Drug info - Heroin Basics

[Alfa]

Please post info and questions on the basics ofheroin use here. Ways of use, Dosage, Background, toxicity, etc...

[pokergod0588]

how pure does heroin have to be to be able to snort it? i heard that if it used to be so impure that you had to shoot it and was just wondering not sure if it's true or not


also, whats a safe dosage for a beginner? (to shoot or snort)

[JaWill88]

[quote=pokergod0588;77519]how pure does heroin have to be to be able to snort it? i heard that if it used to be so impure that you had to shoot it and was just wondering not sure if it's true or not


also, whats a safe dosage for a beginner? (to shoot or snort)[/quotco

cotton takes out a lot of the cut so people had to shoot it. it had so much cut in it that someone would not want to straight up snort or smoke it.

[Alfa]

Shooting drugs, means bypassing the liver, which cleanses your body as a kind of safety measure. To shoot a drug, the drug needs to be purer than in case of other routes of administration.

[GETERDN]

Most of all the heroin on the street now can be snorted except of course black tar . even tar can be snorted but if first must be dissolved in a small amount of water then you snort the tar water .I wouldn't recommend it .it's a pain in the ass.


if you have never done heroin before I wouldn't suggest shooting it .and even snorting it for the first time I would want to be around someone who had done it before .


as far as dosages I would start out with just a match head bump,that is a pile about the size of a match head And work your way up from there . I am always very careful when trying a type of heroin that I haven't done before because you never really know how potent your dope is until you try it .I have done dope that only took me .025 gram to get off and then others that took me .25 gram. so you can see how easy it would be to overdose by underestimating the quality of your heroin .that's why I say do heroin with someone who is experienced . I consider myself pretty reckless in my drug use so I never do heroin alone , it's just too easy to overdose .

[Orion, R.I.P]

Originally Posted by GETERDN

Most of all the heroin on the street now can be snorted except of course black tar . even tar can be snorted but if first must be dissolved in a small amount of water then you snort the tar water .I wouldn't recommend it .it's a pain in the ass.

Ha, First of all, where is SWIY that the H on the street ISN'T tar?

Swim has snorted tar. It stings like a bitch and tastes nasty going down the back of your throat, but it does work.

Orion, R.I.P added 2 Minutes and 56 Seconds later...

Originally Posted by oggy

This is how an addiction starts be careful Swiys and maybe look in the recovery section before you take that first puff.

This is so true. Not many say, "Hey I'm going to try and get addicted to this."
It's a slippery slope and hard to climb back up.

[amblerg]

Originally Posted by Orion, R.I.P

Ha, First of all, where is SWIY that the H on the street ISN'T tar?

uhhh east coast

[bowlingforcindy]

i have a few questions

1. say a user like yourself geterdn, or anyone whos rreading, how much woould it take for YOU to overdose on.?

2. A matchstick head seems really small, how much would it take a beginner to geta good high on and how much to overdose for a beginner/first time use.

3. My m8 says you cant overdose when chasing the dragon, i thought what bollocks, surely you can overdose on everyway as herion is still going into your body?

4. whats more lethal? herion or alcahol. in the long termn like, who will suffer more physically. and who will die first if both addicted.

5. whast more lethal, heroin or morphine. is herion more addicting, or morphine, or does it just depend on the person who is taking it

6. i know you cant say prices here but how much cheaper is hereion than say a couple years ago, or 10 for that matter.i heard its really cheap now. dont have to give price just say is it more or less.

7. my m8 wanted me to try it but im still not sure and doubt i will, but as it would be my first time, would it also be safe to do after have crack, as this was his idea, free herion with crack was what he got. would this by safe for a first timer like me and how risky/

[GETERDN]

1.As I said before it really all depends on the quality of the heroin so it's hard to give you an exact amount . Tolerance builds up very quickly to heroin .a few years ago when I had a habitand a big tolerance I could do about five times as much my friends were doing . I remember once doing 2g of some decent H in one night's time .


2. I know a matchhead seems a little small but if you have some good H. that may be all you will need and if it's not just work up from there . I would say do a bump every fifteen minutes until you get the desired affects .


3. i am definitely not a fan of chasing the dragon .it seems like such a big waste to me . yes you can overdose by smoking H. it will most likely take more H. to overdose from smoking that will say from injecting but it will also take you more to get hi .


4.I'm not an expert on this subject and I'm sure they are others in this forum who can answer this better than me but it seems to me like I read something somewhere that said the long-term effects of heroin use were nothing compared to alcohol .


5. never was much of a morphine user because it always cost about twice as much as the heroin I was getting .


6. I can't say much about ten years ago because i really haven't been doing it that long but I have heard stories about the price of heroin in the 60's and 70's . I guess back then you could get a gram for around $20.00 but the purity was completely different back then also .that would be cool if someone here can come up with some more information about how the heroin has changed over the years .


7. SPEEDBALLIN is definitely my favorite way to do heroin or cocaine for that matter . my preferred route was always injection I would mix about 0.1 gr. heroin with 0.25 gr. Coke . it's hard to find the right mixture because you can do to much heroin and not really feel the coke or you can do to much coke and end up Jonesing or geeking ,but when you getit right is definitely a wild ride . and if you are doing something like crack, heroin would be the easiest and best way to come down . But I can't recommend it for first timers !!!!! I don't even think I would let my friends try it as it is so addicting and dangerous .to

[W!SE]

7. SPEEDBALLIN is definitely my favorite way to do heroin or cocaine for that matter . my preferred route was always injection I would mix about 0.1 gr. heroin with 0.25 gr. Coke . it's hard to find the right mixture because you can do to much heroin and not really feel the coke or you can do to much coke and end up Jonesing or geeking ,but when you getit right is definitely a wild ride . and if you are doing something like crack, heroin would be the easiest and best way to come down . But I can't recommend it for first timers !!!!! I don't even think I would let my friends try it as it is so addicting and dangerous .to[/quote]

this interests swim very much so. his original experience with addy and oc's have been off the Fn charts on so many levels.

Swim knows that the speedballing swiYOU're referring to is more so the real deal.

swim's done a lot of research on it..finds it fascinating to combine such potent substances for a unique experience.

awesome ur my hero

[bowlingforcindy]

yes i really doubt i will ever do crack, even if my m8 had some, its a nasty name, and sounds nasty aswel, more so than heroin. thansk for answering questions m8.

so are you an addict or do you do it now and again but control your self to not do it more than once a week or so. how long does it take before you get physically addicted and how often must you be doing it for this to happen.

[GETERDN]

how long does it take before you get physically addicted and how often must you be doing it for this to happen. [/QUOTE]





3 days of steddy use

[bowlingforcindy]

damn i thought it was like 2 - 3 weeks. and one more question, sorry.

when your addicted physically and you wake up the next morning and find you have no H. what does your body go through for the rest of the day without any H. is it that bad.

[GETERDN]

cold sweats, flu like symptoms


It is that bad.Edited by: GETERDN

[bowlingforcindy]

(i think this will help H newbies into deciding whether to do it with all thes Q & A)

is it hard to concentrate on what you want to do, or is your mind just set on getting some more H no matter what

dam it does sound bad

[HeroInV]

Can someone please explain the differences in heroin 1 2 3 etc. which can be snorted and smoked, and wich are made for shooting?





thanks alot

[HeroInV]

how do u get all of the cut out of the heroin? how does the cotton ball work?

[GETERDN]

i wish i knew how to purify or remove cut from H. it would benice to do pure H.


the cotton ballis just to keep trash that dosnt disolve out of your rig. in a pinch you dont even need to use it but its not reccomended.


here is a tip. if no cotton can be found use a small piece of cigarette filter

[MsBrownstone]

Originally Posted by GETERDN

i wish i knew how to purify or remove cut from H. it would benice to do pure H.


the cotton ballis just to keep trash that dosnt disolve out of your rig. in a pinch you dont even need to use it but its not reccomended.


here is a tip. if no cotton can be found use a small piece of cigarette filter

Its not a great idea to use cigarette filters instead of cotton, it can lead to other problems. there are better substitutes..

For beginners, wondering how much they should do before they will overdose, remember, you can always do a little bit more if you're not high enough, but there's no way to take it back if you do too much.. A match head sized bump may seem tiny, but start with something like that, wait a few minutes, and do a little bit more.

MsBrownstone added 6 Minutes and 35 Seconds later...

Originally Posted by Junkhead23

Actually using any amount 3 days in a row is sufficient to induce withdrawal

Once you've had a habit and you clean up, if you relapse it seems like you don't even have to do it for three days straight, it seems like the physical withdrawals and dependency come right back.
Sway always hears withdrawind described as "flu-like symptoms.." and thats pretty accurate, although everyone's symptoms are different. And its alot worse, mentally, because when you have the flu, you have really no choice but to lie back and suffer and ride it out.. when you're dope sick, you know that one little hit would bring the sun right out and you'd be good as new. The mental side of the withdrawal is what always gets sway..

MsBrownstone added 3 Minutes and 48 Seconds later...

Originally Posted by Randomdanceing

Hello Fellow Swims.
Just wondering Swim was searching somewhere and found that Whitechina couldint be smoked via chaseing the dragon.
Now swim is reading somewhere and it seis you can use powerder for smokeing. i live on us east coast and most common type is chinawhite.
So can you smoke chinawhite via light chaseing dragon??

Sure you can smoke white, powder heroin. Sway isn't a smoker, but alot of her friends are, she also lives on the east coast and theres no tar here, just white and brown powder gear.

MsBrownstone added 19 Minutes and 40 Seconds later...

Originally Posted by Club Head

I'm sorry, who are you referring to? I was under the impression that most people in this forum were not narcs so it was cool to write about personal experiences and feel relaxed as long as you dont break the rules like self-incrimination and incriminating others, as long as you are not talking about a CRIME!!! And if you accidentally did you would be schooled about where you did as sometimes it is difficult to realize what you have done if people are being vague.

It is cool to write about personal experiences and opinions, as long as none of the rules are being broken. Always use SWIM or something similar, and don't ask questions, or talk about meeting up with other people, ask to buy/sell drugs, discuss prices, etc.

[HeroInV]

so all u do is heat the h, and the put a cotton ball in the spoon. Then stick the syrnge in the cotton ball and squeeze?

[bogumil]

Originally Posted by GETERDN

i wish i knew how to purify or remove cut from H. it would benice to do pure H.

There is a procedure. Its pretty simple, I posted it into the opioid chemistry forum and added the link here.

With purified heroin you need only 5 - 25 mg. Be careful!

[GETERDN]

Originally Posted by HeroInV

so all u do is heat the h, and the put a cotton ball in the spoon. Then stick the syrnge in the cotton ball and squeeze?

1.bend the spoon so it lays flat, put your dope in the spoon.


2.draw up about 30 units in your syringe and add it to your dope in thespoon


3. heating the spoon to help disolve the dope is optional


4. place a small cotton ball about the size of a pea in spoon


5. place tip of your needle in cotton and draw up disolved dope


6. get the air out of your rig, find a vein ,


if you cant inject it yourself find someone who can

[rhudson]

Originally Posted by GETERDN

1.bend the spoon so it lays flat, put your dope in the spoon.


2.draw up about 30 units in your syringe and add it to your dope in thespoon


3. heating the spoon to help disolve the dope is optional


4. place a small cotton ball about the size of a pea in spoon


5. place tip of your needle in cotton and draw up disolved dope


6. get the air out of your rig, find a vein ,


if you cant inject it yourself find someone who can

Doing a proper injection is not this simple. Please read:

http://harmreduction.org/idu/chapter1.html

in its entirety before attempting to inject heroin or any other drug. Also, I would note a few things:

1) A spoon is actually a bad cooker because it takes a long time to heat up/cool down and it doesn't hold much fluid. A common alternative is the bottom part of coke can but be sure to thoroughly clean off any ink, etc that's there before using this (alcohol works for this).

2) A pea sized ball of cotton is probably way more than necessary and using this much wastes dope. One only needs about 1/4th to 1/2th the head of a q-tip's worth of cotton. Also, if one has dental cotton this is a better choice than a q-tip. Also, store your cottons in a sterile place and do not touch them unless your hands have been thoroughly washed.

3) Cooking dope is not optional unless SWIY wants a severe infection. Always cook your dope (bring it to a boil) or you increase your chances of a severe life threatening illness (e.g. endocarditis).

4) Always wash your hands with soap before injection and sterilize your cooker and the injection site with rubbing alcohol. Prep pads (sold at most pharmacies) are great for this.

5) I would suggest more than 30 cc's of liquid but it's up to you. If you use less, it's easier to push in slowly.

6) You should always release the tourniquet (if you need one) _BEFORE_ injecting as this is easier on your veins and you don't want to nod off when you're still wearing it. To this end, tie the tourniquet in a slipknot if possible. Also, you should push in the dose a little at a time (a quarter or even an eighth at a time) so you are less likely to OD immediately. Pause inbetween pushing in these amounts and wait to feel the effects.

7) Always insert the needle such that the bevel is facing upward, and always inject toward the heart (along the direction of blow flow).

8) Use a fresh needle every time if possible. Even using a needle once dulls it significantly. If you must re-use, only do so one or two times and always rinse your needle with sterile water immediately after injection or the blood will clot in the needle.

9) Always use sterile water. Distilled water (your pharmacy has it) is ideal, bottled is OK, and tap water is your last resort.

Hope this helps. Be safe...

[HeroInV]

whats the safest way to use heroin? smoke snort or shoot?

[strikks]

Originally Posted by HeroInV

whats the safest way to use heroin? smoke snort or shoot?

There is no safe way to use heroin shooting has considerable consequences but for the most part you never know what is in the dope or if it was handled properly when it was bagged up there is all kinds of bacteria in it plus in pittsburgh there is dope goin around that has been cut with a stimulant that has hospitalized several peopole i know with rapid heart beat