Dose - Kratom Black Label?

[morican69]

Has anyone ever tried this stuff? Experience is the brand the product is a Kratom Black label (extract 40X I think) not quite sure on that and can't find info on the exact concentration of the stuff but I think 40X.

Swim Just bought it yesterday at his local head shop and was wondering if anyone can give first hand experienced advice on dosage and what to expect.

This will be Swims first time trying Kratom at all and hopefully this coming up weekend if all goes well, I will post trip report sometime after that.

[JJBandit]

From some research into kratom after ordering some, i have been informed its a watered down version of what it should be. I was told to steer clear as the and use a better trader. however the company was selling at half price (i now know why).

They eventually, (2 weeks later) sent me a replacement saying the were out of stock, the replacement was "krypton" which is apparently a 50X, and is apparently not natrual kratom, but a synthetic version of the active agent in kratom.. so i'm not happy.

I would love to tell you the name of the well known company, but am not sure if i can.

but in answer to your question, other that Teas, i have heard icecream is a great thing to cover the flavour.

and i have heard, however dont hold me to it, that 0.5/1g is a good place to start, giving it an hour say b4 topping yourself up.

a lower measure apparently gives a bit of a high, however a larger measure would lead to sedation.

hope that helps..

JJBandit added 6 Minutes and 47 Seconds later...

Originally Posted by JJBandit

the replacement was "krypton" which is apparently a 50X, and is apparently not natrual kratom, but a synthetic version of the active agent in kratom.. so i'm not happy.

i just want to point out, that the above statement is just something i have heard, i dont know if there is any truth to it at all.. would be interesting to find out.

[Alfa]

The Krypton kratom product has nothing to do with kratom but is really a very addictive opioid. A tramadol analog:
Krypton kratom extract turns out to contain O-Desmethyltramadol

[morican69]

Thanx JJBandit for the input and advice.

Swim actually tried it this weekend (Friday) at a low starting dose as Swiy suggested. Then kicked it up a half gram at a time a couple of times every
45 min. or so after Swim wasn't getting the desired affect. Never reached anything Swim would call a "high" just felt a little butterflies and a little visual thing where the people on TV looked a little chubby, like Swim would focus on one of their features and it would look swollen or something. This was kind of cool but Swim didn't reach any "waking dream" state or anything like he was hoping too.

Maybe Swim dosed too low and should have just taken the whole 3 gram baggy? Probably... But Swim was disappointed with his first try at Kratom.

Like Swiy said, about this product Swim tried this weekend

its a watered down version of what it should be.

Swim sure hopes so, because otherwise Swim is done wasting money on this stuff and will just stick to pot, Salvia, and shrooms for his tripping.

Sorry Swim forgot to add that the next day he felt a head ache and like sh_t all day long like a bad hang-over or something, not cool given he didn't even trip.

Alfa

Thanx for the heads up on Krypton kratom.

[paragoric]

Kratom isn't meant to be trippy (it sounds like that is what swiy was expecting from this ethno)...far from trippy this ethno is more opiate like and is used in thialand to get opium addicts drug-free...no wonder swiy didn't get the desired effects..it's more used by people who enjoy the warm comfort of opiates be they natural or synthetic or to prevent opiate withdrawls...pg

[morican69]

Originally Posted by paragoric

Kratom isn't meant to be trippy (it sounds like that is what swiy was expecting from this ethno)...far from trippy this ethno is more opiate like and is used in thialand to get opium addicts drug-free...no wonder swiy didn't get the desired effects..it's more used by people who enjoy the warm comfort of opiates be they natural or synthetic or to prevent opiate withdrawls...pg

Yeah, Swim guess this stuff might not be for him. That's fine, Swim could do with out the hang over and the price, is kind of high too.

Swim did actually read a bunch of others trip reports before trying this stuff himself and had was kind of hoping to experience a waking dream state, as some have reported.

Well Swim still have most of the 3 gram package left of this stuff but don't really feel like dealing with the head ache Swim had the next day.

[Maxfrombx]

Swim did actually read a bunch of others trip reports before trying this stuff himself and had was kind of hoping to experience a waking dream state, as some have reported.

In order to acheive this kind of state, SWIY would have to take a heavy dose (or to redose several times), without OD'ing of course.

At first, SWIY will be stimulated, but after about 2-3 hours, SWIY will get very sleepy.

SWIY will just have to lay back and close his eyes. Awareness of his body will tend to disappear, and very vivid dream scenes will tend to manifest automatically, while being still conscious.

It's like drifting directly in REM state. After maybe 10 minutes of this semi-conscious state, SWIY can decide to come back to reality, and will be completly refreshed, while having the odd sensation of not having really slept...

SWIM believes it's kratom's most interesting property, as it enables him to drift into semi-conscious dreams and manipulate them easily, for fun and self-exploration.

Relaxing blends tend to be more suitable for achieving this kind of result, like Indo for example.

Maybe SWIY should try heavy dosing (carefully though, he doesn't want to end up puking) with what he has kept from his batch, and preferably during the afternoon, so the effects will dissipate before going to bed and he will avoid any hangover the day after.