Drug info - Heroin Basics

[Alfa]

Please post info and questions on the basics ofheroin use here. Ways of use, Dosage, Background, toxicity, etc...

[pokergod0588]

how pure does heroin have to be to be able to snort it? i heard that if it used to be so impure that you had to shoot it and was just wondering not sure if it's true or not


also, whats a safe dosage for a beginner? (to shoot or snort)

[Alfa]

Shooting drugs, means bypassing the liver, which cleanses your body as a kind of safety measure. To shoot a drug, the drug needs to be purer than in case of other routes of administration.

[GETERDN]

Most of all the heroin on the street now can be snorted except of course black tar . even tar can be snorted but if first must be dissolved in a small amount of water then you snort the tar water .I wouldn't recommend it .it's a pain in the ass.


if you have never done heroin before I wouldn't suggest shooting it .and even snorting it for the first time I would want to be around someone who had done it before .


as far as dosages I would start out with just a match head bump,that is a pile about the size of a match head And work your way up from there . I am always very careful when trying a type of heroin that I haven't done before because you never really know how potent your dope is until you try it .I have done dope that only took me .025 gram to get off and then others that took me .25 gram. so you can see how easy it would be to overdose by underestimating the quality of your heroin .that's why I say do heroin with someone who is experienced . I consider myself pretty reckless in my drug use so I never do heroin alone , it's just too easy to overdose .

[bowlingforcindy]

i have a few questions

1. say a user like yourself geterdn, or anyone whos rreading, how much woould it take for YOU to overdose on.?

2. A matchstick head seems really small, how much would it take a beginner to geta good high on and how much to overdose for a beginner/first time use.

3. My m8 says you cant overdose when chasing the dragon, i thought what bollocks, surely you can overdose on everyway as herion is still going into your body?

4. whats more lethal? herion or alcahol. in the long termn like, who will suffer more physically. and who will die first if both addicted.

5. whast more lethal, heroin or morphine. is herion more addicting, or morphine, or does it just depend on the person who is taking it

6. i know you cant say prices here but how much cheaper is hereion than say a couple years ago, or 10 for that matter.i heard its really cheap now. dont have to give price just say is it more or less.

7. my m8 wanted me to try it but im still not sure and doubt i will, but as it would be my first time, would it also be safe to do after have crack, as this was his idea, free herion with crack was what he got. would this by safe for a first timer like me and how risky/

[GETERDN]

1.As I said before it really all depends on the quality of the heroin so it's hard to give you an exact amount . Tolerance builds up very quickly to heroin .a few years ago when I had a habitand a big tolerance I could do about five times as much my friends were doing . I remember once doing 2g of some decent H in one night's time .


2. I know a matchhead seems a little small but if you have some good H. that may be all you will need and if it's not just work up from there . I would say do a bump every fifteen minutes until you get the desired affects .


3. i am definitely not a fan of chasing the dragon .it seems like such a big waste to me . yes you can overdose by smoking H. it will most likely take more H. to overdose from smoking that will say from injecting but it will also take you more to get hi .


4.I'm not an expert on this subject and I'm sure they are others in this forum who can answer this better than me but it seems to me like I read something somewhere that said the long-term effects of heroin use were nothing compared to alcohol .


5. never was much of a morphine user because it always cost about twice as much as the heroin I was getting .


6. I can't say much about ten years ago because i really haven't been doing it that long but I have heard stories about the price of heroin in the 60's and 70's . I guess back then you could get a gram for around $20.00 but the purity was completely different back then also .that would be cool if someone here can come up with some more information about how the heroin has changed over the years .


7. SPEEDBALLIN is definitely my favorite way to do heroin or cocaine for that matter . my preferred route was always injection I would mix about 0.1 gr. heroin with 0.25 gr. Coke . it's hard to find the right mixture because you can do to much heroin and not really feel the coke or you can do to much coke and end up Jonesing or geeking ,but when you getit right is definitely a wild ride . and if you are doing something like crack, heroin would be the easiest and best way to come down . But I can't recommend it for first timers !!!!! I don't even think I would let my friends try it as it is so addicting and dangerous .to

[bowlingforcindy]

yes i really doubt i will ever do crack, even if my m8 had some, its a nasty name, and sounds nasty aswel, more so than heroin. thansk for answering questions m8.

so are you an addict or do you do it now and again but control your self to not do it more than once a week or so. how long does it take before you get physically addicted and how often must you be doing it for this to happen.

[GETERDN]

how long does it take before you get physically addicted and how often must you be doing it for this to happen. [/QUOTE]





3 days of steddy use

[bowlingforcindy]

damn i thought it was like 2 - 3 weeks. and one more question, sorry.

when your addicted physically and you wake up the next morning and find you have no H. what does your body go through for the rest of the day without any H. is it that bad.

[GETERDN]

cold sweats, flu like symptoms


It is that bad.Edited by: GETERDN

[bowlingforcindy]

(i think this will help H newbies into deciding whether to do it with all thes Q & A)

is it hard to concentrate on what you want to do, or is your mind just set on getting some more H no matter what

dam it does sound bad

[HeroInV]

Can someone please explain the differences in heroin 1 2 3 etc. which can be snorted and smoked, and wich are made for shooting?





thanks alot

[HeroInV]

how do u get all of the cut out of the heroin? how does the cotton ball work?

[GETERDN]

i wish i knew how to purify or remove cut from H. it would benice to do pure H.


the cotton ballis just to keep trash that dosnt disolve out of your rig. in a pinch you dont even need to use it but its not reccomended.


here is a tip. if no cotton can be found use a small piece of cigarette filter

[HeroInV]

so all u do is heat the h, and the put a cotton ball in the spoon. Then stick the syrnge in the cotton ball and squeeze?

[bogumil]

Originally Posted by GETERDN

i wish i knew how to purify or remove cut from H. it would benice to do pure H.

There is a procedure. Its pretty simple, I posted it into the opioid chemistry forum and added the link here.

With purified heroin you need only 5 - 25 mg. Be careful!

[GETERDN]

Originally Posted by HeroInV

so all u do is heat the h, and the put a cotton ball in the spoon. Then stick the syrnge in the cotton ball and squeeze?

1.bend the spoon so it lays flat, put your dope in the spoon.


2.draw up about 30 units in your syringe and add it to your dope in thespoon


3. heating the spoon to help disolve the dope is optional


4. place a small cotton ball about the size of a pea in spoon


5. place tip of your needle in cotton and draw up disolved dope


6. get the air out of your rig, find a vein ,


if you cant inject it yourself find someone who can

[HeroInV]

whats the safest way to use heroin? smoke snort or shoot?

[bogumil]

smoking. a very small percentage get brain anomalities from smoking, but snorting has a higher risk to od. the most economic is IV, then snorting, then smoking.Edited by: bogumil

[Chsethedragn]

so smoking is the safest and mainlining is the most economic?

[motorhead]

Here is a site that i found while googling about IM injection. This site was made for heroin users and i think it is laid out in an interesting and informative way and has much useful info in it, especially about safe injecting practices. I put the link in the coke forum under the IM'ing cocaine thread and thought i would put it here as well.


http://uk.geocities.com/brown_addict/indexpage.htm

[HeroInV]

if SWIM were to visit amsterdam, would H be easily purchased?????

[logan]

Answers to a few of the questions....



First of all, concerning the "heroin compared to morphine
question." Right after you shoot heroin and it comes in contact
with your opiate receptors in the brain, it turns into morphine.
All heroin addicts are actually addicted to morphine.



Secondly, replying to: "heating the heroin is optional when preparing
an IV hit." I would highly recommend cooking the dope. Who
knows what bacteria is living in it. Who knows how clean the lab
was that processed it. Lightly boil your shit as to not evaporate
too much.....atleast thats what I would do.



What Geterdn said about carefully trying your heroin is very good
advice. Every dealer is going to cut their shit
differently. It is important to be careful and test what you are
working with.



Responding to the prices of heroin. Prices have drastically
dropped, mostly due to the excessive production of Poppys/opium in
Afghanistan.



This is all you really need. This is my source of information.

www.heroinhelper.com

[logan]

One last thing........withdrawals:



hell, absolute hell. Flu like symptoms is only the half of
it. No sleep for about 3-4 weeks, anxiety, severe depression,
can't eat a thing, boredom. No matter how hard you try, it's
nearly impossible to get comfortable. All the while, as you
suffer through this utterly miserable state, you have to deal with the
lingering thought that a little bag of powder would cause all of your
horrible pain to disappear. It fucks your head.....been through
it too many times.

[Beltane]

I've read in several places that it technically takes 7 days to
completely detox off heroin. I can imagine the mental craving is
still there and very strong, tho not sleeping for 3-4 weeks doesn't
sound correct.



Also, say I'm wrong about this, then please refer to how bad a habit
this is indicative of. In Jerry Stahl's book he talks about
getting to sleep I think on day 4 and he was shooting more than I'm
guessing most people ever get to.



After a solid year of heavy meth use (very daily) SWIM was able to
sleep after just a couple days of coming off. And then of course
he slept A LOT



- B