Other - No more way of getting heroin

[Cheap Paradise]

This may seem like a weird question, but swim is in desperate need of advice. Prior to h, swim had never dealt with any dealers. She knows of a few dealers, but they only sell a few things and none of them have ever fucked around with heroin. She is relatively new to the "drug scene" in general and her boyfriend is the one who has introduced her to all these kinds of things. He doesn't like the fact that she enjoys diesel every once in a while, so he wouldn't pro-actively help her find a new h dealer, but she knows he would be capable of making a few calls in order to at least try to find someone who knows someone. So basically, swim is just wondering how swiy got in touch with their dealer. She's not trying to get any names or numbers, just a few tips on how to go about finding a dealer. Her former dealer is an asshole who lost his connection and disappeared about a week ago. Swim has only done h a few times, so she isn't addicted or anything, but she would still like to find a new connect.

Swim knows that she will be advised to just stop while she still can, and she obviously appreciates the warning from those who are much wiser about the drug than she is, but she is really curious and will not stop until she finds a new way of getting it. Any insight at all would be greatly appreciated.

[chinpokomaster]

I think you may be treading on very thin ice with regards to the forum rules. All SWIM will say is, that certain people in certain run down areas will help you if you help them. I ain't saying anymore though and I'd advise against anything which may see you getting ripped off. Good luck.

[Cheap Paradise]

Thanks for the feedback, guys.

Originally Posted by chinpokomaster

I think you may be treading on very thin ice with regards to the forum rules. All SWIM will say is, that certain people in certain run down areas will help you if you help them. I ain't saying anymore though and I'd advise against anything which may see you getting ripped off. Good luck.

For the sake of clarity, swim isn't asking precisely how to score some, just some tips on how swiy first got into the game. Certainly not asking for any specific or rule-breaking (of the forum) details.

Cheap Paradise added 2 Minutes and 33 Seconds later...

Also, as far as forum rules, I think this question is alright, but if not, then I completely understand if the moderators go ahead and shut it down.

[RoflFries]

Usually SWIY could just go around where the homless people congregate and ask them for their connection seeing as at least one of them must know some sort of heroin dealer. If not just muster up and start asking kids SWIY might know and you never know you might get lucky. Good luck

[helene]

Whenever my rat has been in a new town and unable to score, she's always had success through asking Big Issue vendors. They usually know someone who's got, and are willing to help out if you promise them a sorter.

However, I feel compelled to say - be careful. You're walking a fine line. Don't get addicted. Also, being a young female, don't put yourself into any unnecessarily dangerous situations - there's a lot of people in these circles who will jump at the chance to take advantage and rip you off, or worse. Don't go alone. Use common sense.

Or better still, stay away from it altogether..?

I know, I know, SWIM was told exactly the same thing when she was your age and she didn't listen either. But now SWIM really wishes she had.

H

[paragoric]

"will not stop until she finds a new way of getting it"

that statement right there implies swiy is way deeper into this than even swiy realizes...when swiy finds her new connect, i feel for ya, esp. if you hook up with a boyfriend that deals (which happens alot...eventually), IMMHO...swim thinks everything is in place for a full scale addiction to diesel unless you get out right now...it's your cross road....sounds like you made your choice, but it's never too late...such is the life of an addict, swim sure ain't looking down on ya, been there myself and crossed that road already...welcome to swims boat....pg

[helene]

Also, I meant to say, you'll be amazed how quickly the years go by when you've got a habit. It seems like almost yesterday when SWIM first started using. She really can't fathom out for the life of her where all the time went...

H

[Cheap Paradise]

Originally Posted by paragoric

"will not stop until she finds a new way of getting it"

that statement right there implies swiy is way deeper into this than even swiy realizes...when swiy finds her new connect, i feel for ya, esp. if you hook up with a boyfriend that deals (which happens alot...eventually), IMMHO...swim thinks everything is in place for a full scale addiction to diesel unless you get out right now...it's your cross road....sounds like you made your choice, but it's never too late...such is the life of an addict, swim sure ain't looking down on ya, been there myself and crossed that road already...welcome to swims boat....pg

Swim realizes that she could be a step away from addiction, but the statement swiy quoted shouldn't be used as an indicator, it stemmed from swim's desire to try speedballing. Swim recently tried banging coke (and has banged heroin once before) because she has always wanted to try speedballing, so she wanted to try shooting both separately beforehand. Swim realizes that speedballing may be the straw that breaks the camel's back, but as of now, she can honestly say she isn't addicted. She has done the drug less than 10 times and although she is trying really hard to find a new connect, it would not be the end of the world if she did not find it. Swim is moving by the end of the month for university and she would not even dream of asking for any drug at the place she is going to, especially since she is planning on focusing on school, so she is trying to get all of this out of her system (for the time being)

It's frustrating for swim because she realizes that some of the more experienced users on this forum have probably heard all of this already, but at the end of the day, swim does not go to sleep thinking about how to score or about her next shot or line of heroin and that to her is a good enough sign of where she's at right now. To her, for now at least, it's simply her second favorite drug. Swim knows the habit can quietly sneak up on someone, but she is trying to give it the respect it deserves by spacing out her usage, ensuring she never does too much, and implementing other helpful guidelines. Yes, it's possible to just throw it all away, but that's one of the risks when messing with heroin.

Originally Posted by anonuser30500

It is almost certain your Swiy is already addicted but at the stage were you've not done H enough to admit it to yourself.

For Swim, seeing hundreds end up addicted, the harsh truth about heroin is that it's a drug best left for physical pain relief, prescribed by doctors. Swim sees it as a 'dying drug', it makes all the difference between a real nasty death and one that is humane.

Using it satisfy curiosity is not the full story. Sure, a few might be so drug naive to think heroin is just another drug to try. Heroin is TOO good. The folks Swim knows who took it and never went back, bought it once and used it twice.

You've used it a few times. Bought it a few times.

Stop now and you'll never know what mess you would have landed in. Carry on and you'll end up like some of the users here, most of whom would love to give it up but their love of that drug is stronger than their hate of it. Its a cycle of love and hate. You love the drug, hate yourself afterwards. Repeat for 30 years - and it can go on that long.

Swim knows dozens of girls who gave up their children for heroin. Thankfully the grandparents of the children, in Swims pond, almost always prevent the kids being taken into care. A few kids do go into care, into the foster system and better that than some mum whose habit comes first. This might sound harsh, but if there's methadone in the fridge and moody associates hanging around - its not a good environment for a child.

I mention this not to scaremonger. It is VERY COMMON in the UK. Thousands of kids grow up this way due to heroin.

Most young girls who get addicted to heroin end up on the game. That world might seem a world away from your life right now. Give it two years, and a heroin habit that is too big to fund in legit ways, and many women decide its better to be a victim of crime (prostitution) than to commit crimes. And you would be a victim - passed around like trash by men who predate on the victims of the drug trade - seeing younger heroin addicts as desirable.

Swim hates that aspect of the scene.

Also, the dealers today are a different breed. 25 years ago it was mostly addicts dealing - they still do in a small way but the main dealers are young men, bulked up with steroids, beefed up in the gym and always up for a bit of over the top violence. Some heroin users are nice enough people - flawed like all of us but the dealers are ruthless people and if you overdose and die, they won't even connect themselves to it. They see you as an idiot - easy money and steady money.

If you have money, the will not steal it and will sell whatever they have. Most have two bags - one with the not so cut and other with cut to hell for any stranger passing through or any 'mug' who has been ripped off before and not shown signs of standing up.

You really ought to experiment with something else.

Swim is 99% certain you are an heroin addict waiting to happen.

It would be reckless of Swim to actually even begin to answer your original question of how to score H.

Swim can remember being 18 and seeing one of the pack with his hand held out and a paper wrap of heroin. Swim thinks four people had thrown in £20 for it. Not sure what that would be in weight.

I've made a lot of bad decisions in Swims life, but boy am I glad I never took that original first offer of a 'toot' of smack.

Good luck.

Swim is very thankful for such an eloquently worded and informative reply; however, she would like to reassure swiy that she definitely is not addicted or even close to it. Swim does not have an addictive personality, but she felt she was walking a rather thin line with coke a few weeks back and took a break, so she is pretty sure that she would be able to determine when she has crossed the line that should not be crossed with heroin. In all honesty, swim's problem is not with diesel, coke, or any other drug; her problem lies within the rush she gets out of combining drugs, especially uppers and downers (hence her desire to speedball). She is not the type of person that would lie to herself about being addicted to something, but yes, she does acknowledge that addiction is a very real and serious risk that comes along with heroin, even if it's only done a few times. So while swim does understand the fact that she could become addicted, and there is even a good possibility for it, for the time being, swim can definitely say that she is neither psychologically nor physically addicted to the drug.

Although swim appreciates all the advice, she hopes her inexperience doesn't discourage anyone from answering the original question.

[chillinwill]

Originally Posted by Cheap Paradise

It's frustrating for swim because she realizes that some of the more experienced users on this forum have probably heard all of this already, but at the end of the day, swim does not go to sleep thinking about how to score or about her next shot or line of heroin and that to her is a good enough sign of where she's at right now.

Yes, most addicts think this exact same way before the full scale addiction breaks out as well. Red Rock was doing heroin a few times a month and would never go to sleep thinking about it; however, this was when he was snorting it. As soon as the needle came into play, it was all over. More power to SWIY if they don't break into a full blown habit but Red Rock must say that he would definitely recommend staying away from heroin. The speedball can be one of, if not the most euphoric combinations of all time but the dangers that go with it are enormous.

Red Rock wishes SWIY the best of luck in whatever SWIY chooses and as of now, SWIY might not be dreaming of it, but that could change in a few weeks. Just be aware of all of this and weight the pros and cons before actually getting the heroin.

[missparkles]

Addiction isn't just a physical thing, it's a psychological addiction too. Swiy may not be physically addicted but Sparkles thinks she's definitely psychologically addicted.
Needing to find a bigger and better high, justifying it by saying "it's just about getting it out of my system" before she goes to college. Every person who has replied to swiys topic has tried to point out, with understanding, where it led them. Please just consider what everyone has said?

[anonuser30500]

Originally Posted by Cheap Paradise

Swim has only done h a few times, so she isn't addicted or anything.

It is almost certain your Swiy is already addicted but at the stage were you've not done H enough to admit it to yourself.

For Swim, seeing hundreds end up addicted, the harsh truth about heroin is that it's a drug best left for physical pain relief, prescribed by doctors. Swim sees it as a 'dying drug', it makes all the difference between a real nasty death and one that is humane.

Using it satisfy curiosity is not the full story. Sure, a few might be so drug naive to think heroin is just another drug to try. Heroin is TOO good. The folks Swim knows who took it and never went back, bought it once and used it twice.

You've used it a few times. Bought it a few times.

Stop now and you'll never know what mess you would have landed in. Carry on and you'll end up like some of the users here, most of whom would love to give it up but their love of that drug is stronger than their hate of it. Its a cycle of love and hate. You love the drug, hate yourself afterwards. Repeat for 30 years - and it can go on that long.

Swim knows dozens of girls who gave up their children for heroin. Thankfully the grandparents of the children, in Swims pond, almost always prevent the kids being taken into care. A few kids do go into care, into the foster system and better that than some mum whose habit comes first. This might sound harsh, but if there's methadone in the fridge and moody associates hanging around - its not a good environment for a child.

I mention this not to scaremonger. It is VERY COMMON in the UK. Thousands of kids grow up this way due to heroin.

Most young girls who get addicted to heroin end up on the game. That world might seem a world away from your life right now. Give it two years, and a heroin habit that is too big to fund in legit ways, and many women decide its better to be a victim of crime (prostitution) than to commit crimes. And you would be a victim - passed around like trash by men who predate on the victims of the drug trade - seeing younger heroin addicts as desirable.

Swim hates that aspect of the scene.

Also, the dealers today are a different breed. 25 years ago it was mostly addicts dealing - they still do in a small way but the main dealers are young men, bulked up with steroids, beefed up in the gym and always up for a bit of over the top violence. Some heroin users are nice enough people - flawed like all of us but the dealers are ruthless people and if you overdose and die, they won't even connect themselves to it. They see you as an idiot - easy money and steady money.

If you have money, they will not steal it and will sell whatever they have. Most have two bags - one with the not so cut and other with cut to hell for any stranger passing through or any 'mug' who has been ripped off before and not shown signs of standing up.

You really ought to experiment with something else.

Swim is 99% certain you are an heroin addict waiting to happen.

It would be reckless of Swim to actually even begin to answer your original question of how to score H.

Swim can remember being 18 and seeing one of the pack with his hand held out and a paper wrap of heroin. Swim thinks four people had thrown in £20 for it. Not sure what that would be in weight.

I've made a lot of bad decisions in Swims life, but boy am I glad I never took that original first offer of a 'toot' of smack.

Good luck.

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[Lippmannk1]

Cheap Paradise, swim would suggest getting the hell away from heroin. Try a substitute. Read up on "Poppy pod tea" and use that instead. It will give you the exact same feeling and you can make it yourself so you know that there isn't arsenic in your junk. You can order poppy pods and have them at your door in 2 days. Google "poppy pods" for a vendor, because swim isn't discussing sources here. Less chance of getting the police involved and much safer than heroin. However, poppy tea IS an opiate and CAN kill you just like any other opiate. Not only that, but it can addict you too. Be careful.

[helene]

"By the end of the month" is plenty long enough to get a full blown habit.

My pet rat did almost exactly this, and ended up starting her first term at uni with a raging smack addiction. Needless to say she rinced her student loan, didn't turn up to lectures, and dropped out within the first term.

No-one wanted to be a smackhead, yet a hell of a lot of us are. Why do you think that is? By it's very nature, heroin usage is something nigh on impossible to control. Especially considering you're hitting it up. That's the point that my pet rat lost all control of things, when she switched from smoking to IV.

It creeps up on you.

Be careful.

H

[Lippmannk1]

If swiYOU don't take swim's advice to change to poppy pods and decide to continue on heroin, there is a way out if you get addicted and deeply entrenched in it. It is called Vivitrol. Search it up on this webpage to see my thread on it. For swim and his raging opiate addiction, it was the only way out.



To the rep comment below:

This person might find this information useful if infact the OP does get hooked. I see no reason why you should mark me down for that. Hardly anyone knows what vivitrol is, so SWIM likes to promote it so people know what is out there to help them.

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[MarkyMayhem]

CP, you would do well to heed the advice of the posters above. SWIM started just like you, at just your age, or maybe a little younger too... SWIM, and each and every one of the above - who are trying to share some wisdom and save SWI-CP a world and lifetime of hurt and pain - thought the same things you did.
But it's to good to do 'just once' and not be eventually tortured by thoughts and desire and eventually NEED to do it again.
ESPECIALLY speedballs.... look at how many have died from them... SWIM is going through a speedball addiction/phase right now, while on methadone, for the second time. SWIM was CLEAN for several years. And now look... And before that? 2 years of methadone, with speedballs mixed in. Before that 2 years of addiction, ruined College, etc.

and before that?

BEfore that, SWIM could handle things.
SWIM didn't have an addictive personality, per se...
SWIM got in to shooting coke. What a rush, right?
Then, SWIM was introduced to shooting H, or diesel as a 'come down' from shooting coke all night.
Then came speedballs.
then, fuck the coke...
then..

[dyingtomorrow]

Going to a bad part of town and finding homeless people is always a sure bet to get anything you want. You always have to buy them a bag, but it works in a pinch. SWIM does not officially recommend doing this though...

[piggyinthemiddle]

"Swim does not have an addictive personality, but she felt she was walking a rather thin line with coke a few weeks back and took a break, so she is pretty sure that she would be able to determine when she has crossed the line that should not be crossed with heroin."

Its already too late by the time you determine you have crossed the line with Heroin. It is a very seductive drug with a very distinct psychology. A psychology that sounds just like yours SWICheap Paradise. I truly hope you get this out of your system before Heroin gets into it.