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Old 26-02-2007, 17:49
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Re: Kratom experiences

SWIM whole-heartedly hopes SWIY does not. Possibly the last bit of the bag was way more potent as alkaloids sank to the botttom? SWIM doesn't know, he's just speculating.

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sho...93&postcount=6 <- seems to be very similar experience.

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Not long ago, SWIM heard about something legal called kratom. SWIM did her research and eventually ordered. when SWIM got it, she immediatly took 10 grams in a cup of tea, after 15 mins of not feeling anything. SWIM went to make another cup of tea with another 10 grams. While making the tea and beginning to sip it, the effects began to be noticed. SWIM said the initial high reminded her strongly of a coke high where you feel like you need another line to get that coke satisfaction. SWIM continued to drink the tea and finished it in 5 mins. SWIM suddenly couldnt sit because her leg was too jumpy. So she cleaned the house for half an hour. And for the rest of the day enjoyed music VERY MUCH. everytime SWIM heard the song, got lost in it, like the song was all around SWIM. And felt like all day. At night when SWIM tried to sleep, she kept on waking up and actually felt a bit terror.

Has SWIY ever gotten a kratom high like thiS?
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You're right. It is not an opiate. Sorry about that. It is a narcotic, though, as you say. All else applies.
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Swim wrote down a description of his experience with Kratom to give to me, so I transcribed it here:


So I purchased 5g of "15X" Extract (which i have been told is probably like 3X)

I dissolved all 5g in 4oz of water stirred, gulped down. I dont know why people say the taste is so bad because it wasnt that horrible for me, kinda wood tasting

T+10 min~ Began Feeling hot, could tell that it was starting to take effect

T+30min~ Getting a headrush, very similar to coming up on opietes. Felt very dizzy and euphoric. Thought it would be a good idea to burn a CD to sail away to sleep when I was getting so sleepy.

T+45min~ All of a sudden it hit my stomach and I feel like I need to take an ant-acid and lay down, I can always get back up when it subsides

T+1hr~ Listening to a CD, Not very naucoius anymore, very similar to opiates. Start to have a very vivid imagination and I kind of just let my mind sail away like on opietes but to a greater extent. Many people describe this as a half sleep half dream state which i totally agree with

T+2hr~ CD is over now just trying to go to sleep, more awake. I can make my body feel like I am floating like on opietes, like I am the size of the room, like I was swaying from side to side, overall a fun feeling.

T+4hr~ Finally able to drift off to sleep trying every single method. I wonder how benzos would able to nuturalize this effect.

T+9hr~ Woke up, wasnt hard to wake up like on opietes but feeling a little drowsy still. I felt good after I got over being tired, the "afterglow" is more of a happy mind state rather than a hangover. Mild Stomach Sickness

Overall if you are interested in Kratom I would sugguest in trying it to get it out of the way. It was allright but wasnt as good as I expected. Kratom has also made me interested in a trying a mild phycedellic or something that was mind altering in that way.

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Re: Kratom experiences

40grams will have you nodding, might get itchy but..
Tonight SWIM encountered no side effects with an analogue's isolate and decided that if 7-acetoxy mitragynine were taken in a very high dose it would cause hallucinations, euphoria and visuals along with numbing of the body. Don't do this until SWIM does, it will be difficult to obtain and maybe not worth it but SWIM is thinking somewhere between 75mg to 100mg of 7-acetoxy mitragynine (not cheap) would be incredibly visual, euphoric, accompanied with elevated thought processes. SWIM will create a new thread when an account of the psychedelic effect of the isolate has been tried.

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Tayo, when you try that would you please link to the new thread in this thread so I can easily find it.
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Old 20-05-2007, 16:41
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yes, definitely. it may be a few months but it will for sure go up
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Old 01-06-2007, 16:59
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SWIM got his order the other day: 4g 10x extract + 1oz premium kratom leaf (crushed). The extract was mixed into a tea on two occasions. 1) about 1 or 1 1/2 g of the extract, and 2) the rest of the extract. 1) gave SWIM a nice uplifted mood. 2) gave SWIM the same uplifted mood with a tiny bit more of a head buzz (in fact, it's weird, but SWIM felt that the uplifted mood of 2) was less intense that 1)... the head buzz lasted for no more than an hour or so). Nothing psychedelic or mind blowing, but SWIM can see himself using it again if he needed a mild pick-me-up.

SWIM hasn't tried the premium leaves yet, and is wondering how many grams/ounces he should add to his tea. SWIM heard that the extract can sometimes be less effective than the pure leaves. SWIM would like to experience an intense kratom high on at least one occasion. Will this require a lot? How much exactly?

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Old 01-06-2007, 17:40
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Re: Kratom experiences

SWIY could brew up half of it, and just drink one cup or half a cup and see how SWIY feels. Maybe boil a batch of 20grams premium leaf and just start at the lower end and move on up from there. If you have leftover, it can be refridgerated and will last for days.
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Old 01-06-2007, 21:27
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HALF the batch? Would it really take that much?
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Old 01-06-2007, 21:50
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Re: Kratom experiences

possibly... SWIM thinks yes if SWIY is looking for "opiate like effects" but it depends on the quality, SWIY can also reboil the leaves once strained for the first time to get more goodies out. Just a few grams could produce stimulation. It takes alot if SWIY is looking to nod off or feel sedated.
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SWIY can also reboil the leaves once strained for the first time to get more goodies out.
Oh, so SWIM takes it that you don't just gulp down the residue with the liquid. You throw it out like you would an ordinary tea bag?
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The stuff is just no fun when you have a high tolerance.
How true this statment is. With that being said, still swim love Kratom

After swims own personal experience w/ Kratom (5months daily) he feels inclined to just share a word of advice...

Kratom in swims eperience can lead to an apparent addiction that that may be followed by withdrwal symtoms. In regards to the degree of severtity; not too serious (atleast in swims experience) but definetly look forward to a significant weight lose (fatigue).

In attempt to avoid the Kratom pitfall-

Try to limit your use to about once a week, the less the better. Kratom works much better when done less, just like shrooms (unless your a shroom-head ). Kratom is much more enjoyable when done less since for one, your tolerance is much lower as well as the experience is more meaningful.

Also a disturbance concerning sleeping patterns are noted over time w/ use. Finding it very difficult to get sleep, w/ feeling of excess energy, this is noted over time with daily use while using and also prior to abstaining, withdrawls lasting for about 3-4 additional day.

To avoid any of these problematic issues it would be wise to limit your use. peace.

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Re: Kratom experiences

This was SWIM's first real experience with Kratom. SWIM consumed around 1.5-2g of New Guinea 20x Extract. SWIM had previously consumed another 2-2.5g In much smaller doses, and barely felt the effects.

Basically, SWIM felt like what SWIM would imagine Oxycontin to feel like. The only similar feeling SWIM has really had was with Percocet and Vicodin.. It could be compared to taking around 8+ percocets with alcohol, only much stronger. SWIM did actually consume some alcohol with the Kratom, and had taken some DXM maybe 10 hours prior. SWIM is not sure if these substances had an effect on SWIM's buz. SWIM really felt this to be a powerful drug, although pretty expesive for how much it cost/how much SWIM had to take for it to be effective. SWIM is considering trying the drug again, only without other drugs in SWIM's system to possibly change the feeling.
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First Kratom experience was a big let down

Swim had been wanting to try Kratom for a while now after hearing it felt a lot like vikes or percs (which he has not done in about 6 months), and finally decided to pay for an oz of powdered Bali. The package arrived much sooner than expected, so swim was really psyched when he got home from work. All swim had to eat all day was one slice of pizza 6 hours earlier, but he was anxious to try Kratom and thought the empty stomach might prevent nausea.

There were no dosing instructions included so swim just went by a few posts he's read.

0:00 - Swim put 1 level teaspoon powdered Bali in applesauce

0:30 - Nothing felt so far but decides to wait a little longer

0:50 - Takes another level teaspoon via TNW

1:00 - Feels a little bit of warmth but not much else

1:10 - Almost like a shot of liquor. Feels warm and a little light-headed. Not good or bad. Nothing close to an opiate buzz.

1:30 - Feels a little bad now, and the early signs of what may become nausea. Swim thinks maybe the completely empty stomach may be somewhat to blame. So swim eats a pop tart.

1:40 - TNW's another level teaspoon.

1:50 - Feels a little warmer and notices he's staring at the TV like it's one of those 3D hidden image posters. Almost like he's looking through it. Swim used to do this a lot on painkillers so he thinks the buzz he's looking for is close.

2:10 - No change and swim is getting frustrated and hungry.

2:20 - Feeling practically nothing now. Swim thinks doing more Kratom will make swim sick, so he decides to eat, and forget about Kratom.

2:40 - Baseline


Swim definitely felt something but nothing close to anything euphoric. Overall swim felt more bad than good. This could be attributed to the empty stomach or maybe it's just bad Kratom. Swim will probably try it again in a couple of days, but doesn't think a true opiate buzz can come from this stuff. Does swiy have any dosing suggestions or any other advice?
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Total dose: 7.5 grams


Coming up: 1 hour and 15 minutes approx


Total time: 2 hours 20 minutes



Breakdown:


18:30 - Eat a meal (vegetable soup, rice and chicken)

20:35 - Consume 3.75 grams powdered kratom in 125 grams cherry yogurt. Taste is fine, barely noticable in yogurt.

20:45 - Possible very slight twinges of nausea, could be plecebo.

20:55 - Slightly heavy feeling in head and limbs, feeling quite calm

21:05 - Consume second 3.75 gram dose in cherry yogurt

21:15 - Definate but mild feelings of nausea

21:25 - Nausea gone, still feeling only slightly off baseline. Slightly itchy. Dissapointed!

21:45 - Feeling relaxed and slightly "blankety" wondering if perhaps the Kratom is taking time to kick in due to meal before hand.

22:00 - Blankety feeling is stronger. Stood up and felt a bit off balance. Pupils look slightly constricted.

22:10 - Feeling warm and pleasant, but not exceptionally. Still hoping for an increase in effects.

22:50 - Seem to be suddenly back to baseline. Very dissapointed! Experiment concluded.

EDIT!

23:30 - What's going on? SWIM's nice blankety feeling is back. When he moves his head it feels slow to respond, as sensation has to catch up. Feeling at about the same intensity as SWIM did at around 22:10

00:30 - Warm blankety feelings have been coming and going in waves for the last hour or so. Is quite nice, stronger than before the Edit point but still quite mild. Enjoyable still but mild.


Can anyone suggest why this experience was so mild. Could it be due to the fact that SWIM ate beforehand? Perhaps some people have a high natural tolerance? SWIM has never used it before nor any opiates for over 5 years, and even then SWIM used them very infrequently. So doesn't think it could be a tolerance issue.

SWIM is a little dissapointed after hearing such good things about Kratom (especialy since this stuff aint cheap!) and would like to experience it properly, any help much appreciated!

SWIM is thinking next time he should take 7.5 grams in one go, then use two 3.75 gram "boosters" as the trip comes on, so doubling the dose. Opinions?

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Bali Kratom in the Springtime

Hello all, this is my first post to this site! I've been reading over this entire thread, and I find it incredibly interesting.
Here is Swim's experience with Kratom.
Starting: 6'5" male, 22 years of age, 190 lbs., not unfit but not in shape.
Taken on: Empty stomach at 16.25. Woke up at 07.00, worked 08.00-12.00, class 12.00-16.00, no food, one energy drink (Bawls Sugar-Free)
Method of consumption: Bali leaf, boiled. Weight unknown (he was in a hurry) Tea brewed in a French Press, let steep for 30-40 minutes, occasionally plunging the French Press mechanism to upset the leaf material.

Swim has previously only tried Thai crushed leaf, and purchased a full pound (rather hastily, but hey... Live and learn) online. Leaf arrived at Swims house when he returned from class, and he was quite happy. He ran out of Thai last week and was excited to try something new. His order was large because a few of Swims friends enjoyed Kratom as well and wanted to combine orders.
Swim never noticed any numbness of the mouth or throat until he read this thread; today there is a very strong feeling of numbness. The effects are also much stronger than that of Thai, as well as the bitterness. Swim is beginning to suspect that his prior brewings were done too quickly and only low levels of the alkaloids were ingested.
Large cup of tea ingested (ceramic beer stein, actually) because of the supposed tolerance; tolerance disappeared from last week. Should have thought ahead. Swim is currently feeling slightly nauseous but otherwise very well. Not energized but not sleepy. Swim is pretty stoked to get some South Park going.
Swim does notice a slight headache, but this is most likely due to lack of food consumption. He is also noticing that it feels very good to relax his eyes and let them drift out of focus, making typing hard for him. Swim is going to leave the rest of his cup of tea until later, because he feels as though his peak is nowhere near close. He ingested the tea around 20 minutes ago, and is feeling pretty damn good.
Swim does feel a slight increase in temperature; whereas before the tea was drank, his living room was cool and bearable, like a cave in the summer, now it feels quite warm. His forehead is sweating a bit, and he had to take off his hat. Swim is also feeling intense hunger, but... He eats a ton, so this isn't new. Swim is a skinny bastard, regardless of his caloric intake.
Will add updates. Swim is feeling as though a shower would feel freaking awesome right about now. Swims girlfriend is working at Chipotle, and he thinks that it might be a great time to visit her.
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Re: Kratom experiences

age: 33
height: 5' 11"
weight: 190lbs

Healthy, no medications, doctor required or recreational.
non-smoker

Doseage: 1 gram (weighed and confirmed)
Type: 15x "standardized" extract (fine light brown powder)
Method of ingestion: mixed well with 8ozs of tap water and chugged.

Patient ingested kratom at 9am Sunday morning on an empty stomache.

T+:45 > initial effects noted.

Theres really no way/need to explain the feeling. It can be perfectly summarized as the exact same buzz one gets when taking several vicodin or percocet.
An itchy, long lasting ,washing over you euphoria.

Nausea was minimal and on par with other opiates.
drank 2 bottles of Gatorade to avoid any headache from its diuretic effects.
effects lasted for six hours with no negative side effects the following day.

Overall i would say kratom is as much a real deal as any prescribed medication of its class. A truly enjoyable experience that clearly needs to be tempered with a strong sense of self control and restraint. I can easily see its addictive potential.

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Subject 1: SWIM, 27/f, 110 pounds
Dose: 8g "premium" powder + 4g "super" powder, mixed into applesauce
Previous kratom experience: tried it 5-6 times before, 2-8g doses, mild to positive experiences

Subject 2: SH, 28/m, 185 pounds
Dose: 9g "super" powder + 3g "premium" powder, stirred into V8 juice
Previous kratom experience: tried it once before, 6g on a full stomach, felt very little effect


700pm: Last night SWIM and her husband (SH) each took 12 grams, in two doses 30 minutes apart. Neither had eaten anything since early afternoon.

800pm: Peak effects felt. They felt happy and sedated, lying on the floor listening to music, talking a little bit. The body load felt very nice. Walking around was difficult and made SWIM dizzy, but just lying down was dreamy and euphoric. SWIM would describe it as a pleasant weakness. This lasted awhile, then SH began to feel queasy, which got progressively worse.

930pm: SH vomited. He thought he felt better afterwards, and decided to eat something. SWIM still felt good at this point, but decided to eat something too, since she hadn't eaten for awhile.

10pm: They cooked some salmon burgers. SWIM was only able to eat half of hers, so SH ate the rest. Half an hour later he vomited it all up again. He felt a little better after puking, but still not very good. SWIM was still feeling pretty strong effects from the kratom, but also had the feeling of nausea creeping up on her. Standing up and focusing the eyes became very difficult. She was also itching, but it wasn't too bad.

11pm: They went and lay in bed, where they both drifted into a dreamlike state, which consisted of brief, extremely vivid dream fragments. SWIM was aware that she was half awake, and attempted to follow some thoughts, but found it easier and more pleasant to just let her mind wander and experience the intense visual and auditory effects of the dream fragments.

12am: SWIM was jerked awake by severe nausea, trembling, and dizziness. Her heart was pounding at 100 bpm. She could barely move because of the shakes and dizziness. She also felt very thirsty, but drinking water made the nausea worse. SH held her in bed and tried to help her relax. He felt completely better by now, didn't feel the kratom anymore, and was able to eat again. SWIM's symptoms lasted almost two more hours. By 2am she felt better. SWIM and SH were tired then and fell asleep. They slept well and slept late this morning. They felt a little drained when they got up but were otherwise fine.


SH doesn't want to take kratom again. He thinks it's not worth the nausea and vomiting. SWIM will probably take it again at some point, but won't take as much. 7-8 grams seems to be a good dose for her. 12g was too much.

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Re: Kratom experiences

Swim has now experienced kratom about 5 times, and would just like to add he has NEVER experienced an opiate like euphoria, sedation, or a good nod from it. Swim always feel very amped up or somewhat dysphoric. It kinda feels like bad speed or like he's coming off a high dose of Dexedrine. Swim has tried 10x and 15x standardized extracts from xxxx and recently Bali powdered leaf. He has tried it in tea, sucking on it and parachuting with varied doses. Swim is guessing that his daily intake of meds has something to do with his failed attempts at achieving kratom euphoria. Swim is prescribed a daily regimen of 2 separate opiates one for chronic diarrhea and one for chronic pain, and he has been on them for quite some time now. Has anyone else run in to this issue or had the same experience? Swim is guessing that his receptors are already flooded, over stimulated, or not so receptive anymore to certain components of kratom. On a slightly better note he has been able to use kratom to curb the w/d's when he prematurely run out of my meds at the end of the month (which always seems to happen) it doesn't produce the same effects as his meds but does keep him from getting sick etc..

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I have now experienced kratom about 5 times, and would just like to add I have NEVER experienced an opiate like euphoria, sedation, or a good nod from it. I always feel very amped up or somewhat dysphoric. It kinda feels like bad speed or like im comming off a high dose of dexedrine. I have tried 10x and 15x standardized extracts from IAS and recently Bali powdered leaf. I have tried it in tea, sucking on it and parachuting with varied doses. I am guessing that my daily intake of meds has something to do with my failed attempts at acheiving kratom euphoria. I am prescribed a daily regimen of 2 seperate opiates one for chronic diarhea and one for chronic pain, and I have been on them for quite some time now. Has anyone else run in to this issue or had the same experience? I am guessing that my receptors are already flooded, over stimulated, or not so receptive anymore to certain components of kratom. On a slightly better note I have been able to use kratom to curb the w/d's when I prematurely run out of my meds at the end of the month (which always seems to happen) it doesnt produce the same effects as my meds but does keep me from getting sick etc..
It could be the type or quality of the kratom and/or vendor. My guess is its that same thing with most people who ive heard describe using kratom and opiates. They say that they believe kratom and opiates cancel each other out or some say that the opiates block any effects the kratom has on one.
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Swim has now experienced kratom about 5 times, and would just like to add he has NEVER experienced an opiate like euphoria, sedation, or a good nod from it. Swim always feel very amped up or somewhat dysphoric. It kinda feels like bad speed or like he's coming off a high dose of Dexedrine. Swim has tried 10x and 15x standardized extracts from xxxx and recently Bali powdered leaf. He has tried it in tea, sucking on it and parachuting with varied doses. Swim is guessing that his daily intake of meds has something to do with his failed attempts at achieving kratom euphoria. Swim is prescribed a daily regimen of 2 separate opiates one for chronic diarrhea and one for chronic pain, and he has been on them for quite some time now. Has anyone else run in to this issue or had the same experience? Swim is guessing that his receptors are already flooded, over stimulated, or not so receptive anymore to certain components of kratom. On a slightly better note he has been able to use kratom to curb the w/d's when he prematurely run out of my meds at the end of the month (which always seems to happen) it doesn't produce the same effects as his meds but does keep him from getting sick etc..
Dysphoria is usually indicative of too high a dose. If SWIY is opiate tolerant from chronic use as you say, about the best he can probably hope for from kratom is a reprieve from opiate withdrawals according to most reports I have read from chronic pain patients. Kratom is a rather subtle drug, and if one's receptors are used to a hammer, they won't feel a love-tap.

I'd reckon that chronic kratom use might very well allow SWIY to drop the anti-diarrheal medication entirely, judging from my buddy Eddie's experience.
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This happened when kratom was legal, and my friend bought it from a shop that withdrew it when it became illegal, so I'm telling you it was legal at the time.

Anyways, here is my "friend's" report:


We were in Nimbin, I made my father stop, and I bought some normal crappy kratom. It was quite dark looking finely shredded leaf, not powdered, more like oregano.
Not green either, more a dark, military grey colour leaf.

I got back to the hotel we were staying at, and since they didn't have a stove [or even a microwave I don't think] I just put half the bag in each cup, and filled with boiling water.

I would have had about ten of the fifteen, and put about five in my father's cup.
Left it ten minutes with stirring, the 'tea' went a slightly green colour.
I chugged it, and got my father to do the same.

Waited, waited. First twinge was after about 15 minutes, but then nothing.
Then waves a little wired at first, definite opiate mental effects, but body warmth was less pronounced.
By half an hour there was marked analgesia, and some body warmth, but still, compared to opiates, cooler than them and less cloudy.

1hour was about the peak, but the peak continued for one hour. By this time there was a definite rushy electric effect, lots of people say hydro has this, but I've never had hydro. Nevertheless, I felt relaxed, definitely relaxed, because that old opiate feeling was good and strong.

I had never had kratom before, but opiates were familiar to me.
I was really surprised at the power of this plant. Very surprised, because I had persevered with legal herbs for ages to no avail. I went to the bathroom mirror, and was amazed to see I had pinhole pupils. Just this knowledge, that it really was the kratom and not just me, sent me off even more. I guess, the fact that it was not psychosomatic, actually made me relax and think "wow, you are not kidding yourself, this is real." and it disinhibited me from enjoying the experience, it sort of "allowed" me to be like , wow, those pupils are real, this is actually working, I'm not just imagining it.

Anyway, all opiate effects were fully confirmed, it was just so surprising. My father was very naive about it all, since it was legal, he didn't know what to make of it, but definitely he was obviously more relaxed than his usual tense self, and said he felt relaxed too.
At the end I felt slightly raised pressure in the head, but it was not unpleasant, and again, it confirmed the opiate type effects I was having. Sedation at the end was still slight, but the warmth had improved. This was roughly four hours later.
Interestingly, I got absolutely no itch whatsoever from the kratom, but swim always got it from opiates. I don't mind the itch, and since I feel the itch as synonymous with the warmth, I think that is the only reason that the kratom felt slightly "cooler" without it.

Although I did get a rushing euphoria, I nevertheless slept perfectly well, actually better with the kratom than without.
Also, I felt the same analgesic cozy and fuzzy feeling in my stomach and abdomen, but got no nausea, this was a definite plus.

In all, it lasted four hours, with a full peak after one hour, lasting until the second hour. The post peak was still very good, definitely better than the pre peak.
Also, it had none of the negatives of real opiates, and all of the positives.
I just think the lack of histamine/mild allergic effects explains why some of the full opiate spectrum were not felt [mainly itching and nausea] and although they are not positive in themselves, I guess I had grown accustomed to them as sort of "confirming" type effects at other times, which signalled opiates were in full swing.

I guess, if I had not been acclimatized to those two side effects, I could get happy to being used to it without 'em, and would have felt the full euphoria without any "Oh but wait, what about that other side effect, where it that?" that you ask yourself to check if an opiate is working.
Hard to explain.

Kratom is good stuff, wish it was legal again, but with our tyrannical and paranoid TGA
I don't think there will ever be a second thought for kratom on our fair shores.

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I can pretty much second radios post. swim took kratom to withdrawal of opiates and it takes a few opiate free days to start and feel the kratom well enough.
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I can pretty much second radios post. swim took kratom to withdrawal of opiates and it takes a few opiate free days to start and feel the kratom well enough.
Hmmm, that's an interesting point.........my swim had some very recently, and it was just weird, like not bad, but sort of just no0thing. And h9s pupils actually got BIGGER, not t'uthah way round.

It was within 24 hours of his last hit. But he's not complaining, it was almost purely just to stave off the dread witdrorrrrrrrals that were coming, and yes, it saved him.

So like, after taking the kratom and exceeding the 24 hour limit, he wasn't sick at all. Ok yes, he had afew pangs, but feeling fine wasn't expected, but he was as close to that as you could get.

He was then able to make a schmooooooode transition back onto his prescription buprenorphine.

So, he says, all praise to kratom, fun or not, it saved him from a woild of pain.

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