Opium basics

[chillinwill]

Originally Posted by jmalanni

This is gonna seem like a noobish question but what exactly is opium? Does it feel like oxycodone? If so how much opium would I have to eat/smoke to get the same feeling as 40mg oxycodone plugged? Assuming I have a minor tolerance.

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[samuraigecko]

SWIM tells one to post this

Laos is not the only place you will find a real opium den. When one searches one can find. SWIM has visited many dens and places of production in Laos / Burma / Cambodia / Thailand and other Asia minor and S.E.Asian countries.
SWIM has been and will continue to go to S.E.Asia for over 20 years now.
Opiate alkaloids are destroyed by vaporization and dispersion at temps over 80deg-C the melting point mentioned may be wrong for some reason.
A smokable dose is always smaller than an oral dose, though research doses well before considering attempting.
One can bleed a hell of alot more than 50mg from one pod if certain methods are used. 50mg would be 0.05gm, a very small amount. SWIM weighed his taking from ONE bleed from ONE pod alone and it weighed 0.4gm and still has alot of bleeds to go on that pod.
One can extract a rather HIGH grade of opium and not a low grade from poppy pods when done right. This is actually how the majority of the opium which is produced by middle eastern / Asian countries is actually made for export into the illegal drug markets of the world. Firstly the pods are bled and latex collected, then the pods are cut 10cm down from the top of the pod. Seeds are extracted and kept for next season. Pods and partial stems are dried, the resulting "poppy straw" is then ground into a fine material and combined with the latex. This is all put into a water solution and an extraction is performed then filtered so to get out all latex by-products / plant fats / left over plant material (similar to what has already been posted) and when finished this is all pressed into blocks. (This is raw "cooked" opium and is what is for sale to the people whom make the heroin around the world.) SWIM knows this because he has SEEN the locals do this with his very own eyes for a number of years, so one could debate it if they wanted but SWIM will always know what he saw with his own eyes to be true.

[samuraigecko]

SWIM has done the under the tongue thing, as awesome as it was he hated the taste and prefers the more instant hit of smoking. As most know the Opium is vaporized then the vapors are then condensed in the lungs which then introduces the opiates into the bloodstream and is fairly instantaneous. The only "faster" method is IV and one would not recommend trying to IV Opium in any way unless one wants to collapse a vein. LOL.

[MadShroomer]

Originally Posted by samuraigecko

The only "faster" method is IV and one would not recommend trying to IV Opium in any way unless one wants to collapse a vein. LOL.

SWIM was being stupid and actually I.V.'d 1cc of 'Poppy Tea' concentrate from 1 medium purple colored pod. SWIM made sure to heat with distilled water and let it soak for 15 minutes, then filtered, gradualy heated using short burst in microwave, reducing volume and filtering through coffee filter. SWIM repeated this two or three times total till about 3ml of liquid remained in glass. After I.V. there was an intense HEATWAVE and sever stomach discomfort! SWIM had to sit on toiled and ended up taking a shower it was so bad. SWIM's friend said it sounded like a high dose of codeine and wouldn't recommend doing that again. SWIM agrees.
SWIM wonders how those "opium addicts" SWIM's seen on specials manage to inject straight opium like that...
SWIM much prefers drinking the new 6-MAM cook using regular Vinegar 5% from grocery. WOW that's good soup!

MadShroomer added 1 Minutes and 47 Seconds later...

Originally Posted by Jonny8888

SWIM has already smoked small amounts of opium, with little a small buzz but nothing big. It didnt seem to effect SWIMS breathing, only negative SWIM did notice is he found himself feeling hotter than usual. SWIM intends to try some bigger amounts soon and will slowly work up to a comfortable high.

Sounds like its mostly codeine. SWIM would recommend disolving in a small amount of HOT vinegar (5%) and allowing to react for a few hours then SWIM would eat it (oral).
SWIY would be very pleased with results

MadShroomer added 5 Minutes and 22 Seconds later...

Originally Posted by Taren

Swim wants to know what the best thing to do with poppy pods is, like, for maximum potency. He has some, and very likely a decent supply for the next couple months. He also wants to know whether he should cut them while they're still on the plant, and then come back to get the sap, or take off the seed pods and then cut them, or do something with the whole seed pods or what?

And is there anything he can do without fancy equipment or expensive chemicals that will put it into an injectable form? Swim likes needles.

SWIM believes the cutting and scrapping pods is too much work.
Wait a week after the flower petals drop and SWIM says to cut the pod from the plant at the base of the stem where it meets the nearest leaf. This makes it grow more pods. After a bunch of these are collected, take the dried POD and 2" of stem below it. SWIM saves the seeds for growing and puts the straw/pods in near boiling vinegar 5% (heated for 20 minutes on medium heat) and puts lid on it with towel under neath to create reflux. SWIM says Heat on low for 2 hours and then filter through paper towel/cloth into pot and continue heating on low for 1 hour, then filter through coffee filter. SWIM tasted a few table spoons and INDEED its 6-MAM and is WAY BETTER than regular Opi-yum. WOWZA!

[Quilty]

If SWIY has some poppy tea using about 10 pods, how long should they wait before all of it is washed out of their system so the next high is as good as the first. I.E. How quickly do you build up tolerance on poppy tea?

[samuraigecko]

Originally Posted by Quilty

If SWIY has some poppy tea using about 10 pods, how long should they wait before all of it is washed out of their system so the next high is as good as the first. I.E. How quickly do you build up tolerance on poppy tea?

One will probably find that the effect of that first high will never be achieved again. However if one were to wait a week or two, even a month, then the effects will be noticeably stronger.

Hope this has helped

[Ethyl]

Just to say that smoking is a lot faster in delivering to the brain then IVing.. Coke IV users/smokers can verify this..

Its a lot less efficient too. Cause when you inject some of the substance is lost in your body before it reaches your brain, when you smoke the route is shorter/faster, so less substance is lost. This counts only when comparing with smoke all at once without destroying versus iving.

[Herb Shaman]

Swim recently recieved .75 grams of true red rock(rocket) opium and was wondering if swim could use the empty lightbulb to vaporize it? If yes, how much should swim's FIRST dose be?

Thank you for your knowledge.

[MarkyMayhem]

Originally Posted by Herb Shaman

Swim recently recieved .75 grams of true red rock(rocket) opium and was wondering if swim could use the empty lightbulb to vaporize it? If yes, how much should swim's FIRST dose be?

Thank you for your knowledge.

probably been said, but red-rock 'opium' is fake. it's an inscense/sap called Dragon's Blood. look it up

[chronicpain247]

when swim was much younger and didn't know anything about opiates, he used to get this stuff called red rock opium. it was mosty black with a reddish hue and red dust on the outside. it never did much except make him light headed and tasted like shit. swim later found out that this stuff was incense and there was a lot of it going around being sold as opium. opium should not be hard as a rock like that and it is not red. just a warning, not trying to say this is what you have the name just sounded the same, so be caredfull that u don't get burnt!

[apa]

Instead of refining opium the conventional way(sodium hydroxide and Ammonium chloride) could one do an acid base extraction like DMT and evaporate precipitate the 27 to 40 different alkaloids?

[chronicpain247]

swim is planning to get some good pods from an internet source and make some opium putty. he has tried this before but in his haste to evaporate the water he boiled to the water and burnt off all the good alkaloids. this was before he knew that u have to keep the temp below 80 C. swim thinks this is the reason why it did nothing for him when he smoked and ate it. swim is going to attempt this again and was wondering what would be the best way to make a homemade smoking setup. does anyone have a suggestion to make a smoking rig/pipe that would not destroy the opium alkaloids. swim was thinking about just using the old tin foil, candle and some kind off inhalation device, but if anyone has any better ideas swim would like to hear them.

[samuraigecko]

an oil burner.
a glass spoon, tea light candle and a pen.
a converted small light bulb.
hot knifing.

Or one could find a meth / ice style pipe. These are the best way. alternatively one may want to stick to the tin foil method as it does work and a fair number of people prefer it.

Hope this has helped.

[Herb Shaman]

Thanks for the warning Chron247 and the methods gecko.

But how much would Swim do for swim's first time.

[chronicpain247]

Originally Posted by Herb Shaman

Thanks for the warning Chron247 and the methods gecko.

But how much would Swim do for swim's first time.

no prob friend. I would hate to see someone spend their hard erned cash on fraudulent "O" plus I'm sure that smoking insence can't be good for you.

Originally Posted by samurai

an oil burner.
a glass spoon, tea light candle and a pen.
a converted small light bulb.
hot knifing.

samurai,
what is a glass spoon, hot knifing and an oil burner? plese explain in more detail, since this is all new to swim. and why not just use a stainless spoon instead? I mean swim used to smoke weed so he knows about pipes and bongs and such, but vaporization techniques are new to him. when u say oil burners do u mean those things that burn the scented oils for the home? and what is the method for making a light buld pipe? is there a link on this forum with instructions?
as for the meth/ glass pipe, can u find them at any old head shop or do u need to find some kind of special meth/crack head shop. maybe swim would have more luck finding one in the city. I don't think they would sell those in the country where I live, but I'm only about 30 minutes from the city and I know there is a head shop downtown.

[apa]

SWIM takes one of those pointed light bulbs and cuts off the tip of the threaded end and pulls out the guts. SWIM then takes a small blow torch and heats the tip of the bulb until it turns reddish orange. Then, take some pliers and pull off the tip of the light bulb, the heat will soften it(if you pass some air through the bulb when pulling off the tip the hole will form easier).

[samuraigecko]

Originally Posted by chronicpain247

samurai,
what is a glass spoon, hot knifing and an oil burner? plese explain in more detail, since this is all new to swim. and why not just use a stainless spoon instead? . . . .

These are oil burners. They are used by putting O on the dish and heating indirectly from underneath with a small "tea light" candle, then sucking up the vapors produced with some kind of straw. Preferably some kind of hard straw like a glass tube or an outer part of a pen. Surely SWIYou have seen these in all the hippy and incense shops.

A glass spoon is just that, a spoon made from glass. The reason for using glass rather than metal is partially preference, partially because of efficiency and health and partially because it looks cooler. When using a glass spoon and a "jet" style lighter one can easily see the flame through the glass rather than having to look underneath and swap stuff around etc. One can more easily determine the distance the lighter needs to be from the spoon etc. Glass spreads heat more evenly without hot spotting as much as metal. The smoke or vapor is sucked up in the same way as with the oil burner (which is the same way for tin foiling also).

Hot knifing. This is where you get two knives (butter knives usually) And heat them against an element or above a flame with the O trapped in between the two blades. The vapor / smoke is sucked up in the same way. (this is an extremely inefficient way to smoke O).

Glass meth and ice style pipes can be hard to get a hold of. Some head shops have them, some dont. All it basically is, is a glass bulb with a small opening attached to a glass tube (SWIyou have probably already seen pics etc) The O is put inside the small opening and the bulb is heated from underneath. SWIM finds a jet lighter to be best for this also and will explain why at the end of the post.

Making a meth/ice style pope is easy to do with a small light bulb. One can make the toking shaft out of just about anything cylindrical and attach a small light bulb with the guts of it emptied out (the element etc). One can easily put a hole into the metal part of the bulb to insert the O from. Or SWIyou can pack the bulb with sand tightly and tap a small hole into the glass SWIyourself with a small hole punch tap VERY carefully. When one used to do this he actually used a screw driver which he had sharpened to a point like a pencil and tapped his way through the glass very lightly. This will make a modern version of a "genuine" opium pipe.

The reason for using "jet" style lighters rather than ordinary lighters is because of sight, it makes it easier to see what SWIyou are doing because normal lighters tend to leave that black residue over things whereas the jet style lighters do not do that.

Hope this has been of help

[Jonny8888]

SWIM wants to know if would be safe to mix take opium while on anti-depressants (citalopram)

[cra$h]

swim would just watch out for low breathing rate, but swim doesn't have much experience with mixing opiates. heart rate might be a factor to.

for anyone looking to try opium for the 1st time, swim would suggest some experience with some hydro/oxycodone. it sets up a good base for what to expect. when smoking opium, just smoke up until you feel you've had enough. swim's 2nd time with opium he had a half gram to the face around 5-6pm and still felt a mild high the next morning. but the high swim has found is differant than the other opiates, how all of the pharmacuticals seem to just go up, up, up! while opium does have a come up, but after the 1st 2-3 hours (which is very similar to morphine, which swim has found to be very light and fun) it kicks into a typical oxycodone high (that stoney feeling, when you're just numb to everything), but a pretty decent dose of it. and the comedown, was, none. that's probably the biggest upsides to opium, is the extremely mild comedown compared to all of the other opiates.

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SWIM likes 6-MAM from Opium using Vinegar 5% and heat :) oral consumtion

[Jonny8888]

SWIM has already smoked small amounts of opium, with little a small buzz but nothing big. It didnt seem to effect SWIMS breathing, only negative SWIM did notice is he found himself feeling hotter than usual. SWIM intends to try some bigger amounts soon and will slowly work up to a comfortable high.

[patourkid]

Please read SWIgeckos thread about 6mam BEFORE trying this vinegar method this can be VERY dangerous!!! I can't remember where it is but I will try to find the link and post it.

patourkid added 6 Minutes and 32 Seconds later...

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sho...t=28533&page=3

I know back to back post are frowned upon but as us newbs can't edit heres the link to the post I was talking about scroll down to swigeckos post and read. Sorry if I'm out of line for speaking up here Swigecko, SWIM just wants people to be as safe as possible.

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Good advice. Hadn't seen that thread before.

[MadShroomer]

Originally Posted by patourkid

Please read SWIgeckos thread about 6mam BEFORE trying this vinegar method this can be VERY dangerous!!! I can't remember where it is but I will try to find the link and post it.

patourkid added 6 Minutes and 32 Seconds later...

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sho...t=28533&page=3

I know back to back post are frowned upon but as us newbs can't edit heres the link to the post I was talking about scroll down to swigeckos post and read. Sorry if I'm out of line for speaking up here Swigecko, SWIM just wants people to be as safe as possible.

Ah yes SWIM read this and knows about allergic reactions and the evils of MonoAcetylCodeine.
SWIM always takes some kind of anti-histamine daily (due to allergies) so SWIM hasn't had any kind of problem like that.
SWIM appreciates your concern and SWIM is concerned about other's not taking antihistamiens daily. Benedryl (Diphenhydramine) is an AMAZING drug

[adzket]

swim found some nice looking poppies with pink and purple flowers both colors on same leafs' they went back to day and flowers had come off and some crowns had straightend up so they gatherd some up. they have cut them and got some latex coming out but cut some to deep and they think they put to many cuts in some to. they are going to plant the seeds after. they only did this with half the pods they have about 30 at the mo. so they are going to be more carefull when they cut the rest and only put a cupple of cuts each day. because the plants are not in the ground any more they removed the green leaves and put the cut ones in a milk bottle and the un cut ones in a varse with warter is this advisable? or shold they take them out and alow to dry abit. they are going to go back to the area and collect some more so they can get all the laytex and try a water exstraction though they arenot going to use the pods just the latex they get they will inform swiy when they have done more on this exsperiment.

[MadShroomer]

Originally Posted by adzket

swim found some nice looking poppies with pink and purple flowers both colors on same leafs' they went back to day and flowers had come off and some crowns had straightend up so they gatherd some up. they have cut them and got some latex coming out but cut some to deep and they think they put to many cuts in some to. they are going to plant the seeds after. they only did this with half the pods they have about 30 at the mo. so they are going to be more carefull when they cut the rest and only put a cupple of cuts each day. because the plants are not in the ground any more they removed the green leaves and put the cut ones in a milk bottle and the un cut ones in a varse with warter is this advisable? or shold they take them out and alow to dry abit. they are going to go back to the area and collect some more so they can get all the laytex and try a water exstraction though they arenot going to use the pods just the latex they get they will inform swiy when they have done more on this exsperiment.

SWIM has discovered that morphine can be extracted from CPS (opium from poppy straw/pods) using 91% Isopropyl Alcohol. SWIM found 2.5g 'missing' from the puddy like opi. SWIM evaporates the yellow liquid.

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thanks can swiy help with next post if poss

[adzket]

Originally Posted by MadShroomer

SWIM has discovered that morphine can be extracted from CPS (opium from poppy straw/pods) using 91% Isopropyl Alcohol. SWIM found 2.5g 'missing' from the puddy like opi. SWIM evaporates the yellow liquid.

thank swiy for info where would one get isopropyl is it avalible over the counter is it a hard process? also please could swiy look at this thread i started as know one has yet helped swim with ?'s and they want to know befor they continue down this route seeing as it took them the best part of 2 and a half days http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=65740 thanks in advance to swiy