SWIM's friend had to get closer to the poster and shield her mouth from SWIM, obviously intimate secrets were being shared, not meant for SWIM's ears. SWIM heard his name mentioned a few times and was uncomfortable with being discussed, he wondered what Nick Cave had to say about him.

This went on for a while, and just as SWIM was ready to say "I need to go, call me if you ever sober up" when his friend curled up into a ball and shook, terror in her face. SWIM paniced, and wondered what he should do when his friend squeaked "take it down take it down take it down, he's shouting at me" from inside the ball she'd rolled herself into, and then "STOP IT! shut up!". SWIM took the poster down and folded it with the picture side on the inside.

SWIM's friend has never told him what they said, or what the horrible things he shouted when the conversation turned sour.

Nytol + Zoloft = being abused by your rockstar idols

[jaypeddie]

hahahahaha, that's absolutely absurd, and hilarious. Deleriants lead to the funniest stories out of any drug

[darkglobe]

Haha! Nick Cave! Hahahahaha!



~dark

[mrvideoheadache]

Hi, this is my first post. My friend had a very peculiar trip off dramamine. He had decided to take 12 pills. I of course took none . Anyway, after a few minutes he began to sort of robo trip. After a while outside he ventured into his friend's house and crashed on the bed. Moments pass, and the haulucinations begin to take affect. A small dot on the wall transforms into a spider then morphs into several little spiders. There's a lump of clothing piled atop a chair, that for some reason resembles a person in his mind. So he has a long conversation with it, while everyone else is outide. The next day he drives home when it begins to rain. Only it's not raining at all. From what I understand this deleriant drugs don't give you a very fun trip at all. the haulucinations are not simalar to lsd either. They're more comparable to getting your head banged against a blunt object and seeing stars. They're blurry and usually non specific. From the descriptions all my friends gave their experiences are all the same. However, I would be interested to know if dramamine, or any other deleriant psychedelics are useful in mixing with other drugs.