Experiences - Kratom experiences

[fiveleggedrat]

Back in the day, 1.5gr of 15x extract was equal to 200mg tramadol, or 10mg methadone in terms of how it felt.

Swim's getting a full alkaloidal extract that equals out to around 70x, and 7 grams of it. Swim hopes it will do something, Swim maintains a permanent high tolerance.

[100mg Methylphenidate]

Originally Posted by fiveleggedrat

Back in the day, 1.5gr of 15x extract was equal to 200mg tramadol, or 10mg methadone in terms of how it felt.

Swim's getting a full alkaloidal extract that equals out to around 70x, and 7 grams of it. Swim hopes it will do something, Swim maintains a permanent high tolerance.

Wait....swiy thinks tramadol feels anything remotely similar to methadone or any opiate? Swim just gets cravings for real opiates when he takes those. VERRRRRRRY VERYYYYYY VERY VERY EXTREMELY mild effects.

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[fiveleggedrat]

Originally Posted by 100mg Methylphenidate

Wait....swiy thinks tramadol feels anything remotely similar to methadone or any opiate? Swim just gets cravings for real opiates when he takes those. VERRRRRRRY VERYYYYYY VERY VERY EXTREMELY mild effects.

To one with no opioid tolerance, tramadol is the bomb. Swim enjoyed it more than any other drug ever, more than any other opioid ever. As soon as Swim developed his permanent opioid tolerance, they were reduced in effects and then completely stopped working.

[100mg Methylphenidate]

Swim is trying kratom as we speak.

He started out with about 1.5 grams of 15x extract, from what appears to be one of the more reliable online vendors.

He has virtually no opiate tolerance anymore.

He mixed it with some yerba mate and drank up.

After about an hour he felt pretttty stimulated, but very at peace with the world too. It was very mild but enjoyable nevertheless. If shipping costs are taken out of the picture, he'd say the high is just as enjoyable as being on a low dose of hydrocodone, but not so drowsy.

About an hour later he decided he wasn't high enough, so he took another 1.5 grams. The high got much more intense after maybe 20-30 minutes. He felt pretty strung out, yet he has this peaceful energy. The yerba mate probably played some part in it, but it was definitely more than that. Also keep in mind swim is physically addicted to caffeine, he has to have it or he'll feel very irritable and drained.

He's still enjoying it at the moment. It's been almost an hour since the second dose. And he's feeling goooooood. This is definitely a nice alternative for people who need to take drug tests. Very clean high, the powder was completely bearable to drink.

Now he just threw some kava in the mix. One tablespoon of Shaman Kava. He's expecting to feel extremely chilled out and strung out within the next 20-30 minutes. =]

[jasonp31]

SWIM's First experience with Kratom:

T - 0:00 -- 8 capsules taken = 3.2g
T + 0:20 -- Decent, SWIM feels some prickling in face, warm feeling in stomach somewhat, not much overall. SWIM feels like he just ingested quite a bit of caffeine.
T + 0:21 -- Took 4 more, for a total of 4.8g.
T + 0:30 -- Definitely feeling very speedy now, but SWIM can feel an opiate like buzz coming on. Smoked a cig, seemed to move the process along quite a bit.
T + 0:51 -- Definite opiate buzz, but speedy. Mild/Moderate euphoria. Took 4 more, for a total of 6.0g.

Will update as more time passes.


jasonp31 added 20 Minutes and 26 Seconds later...

T + 1:15 -- Good hydro like buzz, but a little speedier. SWIM is a little itchy now, which is normal for him on hydro. So far SWIM thinks this feels like 30mg of hydro. SWIM took 4 more. 6.0g total now. SWIM ate a cookie because it looked good sitting on the counter.

jasonp31 added 29 Minutes and 22 Seconds later...

T + 1:45 -- SWIM still feels good. Euphoria is good, body load/buzz is good. A nice even keel warmth/goodness is present. No negatives at this point. SWIM decides to take 5 more, for a total of 8.0g.

jasonp31 added 30 minutes later...

T + 2:15 -- SWIM feels great. SWIM believes this is the sweet spot for SWIM. SWIM is glad he feels this great on a cheap legal product.

jasonp31 added 1 hour and 14 minutes later...

T + 2:53 -- SWIM is still feeling really good. SWIM is thinking about taking a little bit more as a booster/extender.

Thanks Bajeda for merging my posts. I would just edit my original but I can't yet of course.

jasonp31 added 90 Minutes and 9 Seconds later...

T + 4:20 -- SWIM figured it would happen, as it usually does with hydro as well. SWIM took a few caps too many because he was feeling so good, and SWIM's stomach got the best of him. SWIM hugged the porcelain for a few minutes and all is better now. SWIM still feels good, but it's more of an afterglow at this point. SWIM thinks Kratom is great!!

NOTE: Premium/Bali in capsules. Approx .40g per cap.

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Succinct report, but live updates give good sense of time. Thanks.

[Spinner]

SWIM just saw this thread while looking through several legal substances he's had just sitting in a drawer for awhile. SWIM decided to give Kratom another chance. He removed the staple from two Litpon tea bags and poured most of the tea out. SWIM filled the tea bags with the rest of the Kratom leaf he had. Not sure of the amount, but looked to be enough to roll about 4 joints, if you were to try to roll it up.
SWIM boiled water in a mug and let the first tea bag steep for about 15 mins, squishing the tea bag with a spoon occasionally. SWIM added sugar because he doesn't see why it should taste bad. It tastes just like an herbal tea that way.

After a few hours, SWIM is still not sure he feels much of anything. I guess that's why it was just sitting in a drawer. SWIM had tried this before, and didn't feel anything notible then, either. Although I don't feel any euphoric feeling, I do notice that my back feels a bit better. SWIM drank the first cup at 2:42AM, and drank another with both tea bags soaking, at about 3:45. It's 4am now.

SWIM still doesn't feel much of anything...perhaps a tad calming, or maybe nothing. SWIM can't really tell.

[dadrone]

age: 26
height: 6’ 2"
weight: 250lbs

Healthy despite his weight, no medications, doctor required or recreational. Occasional smoker (1-10/week). No tolerance for opiates, as of current.

Dosage: 5 capsules – each is said to be 600 mg so should be ~3g total.
Type: “Fine Bali” Kratom (fine light brown powder)

Patient ingested kratom at 10:50am Sunday morning on an empty stomach.

T+:10 - Seems to be lightheaded, not sure if he is reeling from an alcohol hangover from drinking *two* nights ago. SWIMs hangovers sometimes carry over to the second day afterwards…

T+:20 - SWIM is definitely slightly disoriented and relaxed and warm. SWIM is going to shoot a quick game of pool to test concentration.

Hands are sweaty – pool stroke was very loose and carefree but not too much difference there.

T+:40 – SWIM is stuck in the same state as 20 minutes ago. Calm and relaxed, very mellow. He enjoys this but wants to experiment deeper to find his threshold. SWIM consumes two more capsules, assumingly ~1.2G (total dosage approximated @ 4.2G now). And he realizes that light coming from outside is annoying, blinds are now shut.

T+1:20 – SWIM consumes 3 more capsules (total dosage approximated @ 6G). No noticeable change in past 40 minutes or so.

T+1:30 – SWIM consumes 5 more capsules (total dosage approximated @ 9G).

T+2:00 – SWIM is becoming slightly more drowsy and is belching vitamin taste. Still in a pleasant, euphoric state although increased dosage has not seemed to further the original onset of this relaxation. SWIM consumes 5 more capsules anyways (total dosage approximated @ 12G).

T+2:20 – SWIM consumes another 5 capsules putting total dosage @ approx. 15G. Seems like he is doing a lot but this has to be below par product in SWIM’s opinion…

T+2:50 – SWIM consumes another 5 capsules. He can definitely see the addictive nature. SWIM enjoys the experience but the amount of product he is consuming is becoming quite tedious. He will definitely have to explore something a bit stronger in the future.

T+3:10 – Yep, 5 more.

T+3:40 – Yep, 5 more. SWIM believes he is peaking at this time.

T+4:00 – Bit of nausea onset. First sign of it. SWIM thinks he got some weak shit and that’s why it took so long. Nausea is very, very minimal – maybe it’s because he hasn’t eaten today also.

T+5:00 – Took 5 more, this will be it for today. I enjoy the high but I can feel nausea possibly on its way in although it's under control for the time being.

Overall, a very enjoyable soothing drug. Maybe because of SWIM’s weight or maybe SWIM just got weak stuff, but SWIM would have to find something that requires less consumption for him to enjoy this on any sort of regular basis. One ounce of whatever is too much in SWIM’s opinion.

[Spinner]

SWIY took 45 capsules?! What's the point? No wonder SWIY felt nauseous. LOL SWIM thinks it's safe to say that SWIY would get higher on cough syrup.

[dadrone]

Originally Posted by Spinner

SWIY took 45 capsules?! What's the point? No wonder SWIY felt nauseous. LOL SWIM thinks it's safe to say that SWIY would get higher on cough syrup.

The nausea seems to be quite common.

The point was... SWIM wanted to see what his threshold was and if the drug increased in effect with increased dosage.

[dr. swim]

SWIM took 6.5 grams of a really good batch of Maeng Da. He had not previously sampled the batch, but later discovered that just 2.5 grams is in the mid-high range. SWIM experienced intense euphoria and relaxation, and could've probably slit his wrist and not felt anything. He was working out but then had to stop because he hadn't realized that a whole hour had gone by and he had been doing the same intense leg exercises the whole time! His legs were dead-sore the following weak...he also had some pretty bad nausea when coming down off the stuff. He hasn't tried a dose that high since then, likes to stick to the 2-3 gram range, and even that gives him a pretty strong buzz.

[bella donna baby]

SWIM just did the toss and wash with 14g of crushed kratom leave ground into and almost powder mixed then chased with OJ 20 min ago. AFOF also drank 7g the same way at the same time. SWIM and AFOF aren't getting anything yet. SWIM about puked, definately gagged A LOT!!! SWIM also had taken a few Soma about and hour before. Now SWIM says its just a waiting game. AFOF has read that it can take a half hour to an hour. SWIM will add more to this post in another 20 min.

bella donna baby added 7 Minutes and 3 Seconds later...

Ok 30 min has gone by. AFOF says she has a somewhat "floaty head" feeling. SWIM also has a mild euphoric floaty/fuzzy feeling going on. So far SWIM thinks that its like the initial onset of taking about 20mg of hydrocodone. SWIM is enjoying the relief from chronic back pain that SWIM has suffered from for about 7 years! So far so good.

bella donna baby added 30 Minutes and 49 Seconds later...

Just over an hour now, SWIM says the feeling is still the same. Kinda warm, fuzzy, mild euphoria, pain level is much more tollerable. Also, SWIM has that sorta itchy nose thing that SWIM sometimes gets while taking scripts. A little sleepy but not so much that SWIM could go lay down and crash. Over all, a good experience at this point. AFOF has very mild euphoria, slightly more energy, no nose itch and still just floaty. SWIM and AFOF may try to choke down a bit more in a another 30 min or so.

[Guigz]

Some strange experience with UEI.

1,5 gr of very good quality UEI.
10h before my junky rat ingest kratom, he used 2,5gr of meprobamate.
And 1gr more 1hours before UEI.

Junky rat, my small good-looking animal used frequently Equanil for hypnotic properties of meprobamate in high dosage.
Half life of this stuff is between 9 an 17 hours.

He decided to try UEI in despite of the fact he always felt the effect of previous doses of Equanil, and because he is a little bit unconscious he take one hours before UEI one more grams of meprobamate ( which have the properties to potentiate opioïde )

He waited for the effects 30/45 minutes later, because he was on an empty stomach.
But the effects put 1 hour to really felt.
The experience was an opium like, lightly, but really sedative, with tendancy to fall asleep with a head totally libareted of thought.
Effect during at least 8hours ( 3 hours of opium-like & 5 hours of lethargic state )
He finally fall asleep.

In the morning very nasty awaking, with headache, and impossibilty to ingest anything.

Be very careful with this combo, meprobamate potentiate a lot kratom, and side effect after come down wasn't very enjoyable.
And it's potentialy dangerous.

[LostCelestial]

Being as how SWIM has been playing around with opiates for a little while, Kratom was only ever so far away on his list of things to try.

NB- SWIMs body clock was so far out of alignment the week this happened that even though he started at midnight, he hadn't been up more than 6 hours. SWIM's girlfriend has a tendency to make him turn nocturnal, because that way he gets some personal space and can watch things other the junk she likes.

SWIM's experiances:

He took 6g of powerdered leaf (not extract) for his first time out, bombed in rizla as he lacked gel caps. He took the first 2g and then 2g again after an hour, then again after another.

The begginings all seemed good. SWIM was having a bath as the feelings came on (which he now realises wasn't perhaps the wisest thing to do under the circumstances).

Being as SWIM was already relaxed and warm, the feelings were all good and he ended up spending 4 hours in the bath, reading and enjoying late night talk radio. He didn't even realise how long he had been in there until it was light outside. He wouldn't describe the feeling as euphoric tho. Comfy, and nice, but not euphoria.

He got out and towled himself off, and flopped onto the sofa to ride out the feelings and see where they would take him. He watched reruns of mythbusters for some hours, but was certainly a lot more 'tuned out' than he is used to experiancing with morphine etc. He found that he was unable to focus, rather than drifting off. He also felt a kind of nervous energy which he didn't feel too at home with.

As 8 am came around, SWIM made swims gf breakfast, and went to bed. At this stage he felt... Odd. When he moved from the sofa for the first time in hours, he found he was near on unable to stand, in a new and exciting way. Although his head felt quite calm and his equilibrium seemed ok, his legs just wouldn't do what they were told.

SWIM felt that actually cooking would be a bad idea, and found that even trying to stand upright waiting for the toaster was causing him problems. He mad himself a cup of camamile to go to bed with, but the second he started drinking it, he started getting a feeling of nausia. He didn't spew, but he felt himself have to choke it back.

He spent the next few hours having agressive and unfriendly nightmares. Although he can't remember excactly what, he remembers waking up time and again hyperventilating, and SWIM's gf says she heard SWIM talking in his sleep.

Finally, SWIM gave up trying to sleep, and now its about 18 hours since he first took the kratom. He still feels nausious if anything approaching solid food comes near him, although he can drink without discomfort. He still feels light and floaty, but there seems to be no other more pleasent symptoms. He still is having some problems sitting still.

SWIM has some 18gs left, and will definitely be attempting a lower dose in future.

Overall

SWIM feels that his report has so far overly focused on the negatives of his experiance. Although in fairness this is one day swim would prefer to forget, the time between midnight and 8am really did pass is a hazy montage of poorly lit motion trails. SWIM fees that had he been able to sleep reasonably well, and wake up clear headed, all would have been well with the world.

SWIM thinks that he grossly under-estimated the amount needed to get him 'there' and the stimulant effect of the drug. He suspects he may have received a more potent than average strain, but that at least he purposely was trying to run a lower dose than required, and he believes that he probably made a mistake staggering the dose as he did, which made the stimulant feeling more drawn out, which he thinks also led to his piss poor sleep.

He'd also like to mention at this point that SWIM's relationship isn't exactly a happy one for a variety of reasons, and even being in the same zip code as Ms. Lost makes SWIM feel anxious and prone to panic attacks and poorly advised periods of over compensating and guilt. He suspects that these under laying feelings seriously didn't help matters.

Outside of 'the bad stuff' SWIM would equate kratom to being Tramadol-esque. If SWIM had to sit down and untangle christmas lights or do abundant quantities of house work (which he really should) , this would be the drug he'd take.

SWIM will report in after his next experiment, when he has flushed this first lot out with a vast amount of gatorade and a few good nights sleep. He believes that next time, if he has a smaller dose, and a decent activity to fiddle around with, as well as starting it right after he gets up, he will have a much better, much more enjoyable experiance.

[Future]

Dose: 3g - 15x extract
Preparation: Mixed very well into a cup of hot water (taste kind of like green tea)
Onset: From the first sip the kratom it slowy endured swim
Peak: Not noticeable.
Duration: 3hrs
Personal details: Male - 135 lb
Experience: Lovely. The whole time swim experienced kratom; swim laid down on the couch, just closed his eyes and fell into a nice, clean, sedative experience.

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[demon_candy]

Demon SWIM's Kratom Experience

Amount: 8-9g Maeng Da Kratom (as a tea)

Having done a fair amount of research on Kratom, SWIM finally decided on purchasing 1oz of Maeng Da kratom and 3g of UEI Kratom from two different online vendors. Happily she also received a free sample of Super Green Kratom, which she assumes is the Green Vein Thai strain.

Not long after she woke up in the morning, she went about making herself some Kratom tea. She measured out roughly 5g of the powdered Maeng Da and proceeded to boil it for 15 minutes in water. After it was done, she poured the contents (roughly 1/2 cup) into a mug to drink. In the tea recipe she had used, it had recommended straining out the gritty contents, but she left it in hoping that consuming the Kratom remnants would lead to stronger effects.

The concoction was rather bitter, but trying to consume the grit at the bottom was much worse. It was like trying to eat spoonfuls of wet sand. SWIM did not find this very pleasant at all.

She seemed to feel a rather relaxed effect right away, but wasn't sure if it was from the Kratom, or residual sleepiness from just waking up. Her bf came home not long after, and they went to the mall to get some coffee. Walking into the mall SWIM felt rather pleasant, though somewhat tired, with a sort of tingly sensation in her legs as she walked. Being in the mall was enjoyable, and she seemed interested walking into various stores.

They had to leave soon as SWIM's bf had to get back to work, even thought she felt as though she could have spent more time there. When she returned home, although she felt the slight relaxation, SWIM decided to consume more Kratom as she wanted to make sure she felt the full effects. A second round of gritty unpleasant tea with another 4-5g of Maeng Da Kratom was consumed.

SWIM started to work on some of her Graphic Design work as the Kratom feeling intensified. She felt really slowed down, and distracted, and found herself not wanting to work much. A bout of nausea overtook her, and finally she decided that she needed to lie down on the couch for a bit to rest. There was a profound sense of sleepiness, and she felt dizzy whenever she opened her eyes. She fell asleep on the couch for an hour or so, and when she awoke, she did feel a lot better.

Her bf returned home from work, and they went to the store to buy some groceries. SWIM felt content, still with a slight feeling of euphoria mixed with a slight residue of nausea. Afterwards, they went to a Chinese Buffet next store. SWIM was actually was decently hungry, not having eaten all day. After they were finished though, she definitely felt the nausea rearing its ugly head again.

They went home, and after relaxing for a bit SWIM did feel better. She also fell asleep and slept quite well that night.

SWIM would relate her first experience on Kratom a lot similar to taking Vicodin on higher levels, especially in terms of the nausea and euphoria aspects. She imagines that it would synergise quite well with marijuana, which helps reduce nausea and stomach pains.

Unfortunately the taste and aspect of consuming grit was very unpleasant for the effects in SWIM's opinion. She also believes that taking the additional 5g in tea the second time was too much. To SWIM, it is interesting to note the experience she had with Maeng Da Kratom was that it seemed as more of a depressant, similar to how she imagined Bali would be. She wonders if this is just the way she reacted to it, the particular batch of Maeng Da, or a vendor mix up. She imagines she may try consuming it in another method next time, like perhaps capping, or trying an extract where less is required to feel the affects.

SWIM will soon be trying the UEI that she bought and write an additional review about that. Thanks for reading, SWIM hopes that this will provide insight on Kratom to other first-time users.

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[dw123]

SWIM bought 2 10g bags of kratom. One bag was standard Bali powdered kratom, the other was crushed leaves (highest quality grade A+ kratom leaf was the name of it).

SWIM likes to start off really slowly when it comes to trying any new substance due to a fear of taking too much and having an unpleasant experience.

SWIM put 400 - 500mg of powdered kratom into gel caps. The 1st was taken at 19:45 on an empty stomach, another at 20:05, another 2 (1g) at 20.30 and bombed about 2 grams in rizzlas about an hour after that. (cheap scales were used). Total roughly 4 grams spread out over the night.

SWIM didnt really feel anything the whole night in terms of a buzz or euphoria. Maybe a slight sensation at least although it could have been just in my head. At about midnight SWIM started to feel monged and tired, and quite paranoid and anxious also (mainly about getting caught with weed on me by police).

Any insight into why SWIM felt nothing? SWIM is aware the dose is low but for a first time surely SWIM should have felt something?

How should SWIM take the next batch (crushed leaves) in a few days time?

Thanks

dw123 added 2 Minutes and 54 Seconds later...

*(mainly about getting caught with weed on SWIM by police)

Cant edit the post lol

[DXMBunny]

it was low plus space out would be swims guess... really 3-5g is great to start... but spreading it out may have made it to weak... that low suggestion is already pretty weak... swim suggest 5-7g next time at once... should not be overwhelming if gone bad... opiates tend not to go bad just a little unpleasant in the few who do not like...

also even tho it says grade A does not mean they know shit about the quality of the kratom.. .batches vary greatly as it is a plant and one part of the plant can be better than the rest...

try again a little more ... one other slim chance is swiy is one that is in the rare people that do not have the enzyme to process kratom? its not the same enzyme for all opiates, but it also effects dxm...

good job to swiy for being safe and good luck!

swim used 10g before feeling bali, and never liked it... but he still ended up trying other strains... learning that he loved kratom but some strains are not good to all!

[Little Wing]

Hi SWIM wanted to relate his first kratom experiences from the other thread:

SWIM tried Indo red vein Borneo kratom a couple of times but didn't really get much of an effect - it may have been because he ingested it in small amounts over a period of several hours. SWIM did feel quite itchy though and nauseous at times.

SWIM ate somewhat more kratom in a shorter time period - about 7-8 grams in total. SWIM definetely noticed effects in his head - SWIM felt drowsy and head became very groggy - a bit like being drunk just not as much fun. Not very stimulating or euphoric.

SWIM now has some Thai Maeng Da which he is going to try - it is apparently a lot stronger.

[Little Wing]

SWIM consumed about 9g of Thai Maeng Da last night but didn't find it much different to the Borneo although vendor claimed it is much stronger. Nothing much happened for a while but after a couple of hours SWIM's head began to ache and he felt a bit groggy and quite hot.

What is SWIM doing wrong? Perhaps SWIM just doesn't respond well to kratom

[Raindrop]

So Swim's a total kratom virgin and she tells me so far "blah." Swim ordered some "Mitragyna speciosa super powder". Swim wants to know if this is some generic kratom, or a certain species like Thai or Bali? Anyway, swim wanted to introduce this into her system very slowly, and she has no mg scale (expensive), so started off just toss n' washing about 1/3 of a teaspoon, maybe slightly less, on an empty stomach. Nothing was noticibly felt. So Swim decided to wait until the weekend and experiment a bit more.

Swim took 1/3 toss n' wash around 1:00pm (empty stomach). About 30 minutes later nothing much was felt, perhaps a slight head drag, and her teeth felt numb. Around 2:15 Swim toss n' washed about 1/2 teaspoon. By 3:00pm Swim felt very tired. Teeth still numb too. Swim was very disappointed at the lack of eurphoria. Swim says it wasn't even a nice tired, mostly her head felt heavy and it was almost like a sick feeling wherein she just wanted to lay down to try to feel better. No fun at all. It didn't last long though, and by 5:00 swim was up again, albeit groggingly. No twitching, no itching. But, swim says, luckily no nausea either, which seems to be a common thing for many. Swim says she wanted europhoria, or at least some sort of functioning buzz. Bummer for her.

[Bajeda]

Swiy should get her kratom from a specialized Kratom vendor, in case she didn't already. Headshops and places offering kratom as a minority item are less likely to have quality kratom products. She should probably start with normal powdered leaf. UEI is worthwhile if she can afford it, but don't bother with other kratom extracts.

1/2 teaspoon is a very low amount. Does swiy have a scale? It doesn't need to measure mg, kratom doses vary by grams. If not, assuming swiy has a normal powdered leaf product the dose will be at least a tablespoon. Check some of the other threads in the kratom forum for information on dose and varieties and the like.

[Raindrop]

Swim did go to a specialized vendor, thought the words "super powder" sounded good when choosing what to order. There are probably other vendors out there though with more varieties she will check out. Swim does have a g scale but it came with no instructions on how to calibrate it, and several buttons swim says she doesn't even know what they mean. Swim also has a very low tolerance level all around right now from lack of illegals, and also weighs only 100lbs, so figured her kratom dose she chose was about right for testing purposes. And since her second dose made her so tired, she would assume more would only intensify that?, which is no good. Swim will try UEI or another type soon and see what happens.

[teagy]

first time testing
male 95kg
premium indo powder 10g
brewed kratom tea 5g and 5g wash and tossed
duration 6hrs

swim was very unsure what to expect from katrom but
did find the experience very pleasant and positve
although swim felt no actually peak as so to speak
it seemed to be a bit of a creeper
nausea was not a problem just very slight stomach ache
which do not last long
swim felt slight stimulation everyday chores
seemed far more interesting
swim felt like he did not have a care in the world
sleep came very easy no CEVs
alround nice xp although rather mild
swim is looking forward to experimenting with
higher doseage swim is confident kratom has
more to offer

[blaze808]

swims experience with kratom has been pretty good, so far swim has used kratom twice.

1st time- swim took about 3 g of "15x powdered leaf" w/ milk. effects seemed to come on within the first 20 mins very unnoticeably. very mild euphoria at first and mild stimulation, but at the same time a very nice body relaxed feeling.
about 3 hours after using swim still felt a very mild euphoria, but now the stimulation seemed to be gone or faded and felt more of a body relaxed feeling. swim then went to sleep, which was very easy and restful. swim came away from this experience unimpressed though.

2nd time- swim took about 4-5 g of the same powdered leaf with milk. The sediment at the bottom of the glass was scraped up and downed with some water. swim felt very simmilar effects during the first 45 mins as 1st time, but a little more mild. swim was shocked though by the euphoria and great relaxing buzz that came after 45 mins. swim was sitting down at the computer and the buzz seemed to suddenly hit him all at once. after this the buzz was great, and swim felt energetic but at the same time very relaxed. swims mind stayed very clear, although a little sluggish feeling. swim became very talkative while at the same time enjoying the great body relaxation.
after about 2 hours after using, swim wasnt tired or drowsy at all but tried closing his eyes. concentrating on relaxation with his eyes closed felt very good for swim and sent mild waves of euphoria through his body.
after about 2 1/2 to 3 hours after using though the effects seemed to be greatly diminished. the comedown was very gentle and swim was left with a nice after buzz for the remainder of the night.

swim asks what in your guys opinion is the best method of ingestion? swim has always read about teas but also read that heat can destroy some of the active alkaloids.

[addicted2hc]

Dose - 6gs per person
Person 1 = 150lbs Person 2 = 130lbs
Onset - Roughly 20 Minutes
Duration - 6 Hours + (Went to bed after that)

SWIM used Uncle R's brew recipe and brewed up around 4 coffee cups of tea. SWIM then chugged it down - no honey no sugar no nothing. Taste was quite bitter(Nothing like i expected, but bearable)

9:45(T+15) Felt a little euphoria, nothing new as SWIM was expecting an opiate buzz. SWIM was more than happy with his purchase.

10:30(T+45)SWIM definitely was feeling full effects and enjoying them greatly. Started itching, nothing like that of other opiates. SWIM didnt feel the "mood lift" some speak of. Sure, SWIM was feeling great, but he didnt feel like doing much but sittin on the couch and playin some Madden 07.

Basically the rest of the night was the same, Music sounded wonderful. No nausea was felt at all. SWIM and his brother did happen to get the munchies something fierce.

Around 2:30AM both of them started feeling headaches around the neck area on the back of the head. It wasnt unbearable, more like a stiff neck.

SWIM definitely plans to do this again sometime in the near future.