Drug info - Tripping off Nutmeg?

[i can see the rainbow]

swim has heard that people can trip on nutmeg and he wants to try it. but first, swim would like to know a few thinngs about the trip. How long is the come up, peak, and comedown? also, about how much to take. lastly, if anyone has any experience stories, please share them in a timeline format. Thank You

[Greenport]

That's a bad way to go, heh. Nutmeg contains a variety of essential oils including myristicin and elemicin (which are said to be responsible for some of these effect) along with safrole, and swiM thinks eugenol among others. while essential oils are not super-toxic, they could cause negative effects at doses as high as required for a nutmeg 'trip' and also some are believed to be carcinogenic due to their ability to be oxidized by the body forming epoxides, which can bond to DNA and cause damage.

Firstly, the trip is not like a mushroom trip or the like. It takes like five hours for effects to be felt, then they persist through the 24 hour mark with after-effects continuing for up to 72 hours. The effects? Well swiM reads that they are like a mixture of acid, mdma and pot. Shulgin IIRC said something about nutmeg once, stating he thought that perhaps at high enough doses some of the essential oils could be aminated inside the body. If this is true then small amounts of amphetamines (MDA, TMA, MMDA and the corresponding amphetamine from eugenol) would be formed. This seems to fit the effect profile well. However there is no way of knowing exactly how much would be formed or if this even happens. It is obvious though that it is a metabolite of these oils that is responsible for the effects it has.

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wow, scientific info on nutmeg! good work!

[PandorymDMT]

Originally Posted by i can see the rainbow

swim has heard that people can trip on nutmeg and he wants to try it. but first, swim would like to know a few thinngs about the trip. How long is the come up, peak, and comedown? also, about how much to take. lastly, if anyone has any experience stories, please share them in a timeline format. Thank You

1. How long is come up, peak, and comedown? For SWIM, onset starts around 6 - 8 hours after administration, the peak comes within 4 hours after onset, and the comedown comes within 18 hours after the peak.
2. How much do you need to take? It depends on the freshness of SWIY's nutmeg. If its whole nutmeg (that has to be grinded into a powder by SWIY's self) then the dosage would be around 15 grams. If its pre-grounded nutmeg bought from a store, then the dosage would be around 25 - 35 grams.
3. Any Experiences? Not really a experience timeline, but the closest thing that SWIM has to it at the moment... (From SWIM's personal experience)

• Swim has tried Nutmeg many times before (in search of a distraction) he usually consumes half a bottle of ground Nutmeg for a dose (which Swim estimates would be around 25 grams)
  
  Swim usually just pours the ground nutmeg powder into his mouth and quickly chugs it down with water.
  
  Swim then has disgusting nutmeg burps for about 6 hours coming at about 20 minute intervals.
  
  Then finally when the trip starts around 6 to 8 hours later, Swim feels like hes stoned and when walking to anywhere feels like his legs aren't even moving and that he is floating to his destination. Swim also noticed a dream-like state where nothing really feels real, and a extreme urge just to sleep.
  
  One of the worst parts of Nutmeg is the dry-mouth. Nothing was able to moisten Swims mouth for the entire duration of the high (or should Swim say stone?) which was about 18 hours total (including the coming up) plus Swims mouth had partial dry-mouth for a good day before it was able to moisten itself again

Overall the pros and cons of nutmeg are as follows
+ A long lasting stoned feeling
+ A Legal substance
+ A new experience
+ The rights to brag about using nutmeg
- Very unpleasant dry-mouth
- Redness of the eyes (It looks like SWIY is high on something)
- Nutmeg burps (Yuck!)
- A feeling of extreme tiredness
- Lessened motor skills (Possibly)
- Liver Damage (If overdosed, which is easier then swiy might think)

Edit: In response to the dangerous dosage comment: In SWIM's experience most store bought nutmeg that is preground is of pretty weak potency, but SWIY is correct that a 25gram dosage of fresher nutmeg material could certainly result in a overdose or a overly unpleasant trip.

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	Excellent post from experience.
	Good overall but dangerous dose info. Potency is widely variable and pre-ground can be even more potent than fresh.

[Isaiah]

Actually, Swim disagrees with all of the nutmeg haters out there. For swim, it takes about 30 minutes to get an effect, which is a change in the perception of light for swim. After 5-6 hours, swim starts to get a better experience. At that point, it reminds swim of the effects of low grade marijuana. After about 12-15 hours, swim starts to feel the "peak" of the experience, which is moderate hallucinations. Nothing spectacular, just light formations, patterns of light etc. Swim personally loves nutmeg, and has been a long time user. Swim only takes 1 1/2 tablespoons of pre-ground nutmeg. Swim's never tried more, though he hears that doses over 5 tablespoons can potentially send you into cardiac arrest. Please don't try more than 3 tablespoons, not worth the risk when half of that is all that's needed. The other dangers include convulsions and respiratory arrest. The effects last for 24 hours-4 days for swim. Swim hopes this helps!

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Decent information, good harm reduction.

[lem]

SWIM has had extensive experience with nutmeg, from as little as 3g up to 55g. SWIM always uses fresh nutmeg, that is, kernels rather than pre-ground nutmeg powder. SWIM has consumed a colossal quantity of nutmeg (estimated at about 2kg over 1.5 years).


Quality of the source material

SWIM has found the best quality nutmegs to be dark brown and oily inside (the inside will express slight amount of oil when being pressed), and dense. There should be no parts of the nutmeg that are soft or fluffy (and definitely not fluffy grey! that's mould). If that is the case, it is best to discard that particular kernel. The average size of a nutmeg kernel is about 2cm across and should weigh about 5g. That's not too important though, as long as it's dark and oily-looking inside


Method of ingestion

The best ingestion method SWIM has found is definitely grating the nutmegs to a powder then mixing them into some milky beverage like chocolate milk (SWIM used soy milk). The fat in these beverages masks the bitterness better than water or fruit juice. It may also facilitate absorption.

The other method SWIM recommends, and is a faster method, is to simply bite a kernel in half. One half at a time, hold the kernel in SWIY's mouth, fill mouth with milky beverage, then proceed to chew half kernel in mouth until very small particles are left. SWIY may then swallow, repeat for each half kernel until desired dose is consumed. Very important to chew thoroughly, as larger particles will not be able to be digested/absorbed.


Cautions

* SWIM has generally had no problems with nutmeg. One time there was hypotension, SWIM got up too quickly and his vision faded to black for a few moments. Adrenaline kicked in (it scared SWIM) and raised heart rate. SWIM was fine after that. Dosage was unknown, but was not the 55g dose.

* START WITH SMALL DOSES (like 5g). SWIM says this is just safe practice anyway, but due to the very long duration of effects, it's especially important with nutmeg. If SWIY's taken too much, it's a very long way to go until it wears off.

* It takes 5 hours to really start!. SWIM says to be very mindful of this. Up-dosing oneself due to thinking "it's not doing anything, the dose must be insufficient" could result in disaster, or a very intense and unpleasant experience.


Adverse Effects

* Possible tachycardia and hypertension, weak pulse. SWIM has not noted these at all times of using nutmeg. May not occur at all.

* Constipation, especially on higher doses (25g+). Drink plenty of water, but not too much. There is a case of polydipsia described in the literature, but the case was clearly psychotic. Nutmeg for SWIM has never caused polydipsia (excess desire for water consumption, leading to pathology like electrolyte imbalance and subsequent neurological complications).

* Very long come-down. SWIM says it's best to eat nutmeg at the start of a waking period (say 6am, kicks in by midday, enjoy the whole afternoon and evening, then sleep through most of the come-down). Following day or two may be confused, or lethargic. Plan ahead, give SWIY at least one day after to recover/relax.

* With higher doses, strong nutmeg odour on breath and in urine. SWIM found at least 20g is required to produce this, which gets more intense as dose increases.

Tolerance

SWIM has noted tolerance to nutmeg's effects with weekly usage. Effects from 55g felt like effects of 30g with less tolerance.


The Effects (timeline)

Note: This timeline is based on an empty stomach, add 30-60 minutes to each time if food has been consumed, maybe up to 2 hours if a large meal had been consumed recently. This is SWIM's personal timeline, others may vary. The following effects are typical for 5-20g dosage, with effects being more intense at the higher dosages.

T+00:15 Ingestion is usually complete by this time. Slight nausea may be experienced, but is transient and not overly strong. Never has SWIM felt like vomiting, nor has vomited from ingestion of nutmeg.

T+00:15-00:30 There may be very slight perceptual shift, but may be expectation/placebo. This usually subsides within 10-15 minutes. There are then no effects until the next event..

T+01:30 Very slight shift in perception, may be missed if one is busy doing something.

T+02:30 Definite shift in perception. Body may start to feel light and bubbly. Feeling of excitement in the abdomen, sort of like tingles. If SWIM is with friends having a good time, the good time gets even better. Simultaneous relaxation and mild stimulation.

T+04:00 Perceptual shift still present, floaty/dreamy feelings increasing. Excitement still felt in the abdomen. Euphoria comes in waves. Mucous membranes may start to dry at this point, eyes may start to become bloodshot.

T+05:00 Increasing euphoria. Mucous membranes (especially mouth) noted to be dry. Thirsty for water (thirst is easily quenched, but dryness doesn't necessarily resolve). Anything amusing becomes hilarious. Deeper insight into humour and general thought. Dreamy state of consciousness. Behind closed eyes, movies may start to be seen, generally forming out of the regular closed-eye patterns experienced during normal consciousness. Feels a bit like alcohol crossed with cannabis. Rapid heartbeat may be experienced at this time, worse on physical exertion, but does not feel dangerous.

T+05:00-08:00 Effects peak. Waves of euphoria, increased enjoyment of sound, colour, thoughts, closed-eye movies (easily directed with thoughts). Increased perception in dynamic range of sound. Sound also feels as if it interacts with a field covering SWIM's body. Upon closing eyes, spatial awareness seems to expand dramatically after a few minutes. Increased feelings of empathy, connection with self, others, and with Nature. If a larger dose has been consumed, urine and breath may smell of nutmeg. This is especially true for very large doses (35-55g), breath smells strongly of nutmeg (not burping, just breathing!), urine also smells strongly of nutmeg. Rapid heartbeat may be present, but if SWIM is sitting/laying around relaxing, may be normal heart rate. Larger doses may result in audio hallucinations, non-specific, though SWIM remembers random music playing in SWIM's mind at times.

T+08:00-12:00 Peak effects continue, though may start to taper a bit. When closing eyes, may have tendency to be profoundly relaxed and fall into half-sleep, where "twilight dreams" may be experienced. SWIM would usually recall vivid imagery, though be mostly in a dream state (not consciously directing the imagery), then wake with hazy recollection. These short dream sequences would last 15-20 minutes. Mucous membranes still dry, thirst still present, though quenchable. Breath and urine smell of nutmeg still, if higher doses have been consumed. Tendency to want to sleep.

T+12:00-24:00 Effects slowly wear down. Mucous membranes still dry. Urine and breath still smell of nutmeg. SWIM generally is sleeping during this phase. Very peaceful and restful sleep. Vivid dreams, though recall may be difficult upon waking (if sleeping all night), a sense of "SWIM knows he had vivid colourful dreams" is present.

T+24:00-36:00 Peak effects have worn off, leaving a lethargic, relaxed feeling. Motivation may be difficult in this state. Blood pressure may be low on rising from sleep (don't get up too quickly!). Mental activity is slowed, and sometimes difficult. SWIM has difficulty with forming sentences when writing, though can read and speak perfectly. Mouth still a little dry, but coming back to normal. Appetite is normal or increased.

T+36:00-50:00 Effects essentially all gone. Vague "still something there" feeling. Sleep is still peaceful and relaxed.


Well there you have it, SWIM's nutmeg overview. Hope that helps SWIY.

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	Very informative. Nice report of what the experience should be like
	awsome trip report!
	Very detailed and informative post. Thankyou for sharing your knowledge/experiences.

[chaosx]

swim has tried store bought nutmeg around a dozen times. only once did he get strong effects, although other times he got minor effects.

swim filled 10 gel caps with store bought ground nutmeg. effects started after about 6 hours. very simular to being high on mj. closed eye visuals. swim probably slept throught the peak.

next day very stoned. happy, feeling kinda lazy, good body buzz. lasted all day. swim woke up stoned and went to bed stoned.

next day woke up still very stoned. pleasant but swim started to worry about how long this might last. about halfway through the day the high lessened to about 75%.

next day woke up normal.

swim thinks you need good fresh material to get results. do not take too much. if you don't get anything, then your not going to, do not redose for atleast 3 days, or you risk running into serious problems.

overall good, constipation. eat only fruit & drink lots of water. swim would try again, but it is hard for swim to devote 2.5 days to being stoned.

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Dosing information insuficient, could kill you depending on the size of the capsules, inaccurate information.

[Isaiah]

I wanted to clarify my initial post, Swim thinks that nutmeg is a wonderful drug if you know what to expect, and use it properly, but, if you don't have any previous experiences with deleriants, don't start up with using nutmeg, it's a great deal more powerful than most similar deleriants. It was Swim's first experience with drugs, at the age of 13, he took about 1 1/2 tablespoons like he was supposed to, yet, my heart was racing for about 3 hours straight, it was the closest to death swim's ever, yet, he couldn't tell his mother, of course, She would have killed him. Swim still experiences that, but, he had to use nutmeg at least 3 different times before he got used to that feeling. It's somewhat frightening, and very prevelent. Just wanted to let you all know.

~Isaiah

[lem]

When SWIY says he used 1.5 tablespoons, does that mean filling 1.5 tablespoons with powder? SWIM has found grinding up one nutmeg kernel (~5-6g) will basically fill a tablespoon. SWIM finds it much more accurate to talk about nutmeg in terms of absolute weight for this reason. If indeed SWIY means 1.5 tablespoons as ~20g, then this is about 4 kernels, which is indeed a huge dose to begin with!

SWIM remembers first doing a 4 kernel dose, 20g (previously SWIM only had 1-2 kernels at a time, 5-10g), and he compared it to smoking moderate to strong cannabis.


On another note, SWIM has also experienced delirium induced by fever/infection. SWIM says nutmeg's effects differ markedly from delirium. SWIM's delirium while feverish was more like true hallucinations, which could not be distinguished from reality (SWIM complained that his bed sheets were "too big" to his mother). SWIM's experience with nutmeg has never yielded such effects, even on the large 45-55g doses. SWIM would be more inclined to classify nutmeg as an empathogen/euphoriant, with some characteristics of a psychedelic (due to closed-eye visuals, though mild).

[Isaiah]

Originally Posted by lem

When SWIY says he used 1.5 tablespoons, does that mean filling 1.5 tablespoons with powder? SWIM has found grinding up one nutmeg kernel (~5-6g) will basically fill a tablespoon. SWIM finds it much more accurate to talk about nutmeg in terms of absolute weight for this reason. If indeed SWIY means 1.5 tablespoons as ~20g, then this is about 4 kernels, which is indeed a huge dose to begin with!

SWIM remembers first doing a 4 kernel dose, 20g (previously SWIM only had 1-2 kernels at a time, 5-10g), and he compared it to smoking moderate to strong cannabis.


On another note, SWIM has also experienced delirium induced by fever/infection. SWIM says nutmeg's effects differ markedly from delirium. SWIM's delirium while feverish was more like true hallucinations, which could not be distinguished from reality (SWIM complained that his bed sheets were "too big" to his mother). SWIM's experience with nutmeg has never yielded such effects, even on the large 45-55g doses. SWIM would be more inclined to classify nutmeg as an empathogen/euphoriant, with some characteristics of a psychedelic (due to closed-eye visuals, though mild).

Hi, SWIM was referring to pre-ground nutmeg, he's never used fresh, but, preground with 1.5 tablespoons is plenty.

~Isaiah

[lem]

Originally Posted by Isaiah

Hi, SWIM was referring to pre-ground nutmeg, he's never used fresh, but, preground with 1.5 tablespoons is plenty.

SWIY has never tried freshly grated/ground (or chewed)? SWIM would be very interested to hear the report if SWIY ever does such a thing. SWIM suspects fresh would have a different phytochemical profile to pre-ground, as the constituents have not been exposed to air (as much).

[Taken]

Back when Swim used to run out of weed he would take nutmeg. He took 15 grams of pre ground nutmeg with no side effects and that got him real fucked up. He couldn't sleep cause his legs ware all wobbly and he felt like he was gonna fall of the bed. He felt great but the day after he was dumb feeling and felt sick. Next time He took 10 Grams and it was all good. After that he was scared to go to 15 grams again but couldn't get as high any more so he waited a few months and then took 28 grams. It didn't do any thing but make him puke 5 hours later.

[Isaiah]

Originally Posted by lem

SWIY has never tried freshly grated/ground (or chewed)? SWIM would be very interested to hear the report if SWIY ever does such a thing. SWIM suspects fresh would have a different phytochemical profile to pre-ground, as the constituents have not been exposed to air (as much).

Agreed. Swim will try that tomorrow morning, and get back to you in 4 days, since he'll be in no state of mind to write anything within that time frame. Thanks.

~Isaiah

[bloot]

SWIM has had awful experiences with nutmeg.. The side effects definitely outweigh the high.. And this is even if SWIY can get the nutmeg down which is nearly impossible due to it's dry chalky texture. Each time SWIM has used nutmeg it has taken upwards of 24 hours to actually feel the effects and when it does hit it puts one in a dreamy lightheaded state feeling almost like it does when one is coming down off of pot which will also include nausea and dysphoria. SWIM doesn't really know anyone who would want to achieve these effects unless one was being drug tested for probation or a job. But, if one was in this situation they could easily just trip on a hallucinogen such as a research chemical or psilocybin mushrooms or acid.. One could even just acquire some legal bud such as spice. SWIM really would not suggest ingesting nutmeg no matter what the circumstances..

Hope this helped!

[Isaiah]

Originally Posted by bloot

SWIM has had awful experiences with nutmeg.. The side effects definitely outweigh the high.. And this is even if SWIY can get the nutmeg down which is nearly impossible due to it's dry chalky texture. Each time SWIM has used nutmeg it has taken upwards of 24 hours to actually feel the effects and when it does hit it puts one in a dreamy lightheaded state feeling almost like it does when one is coming down off of pot which will also include nausea and dysphoria. SWIM doesn't really know anyone who would want to achieve these effects unless one was being drug tested for probation or a job. But, if one was in this situation they could easily just trip on a hallucinogen such as a research chemical or psilocybin mushrooms or acid.. One could even just acquire some legal bud such as spice. SWIM really would not suggest ingesting nutmeg no matter what the circumstances..

Hope this helped!

Well, decent argument, but, nutmeg isn't so hard to down, just swallow it preground, and, immediately drink whatever liquid you dig (Swim uses tea to counteract the flavor), swim's also been using nutmeg about 10 times a month since the age of 13, yet, no negative effects such as nausea and dysphoria, guess it all just depends who takes it, also, acid and shrooms are illegal and far more expensive than nutmeg, so, that's another advantage.

~Isaiah

[lem]

Originally Posted by Isaiah

Well, decent argument, but, nutmeg isn't so hard to down, just swallow it preground, and, immediately drink whatever liquid you dig (Swim uses tea to counteract the flavor), swim's also been using nutmeg about 10 times a month since the age of 13, yet, no negative effects such as nausea and dysphoria, guess it all just depends who takes it, also, acid and shrooms are illegal and far more expensive than nutmeg, so, that's another advantage.

~Isaiah

WOW!!

SWIY has probably used more than SWIM (~2kg over 1.5 years). Does SWIY have any estimates on his total consumption? Also that sounds very frequent. Ten times per month, on average that is once every three days. How is SWIY's tolerance? Do the effects mostly disappear the next day? SWIM would suspect, with the way nutmeg affects him, that SWIY may not have had much time without the influence of nutmeg since SWIY was 13..

SWIM thanks SWIY in advance for his reports.

[Isaiah]

Originally Posted by lem

WOW!!

SWIY has probably used more than SWIM (~2kg over 1.5 years). Does SWIY have any estimates on his total consumption? Also that sounds very frequent. Ten times per month, on average that is once every three days. How is SWIY's tolerance? Do the effects mostly disappear the next day? SWIM would suspect, with the way nutmeg affects him, that SWIY may not have had much time without the influence of nutmeg since SWIY was 13..

SWIM thanks SWIY in advance for his reports.

Ya, it's a lot, but, Swim uses combos, such as nutmeg and salvia, so, it's not as excessive as Swiy might think, sorry, I don't have any estimates. Swim's tolerance is very good, unlike years ago, he can have decent judgment, and can, with some difficulty, carry out basic tasks, and carry on with conversation. Yeah, basically from a day to a day and a half is how long they last. Life's good on nutmeg .

Hope this helps! Swim'll do fresh nutmeg tomorrow and let you know.

~Isaiah

[iwannabestraight]

Just trying it now for the first time. Despite my expectations the threads realy helped, so cheers and wish me luck

[sonic.iggy]

Thanks for the response, I'll post in both threads

so far my friend seems to be mildly stimulated, and has been doing cleaning chores haha

[horse!]

SWIM snorted nutmeg once, despite all the reviews that deterred SWIM. SWIM only snorted maybe .5 grams but SWIM started to have a good trip within 10 minutes, faster than he expected, mostly because SWIM had only eaten it before. SWIM didn't actually think it smelled that bad. But the high only lasted SWIM 2 hours which is good for some people.

[Potter]

People should not be putting nutmeg up their nose. This isn't a pure substance, it has no history of nasal use, it's a stupid risk to take.

Sure, there's a chance it's safe, but there's a far more likely chance it's not.

[anonuser30500]

Ah, nutmeg!

Or should that be, arrrgghhh! nutmeg!!!!

Swim read about this as a young-un, and Swim and the pack discussed it for a while until yours truly volunteered.

The method, was pretty much one of those thrown together affairs, happened out of the blue when Swim found a jar of nutmeg powder in the house. Swim then got a pint bottle, washed it, then made a funnel out of paper and let that good old reddish powder slip into the bottle.

And then, cold water was poured from the tap. Swim shook the bottle madly, it was shaken till it was a foaming mess of reddish looking crap. Looked foul but Swim added more water will it was almost full. Pint of nutmeg, Swim thought, and looked forward to getting high off this natural and cheap as hell high.

Hell, a man could pretty much fill a trolley up with kilos of this stuff, have enough drugs to get the entire town high!

Swim set out with his bottle of nutmeg brew and met up with the pack. Swim presented the bottle for inspection. The pack sniffed, some stated their doubt this would do anything, but another, who read a book about prisons, stated that prisoners get high off this shit all the time.

Swim nodded to the positive, and dismissed the negatives as bullshit.

So, down it goes, right?

Glug, glug, glug, er, what the fuck in the name of hell is this?

Glug, glug, instant nausea, not from a drug, but the fact that powdered nutmeg was clogging up Swims throat. This was painful, VERY painful. Swim glugged, almost got that sucker down, but with a few inches left, piles of nutmeg like sand shifted down the thoat of Swim. Too much to cope with. Arrghhh, this is like burning my throat!

Swim threw up, taste of nutmeg was pretty much in my eyes by now. Steaming eyes, teary with nutmeg tears, and nutmeg snot, dribbling down the front of Swims nose, just before the nutmeg saliva trails, leading up to sporadic vomit.

This happened in the afternoon, sunny day, and quite a few witnessed Swim in this mess. The pack, laughing, explained about the nutmeg.

Swim hates being sick, and eventually took a break to shower, wash teeth, and thankfully manage something to eat,

As for the 'high', the main high was when the taste of nutmeg gradually went away. A nausea hung about that taste, Swims stomach fighting the mess of nutmeg, the taste burped up, reminding Swim of his mistake.

Swim now realises his method was pretty silly, but still hoped for some kind of high. Maybe powdered nutmeg is not good, but no way would Swim grind up real nutmegs to try it out. In fact, Swim will not eat anything with nutmeg in it to this say.

As for nutmeg snorting, Swim has that crap coming out of his nose, with specks of nutmeg showing up for hours. Snorting it would be akin to EST, maybe a last resort if your on a clifftop thinking life cannot get any worse.

Yes it can.

Feeling bad and snorting nutmeg would make the previous bad seem like a positive!

Each to their own I guess.

Good luck.

[Jack The Tripper]

SWIM decided to try this today. SWIM bought pre-ground nutmeg and some chocolate milk before reading this thread (good call). He read in a diffrent forum that 2 table spoons would do the trick so he took off the cap and poured 2 caps of the stuff (whichit more than a table spoon) into the chocolate milk and shook it up. I drank it all down on my way back home. I felt a little disoriented but that just might be placebo effect... now it is about 2 and a half hours later and SWIM has felt very little just some thirst. will post back at the 4 and 5 hr mark...

Jack The Tripper added 175 Minutes and 3 Seconds later...

And it is now 4:44 in the morning and SWIM is not at all high.... It has been 5 hours and 15 minutes and SWIM is not high! I am most positive i did it right however...it isn't working for me.

[lem]

Fresh kernels are the best way to go. I suspect that is why SWIY has no effects. SWIM recommends SWIY to use 1 kernel, either grated (on the parmesan cheese grater, just twist the kernel into the holes and it will powder), or ... bite kernel in half, fill mouth with chocolate milk, insert half kernel, chew until SWIY can't detect many large chunks, then swallow, repeat for other half of kernel. This method worked for SWIM every time.

Take a look at my post above for assessing kernel quality, but essentially: should be dense/solid, dark brown and oily looking, never yellow/grey and definitely not furry (mold).

SWIM stresses to try only 1 kernel, just in case SWIY gets intense effects from that. It's a long trip ... good if it's pleasant, but a test of endurance if it's not.

Stay safe.

[ranceedpunk]

SWIM has a question for all the SWIY's out there who have tried nutmeg in different methods.SWIM has dried nutmeg,but it is not pre-grounded.So it's the whole nutmeg,but it isn't fresh.Is there a way of scaling the dose by a certain number of nutmegs?And is this whole dried nutmeg a lot worse than fresh ones?Should SWIM expect any kind of effect?
If some SWIY could help SWIM with his problem,SWIM would be so very thankful!

[lem]

Originally Posted by ranceedpunk

SWIM has a question for all the SWIY's out there who have tried nutmeg in different methods.SWIM has dried nutmeg,but it is not pre-grounded.So it's the whole nutmeg,but it isn't fresh.Is there a way of scaling the dose by a certain number of nutmegs?And is this whole dried nutmeg a lot worse than fresh ones?Should SWIM expect any kind of effect?
If some SWIY could help SWIM with his problem,SWIM would be so very thankful!

I will be happy to help SWIY. Personally I've never seen "fresh" nutmegs in the shops, neither has SWIM. The best I found one day was a dried nutmeg still in its shell (it rattled ). SWIM is interested in picking fresh nutmeg some day to try it, see if the effects are any different.

So to answer SWIY's question, the whole, unground nutmeg kernels SWIY is talking about are classed as "fresh". And yes, SWIY should expect effects from that if it's good quality (ie. not hollow, powdery, grey inside).

What does SWIY mean about scaling the dose? One nutmeg kernel weighs between 3 and 7g with the majority being around 5g. SWIM says one kernel is the dose to start with, then scale by number of kernels (or if SWIY is pedantic, powder them and weight the powder in lots of 5 grams).

SWIM reminds all the SWIYs that the quality of nutmeg can vary quite considerably. Dark, brown, solid, slightly oily! Never hollow, powdery, furry, grey or yellow or (dusty) dry! There can be nutmeg kernels which fall half way in between these two states, best to just discard anything that isn't close to 100%.