CWE - Cold Water Extraction of codeine

[highwaygirl]

SWIM notices that when she squeezes the filter the mixture becomes cloudy. Could SWIM be pushing some of the bad stuff through the filter when she squeezes it?

[Tortoise]

check out the thread entitled "to squeeze or not to squeeze"

[chaostildeath]

Just want to that all of the posters to this thread for sharing their knowledge. I shall report back, share personal experiences, and spread reputation when the time comes.

[chaostildeath]

Originally Posted by chaostildeath

Just want to that all of the posters to this thread for sharing their knowledge. I shall report back, share personal experiences, and spread reputation when the time comes.

I is an acronym for SWIM's dreams of course.

[chaostildeath]

SWIT was wondering on exact amounts used in the process. SWIT has 60+ 7.5 mg hydrocodone w/ 750 mg APAP. SWIT would also like to know if he is supposed to drink the filtered mixture whole essentially taking 1-60 strength of pills at one time. SWIT is looking for clarification. SWIT will most likely be following SWIM's theoretical solution posted earlier.

[Romulusza]

I was wondering if there is a difference between Codeine Phosphate (10mg) and the normal Codeine you guys talk about. Will I be able to use these pills with the CWE?

[highwaygirl]

SWIM wonders if doing the extraction with juice, which usually has lots of water in it, would be as effective in getting all the bad stuff out? SWIM is not fond of the taste and she finds she cannot hide the taste by mixing it with apple juice because she ends up with 4 times as much yucky liquid to drink. It isn't as foul-tasting as the original mixture, but still bad enough that it makes it hard to drink so much of it.

[Tortoise]

Interesting. Swim has never tried this but he imagines that it would work. The taste has never proved to be much of a bother for him though, sure it's not nice but it's almost like a rite of passage, much like the pain of the needle is to a heroin addict. 'No pleasure without pain' kinda thing.

[highwaygirl]

SWIM isn't fond of needles SWIM is also more used to fun drugs like coke and E where taking them is either not a big deal or half the fun of the drug.

SWIM will try the extraction sometime in the next few days and post results!

[chaostildeath]

tortoise, swim would like to know how many pills can be extracted and consequently consumed at one time.

[Tortoise]

Swit believes that it's not the number of pills one uses that counts, rather the amount of cold water that they use. Swit doesn't like the idea of ingesting any more than 80ml of CWExtacted water because any more than that could contain too much paracetamol. Some would be apprehensive about even that much. Swit has found that with this in mind he doesn't like using any more than 40 tablets because it's becaomes too thick and doesn't filter so well.

On the rare occasion that Swit wants more codeine than this, he will also do a CWE on a handful of ibuprofen/codeine tablets. This is a seperate extraction of course.

Swit asks that you please be careful and make sure you don't use too much water and make sure that iit's very cold as you filter it. He says that if there are any visible solids it will need to be refiltered.

peace
T

[Mint boi]

@ Romulusza
Codeine Phosphate is one of the three main codeine salts that codeine is sold as ( the others being sulphate and hydrochloride). The pills swim uses contain codeine phosphate!

[Bikelbees]

I'm not sure why the amount of water is important, it seems as if more water = less waste in the filter etc. Surely if the water is properly cooled then the para will precipitate out no matter how much water?

[Mint boi]

the more water the more paracetamol is diluted. Its not the it is entirely insoluble, just not very, up to 100ml is in theory only going to yield 1.4g of paracetamol in the filtered dilution... but better safe than sorry.

Paracetamol dilutes: 14mg in 1ml at 20 degrees C

[Bikelbees]

Originally Posted by mint boi

the more water the more paracetamol is diluted. Its not the it is entirely insoluble, just not very, up to 100ml is in theory only going to yield 1.4g of paracetamol in the filtered dilution... but better safe than sorry.

Paracetamol dilutes: 14mg in 1ml at 20 degrees C

I got that, but isnt the point that it (para) comes out when chilled?

[Mint boi]

Not all of it, the solubility drops, but not entirely. Again better safe than sorry. 2ml per pill is usually enough to get a good codeine yield anyway

[Milker]

Swim is used to codiene he cwe from co-codomals
Swim's usual dose is 300-350
Swim only had Paramol now "7.46/500 Dihydrocodeine tartate"

Swim likes to be safe before he does anything with new pills and is currently unsure how to go about finding his correct dose with said pills. He has read that they are considered double the strength of codeine which would make Swim think that he could consider one 7.46/500 pill as a rough 15mg of regular codiene, but he isn't 100% sure and doesn't want to rush into anything for the sake of getting his comfort, he atleast has a bit of sense.

He asked me if anyone with Dihydrocodeine tartate had a friend who has dosed on such pills and could help Swim make a correct dosage for his cwe extraction.

Swim has 24 7.46/500 and Swim needs help if possible =(

Swim wasn't able to open a thread for whatever reason but he thought this would be a good a place as any for him to place it as it dose have to do with cwe as well as the dose, swim hopes nobody minds

[Nackrite]

i was hoping someone could make a detailed list of all pills that can be used in a CWE. i would b very pleased with a simple list of OTCs that can be used in CWEs or even a list of codeine containing OTC would be nice. some comparable doses would help as well.

thx for any help u provide

[highwaygirl]

SWIM lives in Canada where you can go to a pharmacy and just ask them for tylenol with codeine. It's technically a generic brand by tylenol is easier to say in SWIM's opinion. They contain 8mg codeine, 15mg caffeine, and 300mg of the bad stuff.

This is the only way SWIM knows of to get codeine. Thankfully it is legal and cheap for SWIM, as she does not condone illegal activity and likes to lead by example

SWIM had heard that a carbon filter, similar to what SWIM used when she worked in a pet store may remove some of the caffeine after a CWE but isn't too sure.

[Ethyl]

it is activacted charcoal to completly remove the caffeine. Its sold at healthstores or pharmacies.

[pankreeas]

Swim would like to add a few things....

First off he decided today to go above his regular # of tablets in his cwe and crushed a total of 70 pills. This in theory is about 560 mg of codeine and a hair over 1 gram of caffeine... He had previously been doing 50 pills due to his readings on Codeine ceiling at 400 mg, anything more is not absorbed... but he decided to test the final result of his cwe since he always had a feeling that no more than 1/2 then codeine is extracted. Well he once again has tasted the long lost euphoria and now wonders if it's the efficiency of the extraction or that the ceiling effect is still not reached.

So the burning question... what's swiy's maximum # of pills extracted (and taken in 1 dose, not extracted for multiple pre-prepared in batches)? and also are there any findings similar to swims?

[pankreeas]

Originally Posted by pankreeas

Swim would like to add a few things....

First off he decided today to go above his regular # of tablets in his cwe and crushed a total of 70 pills. This in theory is about 560 mg of codeine and a hair over 1 gram of caffeine... He had previously been doing 50 pills due to his readings on Codeine ceiling at 400 mg, anything more is not absorbed... but he decided to test the final result of his cwe since he always had a feeling that no more than 1/2 then codeine is extracted. Well he once again has tasted the long lost euphoria and now wonders if it's the efficiency of the extraction or that the ceiling effect is still not reached.

Well it seems that the 7mg/kg ceiling he has read about for codeine is indeed true. He has stopped receiving effects after this point. He will now try some potentiating via dxm and possibly others to see if this has any impact.

*Note that this would be a ridiculously high dosage and could cause some respiratory or other complications if such an aready high tolerance is not present*

[oliv99]

Hey . SWIM was wondering if SWIY know some ways to make the effects of extracted codeine stronger or come up faster . Thanks

[pankreeas]

search the forums for opiate potentiantion for more in depth analysis but this show get swiy headed on the right path.

100mg dxm 2 hours before codeine dose will potentiate it as well as that in conjunction with popping a tums to increase it's rate of absorption. Then theres a plethora of certain back pain relief meds to research.

[oliv99]

only 100 mg of dxm .. ive done up to 750 and have somewhat of a tolerance ... what about grapefruit juice ? i heard bs about it does something that turns it into morphine but never quite got weather it actually increases or decreases its potency