Other - Are nightshades hard to find?

[DaveDaPsychonaut]

SWIM lives in Pennsylvania, how hard would it be to find some wild nightshades growing in the forest, and are they usually at the edges of the woods or deep in the forest?

[ninjaned]

you may be able to find it, but swim doubts you want to... read some of the trips reports on erowid, then ask swiyourself if you want to be delirious for 2 days.

course if your dead set on finding some(and really who is swim to knock swiy, to each his own right?) then yes swiy could prolly find nightshade if he knew how to identify. good luck whatever swiy decide.

~ned the ninja.

[RX420]

horrible substance and plant. swim says there is no need to even try it. maybe heard 1% good reports out of hundreds....

swimmers have gone crazy on this stuff and spent weeks just to get back to normal than they are left with horrible memories of what they went through..

[DaveDaPsychonaut]

SWIM plans on taking a low dose instead of an average one, and SWIM is aware how high the chance of having a bad trip is. SWIM wants to learn about how to make substances like these more enjoyable.

[RX420]

kinda like polishing a turd...haha?? if they were enjoyable a lot more swimmers would be taking the stuff/growing it/searching for it...etc...

but if swim insists...than start very very low and have a sitter just in case something crazy goes on.

[DaveDaPsychonaut]

I believe that there must be some recreational value in nightshades, many people are taking too much or taking them without full knowledge of what's happening in their brains.

[Potter]

Dave: It sounds like you need to do a whole lot more research into the use of drugs as a whole, especially concentrating on traditional use.

Not everything is recreational, that's not a bad thing either. Putting down pets isn't a whole lot of fun, neither is telling someone their love one has died, colonoscopys are hardly shits and giggles, yet all of them have their place in the world.

You are attempting a fools errand, one with a very short path. Other people who have pursued such lines of thinking end up quite mad, useless, or dead. The chemicals involved do strange things to the brain and body, they make you black out, they make you see things that aren't there (in a way that you don't realize there is anything out of the ordinary), they make it difficult to know what is going on from moment to moment, they produce a slew of unpleasent effects on the body.

You know what can also cause hallucinations and disturbed thought patterns? Brain injury, but you never see anyone saying "I'm going to have a whack at it, I'm sure there is recreational value to head trauma." Is this starting to make sense with you?

There's areas of Mexico, where people still cross themselves when in the vicinity of a location these plants are known to grow. Mexico has a history of traditional use of nightshades, they know about these plants, they are scared of them, and rightly so. Sure it's a bit superstitious, but you have to admit there's something to be said about a plant that's scared people for so long.

Go read Dale Pendell's chapter on the tropanes in Pharmako/gnosis, read about Wade Davis's friend in One River, read about how various Indian tribes used them in coming of age ceremonies to erase childhood memories. In Haiti, they turn people into zombis with this shit.

These plants are industrial power tools that break open your mind in a nearly explosive manner, while you're in that state, you can hardly begin to reassemble your self, most of the time you just wander around utterly lost.

As for small doses, well, they have their uses, there's a beer that one can brew that's supposed to be quite interesting and reasonably safe, there has been some recent discussion on their use as a dream enhancer, as an admixture, minuscule amounts can add a dreamy, flying quality to potions, but these are not "recreational" in the traditional sense in the drug culture. They also require advanced knowledge of multiple subjects, brewing, alkaloid chemistry, botany, to name a few, not to mention most preparations are time consuming and require quite a bit of care.

There's a whole world of things that are safer out there to be explored, there's all sorts of unknowns to be explored that should have a much higher safety profile if one wishes to break into novel ground, but you need to understand, that ALL these plants are poisons, the things that get you high, or alter your brain, are on some level poisons, and need to be treated with respect. Even the ones that are non-toxic, they get into you, they change you, they come with a price. There's very few of us that are truly free agents, we all have our debts and contracts.

There's one last thing that concerns me, you ask

to find some wild nightshades growing in the forest

This leads me to believe you haven't a fricken clue what you are getting into. That you don't know the names of the plants that aren't outright deadly, what any of them look like, anything about how they grow, their habit, let alone the effects. If I am right in this, you need to take a MUCH larger step back away from this damned idea before you end up dead. This is serious shit here, dig? There are a lot of plants in this family that will drop you dead like THAT!

You've got all the time in the world, unless your dead, or worse. I'm guessing you're young, possibly too young to be altering your brain chemistry (I'm a conservative old fart, forgive me), the Path of Poisons is fraught with peril, probably more then most other paths, it's always a risky one to walk. Still there's steps you can take to survive, maybe even get somewhere. The very first is to READ! Get a book case and start filling it with books on drugs, and read them all. Make sure you read the ones by those who are still sane, and by those pioneers who discovered new substances. Read science journals, read here, read fiction, keep notes. Take drugs as a profession, not a game. Learn how your body works, learn it's limits, test your self, keep the body well oiled, see a doctor and dentist every year. There's a lot more, but this is running off too long, follow my posts, you'll start to get the idea.

If you have any other questions that don't involve foolish ideas about recreational use of nightshades, feel free to PM me any time or point me out to a new post of yours.

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[stitchpuller]

first post.
i,too, live in PA.
true story.....
my friend saved a woody nightshade (thinking it was deadly) as a cutting at his old apartment. bought a house. planted said nightshade in the summer...attempted to overwinter it in the fall.
it finally died in the basement in late march. right before it could be moved outside again...
he gave up, felt bad, cleaned the dead leaves up, as he has an infant, and is terrified she'll someday accidentally get a frigging microscopic bit of an ancient leaf in her somehow. he decided not to plant that baneful garden after all....

fast forward one year.
walking along the canal, he thought about his small baneful garden he wanted to try...but was glad it never worked out...what with a small child now, and all...so he went home, and wondered if he should preserve the datura seedlings he'd grown in alcohol, as specimens, and perhaps dig the soil around where he planted a brugmansia last summer, and toss it in a river somewhere, so no one can use the perhaps tainted soil.

so, that spring he did some yardwork. pulled up a tree or two, and tended to his other plant guides...his salvias, his pedros, his passionflowers, hell, his pokeweeds, and mulleins , valerians, and his morning glories, and his other obscure alchemical garden friends.

suddenly one day, i got a frantic phone call. he'd put a little kiddie pool up, and realized that he had not only woody nightshades sprouting, but belladonna herself, and another black nightshade. just within reach of the kiddie pool. he said he left a patch of "weeds" grow, to see what would grow up to meet him, and to his abject horror, 3 kinds of nightshades where whispering temptations amidst the plantains, pokeweed, and dandelions run amuck.


long story short. yes.
but my friend and i echo the sentiments of everyone else....
these are almost not plants. they are tricksters, and killers.
they lie in wait, and arrive on your doorstep unannounced.


like my friend, i wanted a 'baneful' garden to add to my entheogenic garden. never, EVER for use, just to know i had one....then i visited my friend. and saw his gardens overrun with all the tropanes. it was like a feverdream. all these plants, with their beautiful trumpet flowers, and little red, and black-purple berries...

my friend was at his wits end a week or two ago. had a pile of the noxious things...he was wearing rubber gloves, and had a facemask on. said he was just going to burn them.
we decided not to do that, in case fumes affected us, or neighbors, so we put them in a few trashbags.
and kinda prayed.

they came back.
he can't get rid of them.










ps. long story short pt. 2

these plants are....well plutonium.
the variables to getting a dose that's non-deadly honestly do change hour to hour, day to day, tide to tide, and moon phase to moon phase.
there is no safe here.
poison path is most appropriate.
death
madness
permanent damage is almost assured.

my friend wished upon a nightshade for a garden, then recanted.
a year later, they came, in spades, and he realized his faustian bargain.

that was a wish only to grow..never injest.

man, when shamans say a plant, or plant family will cause irreperable damage, madness, and death....

don't be a fool.
yes. many species grow in PA.
and, hey, many species of wasps are living under that eve, and over there, in those woods, many, many species of ticks, and wild rabid dogs live, we should play over THERE( cause they are WILD, and POISONOUS)

wild nightshades as recreation?
don't be a fool.