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Old 19-08-2009, 15:14
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1st time 100mg fentanyl patch

so swim got his hands on a 100mg fentanyl patch and is wondering how much to take? swim knows that if the takes the whole thing he could probably die. swims friend told him to cut it into 1/8 or 1/4 and eat it, but swim would like some opinions from you guys on what he should do.
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common man added 17 Minutes and 33 Seconds later...

sorry the correct dosage is 100mcg/hr

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Old 19-08-2009, 19:05
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Re: 1st time 100mg fentanyl patch

Swiy should first let Swimz know a little background on Swiy.Maybe his past usage with Opiates and how much Swiy has used before.Dont know but Swim thinks this might help in determining where SWIyz tolerance is at.Swim has used such a patch before and had know problems.Reason being is that Swimz blood is very used to mad amounts of opiates runnin throug them on the regular.If Swiy has never used heavy amounts of Opiates before Swiy shouldnt be so quick to slap that on.Nah mean?
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Old 19-08-2009, 19:15
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Re: 1st time 100mg fentanyl patch

Sparkles has never used Fent, it's one drug that always scared the fuck outta her. She's heard that people without a fairly high tolerance to opiates can often use too much, it's easy to fuck up.
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Old 19-08-2009, 19:59
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Re: 1st time 100mg fentanyl patch

Swim has used a lot of fentanyl over the last few years. Please treat this drug with the respect it deserves! Is swiy opiate tolerant? Is it a duragesic or gel patch? Swim is presuming duragesic. For an opiate niave person, an eight under the tongue should be sufficent. Please provide further details.
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Re: 1st time 100mg fentanyl patch

swim took just enough! he is usually pretty good about this stuff and has experimented with many different substances. Thank you all for the comments though! its swimmers like you that will keep this world beautiful
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Old 19-08-2009, 20:11
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Re: 1st time 100mg fentanyl patch

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swim took just enough! he is usually pretty good about this stuff and has experimented with many different substances. Thank you all for the comments though! its swimmers like you that will keep this world beautiful
Swim hopes you enjoy, swim really loves fentanyl! Please be careful though.

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Old 20-08-2009, 03:23
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Re: 1st time 100mg fentanyl patch

DO NOT CUT IT! SWIY WILL GET ALL OF THE FENTANYL AT ONCE!! 100 MCG/HR OVER 72 HOURS = 7.2 MG BUT THE 100 MCG PATCHES ACTUALLY CONTAIN 10 MG!!!

Sorry, but that really deserved the capslock. Good to see swiy alive and well, though.

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Old 20-08-2009, 09:24
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Re: 1st time 100mg fentanyl patch

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DO NOT CUT IT! SWIY WILL GET ALL OF THE FENTANYL AT ONCE!! 100 MCG/HR OVER 72 HOURS = 7.2 MG BUT THE 100 MCG PATCHES ACTUALLY CONTAIN 10 MG!!!

Sorry, but that really deserved the capslock. Good to see swiy alive and well, though.
Sparkles gets worried like swiy, people have access to powerful drugs without the awareness to use them. Fent can be fatal if used unwisely, Sparkles has heard. She just hope the other poster is listening to swiy.
Take care.
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Old 20-08-2009, 14:49
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Re: 1st time 100mg fentanyl patch

dont worry swim didnt put the whole patch in his mouth after he cut it, just about a 1/5 of the patch...swim did notice though that both times he was in a car for over ten minutes he threw up. any knowledge on why that may have occured?
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Re: 1st time 100mg fentanyl patch

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DO NOT CUT IT! SWIY WILL GET ALL OF THE FENTANYL AT ONCE!! 100 MCG/HR OVER 72 HOURS = 7.2 MG BUT THE 100 MCG PATCHES ACTUALLY CONTAIN 10 MG!!!

Sorry, but that really deserved the capslock. Good to see swiy alive and well, though.
It depends whether it's a duragesic patch (mylan patch) or the traditional gel-filled patch. The duragesic are more common in Europe. Swim's fat junkie cat tells him that these can safely be cut up & placed under the tongue in an appropriate dose based on opiate tolerance.

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Old 20-08-2009, 23:04
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Re: 1st time 100mg fentanyl patch

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dont worry swim didnt put the whole patch in his mouth after he cut it, just about a 1/5 of the patch...swim did notice though that both times he was in a car for over ten minutes he threw up. any knowledge on why that may have occured?
One of the side effects of opiates is nausea, vomiting especially for people with low or no tolerance. Going up and down hills and just being mobile in a car probably aggravated that effect.
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Old 21-08-2009, 19:43
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Re: 1st time 100mg fentanyl patch

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dont worry swim didnt put the whole patch in his mouth after he cut it, just about a 1/5 of the patch...swim did notice though that both times he was in a car for over ten minutes he threw up. any knowledge on why that may have occured?
Vomiting on fentanyl? Really?

Maybe I should have been even clearer, or used a bigger font along with the capslock. Unless they've come out with some brand-new cuttable patch I haven't heard of, you CANNOT cut ANY transdermal patches without getting all of the medication pouring out at once.

Transdermal patches are not like creams where you just slap the medication on your skin and it gets absorbed. They specifically release a controlled amount per hour through the patch onto your skin. If you cut the patch you completely circumvent this controlled release. It's like swallowing an OxyContin whole versus crushing it up.

10 mg in a whole fentanyl patch, if you or swiy cut it into fifths and take a fifth of the cut patch, that's 2 mg at once. Which is still a whopping amount of fentanyl for anyone who doesn't have super high tolerance.

People die from using fentanyl patches as directed; I just don't want this forum losing members. Only you know your tolerance, so know what you're using and how that compares. And if you're smart, you underestimate your tolerance.
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Old 21-08-2009, 20:16
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Re: 1st time 100mg fentanyl patch

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Vomiting on fentanyl? Really?

Maybe I should have been even clearer, or used a bigger font along with the capslock. Unless they've come out with some brand-new cuttable patch I haven't heard of, you CANNOT cut ANY transdermal patches without getting all of the medication pouring out at once.

Transdermal patches are not like creams where you just slap the medication on your skin and it gets absorbed. They specifically release a controlled amount per hour through the patch onto your skin. If you cut the patch you completely circumvent this controlled release. It's like swallowing an OxyContin whole versus crushing it up.

10 mg in a whole fentanyl patch, if you or swiy cut it into fifths and take a fifth of the cut patch, that's 2 mg at once. Which is still a whopping amount of fentanyl for anyone who doesn't have super high tolerance.

People die from using fentanyl patches as directed; I just don't want this forum losing members. Only you know your tolerance, so know what you're using and how that compares. And if you're smart, you underestimate your tolerance.
Swim's junkie cat tells him that here in the UK, the mylan patch has now replaced the old gel filled patch. Swim's junkie cat tells him that these can be cut up into different sizes as needed without getting all the fentanyl at once, as it's evenly distributed throughout the patch. Swim's cat agrees with you regarding the old gel filled patches. Crazy cat!

edit: There's actually a really good thread here about the mylan patch. Well worth a read for anyone interested, so swim's junkie cat tells him!

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Old 25-08-2009, 05:02
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Re: 1st time 100mg fentanyl patch

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Swim's junkie cat tells him that here in the UK, the mylan patch has now replaced the old gel filled patch. Swim's junkie cat tells him that these can be cut up into different sizes as needed without getting all the fentanyl at once, as it's evenly distributed throughout the patch. Swim's cat agrees with you regarding the old gel filled patches. Crazy cat!

edit: There's actually a really good thread here about the mylan patch. Well worth a read for anyone interested, so swim's junkie cat tells him!
Ah, the things they don't teach you in pharmacy school...what I saw, though, (I didn't read all the threads...) was just that it's easier to get the fentanyl out of the Mylan patches, rather than other brands, but nothing saying they could be cut without all the drug spilling out at once.

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Originally Posted by Int J Drug Policy. 2009 Jan;20(1):90-2. Epub 2008 Jun 3.
the new 'matrix' patch technology implemented for Fentanyl since 2005 is a limited safeguard against abuse as simple extraction methods are utilized by street users.
but that's about it.

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Old 25-08-2009, 20:02
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Re: 1st time 100mg fentanyl patch

Swim's junkie cat doesn't seem to be explaining herself very well! The traditional fentanyl patch had a central resevoir which held the fentanyl gel solution, cutting one of these patches would cause all of the fentanyl gel to leak. The new patch, the mylan patch, doesn't contain a central resevoir. Swim's junkie cat says that they look like nicorette patches, I wouldn't know. Swim's cat tells me that the fentanyl is distributed evenly throughout the patch. Swim's cat tells me that they can be cut without any leakage as there's nothing to leak. Does this make sense?
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Re: 1st time 100mg fentanyl patch

All right, I really don't wanna start anything here and I don't wanna look dumb but I'm confused.. It seems like the dosages in this patch keep changing. 100mg, 100mcg, 10mg? wtf is in this patch, really?
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Re: 1st time 100mg fentanyl patch

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All right, I really don't wanna start anything here and I don't wanna look dumb but I'm confused.. It seems like the dosages in this patch keep changing. 100mg, 100mcg, 10mg? wtf is in this patch, really?
Swim's cat advises that the dosage is measured in micrograms, i.e. millionths of a gram. The patches come in various strengths, from 25mcg p/hr up to 100mcg p/hr. Swim's cat advises that the patches are designed to be worn for up to 3 days, thus if swiy was wearing a 100mcg patch, swiy would receive a total of 7200mcg (or 7.2mg) over the 3 days. Swim's cat hopes this helps.

Edit: there may be stronger patches but swim's cat has never encountered them.
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Re: 1st time 100mg fentanyl patch

SWIM has dispensed 11mcg/hr fentanyl patches at his work. SWIM thinks they have larger too... He could have sworn they have 112mcg/hr strength.
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Re: 1st time 100mg fentanyl patch

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SWIM has dispensed 11mcg/hr fentanyl patches at his work. SWIM thinks they have larger too... He could have sworn they have 112mcg/hr strength.

Swim's cat heard about 150mcg p/h patches but it wasn't from a reliable source, so swim's cat could never be sure if this was true.
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Re: 1st time 100mg fentanyl patch

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Swim's junkie cat doesn't seem to be explaining herself very well! The traditional fentanyl patch had a central resevoir which held the fentanyl gel solution, cutting one of these patches would cause all of the fentanyl gel to leak. The new patch, the mylan patch, doesn't contain a central resevoir. Swim's junkie cat says that they look like nicorette patches, I wouldn't know. Swim's cat tells me that the fentanyl is distributed evenly throughout the patch. Swim's cat tells me that they can be cut without any leakage as there's nothing to leak. Does this make sense?
The gel filled durogesic patches still exist but the anti abuse patches such as matrifen seem to be falling into favour recently.

SWIM used to love durogesic patches, take out the tiniest amount of gel, smoke it on foil and titrate to desired dose. The dosage of fentanyl in the gel was always standardised and the only thing which got larger was the surface area of the patch so if done correctly and titrated properly was pretty safe and nice according to swim.

Still, not one for those with no tolerance. As ever, caution is advised.
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Re: 1st time 100mg fentanyl patch

presuming everyone ignored the other thread cos of this one...my bad!

so it turns out swim has got the non deadly duragesic type which you can lick chew etc to your hearts content without trouble. feel it on the kidneys, nicely monged, no rush, ino a bit of space rock...

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