Experiences - What to do on SPEED COMEDOWN??

[toodarnsoulful]

Feel really bad and low what do people normally do if they cannot sleep. I do speed most weekends but this speed I done last week and last night has made me feel really depressed after and feel really rare. I always say to myself I am not doing it again but next weekend it will happen all over again. Just had to go to the job centre and my legs felt all shaky could hardly stand up and could hardly talk to anyone. OH why do we do this to ourselves? ha ha.

So the question is what do you do? When you can't sleep, you are just laying there moving around, mind playing tricks on you trying to sleep but keep doing different things if you know what I mean like in a coma thing ha ha. I dunno what to do with myself all alone. ahhhhhhhhhhh

[welshmick]

Just give it up.

I had a little dabble with amphet for a couple of years.

I then realised I was drinking and smoking twice as much as normal, and jaw clenching etc.

The day after I did not even want to be with my wife & kids, that clinched it for me. I just never bought anymore.

I even failed a job interview in spectacular style by dropping a Tenuate Dospan half way thru the interview, then gave complete crap answers and demanded about 3 pints of water.

Antidepressants are bad, but if you want to feel completely fucked then speed is the one to do it.

Give it up, it does not even hurt W/D wise.

[jkelly]

weed or alcohol normally do the trick for me if not.......another line mabey haha

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[100mg Methylphenidate]

Xanax(alprazolam) is swim's personal favorite comedown and life crutch tool. Xanax causes extreme relaxation and sedation. Swim would suggest 1-2mg to help.

Opiates are also useful for the same thing. Opiates tend to relieve some of the depression and anxiety. Although, xanax is better for the anxiety and insomnia, opiates are better for euphoria and pain. Opiates can induce nausea though, which might not be very fun after going on an amphetamine binge which will generally reduce food intake.

Marijuana might be useful for depression and appetite. But it probably won't do a lot to help anxiety and insomnia, at least in swim's case.

Alcohol is also useful for anxiety and insomnia. But waking up the next day hungover WHILE coming down isn't fun. And it's probably not the best temporary fix for the depression.

Nicotine can help keep some of that dopamine hanging in there. But it's not going to fix anything all that much and in this case, the chances of becoming addicted are probably a lot higher.

EDIT:I may want to add swim's combination of choice. Along with his tolerance levels and weight.

Swim is 170 pounds(somewhere around 80kg) and is five feet and ten and a half inches tall. Or 180cm. And he is a male. And is fairly lean. If he lost 10-15 pounds he'd probably have a six pack.

Alprazolam - By itself, swim finds that .5-1mg is enough to minimize daily anxiety. But his daily anxiety does not compare to the anxiety after an adderall binge, which is completely utterly disabling to his everyday life. 2mg would be deemed necessary to be around people for him. But alprazolam causes a lot of drowsiness and amnesia so it's hard to go to work on. And no matter what drugs you take after a comedown, you still probably won't be 'yourself' enough to go to work/school/etc. 2-3mg of alprazolam generally makes swim want to go to lay down and relax and will make sleep very easy. Even while ON moderate amounts of amphetamines. He has never taken more than 6mg, which just made him fall asleep and not remember what happened before his nap. That was without other drugs.

Opiates - Swim's tolerance to opiates fluxuates due to the fact he goes on a hydrocodone spree once or twice every month or so(he never takes more than 4000mg APAP though). Usually he can handle POPPING an 80mg oxycontin(extended release oxycodone) BY ITSELF. With NOTHING else AT ALL. And this is only if he's been taking vicodin for a few days and has a moderate tolerance. A lot of people can't do that safetly. So be careful with these. Swim would recommend somebody with absolutely no tolerance to opiates try 5-15mg of hydrocodone or oxycodone orally. Depending on how "strong" their stomach is. It should help relieve some depression, and physical pains that come from moving nonstop for days. Nausea with opiates is only a problem for swim if his tolerance is at its absolute bottom. But some people can't handle a single vicodin without throwing up. They probably relieve anxiety about half as well as the benzodiazepines(ie alprazolam) but they help pain and improve mood a lot.

And since alcohol and marijuana are a lot harder to gauge good starting doses for with the general population, and aren't really necessary for swim's perfect comedown cure, I'm going to leave them out.

Swim, during a comedown would ideally take 2mg of alprazolam, 5-10mg hydrocodone, and smoke a bit of marijuana to increase appetite.

This combination at current doses can't be recommended for everybody though, and has it's own abuse potential with far worse withdrawals than just coming down off speed.

Somebody with no experience with these drugs, especially if they're significaly smaller than swim, should try out .5-1mg of alprazolam with 5mg of oxycodone or hydrocodone, or an equilivent dose of another opiate. Swiy would already be mixing two depressants, so mixing alcohol is pointless and dangerous.

Once a LOT of sleep has been achieved, the comedown should be over with for the most part. Also, eat lots of starchy foods, vegetables, fruits high in B vitamins and potassium, and avoid cholesterol, sodium, etc. As we want to treat our hearts as nicely as possible after putting them through a lot of stress on that speed binge.

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[cyndi]

Why do we do this to ourselves is a good question. Weird drug how it gets hold of you. If swim can't sleep, laying there drives her crazy so she has to find other things to do till she drops basically. Benzos help, a must really or the experience will be horrible.

[hamsterdam]

another drug you can consider is temazepam.

it's also a benzo, and is RXed for sleep.

swim's never used it for coming off of speed, but has used it for coming off of other things. one of the great things is it does actually help you sleep, and sleeping off the comedown is just great.

A couple drinks with 30 mg of temazepam (the highest capsule dose -- typical dosages are 15 mg) will knock you out. Key word is a COUPLE drinks, don't go nuts with that. And if you're going to be mixing benzos with alcohol, that's something you should be very cautious about, and swim would recommend trying it at a time when you're NOT coming off of something else first to see how it impacts you (that's swim's general rule -- not to mix new things or combos while already taking something). Make sure you take in some water too to avoid being hung over.

[hatstands]

When SWIM is in a similar listless frame of mind, alcohol defo takes the edge of it, but is definitely not for all swimmers.
Harnessing the stream of consciousness by playing solitaire, drawing, or writing something down helps sometimes, take mind off things. It can be difficult to find the zen centre, esp at age 19 [SWIM used to have shite comedowns then, just didn't know how to handle it]. Praps SWIY should either stop experimentaying with the speed, or get to know swiyself's dayafter needs a bit better. Avoiding hanging out with buzzkill 'ouuurrrgh i'm commin doowwn' types was the first step towards SWIM's happy days after.

Also be aware of hoe SWIY phrases DF posts - Don't be wanting any self-incrimination duck! ♥

[the gun man]

zopiclone 7.5mg will get you to sleep

[cyndi]

It is the worst. Swim feels she is losing her mind really. People following her, up in her house, cops coming any minute. She has herself to the point of shaking. This is the craziest crap ever.

[Moonage Daydream]

This cat doesn't like to the uppers and downers thing, but that's just personal preference. She just keeps herself occupied as far as she is able doing stuff she likes doing like making art and jewellery, and listening to uplifting music, like her Blackpool Mecca Northern Soul compilation... first track of which is Too Darn Soulful actually but that is a different topic.......................................If she has to do something after having not slept and that thing REALLY can't put off another day (ie she has to do summat work related, or has promised to do something for a friend) after 1 or 2 hours of absolute jitters and hell she just does what's required and this makes her feel infinitely better. Coz the feeling of being about as useful as a chocolate teapot is one of the most stressful aspects of a speed comedown.....................and she hates to let others down.Kitty is something of a speed freak by her own admission (though the amount is strictly controlled for the most part) so accepts the comedown as an ahem... occupational hazard. When she DOES overindulge she feels very guilty, she would make an excellent Catholic, but again, another bloody diversion sorry!____________________________________ Oh yeah, and forcing yourself to eat - even if only a smoothie or Nourishment drink in a vaguely palatable flavour, as well as a nice long hot shower, can work wonders if you have to face the world - they both reduce the horrors significantly...

[toodarnsoulful]

Originally Posted by Moonage Daydream

This cat doesn't like to the uppers and downers thing, but that's just personal preference. She just keeps herself occupied as far as she is able doing stuff she likes doing like making art and jewellery, and listening to uplifting music, like her Blackpool Mecca Northern Soul compilation... first track of which is Too Darn Soulful actually but that is a different topic.......................................If she has to do something after having not slept and that thing REALLY can't put off another day (ie she has to do summat work related, or has promised to do something for a friend) after 1 or 2 hours of absolute jitters and hell she just does what's required and this makes her feel infinitely better. Coz the feeling of being about as useful as a chocolate teapot is one of the most stressful aspects of a speed comedown.....................and she hates to let others down.Kitty is something of a speed freak by her own admission (though the amount is strictly controlled for the most part) so accepts the comedown as an ahem... occupational hazard. When she DOES overindulge she feels very guilty, she would make an excellent Catholic, but again, another bloody diversion sorry!____________________________________ Oh yeah, and forcing yourself to eat - even if only a smoothie or Nourishment drink in a vaguely palatable flavour, as well as a nice long hot shower, can work wonders if you have to face the world - they both reduce the horrors significantly...

Great album

[Moonage Daydream]

it is isn't it. The other tactic of course is to go the other way and spend time wallowing in teenage angst (but for a strictly demarcated time maybe half an hour) and listen to Joy Division etc then do something fun or useful!

[Songcycle67]

SWIM sent me this message:

first of all, fuck yeah to joy division. Secondly, benzos are good, but hugely habit forming--not to mention it's one of the only withdrawals that can kill you on fairly standard doses if it's taken daily for over a month or two.

So I would recommend something natural like marijuana and, if SWIY isn't on any other euphorants (recreational drugs) or anti-depressants I'd say buy a bottle of 5-HTP from wal-mart for 8 bucks and one pill evey few hours will have you feeling *normal* but not high. Maybe a bit of a euphoria. But it's very dangerous if taken in concert with other drugs that affect levels of serotonin (pot included). The results are serotonin syndrome which basically produces hours to weeks of extreme mental discomfort and dysphoria.

I use 5-HTP for coming down off of opiates, E, and amphetamines and it always seems to do the trick.

[ohFimhungry]

Originally Posted by toodarnsoulful

Feel really bad and low what do people normally do if they cannot sleep. I do speed most weekends but this speed I done last week and last night has made me feel really depressed after and feel really rare. I always say to myself I am not doing it again but next weekend it will happen all over again. Just had to go to the job centre and my legs felt all shaky could hardly stand up and could hardly talk to anyone. OH why do we do this to ourselves? ha ha.

So the question is what do you do? When you can't sleep, you are just laying there moving around, mind playing tricks on you trying to sleep but keep doing different things if you know what I mean like in a coma thing ha ha. I dunno what to do with myself all alone. ahhhhhhhhhhh

Sry SWIY is feeling shitty

What SWIY needs to remember that the comedown is worse the longer SWIY binges, so the sooner SWIY stops the better.

SWIM waits about 5 hours after the last bowl of crystal and 1. take some Benzos, or 2. smoke some pot. If neither is available, go have a drink with SWIY's friends, get out of the house. SWIY is not going to go to sleep if SWIY is awake in bed thinking about needing to go to sleep, trust SWIM.

SWIM recently tried Tylenol with Codeine #3 and that took SWIM down just fine after a 24 hour study sesh. SWIM also uses Valium and Xanax when it's available.

Bottom line, if SWIY is not going to go to sleep (and SWIY knows this, comon, its just not gonna happen) get up and do something to take SWIY's mind off of it. But the last thing SWIY wants to do is take another line, really. Save it for when SWIY will actually enjoy it.

~ Swimmster

PS eat some carbs/juice/veggies/vitamins the usual.

[cra$h]

swim's normally faced in the situation where he has no other drugs to help the come-down, but something like benadryl is pretty common, and can help (one of those things where less is more though) but when all else fails, laying there in bed changing positions every minute, he'll try meditating, doing a light workout, and if that doesn't wear him down enough, wack off. Maybe some milk or some other drink/food that would put swim to sleep. But swim's been lookin into this for a while now, and hasn't really turned up any "natural" methods. xannax is probably the best bet as far as other drugs, maybe opiates, but swim's never personally tried it

[Moonage Daydream]

swim forces herself to stop doing speed at a certain point - as beyond that it is a waste - all it will do is make swiy nervous and bad tempered. She never takes anything other than 5-htp. Sometimes she thinks she is a bit like a young housewife in about 1955, when they didn't know that speed was habit forming - ie she gets plenty of exercise, cooks good healthy food... the only unhealthy thing she does is speed - and it's easy to forget its even a drug in small doses as if swim is active then it'll just get worked off, kinda like going to the gym when feeling anxious........................................... ...................................One thing possibly worth noting is that, for her anyway, when she used a lot more and went clubbing a lot more, the nights when she used the energy and danced all night, rather than just chatting unfortunate people's ears off in the chill out room (her clubbing partner, used to get stoned/trip in the chill out area and she felt bad abandoning him for hours by dancing!) she always had an easier time of it coming down.......................................Basical ly the energy, if unused, just gets converted into nerves, that's her experience anyway............................................ .................................................. ...........Though mind you that's the sort of personality she has anyway - she is like a ten year old kid that needs to DO something every minute of the day!