Drug info - Is there drugs to come off of adderall?

[graffmatic]

swim is prescribed 90mg of addy's a day and lately his heart has been hurting. as much as swim doesnt wanna give up his once beloved addy's swim thinks its best for his health(feel like swim is gonna have a heart attack). my question is can swim take ritalin or focalin or something like that to ease withdrawl? what do most doc's do for withdrawl when your stopping your script? thanks.peace

[BoyzNoize]

There really is no physical withdrawal symptoms from adderall. If swiy were to say to his doc that you were mentally addicted he would say tough shit as most symptoms like irritability fatigue and over sleeping are not life threatening unlike that of withdrawal symptoms of say herowin or an alcohol where another drug would be used to taper the withdrawal symptoms. Replacing adderall with something like ritalin or focalin is just replacing another stimulant with another stimulant and really would mean swiy is not really quitting any thing, especial if swiy is concerned over his heart. In reality swiy should quit stims cold turkey but if need be swiy could try something like caffeine a good vitamin regiment or even exercise to get energy levels back up.. I know its not what swiy wants to hear but if swiy thinks their heart is going to fail over a drug its for the better.

BoyzNoize added 3 Minutes and 37 Seconds later...

And if swiy uses adderall for concentration swiy could check over in the nootropics forum for many other study aids. Swim might also recomend a non stim med like strattera if need be.

[Mista-enigma]

If Swiys heart is hurting ...literally...Swiy should probably go see a Doctor.Swim is currently dependent upon Adderall and has had to endure weeks without it.This is something Swim doesnt like doing,but in instances where Swim goes-tha-Fuck-off on his Script and then subsequently runs out ..... There is nothing that Swim can really do but deal with it.The worst part is the 1st few days where Swim doesnt even want to get out of Bed.Then on top of that Swim Eats like a freakin Animal who hasnt been feed in Ages.All of this pales in comparison to the Self-Suicide of having to go through withdrawls from Opiates.Something wich Swim is very familar with.The difference between the two(to Swim anyway)are Night and day!But on the real Swiy.....go get that heart checked out!

[vantranist]

Originally Posted by BoyzNoize

There really is no physical withdrawal symptoms from adderall. If swiy were to say to his doc that you were mentally addicted he would say tough shit as most symptoms like irritability fatigue and over sleeping are not life threatening unlike that of withdrawal symptoms of say herowin or an alcohol where another drug would be used to taper the withdrawal symptoms. Replacing adderall with something like ritalin or focalin is just replacing another stimulant with another stimulant and really would mean swiy is not really quitting any thing, especial if swiy is concerned over his heart. In reality swiy should quit stims cold turkey but if need be swiy could try something like caffeine a good vitamin regiment or even exercise to get energy levels back up.. I know its not what swiy wants to hear but if swiy thinks their heart is going to fail over a drug its for the better.

BoyzNoize added 3 Minutes and 37 Seconds later...

And if swiy uses adderall for concentration swiy could check over in the nootropics forum for many other study aids. Swim might also recomend a non stim med like strattera if need be.

Correct Me if I am wrong, but isn't fatigue a sign of physical addiction?

SWIM doesn't see how fatigue could ever be counted as psychological withdrawal.

[graffmatic]

thanks for your input everyone. i still need to set up a doctor apointment for my heart though. some days it seems to be fine but others i get heart pains so yeah i gotta stop procrastinating. And I am legally prescibed 90mg ir from a legit psychiatrist , i was surprised he put me on such a high dose to be honest. i try not to take all 3 pills everyday though. but usually i do outta habit. im gonna try and ween myself down. thanks again.peace

[BoyzNoize]

Originally Posted by vantranist

Correct Me if I am wrong, but isn't fatigue a sign of physical addiction?

SWIM doesn't see how fatigue could ever be counted as psychological withdrawal.

"fatigue and over sleeping are not life threatening"

[Trogdor]

Just reduce the amount you take slowly. If your problem is the comedown then ask your doctor for either seroquil or immovane.

[Potter]

90mg prescription? From a real doctor? In the US? Not more then one doctor?

The Doktor had to get permission from their insurance company to go over 30mg to 40mg a day, there's no way they gave out a script for 90mg a day. That's highly irresponsible and well beyond therapeutic dosing protocols. The doctor should have dealt with this issue ages ago. God damn it blows my mind how these doctors fail to deal with addiction.

There's some sort of snake oil going around Ampheta-Restore that was brought up in this thread. Avoid this crap, it's garbage, expensive flim-flam. Claiming you can "fix your damaged adrenals" by eating cow glands... sure and I got so smart by eating the brains of smart people.

Over at my blog I've got a rather complete set of article links on the topic of stimulants as study aids, you should check those out, there's quite a bit of information there.

Oh and jesus christ, heart pains... get to a doctor ASAP! Don't wait for your next appointment, go now. That's serious shit, that needs to be taken care of.

I'm seeing seroquol being suggested a lot for comedowns, I'd like to point out that stuff has it's own set of issues and addiction problems, if used for a few weeks, one thing, but it shouldn't be needed for more then a month or so, same with benzos. Don't replace one addiction with another.

[EscapeDummy]

Originally Posted by Potter

90mg prescription? From a real doctor? In the US? Not more then one doctor?

The Doktor had to get permission from their insurance company to go over 30mg to 40mg a day, there's no way they gave out a script for 90mg a day. That's highly irresponsible and well beyond therapeutic dosing protocols. The doctor should have dealt with this issue ages ago. God damn it blows my mind how these doctors fail to deal with addiction.

There's some sort of snake oil going around Ampheta-Restore that was brought up in this thread. Avoid this crap, it's garbage, expensive flim-flam. Claiming you can "fix your damaged adrenals" by eating cow glands... sure and I got so smart by eating the brains of smart people.

Over at my blog I've got a rather complete set of article links on the topic of stimulants as study aids, you should check those out, there's quite a bit of information there.

Oh and jesus christ, heart pains... get to a doctor ASAP! Don't wait for your next appointment, go now. That's serious shit, that needs to be taken care of.

I'm seeing seroquol being suggested a lot for comedowns, I'd like to point out that stuff has it's own set of issues and addiction problems, if used for a few weeks, one thing, but it shouldn't be needed for more then a month or so, same with benzos. Don't replace one addiction with another.

Swim has to agree with Potter in about everything he just said. 90mgs is an absurdly high dose to be prescribed... most docs would probably hesitate to even go on a 50mg/day regimen... If Swim were you, he'd immediately reduce dosage, but more importantly than that, SEE A DOCTOR! Heart pains, especially ones induced by stimulants, mean you must get help asap!

[BillPartho]

Originally Posted by Potter

90mg prescription? From a real doctor? In the US? Not more then one doctor?

The Doktor had to get permission from their insurance company to go over 30mg to 40mg a day, there's no way they gave out a script for 90mg a day. That's highly irresponsible and well beyond therapeutic dosing protocols. The doctor should have dealt with this issue ages ago. God damn it blows my mind how these doctors fail to deal with addiction.

There's some sort of snake oil going around Ampheta-Restore that was brought up in this thread. Avoid this crap, it's garbage, expensive flim-flam. Claiming you can "fix your damaged adrenals" by eating cow glands... sure and I got so smart by eating the brains of smart people.

Over at my blog I've got a rather complete set of article links on the topic of stimulants as study aids, you should check those out, there's quite a bit of information there.

Oh and jesus christ, heart pains... get to a doctor ASAP! Don't wait for your next appointment, go now. That's serious shit, that needs to be taken care of.

I'm seeing seroquol being suggested a lot for comedowns, I'd like to point out that stuff has it's own set of issues and addiction problems, if used for a few weeks, one thing, but it shouldn't be needed for more then a month or so, same with benzos. Don't replace one addiction with another.

I feel like this is a personal attack on me. You sent me a private, threatening message, that accused me of being a "shim" (whatever that is) and told me to shim my flim-flam somewhere else...simply because I told someone about a product that helped my daughter. Have you tried this product? How can you accuse me of being a "shim" and make claims about a product that you probably haven't even tried. I am a big fan of Titleist golf clubs and have actually written in a few forums for golf beginners about them. Does that make me a shim for Titleist? I was merely giving advice to someone who was dealing with the negative impact of Adderall tolerance. The Ampheta-Restore product helped my daughter take back control of her life from her Adderall addiction. I posted about it because I wanted to discourage people from experimenting with cough syrup, benadryl, and tranquilizers as my daughter did out of desperation. Just because someone is a huge advocate of a product doesn't mean they are on their payroll.

[BoyzNoize]

Originally Posted by BillPartho

I feel like this is a personal attack on me. You sent me a private, threatening message, that accused me of being a "shim" (whatever that is) and told me to shim my flim-flam somewhere else...simply because I told someone about a product that helped my daughter. Have you tried this product? How can you accuse me of being a "shim" and make claims about a product that you probably haven't even tried. I am a big fan of Titleist golf clubs and have actually written in a few forums for golf beginners about them. Does that make me a shim for Titleist? I was merely giving advice to someone who was dealing with the negative impact of Adderall tolerance. The Ampheta-Restore product helped my daughter take back control of her life from her Adderall addiction. I posted about it because I wanted to discourage people from experimenting with cough syrup, benadryl, and tranquilizers as my daughter did out of desperation. Just because someone is a huge advocate of a product doesn't mean they are on their payroll.

Then your daughter just needed a placebo effect because that ampeta restore is nothing more than a few amino acids and some weird adrenal gland that would not do a thing. In reality you could buy some amino acids and get the same effect essentially for less. The pill is a scam swim sees it on infomercials at 4am only on the cable local Spanish speaking channels. In no way does the adrenal ingredient do any thing it would enter your stomach all the proteins would be broken down into amino acids like every thing else and reassembled when needed in the body. Even if it had something like dopamine or norepinephrine in the pill it would be decarboxylated in the liver before it would even get to the brain.

[Hollow Hippie]

UTFSE

[graffmatic]

what was the point of your post shallow hippy? i was thanking everyone for there responses since they gave me answers. the thread was done. but you the asshole you are has to put your 2 cents in. next time just STFU!

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This is flaming and a violation of rules. This question has been asked many times but a newbie might not know that and ...

[Hollow Hippie]

Originally Posted by graffmatic

what was the point of your post shallow hippy? i was thanking everyone for there responses since they gave me answers. the thread was done. but you the asshole you are has to put your 2 cents in. next time just STFU!

Next time UTFSE, sorry but this question regarding amphetamnie has been asked so many times.

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good work, this topic has three active threads besides this one

[Potter]

Oh, if the patient hasn't stopped taking the drug...they should do that. Slipped my mind before...

[Potter]

From the website selling Ampheta-Restore

Ampheta-Restore is the best Adrenal Fatigue/ADD/ADHD/Stimulant Medication recovery aid. The ingredients in Ampheta-Restore are designed to alleviate the entire spectrum of serious complications that go hand in hand with taking stimulant based medications. The unique formula of Ampheta-Restore is designed to rehabilitate the adrenal gland, remove harmful toxins from the body, battle stimulant-associated depression, reverse medication tolerance, and help the body heal and recover. Ampheta-Restore is a true one-stop-shop. There truly is NOTHING like Ampheta-Restore on the market today. Try it for yourself and experience freedom, well being, and the harmony of a health body and brain.

Adrenal fatigue? I went through a number of medical texts, couldn't find even a mention of this, I called an endocrinologist, he didn't know anything either, luckily Teh Internets has everything. From the Mayo Clinic

Adrenal fatigue or hypoadrenia is a putative health disorder in which the adrenal glands are claimed to be exhausted and unable to produce adequate quantities of hormones, primarily cortisol. The term "adrenal fatigue" is a label sometimes applied to a collection of non-specific medically unexplained symptoms, but it is not a medical condition recognized by mainstream institutions. Adrenal dysfunction as identified by such institutions is termed adrenal insufficiency or Addison's Disease.

But accepting a medically unrecognized diagnosis from an unqualified practitioner could be worse. Unproven remedies for so-called "adrenal fatigue" may leave you feeling sicker,

Dr. Andrew Weil says pretty much the same thing.

I strongly advise against taking any supplements that contain adrenal glandular tissue. (In fact, never take any over-the-counter glandular supplements.) At best, they are unnecessary; at worst, dangerous. They can disrupt the body's hormonal balance, which is maintained by a delicate and interconnected set of controls.

The fact is, you can't "wear out" your adrenal glands, they don't loose vitality or stop working, or run out of juice. And no amount of cow gland is going to make them work better.

I did run across one loose reference,here that says gland tissue can stimulate the human glands into making more androgen. Well this certainly would perk a person up a bit, might even reduce their need for adderall. Do you know what else would reduce their need for adderall, caffeine! This product isn't "restoring vital function" it's simply doing the same thing the stimulant is doing, vie a different path.

There is also an issue of standardization that should be brought up. What part of the adrenal gland was used? How was it prepared? What is the exact chemical makeup of the product? In many situations like this, these answers can vary wildly from batch to batch. You have no idea if the contents of one pill are the same as the next. A cow that was frightened to death is going to have a very different set of chemicals in it's glands then one that died in it's sleep. This lack of consistency is one of the reasons western medicine has been slow to adopt herbalism, not because they can't make money off of it, but because they NEED to be able to guarantee every dose is as effective as every other dose. Anyone who has smoked grass from two different plants understands the issues here. Whole plant and animalk products are nearly impossible to standardize and you really have no idea if a batch is going to work or not.

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Good information and correction of misconceptions.

[Kashish]

This is a quick reply to Potter's information about "Ampheta-Restore" being one of the cure for Adrenal Fatigue Syndrome and amphetamine-based-medication. I know this is true to some extent that is a big help to this syndrome. My best friend been going through the same situation for past couple of years and recently she was suggested with this medication "Ampheta-Restore" by her aunt. She purchased it online I think and she has been better ever since. I don't have much information about it but I know that it decreases the dependency and tolerance of stimulants and stimulant based medications and actually detoxifies the body etc. I have seen her improving and it is much better and to what she says, she feels a lot better too. I can ask her more information about it and can post it later.

[BillPartho]

As far as the adrenal tissue goes, a few minutes of research brought me to this: "Adrenal tissue is particularly important in the initial phases of adrenal repair since it provides raw materials to support adrenal function. It also contains some important adrenal hormones. By including Adrenal Tissue it relieves the adrenal glands' burden and allows the following to occur".

[Hollow Hippie]

Originally Posted by BillPartho

As far as the adrenal tissue goes, a few minutes of research brought me to this: "Adrenal tissue is particularly important in the initial phases of adrenal repair since it provides raw materials to support adrenal function. It also contains some important adrenal hormones. By including Adrenal Tissue it relieves the adrenal glands' burden and allows the following to occur".

Isn't this reference from the same product you are trying to prove works? Please stop spamming these bullshit products, it looks no more effective than homeopathy.

[awakened]

As BoyzNoize mentioned earlier, swim would recommend the nootropics, vitamins, and exercise route but a lesser stimulant could be a little healthier than amphetamines. If insurance covers it, IF, swiy might consider armodafinil (Nuvigil). Swim has obtained 60+ of the tablets in free samples from his sleep doc because Cephalon is loading the doctors up with discount cards and samples in hopes people will start taking the stuff. Swim is prescribed 120 10mg dextroamphetamine tabs a month and his heart doesn’t appreciate it! Swim knows the feeling of not being able to function without stimulants! Swim has another post on nuvigil if swiy is courious.

[testodan]

SWIY could also consider bupropion aka Wellburtin.

[Potter]

Since you didn't include a reference link, I'm going to assume that quote is from a the site of a dealer of a gland product. Once again, if these people can't provide peer reviewed back up to their bogus claims, they will remain just that, bogus.

[BillPartho]

Originally Posted by Potter

Since you didn't include a reference link, I'm going to assume that quote is from a the site of a dealer of a gland product. Once again, if these people can't provide peer reviewed back up to their bogus claims, they will remain just that, bogus.

I saw that information from another product addressing adrenal fatigue and stimulant tolerance. I believe it was called Reset.

[jill]

Klonadine is used for withdrawl.

[Bajeda]

Originally Posted by jill

Klonadine is used for withdrawl.

Clonidine is a hypertension medication sometimes used to attenuate certain symptoms of opiate or alcohol withdrawal (tachycardia and hypertension, specifically). I don't see how it would be helpful for coming off amphetamines, and certainly wouldn't recommend using it without the recommendation of a doctor.