Why we are here. (purpose of life)

[Lost Dog Screaming]

Swim believes that the only reason we are here (especially in the modern times) is to kill time. Waiting for the end. But in the beginning, we were meant to survive and reproduce. But now, surviving is pretty much taken care of, and reproducing, we've already done too much of that.
That's why Swim believes it's okay to take drugs, I mean if anything it would make the end come quicker in most cases. In fact, all of us now-a-days are just here to entertain ourselves and avoid boredom. When we are bored we do stupid things. That's why Swinu (someone you is not us) do drugs in the first place, to not be bored. And so what if it destroys the body? If anything it makes the pain of living go away. It makes everything better, drugs make the world go 'round.
Swim believes everyone should be on drugs, it would make everyone more 'cool' and 'hip'. Even adults, and especially old people.
Though it is true that some drugs are not for some people, that's why Swinu experiments with drugs, to find the right one for you so you can spend the rest of your life entertaining yourself untill the end comes.

[missparkles]

Originally Posted by Lost Dog Screaming

and especially old people.

Looks like I qualify for the drugs then. Fuckin' relief
Why are we here?
To be honest today hasn't been the best day I've ever experienced. In fact if I had to chose to relive this day...or drink gasoline and piss on a bush fire...I'd be guzzling gas right now.
So suffering would go at the top of my "why are we here" list.

[Mona Lisa]

I'd like to think we're hear to learn how to love and to gain wisdom

[Phungushead]

Maybe there is one all encompassing purpose to life, maybe it is all a huge
coincidence that we are all here. But either way, if there is a "divine
power" or "driving force" behind the universe, it is quite obvious that they
do not want to reveal the answer to this to us at this point - as to us life
is everything, and to have an all-encompassing answer would be to know
all.

For me at this moment, the meaning of life is to find meaning in your life.
A word itself has no meaning... it is the meaning in what they represent
that gives them importance. Likewise, I believe that life itself would mean
nothing to any of us if we did not put meaning and purpose into it.

And the meaning?

Every meaning is the meaning of life.

[WTF O_o]

There is no meaning to life nor is there a purpose. life is just the biggest coincidence ever to happen in the history of the universe

That is, if the universe we perceive through our 'eyes' actually exists

It is very much possible that there are higher/more intelligent beings in a universe much more sophisticated than ours which are creating our universe in our heads much like the film 'the matrix' as a simulation. in fact it's actually more possible for this universe to be a simulation than it being real.

let me try and explain

Think how big the universe is (impossible) and how long it has been going on (Probably forever and never even had a beginning)

Now, think of how our technology has advanced in the last 3000 years

Now go forward in time 60 billion years, think how fcuking advanced technology is going to be then

Simulating a universe will be like child's play once you hyave already uncovered the secrets of the universe you are in, therefore simulating a universe that isn't as complicated as your own, then wiring up a load of Brain-like micro chips to the 'simulation' and watching them 'grow and evolve' much like a computer game to understand evolution of life or just for plain amusement

If you understand how the brain creates senses it will be much more understandable. if you can connect to and control someone's mind you can basically make them see/feel/touch/smell/hear what ever you want them to, including a whole universe if you had the technology

and you don't need to even wire up 6 billion 'people' to the system, only you to the system. everything else could be a simulation, people, animals, everything

Hell, your brain may be just a micro chip in a big giant computer the size of the earth. what you are feeling and sensing now and everyday is created by the computer and being watched by billions of 'aliens' (maybe even humans of the distant future - which is actually the present and this is the simulation of the past)

If you are open minded (i think most people on this site are) and think hard about how this is possible is quite scary

People that swear they have seen ghosts or ailens may of actually seen them and it's just these life forms controlling the simulation messing around/experimenting to see what happens. maybe even 'Gods' of the ancient times actually existed for entertainment purposes to see how humans react. jesus may of actually walked the earth and performed miracles but maybe he was just a programme/experiment to see how out of control people take the concept of God.

Think about it real hard

Think how you think, who is controlling it? a wet warm piece of meat in side a skull. we know it produced and receives electrical signals, but who is controlling the ability to 'think'?

You?

What is you?

if i find the website that explains everything a lot better i will link it but it isn't in my bookmarks god damn it!

Gone a bit off topic near the end, forgiveness please

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Thought-provoking post. Thanks.

[missparkles]

Thinking about life Sparkles automatically ponders the afterlife (if there is one) and wonders if it's possible that psychics have the ability, not to tap into the "other side", but to connect with the consciousness of the person sat in front of them?
Sparkles thinks if the afterlife could be proved to exist then life would have some meaning, she's just not sure what that meaning would be.
Sparkles is over her "suffering" (for the moment anyways) and thinks we're all here to connect with each other, and by doing so we get in touch with that completeness we strive for. Unconscious, collective, love. Similar to the collective unconscious. More of a feeling she supposes.
Just more ramblings of a blissful (if insane) mind.

Sparkles.

[novaclay]

Originally Posted by WTF O_o

Simulating a universe will be like child's play once you hyave already uncovered the secrets of the universe you are in, therefore simulating a universe that isn't as complicated as your own, then wiring up a load of Brain-like micro chips to the 'simulation' and watching them 'grow and evolve' much like a computer game to understand evolution of life or just for plain amusement

Interesting perspective, I've thought somewhat similar ideas as future hypothetical technologies that we could once achieve, but have never came to the conclusion that that's what we are. You mentioned the movie The Matrix but in my opinion it would be more like the movie The Thirteenth Floor. ((I'd be interested in that link you mentioned if you find it WTF))

The way I've thought of this is if we could figure out how atoms work, we could program individual atoms into a simulation and given enough RAM with enough processing speed we could recreate a whole world, and we wouldn't need AI script telling the person to do anything because we programmed it at the atomic level so it would already just work...
Like WTF's theory it's a little hard to follow, I have no website, the only reference is my crazy head.

As far as what I think the purpose of life is though, I've yet to find out, but if I had to pick something right now, given my current place in life, I would say there isn't one, and that all we have is instinctual wants, built into us, to eat, have sex, rear young ones, and otherwise make ourselves feel good. Monkeys masturbate, and SWIM and SWIY do drugs.

[blue acara]

The only real purpose to life that I can see logically is to survive then reproduce. We're intelligent mammals so we give excellent care to our offspring, giving this care then becomes our purpose. Humans evolved past our nomad and hunter gatherer ways of life and here we are in concrete jungles.

I think alot of people imagine a future much like startrek with humans going warp speed exploring the depths of space and beyond. Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity and his famous E=mc2 equation proved among other things that the speed of light is constant and supreme. Nothing is faster. If we could travel at the speed of light(300,000 km per second) it would still take us 7 hours to reach Pluto and 4.3 years to reach our closest celestial neighbour, Proxima Centauri. The fastest speeds recorded by a human object is the Voyager space crafts at 56,000 km per hour, it took 12 years to get to Pluto.

The point im trying to make is that the universe is unimaginably massive, based on what we know now and can reasonably predict no human will ever even get to the edge of our own solar system.
Whatever our purpose (all human kind) is in life it seems it will involve this planet.

I used to imagine that all the solar systems were the atoms of some massive god or creature. The star in each solar system was the core of the atom and planets were its electrons. God is the universe kinda thing.

[blue acara]

Originally Posted by WTF O_o

It is very much possible that there are higher/more intelligent beings in a universe much more sophisticated than ours which are creating our universe in our heads much like the film 'the matrix' as a simulation. in fact it's actually more possible for this universe to be a simulation than it being real.

let me try and explain

Think how big the universe is (impossible) and how long it has been going on (Probably forever and never even had a beginning)

The big bang theory is the best guess we have as to the beginnings. Basic idea is that everything that exists in the whole universe- suns, planets everything was somehow packed into a tiny space millions of times smaller than a atom, the matter was inside what scientists call a singularity which is an object with no dimentions. Theory is that this singularity containing all the matter there ever was or will ever be popped into existance/ or it was always there. It decided to go 'big bang' and expand exponentially into our universe. Massive energy and heat create the forces like gravity and the elements. Within 3 minutes we have our universe.

Originally Posted by WTF O_o

Now, think of how our technology has advanced in the last 3000 years
Now go forward in time 60 billion years, think how fcuking advanced technology is going to be then

In 2 billion years the Earth will be uninhabitable and in something like 5 billion the sun will run out of hydrogen and become a red giant for a few million years turning helium into carbon before dying completely. By then the Earth will be completly engulfed.

Originally Posted by WTF O_o

Simulating a universe will be like child's play once you hyave already uncovered the secrets of the universe you are in, therefore simulating a universe that isn't as complicated as your own, then wiring up a load of Brain-like micro chips to the 'simulation' and watching them 'grow and evolve' much like a computer game to understand evolution of life or just for plain amusement

There is a good chance that life exists on distant planets, maybe even other universes but why are they so interested in us? Watching us get high would be funny I guess Your post was interesting. The Matrix is a great film but don't take it too seriously.

[coelho]

Originally Posted by blue acara

The Matrix is a great film but don't take it too seriously.

Swim would complement this as:
The Matrix is a great film but don't take it too seriously if you want to keep living your usual life, working for achieving your goals, and believing your dreams, illusions, hopes and fears.
Or, more succinctly, don't take it too seriously if you want keep living inside The Matrix.
Its like Cypher said, while he was inside the matrix eating and making a deal with Agent Smith:

Originally Posted by Cypher

"You know, I know that this steak doesn't exist. I know when I put it in my mouth, the Matrix is telling my brain that it is juicy and delicious. After nine years, do you know what I've realized?

Ignorance is bliss."

[terrapinzflyer]

Originally Posted by blue acara

The big bang theory is the best guess we have as to the beginnings. Basic idea is that everything that exists in the whole universe- suns, planets everything was somehow packed into a tiny space millions of times smaller than a atom, the matter was inside what scientists call a singularity which is an object with no dimentions. Theory is that this singularity containing all the matter there ever was or will ever be popped into existance/ or it was always there. It decided to go 'big bang' and expand exponentially into our universe. Massive energy and heat create the forces like gravity and the elements. Within 3 minutes we have our universe.

Turtle once heard a speech by one of the big physicits- Michau phillips????...(associated w/ princeton or harvard at the time)

Anyway- he presented it like this (sorry for the horrible paraphrasing)

Once there was this ball of energy, call it god if you like. It exploded, creating the universe as we know it. It constantly expands, and all the while its parts learn and collect knowledge. Then it starts to contract- pulling all this knowledge back into the single ball of energy/god. Now imagine, why do we think this is the first time this cycle has happened?

Horrible quote on turtles part but one of the best stories of the universe turtle ever heard...

[thenamezbankz]

Originally Posted by WTF O_o

There is no meaning to life nor is there a purpose. life is just the biggest coincidence ever to happen in the history of the universe

That is, if the universe we perceive through our 'eyes' actually exists

It is very much possible that there are higher/more intelligent beings in a universe much more sophisticated than ours which are creating our universe in our heads much like the film 'the matrix' as a simulation. in fact it's actually more possible for this universe to be a simulation than it being real.

let me try and explain

Think how big the universe is (impossible) and how long it has been going on (Probably forever and never even had a beginning)

Now, think of how our technology has advanced in the last 3000 years

Now go forward in time 60 billion years, think how fcuking advanced technology is going to be then

Simulating a universe will be like child's play once you hyave already uncovered the secrets of the universe you are in, therefore simulating a universe that isn't as complicated as your own, then wiring up a load of Brain-like micro chips to the 'simulation' and watching them 'grow and evolve' much like a computer game to understand evolution of life or just for plain amusement

If you understand how the brain creates senses it will be much more understandable. if you can connect to and control someone's mind you can basically make them see/feel/touch/smell/hear what ever you want them to, including a whole universe if you had the technology

and you don't need to even wire up 6 billion 'people' to the system, only you to the system. everything else could be a simulation, people, animals, everything

Hell, your brain may be just a micro chip in a big giant computer the size of the earth. what you are feeling and sensing now and everyday is created by the computer and being watched by billions of 'aliens' (maybe even humans of the distant future - which is actually the present and this is the simulation of the past)

If you are open minded (i think most people on this site are) and think hard about how this is possible is quite scary

People that swear they have seen ghosts or ailens may of actually seen them and it's just these life forms controlling the simulation messing around/experimenting to see what happens. maybe even 'Gods' of the ancient times actually existed for entertainment purposes to see how humans react. jesus may of actually walked the earth and performed miracles but maybe he was just a programme/experiment to see how out of control people take the concept of God.

Think about it real hard

Think how you think, who is controlling it? a wet warm piece of meat in side a skull. we know it produced and receives electrical signals, but who is controlling the ability to 'think'?

You?

What is you?

if i find the website that explains everything a lot better i will link it but it isn't in my bookmarks god damn it!

Gone a bit off topic near the end, forgiveness please

this just mind fucked me real hard....whoa ..

[WTF O_o]

Originally Posted by thenamezbankz

this just mind fucked me real hard....whoa ..

I am glad

[Deathspleasure]

Originally Posted by thenamezbankz

this just mind fucked me real hard....whoa ..

Wow, yeah, I agree.
Another good theory is that we are all one infinite counciousness experiancing itself subjectivily. Grr, Idk what it would be called, look into the frequency theory, I heard some call it the new age movement or something. Like he said, think about how our brain works, meditation, lucid dreaming, everything, alot of the time this feels like a hologram..
Me and my friend thought this up one day. What if this is all one big Salvia trip, you just come out of it and it was really only like 5 minutes? Haha, that fucked my friend up alot. But yeah...Holy shit

Deathspleasure added 3 Minutes and 56 Seconds later...

Originally Posted by dyingtomorrow

SWIM doesn't believe there is a "purpose" other than existence itself. He believes that all possibilities can, have, do and will exist. That life and creation is meant to keep creating until every scenario possible by the laws of the universe has been achieved. And even in other universes with different constants for scientific/physics/molecular phenomenon.

When SWIM gets sentimental, he likes to believe that we are each here to dream up more possibilities and maybe contribute to further creation through our own imaginations after we die.

Well said, for somereason I could not type that out, lol

Deathspleasure added 32 Minutes and 14 Seconds later...

Originally Posted by rawbeer

We are pieces of the universe, which are conscious, and becoming moreso as we evolve. Therefore if pieces of the universe are conscious, so is the universe. So as we are becoming aware of the universe around us in greater complexity, the universe is in turn becoming self-aware to a greater degree of complexity. Likewise, we become self-aware just like the universe...the result being that the microcosmic consciousness of the human race becomes increasingly isomorphic with the macrocosmic consciousness of the entire universe, until all distinction at last is obliterated, time and space cease to exist, and the universe becomes one complete entity, the unity of all things from which it originated.
Meaning is a human product - not recognized by any other life form, and not existing independently of human conception. So if you see your life as meaningless it is a failure of your own imagination. I do not understand why anyone would choose to view the universe as a mindless, deterministic machine when more enlightening and useful metaphors exist.

Can I quote you on my youtube page?
Do you just want me to put your username? My youtube is deathspleasure

[cra$h]

Originally Posted by Lost Dog Screaming

Swim believes that the only reason we are here (especially in the modern times) is to kill time. Waiting for the end. But in the beginning, we were meant to survive and reproduce. But now, surviving is pretty much taken care of, and reproducing, we've already done too much of that.
That's why Swim believes it's okay to take drugs, I mean if anything it would make the end come quicker in most cases. In fact, all of us now-a-days are just here to entertain ourselves and avoid boredom. When we are bored we do stupid things. That's why Swinu (someone you is not us) do drugs in the first place, to not be bored. And so what if it destroys the body? If anything it makes the pain of living go away. It makes everything better, drugs make the world go 'round.
Swim believes everyone should be on drugs, it would make everyone more 'cool' and 'hip'. Even adults, and especially old people.
Though it is true that some drugs are not for some people, that's why Swinu experiments with drugs, to find the right one for you so you can spend the rest of your life entertaining yourself untill the end comes.

Kinda depressing. It does seem like there's not really a purpose to life, but to me, it's all a matter of perspective. For me, it's to grow, and help those around us grow in all dimensions. Wether it be social skills, education, technology (which is contradicting) and spiritually. Becoming a knowlagable, dynamic person I can share knowlage and wealth with others to help cure this horrid plauge of ignorance. I even go to the length of researching obscure topics, different religions, etc.

As for the purpose of all of our lives, I don't want to know. Knowing the purpose of life doesn't seem like it would be something inspiring, and then this infinite lust for knowlage I have would be completely shot.


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[Lost Dog Screaming]

Originally Posted by cra$h

Kinda depressing. It does seem like there's not really a purpose to life, but to me, it's all a matter of perspective. For me, it's to grow, and help those around us grow in all dimensions. Wether it be social skills, education, technology (which is contradicting) and spiritually. Becoming a knowlagable, dynamic person I can share knowlage and wealth with others to help cure this horrid plauge of ignorance. I even go to the length of researching obscure topics, different religions, etc.

As for the purpose of all of our lives, I don't want to know. Knowing the purpose of life doesn't seem like it would be something inspiring, and then this infinite lust for knowlage I have would be completely shot.


For anyone interested in further conversation in things like this, join this group: http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/group.php?groupid=129

Wow man, swim never thought of that like that. Swim completely agrees

[Joe-(5-HTP)]

Purpose is subjective. This is why there is no answer to the question 'what is the purpose of life' - there are and can only be different perspectives and different purposes for different people.

The purpose I chose for my life is to do what I choose and achieve what I want to. This usually includes what interests me and I can safely say killing time is not particularly interesting although it is sometimes necessary.

[nate81]

That's all fine and good but without a method of freeing onesself from this "matrix" of life, talking about it and worrying is pointless. Hell, at the very least it should be identified as accurate or probable. Any time spent developing this Theory of Matrix Life without any possible way of discovering it's truth is time wasted (unless it's just a philosophical exercise, in which case it's still wasted but numbs the boredom).

There's way too many "what if's" in our imaginations to float through life believing any or all of them. The christian god could be in charge, or maybe it's karma. We could be in the Matrix, but maybe it's all nature.

If you can change it, do so. If you can't, there's no need to worry because it's gonna happen, it's always happened, it will always continue to happen.

My theory is that the world is in fact flat. Why else don't balls roll forever off the earth? Ever stack a ping pong on a basketball?

[Matt The Funk]

There is no greater purpose. Your ego defines how you want to live, and what you make of life. Our sole purpose is to reproduce, and any other products thereof are similar to side effects from a drug to our environment...

[cra$h]

Knowing we exist can be good or bad. Either we know this artificial world is a waste of time and we go kill ourselves, or we see it as an oppertunity, all just for the sake of an experience.

[DaveDaPsychonaut]

SWIM says there is no true purpose of life. We're all just made up of a bunch of cells, and somehow tricked into thinking there is reality by our own minds. Why don't we just die if life is an illusion? We are afraid to do so, because we have spent so much 'time' learning and training, which doesn't exist without living beings by the way.

We also are afraid to die because we don't know what really happens when we die. Think of it as this, does SWIY remember anything before he or she was born? That is the same state you'll be in when you die. SWIY won't be able to think, see, hear, smell, taste, or touch. SWIY will be non-existent.

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Intriguing view of death being equal to our pre-life state. I've tried to explain this same thought before

[LostCelestial]

Blimey! It's all a bit nihilistic in here!

I think the problem is asking 'what's the purpose of life', which demands such an overwhelmingy huge answer. It also implies that that there's something out there who has written on a piece of paper 'the purpose of life' and we have to guess at it.

Whenever people (normally stoned people) ask me these kind of questions, I respond by asking 'what is NOT the purpose of life?'. Now that's a hard question, but in my belief it makes you think about it in the right terms. There is almost nothing that you can comprehensively and totally say 'we are NOT here to do/appreciate that'.

Thinking of things backward, I start to have better feelings about the universe and the point of life.

So far I have never been convinced that any particular thing is rule-outable as not being the point of life. From this I am convinced that (in the broadrst sense) the purpose of life is to do 'anything'.

As long as you are alive and doing 'something' your experiancing part of life that no-one except you can. Isn't that reason enough to get a big L-I-F-E from the DF cheerleaders?

I think everyone who asks the purpose of life is really asking 'what can I do to be happy'. Which is just as valid a question, but when you ask it that way,it sounds less obvious and self serving, two things that our culture tends to hate in our philosophy.
I would say that if there was any sure fire way to 'live a good life' and 'fulfill your purpose' everyone would be doing it. We'd all be so goddamn happy all the time that we wouldn't need to ask.

So try to focus on the fact that human experiance is nebulous and uncertain. Seek until you find things that make you not need to ask what the purpose is. You'll know when you find them. Because you won't ever ask again.

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Interesting points and questions, thanks.

[bean.]

After a huge ketamine binge and a few significant events in my life I've found why I'm here even if its not the reason for my entire life. So maybe the meaning to life changes as we get older. I'd also like to point out I didn't discover the meaning to life through ketamine it just helped clear my mind and wash away my worries so I could think clearly.

Anyway I think it'd be hard for me to discribe to any other people as it sort of lives inside me, but to describe as best as I can our purpose (or maybe just my purpose) is to live and make the most of every opportunity, and help people around me do the same thing. Its alot deeper than that but like I said its hard to explain as its more of an emotion than words. Also I dont think its something than should be shared, as you wouldn't feel the same thing as me. My personal little meaning to life

[Samuel]

I know excactly what the meaning of life is, though I didn't find that out myself.
The meaning of life is: spiritual developement.

remember this

[Imafish]

What is the purpose of a hammer? to slam nails into wood? or to pull them out? or to clunk someone on the head? the answer... yes. purpose is derived from motivation. nothing has any purpose if its not doing anything. whatever drives us into action gives us purpose. in this way i feel that we can decide our own purpose and meaning. You can decide to have a good day if you want. nobody can order you to have a bad day if you want a good one. thats why i have a good day, every day.

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	An intelligent and productive way to think
	A great peice of writing. To the point.
	Great post. Well put, good thinking. Positive.