Drug info - LSD basics

[chAos]

Originally Posted by Absinth91

Also, how do you find out like how much is actully on the paper, and how much of it you would need... are there any pics out there that show me what LSD looks like while on the paper, i looked in the drug pictures section but could not find.

thanks a lot, sorry for the noobie questions

Swiy can't know how much lsd is on the blotter. Probably the person selling it doesn't know it either. You can't see the lsd on a blotter because it is way to little. According to erowid a blotter usually contains between 30 and 100 microgram of lsd, but there are blotters with way more lsd. Also a lot of blotters sold as lsd are in fact a DOx compound. On the first time swiy shouldn't take more as one blotter.

Swiy should read a lot more about lsd before trying it. Be safe and good luck.

EDIT: and to answer your other question, swim keeps the blotter in his mouth untill he is tripping, then he might swallow it, he doesn't really know.

[Jatelka]

SWIJ suggests SWIY starts with the LSD Info pages here...

http://www.drugs-forum.com/lsd.html

and the LSD experiences thread here...

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9499

These will provide much info and basic background on this wonderful molecule.

[Henfer]

so, as everybody tells swim different, and the internet as well:

how long does the tolerance last until it's gone completely? swim thinks, it's about 5-7 days. some people told him 3 weeks, some 3 days.

[aaronitotheburrito]

ive never done acid. or even seen it except in pictures.
what exactly is a hit? licking the paper?

[Micklemouse]

Hit = single dose (1 blotter, microdot, drop from bottle). Being an illicit drug with no quality control/standardised amount of drug per hit the actual dose (amount of lsd) per hit will vary greatly.

[Jatelka]

Henfer: Not sure of the exact time, a week to 10 days would be an educated guess

[Jatelka]

LSD is a remarkably non-toxic drug, with few (if any) adverse physical effects. The estimated LD50 (dose at which 50% of subjects die) for humans is estimated at 12,000-14,000mcg LSD. There are reports in the literature of individuals ingesting 40,000mcg of LSD and surviving unscathed.

There are some reports of hyperthermia syndromes with LSD, but again these have only been reported with doses of LSD in vast excess of normal.

Even when used repeatedly over long periods of time LSD is not addictive and there is no withdrawal syndrome on discontinuation of use. However if LSD is used daily for several days tolerance to its hallucinogenic effects will build up, meaning a user requires larger doses of LSD to achieve the same result. This tolerance disappears if LSD is abstained from for several days. Cross-tolerance to mescaline and psilocybin also occurs.

Other than accidents, acute dangers of LSD are limited to a person being unable to cope with the thoughts and feelings engendered by the trip.

[GenaroXVIII]

I know that people talk about the strength of different hits of lsd being different dosages, and that you can't figure out for sure what any particular hit will have. But can the flourescence that a blotter has under black light show anything about the concentration of lsd, at least in comparison to other blotters?

[geezaman]

SWIM believes the rule is if it glows it could be LSD, and if not its not LSD but either nothing or somthing else which SWIY likley wont be able to find out...... just out of interest how are SWIY expecting degrees of flourecence, assuming SWIY is refering to a judgement by eye, to be conveyed in text over the internet.... there has to be a way.... SWIMs just wondering?

[Jatelka]

Heat destroys LSD. Attempting to smoke it would be a complete waste of time (and drugs)

[Nagognog2]

Yes it's true. Tolerance to LSD develops rapidly.

[nononono15]

so swim is wondering... whats sos scary about LSD. he has never done it but he has always heard of things like "make sure ur in a good environment and make sure ur happy." what kind of things can happen if u have a mild or bad trip on lsd. do u see deamons or killer birds or something?

[someone999]

Originally Posted by KBLSD

theres nothing scary about lsd unless u do it in a bad enviorment or situiation,
you wont see any scary demons or pink rabbits dancing around but shit will be morphing moving and melting when it shouldnt and you might have some mad trails and be considered mentally un-stable for the next 8 hours after you take it, but its not scary unless you make it that way. swim took some at a theme park and road roller coasters man and had a blast so sitting in ur house tripping balls shouldnt be a problem for you, unless you have a history of mental illness in your family or if you have mental illness

Swim tryed LSD 3 days ago and he has anxiety and mental disorders so the psychiatrist's said. Swims trip was enjoyable, the first few hours he was prone to hysterical fits, shimmering of surfaces and colorful rainbows appearing from staring at a colored surface for too long.
Swim was very worried about having a bad trip because of his mental health and the fact he was going to be tripping in the city for the some of the peak. The ci watys very busy and made for some intresting visuals such as when swim spun around quickly everything turned into a slow motion blur and everyone's bodys morphing into the space where it should have been. Swims thinks that set and setting aren't important to him even though he thought they would be for a person without any mental ilness. Swim believes that the trip is influenced by how Swiy is feeling before and in the trip, if Swiy is relaxed, content and happy then he/she should be fine.

[geezaman]

SWIM has not done LSD but his understanding of bad trips on it was that rather than what you might see it is the emotions that are linked with it.... A bad dream or nightmare is only so bad because you belive it is real. SWIMs own experience of hallucinations on mushroom, mdma and a few other things are that the hallucinations often have a mood, so if SWIY is in a bad mood, their imagination will tend to make their hallucinations of bad things. can someone with experience say whether SWIM is about right?

[nononono15]

theres nothing scary about lsd unless u do it in a bad enviorment or situiation,

yeah, thats what ive heard, but whats so scary about being in an uncomfortable envrionment or situation. What happens in a bad trip?

[KBLSD]

Originally Posted by nononono15

theres nothing scary about lsd unless u do it in a bad enviorment or situiation,

yeah, thats what ive heard, but whats so scary about being in an uncomfortable envrionment or situation. What happens in a bad trip?

you just get bad vibes and you get scary thoughts and you just feel really really bad and sometimes people have a horrible time because they want the drug to end but they still have like 8 hours left and it just makes the trip very bad

[Capn_Danger]

Originally Posted by KBLSD

you just get bad vibes and you get scary thoughts and you just feel really really bad and sometimes people have a horrible time because they want the drug to end but they still have like 8 hours left and it just makes the trip very bad

SWIM finds your mind tends to kind of tumble from one thought to another, like a slinky tumbling down a spiral staircase (to use a wacky metaphor). SWIM has gotten stuck in thoughts or feelings, kind of suspended in them for long periods or looping around in them over and over again. That can be marvelous or horrible... and its REALLY easy to get carried or swept away into experiences that are way more intense or deep than they normally are.

[Capn_Danger]

If you do run into a rough trip, here's some things to keep in mind.

Plan ahead of time to avoid trouble by only tripping in company and surroundings you feel comfortable with.

However, things don't always happen according to plan, so if you're uncomfortable with your surroundings or company, for the love of Robot Jesus go find somewhere where you do feel safe, secure, and comfortable if you're able.

If you're feeling overwhelmed, scared, anxious or whatever don't fight that feeling. That just makes you more anxious and distressed, SWIM finds. Just let it happen, be aware of it, and accept it. If you can tell yourself "Its just a feeling, its only temporary, things were fine before I dropped so they must be OK now, it'll pass, etc" that can make a big difference. Who knows, you might even come to understand yourself better if you open up to a difficult experience... SWIM has, for sure. He's had some incredibly difficult trips for sure: but only one genuinely bad one which was solely because of bad company.

What you should do is go somewhere where you feel safe and comfortable, find a trusted friend and let them know whats going on, and distract yourself if you need to calm down. Get out the crayons, glowsticks, playdough, music instruments or what have you and give your mind something to do besides run in circles! Above all, remember that you're tripping and you'll be sober before too long . It gets easier the more experience you have.

Reputation Comments on this post:

	Wise advice. Thanks for sharing
	true...good advise!

[nononono15]

swim has never done lsd, and seems to misunderstand what lsd actually does. Since lsd is now readily avaiblabe in his area, he desires to trip once to just witness what it is like. however, numerous rumors of really bad trips have always followed this drug. swim has had one bad trip from dxm and he remmebers it to be very scary. but im sure a bad trip on lsd is very different. what kind of thoughts are jumbled up and become scary? can anyone tell me first hand their experience with a bad trip.. with what they felt or saw? swim really wants to try this drug but is kind of pushed away with the thought of a bad trip.

[Capn_Danger]

It can really be anything, really. Anything that might make you feel bad or uncomfortable in your everyday experience, but the experience tends to be magnified and deepened. You can really fall into something that would normally just be mild and not too big of a deal. Personal problems in your life tend to bubble to the front. Also, your surroundings and company play a big part in it. Make sure you're comfortable with both. Heck, even start tripping by meditating before you come up- an open, relaxed, accepting mindset and a still heart does WONDERS to make a good trip.

SWIM had a VERY difficult trip once, he had 3 hits (never had that much before, had only been tripping a few months!) in a house full of 9 people on acid new years eve last year (they were all close friends and it was his own house, so that part was actually quite nice). SWIM started thinking about the issues he was currently dealing with, feeling lonely over a semi-recent breakup, dealing with being kinda socially awkward and trying to get over being shy. It was kind of like the dam broke, and a lot of memories from his past came flooding back. A lot of painful experiences that made him the way he was. It was incredibly painful and dark, because it was just so much truth and self-awareness all at once, and SWIM had spent more effort avoiding his issues than confronting them head-on (I think most of us do that more than we realize).

So, SWIM was acting really weird by the end of the trip and was quite depressed and despondent for about 6 weeks afterwards. It was an incredibly difficult trip.

About 3 months later though, SWIM couldn't believe how much personal growth he had experienced, and that he had pretty much gotten completely over his ex. Today SWIM can't believe how confident and self assured he is, how many friends he has, how awesome his current girlfriend is. SWIM is shocked that he was able to deal with such deep-rooted issues so thoroughly. SWIM understands and likes himself much much much better now, but it was a LOT of hard work! Hard work that began with a powerful trip experience.

So, the most painful and difficult trip SWIM has ever had actually turned out to be one of the best. A difficult trip isn't necessarily a bad trip, it's all in what you make of it. A lot of the difficulties that come up just come right from your own head, its just when you're on LSD everything is opened up and shuffled around, and you can't muster your usual denials, defense mechanisms, and distractions. Psychedelic means "to see or view the mind". That can be rough sometimes, but it's only truly bad if your close your mind to the truth you're being shown and try to fight what you're being shown.

P.S.- 90% of SWIM's trips have ranged from decent to awesome, even with things like that.

Reputation Comments on this post:

	Thanks for sharing that! Great info for the inexperienced.
	Lovely post - nice explanation of the dynamics of a negative experience, & how it can lead to positive outcames

[KillroyMindless]

doing acid on your own really depends on what type of person you are. But lots of people like to have a person there to reassure them there ok if things turn bad.
and it could assumed that someone handling something theyve never tried before fine. but if swiy is experienced in hallucinagens swiy should be ok. even if the trips feel different than what swiy is use to swiy shouldnt stop himself from trying it or enjoying it

[Dantes]

Swim heard that taking aspirin during a trip snaps you out of it, swim is pretty sure it was aspirin though isn't 100% on that, wondering whether this is fact or fiction, whether it is safe to do this and if it is something other than aspirin that does this.

[ReAlitY-HoLds-NonE]

There is absolutly no way of pulling out of a trip when one takes that LSD hit... theres no stopping it once its started.. an aspirin stops a headache, LSD is a headfuck (a good 'fuck' though) haha...

[Panthers007]

Originally Posted by ReAlitY-HoLds-NonE

There is absolutly no way of pulling out of a trip when one takes that LSD hit... theres no stopping it once its started.. an aspirin stops a headache, LSD is a headfuck (a good 'fuck' though) haha...

Umm...close. One could be put into a drug-induced coma. However just explaining to the person that they took a drug, and it will wear off, is generally enough. Really agitated folk can be treated with valium or ativan - or another benzodiazepine.

Taking aspirin, vitamin c, the fur from a toad, etc, - won't do jack. Perhaps as a placebo, but that's in another realm. I've seen placebos work, so I can't discount such. But I'd suggest sticking to science and education.

[pipolito]

if someone was to get lsd on a blotter, what is the way to get the most out of it ?

I guess : sublingual for 20-30 minutes and then swallow on semi-empty stomach ?