Psychedelics & Telepathy

[BEEKSc1]

swim and two other friends were tripping on a quarter of boomers and we were finishing each other sentenses, knew whateach otherwanted to do, and were communicating-as though it seemed-without the normal five senses. has anyone else experienced similar extra-sensory perception?

[vacant]

It definitely seems plausible, but SWIM hasn't experienced it.

From The Psychedelic Experience
by Timothy Leary, Ralph Metzner, Richard Alpert
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On the other hand, the voyager may also feel that he possesses supernormal powers of perception and movement, that he can perform miracles, extraordinary feats of bodily control etc. The Tibetan book definitely attributes paranormal faculties to the consciousness of the Bardo voyager and explains it as due to the fact that the Bardo-consciousness encompasses future elements as well as past. Hence clairvoyance, telepathy, ESP, etc. are said to be possible. Objective evidence does not indicate whether this sense of increased perceptiveness is real or illusory. We therefore leave this as an open question, to be decided by empirical evidence.
//http://www.totse.com/en/drugs/psyche.../psychdlc.html //


I think that psychedelic drugs in general open up the mind to new ideas and perceptions. Some people NOT under the influence of drugs may also have these abilities because their brain works differently (take me, for example, SWIM has an uncanny ability to know what will happen ahead of time, not always, but a good lot of the time). There are also other ways people read body language to observe how they will react.
Unfortunately, most of this goes unstudied.

This leads SWIM to believe that this is certainly possible and did actually happen.

Although, SWIM hasn't experienced this under psychedelics, or drugs in general, this is an everyday occurrence for some. Perhaps you should look more into. Some people are able to 'tap' into these extra abilities and learn to use them.

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good quote

[phenethylamine]

Hell yeah. To trip with others is the point of everything to rediscover comminucation as it is I mean it all comes down to us communicating and yes our brains can do A LOT more than they do I mean shit.


Off topic statement:


Aphex Twin is the SHIT

[enquirewithin]

'....the voyager may also feel that he possesses supernormal powers of perception and movement...' It says may feel -- I can't recall Leary ever going into this subject much. I've certainly felt uncannily able to 'read' friends thoughts especially on K. However, I would hestiate to give these feelings much 'objective' reality. Edited by: enquirewithin

[uqlfy]

Or is it more like tuning forks. Yes tuning forks. See if you take two tuning forks and hit one hard enoughthe other will vibrate in tune with it.


Same with people maybe, when tripping your energy,chi,aura whatever is amplified and others are "tuned in" to your frequency.

[scythebunny]

Not sure if this relates to the topic, but my bf told me an experience he had with a friend of his on acid once.


he said that his friend had told him that they were going to simultaniously use their minds to open a "Portal" in the wall and see what was happening on the other side. he said that they should at the same time push there thoughts towards eachother and as they collided they would bounce off one anotherto 90 degrees and change direction toward the wall where they would open the "portal" in the wall for them to see thru it.My bf said that it was the most incredible thing that he'd ever done, because after they had done it and seen the other two friends, that were tripping with them, sitting in the room on the other side of the wall, he couldnt believe it. so the friend opened the door to the other room and thetwo guyson the other side were sitting exactly where they had been when they saw them thru the portal, still rolling the joint they had seen them rolling only a few seconds before.


Anyone experience anything similar

[uqlfy]

Scythebunny what youve described is called remote viewing. The CIA actually used LSD in their MK-ULTRA program as a possible enhancer of just such a thing.

[korky8097]

i just read out of high preist by leary a trip where he experienced this. I will type it up sometime.

[pabel_giboon]

I agree theese kind of things actually happen. From telepathy to mindreading and remote viewing SWIM has experienced theese things in a lower or highter level on LSD. But most of the times the experience were connected with other folks tripping too. It seems to be the same with most of the people sharing their experiences here. Is it this way? Does anyone on LSD "connect" with others that are not on it?

[seriousmoose]

A really common symptom of schizophrenia deals with people reading
their mind, them reading others mind... but from what i know so far,
it's just delusions

[mmmike28]

I believe experiencing ESP has to do with a number of factors.
I've actually researched this subject well. The physiology of
each drug is different, so I am going to talk in terms of psychedlic
drugs in general.

Certain drugs unlock parts of your brain that would
not be in use normally. Drugs also take down the veil of the
physical reality around you, so your inner reality is played out.
This inner reality is the things that miracles, and ESP are based
on. It has to do with your pineal gland (third eye) of the brain
secreting a drug known as DMT. DMT in many excyclopedias is "a
psychedlic drug known to create time dillusions, invoke extra sensory
perception, invoke out-of-body experiences, and cause people to unify
with their envoronment". This means we have a natural psychedelic in
our bodies, that certain other drugs allow us to enable the use of,
when tripping. This also goes along with many Eastern Religious
meditation. Theres a lot of science behind it, so yes, ESP is
real and not made up.

Your bodies can do a lot more than you could ever imagine.

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interesting dmt info

[Nagognog2]

I love it when those words like schizophrenia pop up. Developed by a culture that only began psychology as a science 135 years ago with the writings of William James. Ha! Native Shamans here on Turtle Island have understood seeing for over 12,000 years. But the western shrinks think they are schizophrenic. How insightful. No wonder the CIA tried LSD and it is now against the law. Maybe they did not like what they found when they read their own pointy little heads.

[BEEKSc1]

yea i am reading this book called The Holotropic Universe by Michael Talbot thatproposes, "Our brains mathematically construct objective reality byinterpreting frequencies that are ultimately projections from another dimension, a deeper order of existence that is beyond both space and time: The brain is a hologram enfolded in a holographic universe." The entire book leads me to believeevery person has the capibilities to utilize their extra-sensory perception (while ultimately enhanced while under the influence of mind-altering substances).

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interesting quote and theory

[Diego]

Once, SWIM and gf were doing XTC and they started sniffing Ketamine. (The strongest trips he's ever had, ketamine has been there)

Then, they went silent, not a single word, looking at each other, but they were not seeing the "real world". SWIM was not seeing her, she was not seeing him.

They were together in some place, like floating inside a dark cloud. Then she wanted to come into SWIM's mind and pfs!! She was there, He saw her checking files and stuff, I can´t explain the images. But then she went deeply inside, trying to find things stored that he didn´t want her to see and he didn´t want to remember.

Then SWIM shouted: Stop right there! And they were back to his living room, knowing exactly what happened, what they just saw.

They both remember this experience very clearly.

Other experience. After a night of XTC, SWIM was resting at a friends house. Still tripping on XTC, smoking pot, and started doing Ketamine. All the "delusions" they had were the same, but they were not talking. They just visited and experienced the exactly the same, without talking about it.


And yet another ... this is not about telepathy. Once I was so high in XTC and ketamine, at an after party. Music, people dancing and talking. I started smoking pot heavily, and suddently I saw everything moving in slow motion, very, very slow. I could seeevery detail ofevery physical body since I had the time to watch it before it moved or changed.

[boredINbuffalo]

SWIM, in his first experience with DXM, found himself thinking of certain
phrases, numbers, and object, at at some point, found himself feeling the
desire to talk to his friend about it (who was also on DXM).

IT was discovered that SWIM and his friend were 'reading eachothers minds',
which freaked SWIM out quite a lot. Slightly later in the trip, SWIM travelled
to a beach on another planet, somewhere in the vicinity of sirus, SWIM felt,
before being dragged to speak with a woman in Hong Kong.

SWIM, for the bits he can remember, remembers that trip fondly.

[Nature Boy]

The closest thing SWIM's had to psychadelic telepathy is a conversation he had with a mate when on shrooms. He recorded it so he could listen to it when sober and it turned out to be quite bizarre. Anytime one of them began a sentence after say, the third word, they just fused the whole sentence together and it still made perfect sense. It sounded like a load of complete gibberish when listened to later but oddly it made perfect sense at the time.

[jatzstoned]

Originally Posted by BEEKSc1

swim and two other friends were tripping on a quarter of boomers and we were finishing each other sentenses, knew whateach otherwanted to do, and were communicating-as though it seemed-without the normal five senses. has anyone else experienced similar extra-sensory perception?

i strongly believe in the existence of an extra sensory psychedelic perception that is opened wen on shrooms or acid, etc, its been stated before that if a person has enough lsd ( im talking near fatal ammounts) he can actually enter other ppl's minds and hear the same mental wave length as them

[unico_walker]

During excessive (by my own personal standards) DXM use SWIM began having bizarre spells of deja vu, he could finish conversations and predict things to the amazement of others involved. But it did not feel like he was seeing the future or reading someones mind, it felt like something that had happened a million times before and he was simply remembering it. He didn't really have a sense of it before hand either, they would just be talking and all of a sudden he'd think "wait we had this conversation before" and it would come to him.

[hazeinmybong2]

DXM has a strange deja vu feeling to it. I think disassociatives do trigger the ESP/mind connection, sometimes i think it is almost a more complex form of body language and facial expressions all with the vibes of the moment(just a way for me to rationalize something that seems irrational in my mind, I'm not crazy am I?),but SWIM experiences this with a high frequency on many psychadelic drugs.

[pokeymcsmot420]

holy wa,


swim was watching some show on the history channel or some nonsense, well it was actually like idk some kind of mythbusters type show miteve even been mythbusters (dont watch it usually not sure),


but anyways it was about the government doing tests on having "psychic spies"and they said the government experimented with LSD as a truth serum andto induce the state of mind needed!?


Did anyone else see this!?!

[ambrosius]

I have heard about that. All I heard was that LSD was used as a truth serum in a weird way though. Something to the effect of making the person with information believe that they were insane. I'm not really sure if it's true or not. Really I don't think it would make much sense as LSD tends to cause babelling and forgetfulness during its effects.

[.rar]

Yes, the government tested LSD on people to see if they could use it. It never worked how they wanted it to.

[ambrosius]

Maybe it's just my sick sense of humor, but I think it would be funny to know of the conversations that happened during those interrogations.


"Where is the base located?"


"Can't remember... Why are the walls melting and when did the moles on my arms get so big?"

[.rar]

Well, one way they tested it is they paid prostitutes to give their customers LSD unknowingly and then the prostitutes were supposed to ask them different kinds of questions as the CIA watched behind a two way mirror.

[ambrosius]

"WHAT THE HELL KIND OF DISEASE DID YOU GIVE ME?!?!?!"