San Pedro basics

[Smarthead]

The San Pedro cactus has gained considerable fame in the past five years after numerous reports that it is hallucinogenic, contains mescaline and is readily available from cactus nurseries. This plant, known botanically as Trichocereus Pachanoi, is native to the Andes of Peru and Ecuador.


Unlike the small peyote cactus, San Pedro is large and multi-branched. In its natural environment, it often grows to heights of 10 or 15 feet. Its mescaline content is less than that of peyote (0.3 - 1.2 percent), but because of its great size and rapid growth, it may provide a more economical source of mescaline than peyote. One plant may easily yield several pounds of pure mescaline upon extraction, though it is important to note this is illegal in most (but not all) countries.

[digitalraver]

Hello everyone new guy here. I have recently bought a 12-14" top cut of pedro along with 100 seeds and want to know if i should eat the whole 12-14" thing..i want to trip prety good if really hard at all possible to trip that hard off it. thanks (keep raven acid is coming back soon)

[bman1]

no way to answer your question. All cacti have different potency
one can not say eat a lenght of a cacti and be fine since there are so
many other factors like diamiter, age, health, where the cacti is from,
etc.

Try sryup

1oz=100milligrams it is a way to standorize a dose

Taken from the nook

[Alfa]

San Pedro (Trichocereus Pachanoi) cuttings.Edited by: Alfa

[Operacya_Y]

How many years or months have to be cactus to use for make mescaline?
Alfa and Ninja Master how old are yours cactus in these photos?

[OiledMandible]

Woah, are those pics yours? If so, great job.



If you dont mind me asking, what material are the walls in the second pic?

[Alfa]

They are jdjake's. THe background seems to be aluminium reflector plates, like hydroponic lightnig is made of.

[jaguarangel]

It looks like you have some long spined specimens Alpha. Are they
pachanois too?
To Digital Raver:
When shamans prepare the medicine, they always leave 4 inches from the
tip so when calloused the plant can be cloned and made into new
plants.Erowid has a very detailed preparation with pictures in the Mushroom
John report.

[Water]

If you cut the top off of a san pedro will it live?

lol this is probably a stupid question but i dont really know that much about cactus'.

[cactus]

if you cut the top off make sure you do it with at least a 30 - 45 degree angle so water will run off when it rains. otherwise water will form a pool and start rotting.

[xxgaretjaxx]

Originally Posted by Water

If you cut the top off of a san pedro will it live?

lol this is probably a stupid question but i dont really know that much about cactus'.

When you cut the top off of a san pedro cactus, new limbs will begin to
grow. Most often atleast two or three limbs will grow. This
is a good way to multiply the number of plants that you are
growing.

[Ninja Master]

i wish i could see a closer picture of a spine pad of the long spined one. as for cutting the cactus flat, ive not had a problem with this YET. i did a flat cut, and the cactus naturaly sunk inwards. its gotten rain water to pool in it, but the callous was strong enough to not rot. the pups looking realy good, and it looks like its going to produce more offsets than this one single pup. the areole splits in half, more like grows larger, with a more brownish fuzzy top half, and greyer bottom half. the long spine cactus looks like a cross of pachanoi, and peruvianus. those who eat and do not grow, are missing over 50% of the fun!!



Edited by: Ninja Master

[jaguarangel]

One way of determining species is the flower. When it flowers, take plenty of
pics! I would love to see them.

[adzket]

swim is new to mescaline cactus and was just wondering some ? i have used the se but lots of threads come up with out the spersific answers swim is looking for. firstly do you eat the cacti or do you have to do an exstraction for the mescaline. also swim thinks he may have had mescalin befor or at least was told this but it was a liquid is this possible? i know peyote has to grow for at least 20yrs befor being used is this the case with san ped and other cacti. is it mescalin or pislyocbin (shrooms) that lsd is simerla to? what are the main diffrences/ simerlarites in effects/ doseag ect... of thes to natural drugs?. thanks guys for any help.

[CrookedEye]

Originally Posted by adzket

swim is new to mescaline cactus and was just wondering some ? i have used the se but lots of threads come up with out the spersific answers swim is looking for. firstly do you eat the cacti or do you have to do an exstraction for the mescaline. also swim thinks he may have had mescalin befor or at least was told this but it was a liquid is this possible? i know peyote has to grow for at least 20yrs befor being used is this the case with san ped and other cacti. is it mescalin or pislyocbin (shrooms) that lsd is simerla to? what are the main diffrences/ simerlarites in effects/ doseag ect... of thes to natural drugs?. thanks guys for any help.

One can just eat the cactus, but it's the most god-awful bitter sludgy, slimy snot lookin stuff, that is extremely hard for swim to get down and keep down..

There are various crude extractions to help with this, or extractions to near purity, which would be swim's preferred method, since it's not that hard, and well worth the time, in his opinion..

One could have mescaline in liquid, but it would be definitely more than a drop or two.. One could dissolve mescaline in salt form in water and drink it, though.. The dose for mescaline HCl is minimum of about 200-250mgs up to a gram or more (heroic dose), so anything smaller than half an OO capsule, that causes decent effects, is most likely something else passed off as mescaline..

San pedros, when established after a couple years of growth, will start to produce 12-18 inches average a season, depending on strain, conditions, etc, so much faster than peyote (peyote also contains some 50+ alkaloids, not just mescaline)..

All three drugs you listed have similarities and differences.. Swim finds, the cactus to give more euphoria than shrooms, and less mindfuck.. Similar to acid, but a bit of a different signature.. Very subjective, so it's very hard to say, but in swim's experience, cacti and LSD seem to have similar lengths in duration and more guidbale trips in higher doses, than mushrooms do..

Hope this helps!

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thanks for the info its very informative i will tell swim the info so they can make a more informed choise. thanks.

[adzket]

i have used the surch engin but found much info but not direct answers to swims ? can someone tell me if there is a diffrence between pachanoii san pedro and trichocereus panchanoi ? also if swim was growing for the purpos of getting mesculin would getting the dried bits or the powder they have seen be beter than getting living plants or does it not mater? also can any one tell me what a pachanoii cristate is i belive it to be a mesculin containg cacti but it looks rather odd and not like any other cacti swim has seen befor thanks for any help.
adz.

[CrookedEye]

San Pedro and Peruvian Torch are Trichocereus Pachanoi and Trichocereus Peruvianus, respectively.. San pedro is said to have a more consistent alkaloid profile, but the torches can be more potent, in many cases.. The only way to be sure is to know/trust the source and/or have some experience with it.. They have minor difference in spines, the actual thickness/number of the ribs, and color of the areoles(sp?).. The dried bits make extractions easier and dosing easier, than live cacti.. A pachanoi cristate, is a pachanoi that has formed some kind of mutation(not sure why, possibly stress and genetics) that makes it give off this rippled condition.. There are various forms of cristates in the trichocereus family.. It is definitely active, but more rare, so great to keep as a cultivar, if one has access..

[Barebonejoe]

It always turns brown for SWIM - that just means it's becoming more concentrated. Just make sure you don't bring the temperature much above boiling point (100C/212F) or you could de-activate the substances you want to be active. It's very touchy.

When it's thick like that, it takes a higher temperature to get it to boil like a thinner liquid, so you might want to get yourself a thermometer to help gage what temp you're at. Goo has a higher boiling point than water.
*SWIM recomends a light simmer with the goo.*

You might also benifit from straining the brew a few times to help make it a bit more liquidy. You then can boil down what you've strained out with another pot.

And if it's to thick to strain, ad more water (it might take a lot), let it simmer for a while, then try straining again.

Good luck.

[gargravarr]

Thanks for the info barebone! At the 10 hour mark it got pretty thick and wasn't much of a goo rather than, um, well, whatever this is:



So swim strained it until it was fairly dry and in clumps..



But there was still a good amount of liquid left over, so he put that back into the crock pot to simmer down a bit more. I'll edit this post with the resulting liquid swim will throw in the fridge and drink in a few days.

[Bajeda]

Would swim possibly be able to have a good experience with the mescaline extracted from a 6" cut or a 12" cut?

Or is a higher amount than that needed?

[kld1]

12" is minimum typically. Double that for a real experience.

Originally Posted by jesusfreak666er

SSRI's significantly decrease the effect of any tryptomines, and swim hears it can even be dangerious, and with anti-pyschotics, well they combat hallucinations and delerium in pyschotics, so swim would assume they would do the same in a state hallucinations from tryptomines... thats why ppl use em to come down off trips.

Do you mean tryptamine? If so, you may be referring to serotonin, which is what SSRIs target. Studies have shown that low levels of serotonin are involved in clinical diseases such as depression and anxiety. SSRIs increase the amount of serotonin, which helps the patient. The exact mechanism is not fully understood, so I'll leave it at that.