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Old 21-07-2009, 22:02
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Can drug testers tell if urine is male or female?

SWIM searched on this forum but could not find a straight answer. While searching online SWIM found contradicting opinions. Anyone know for sure? SWIM cares cause she is going to be tested for a job and can obtain clean MALE urine.
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Old 21-07-2009, 22:33
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Re: Can drug testers tell if urine is male or female?

Yes they can. They might not always check but its not worth the risk.
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Old 22-07-2009, 10:46
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Re: Can drug testers tell if urine is male or female?

That really really sucks. SWIM read that employers tests NEVER check. SWIM wonders if anyone got caught that way.
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Old 22-07-2009, 16:26
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Re: Can drug testers tell if urine is male or female?

When the pee is tested it is possible for them to tell if it is male or female if they are looking for it. However most tests do not include this in their routine testing unless specified. My buddy SWIM recently finished out patient after close to a year. It took so long because about half way through his intensive out patient the first time, SWIM failed a pee test, not because of dirty pee but because SWIM was a male and the pee was definitely not... lol it's happened.
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Old 22-07-2009, 20:30
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Re: Can drug testers tell if urine is male or female?

Although other testing methods do exist, there are four basic methods of testing urine in an employee drug screen in the U.S.. In order to determine what is or isn't (or what can or can't be) tested for in a urinalysis, one needs to know which method of testing will be used. These methods are:
-Test strip or stick
-Immunoassay analysis (EMIT, FPIA, RIA)
-Gas chromatography/mass spectrometry (GC/MS). and
-High performance liquid chromatography (HPLC)

In the U.S., labs often test for the following:
Drug metabolites, pH, creatinine, specific gravity, certain oxidants, and excessive nitrites (none of these determine sex). Testing for anything else is not economical and in the average employers best interest. However there are always exceptions, such as the military or government jobs that require a security clearance.

Using Radioimmunoassay (RIA) to test for the sex of the 'donor' by testing for the presence of hormones, as well as testing for Human Glycoprotein Immunoglobulin G (IgG) to determine if the urine is human or synthetic, is rarely done in the U.S. In fact, some labs won't run any additional tests other than metabolites (such as creatinine or specific gravity), unless there is a reason to believe that the sample has been tainted or diluted, or the employer specifically requests it.

If the sample is collected at and sent to a lab by a third party company or lab, one can easily enquire about the exact testing method and what they will test for. GC/MS and HPLC will provide more accurate results with a broader range of tests, as opposed to EMIT(II) and test strips or sticks, which almost never test for anything but the presence of the metabolite to give a positive or a negative.

These are links to drug testing basics.
http://www.docpotter.com/drustes_basics.html
http://www.mayoclinicproceedings.com...t/83/1/66.full
See here about creatinine in urine.
http://sdrl.com/tech_briefs/UrineCreatinine.html

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Last edited by Electrolingus; 23-07-2009 at 17:13. Reason: to add more links and to better specify RIA.
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Old 24-07-2009, 00:38
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Re: Can drug testers tell if urine is male or female?

Thanks very much Electrolingus...the job that SWIM is hoping for is a restaurant job at a casino along with another restaurant that also drug tests. She is now thinking of using the urine from the clean guy she knows rather than trying to find a girl from craigslist. That would cost money and take a lot of time as well!

Please wish SWIM luck! It sounds like she will be alright.
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Re: Can drug testers tell if urine is male or female?

I have checked on this before. The lab told me they couldn't. Also, I've actually used a females before and they didn't know it...
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Old 28-07-2009, 00:26
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Re: Can drug testers tell if urine is male or female?

The laboratory's job is to conduct a DRUG test, not gender identification. In the US there would be a bunch of legal ramifications to determining the gender when the urine donor has not consented to it. Can it be done? Sure, if the resources are available to the lab. But they aren't going to do so.
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Old 28-07-2009, 20:41
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Re: Can drug testers tell if urine is male or female?

Thanks for the added info and experiences from the last two posters
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Old 31-07-2009, 02:21
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Re: Can drug testers tell if urine is male or female?

Using a different sex sample that you KNOW is clean is MUCH better then getting it off someone on craigslist. How would you know if that person is truthful or not?

PLUS, at least where swim is from, the sample is submitted to the lab with just a serial # on it, that serial # is used to report back whether the sample is clean or not, there's no sex check taken (keep in mind, that costs $$!)
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Re: Can drug testers tell if urine is male or female?

I have researched the web about this topic before taking my drug test 2 days ago. I smoked a few bowls of some white widow a week before landing a job. I tested myself at home with a kit I got from the dollar store
And failed so I decided to use my wife's urine. I figured it would work but was of course a little worried cause
I haven't gone this route before. I have used the synthetic quick fix before many time years ago but wasn't sure
If the labs have gotten more detailed in their testing and I didn't know if the test for this new job was a quick dip
In the urine and would know right away or if they sent it off to a lab. My wife is on birth control but does not smoke so that was my only shot. I passed with flying colors!!!! Like I said I did a lot of searching on the web about this topic and 90 % that I found said it would work so I was confident I would pass but was still nervous because this new job is a great opportunity! Like I said I passed, they divided the urine in 2 different tubes and sent them off to the lab. Keep in mind people when you research thing on the web you don't know who is responding and a lot of times the negative comments or people that deny something won't work haven't experienced this personally to know what the hell they are talking about. Bottom line, you can use female urine to pass for a mans drug test if it's clean. I did, I passed and am working for a great company.
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Re: Can drug testers tell if urine is male or female?

This all depends on the test conducted. If it is a simply immunoassay, it will not detect that and will remain on a pretty primitive level for diagnostics (unless it is a high dollar EMIT done at a collection lab).

Yet it is possible to GC/MS metabolites let out from the hormones contained separately in male and female bodies. So for more expensive industry tests for high end employment, it will be possible, like with my 11 panel, to detect any type of adulteration.

In fact, this adulteration-detection is a part of my drug test. They have an immunoassay strip that they use for initial testing of adulteration, and then they provide content evidence in the GC/MS. My tests have a long set of control variables such as: temperature, diluteness, creatine levels, niacin, and whatever else have you that can be used or is commonly misconceived to "pass a test."

Many clinics will test the urine for temperature/contents, so synthetics will be a failure, and now they do biological tests in the GC/MS-level tests too, so unless you are very good about keeping all the necessary variables perfect, the MRO will call you and laugh about the fact that "You are medically dead by definition... and well... failed the drug test on apparent adulteration." I would not be surprised if they don't shoot for male/female hormone metabolites in the MS. It would make good sense to prevent spouses from playing into adulteration.

Keep this in mind people! It is all about the type of test!!! If you are having to do high-end lab tests that involve something like a random DISA 11 panel, please do not dick around with substitution. Abstain from drug usage if you want to get or keep the job. The same goes for any criminal court drug tests. They do take those rather seriously sometimes, and adulteration is easily detectable.
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Old 23-09-2012, 19:35
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Re: Can drug testers tell if urine is male or female?

MY friend is in DWI Court (Drug Court for felony DWI). He routinely gets HCG tests added to his weekly UAs. Basically, it's a pregnancy test and they definitively know he is a male. He has a case file and his name on every sample. He assumes this is thrown in randomly to check for substitution.

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