Experiences - Kratom experiences

[UNIBLACK810]

SWIM' first time purchasing kratom was a few days ago. SWIM has to agree and disagree with some of the post's. SWIM is a long time opiate addict and recovering addict. SWIM has a very high tolerance to opaite's and know's them inside and out. SWIM drank kratom this weekend and found himself MUCH MUCH more higher than SWIM expected. Although some people say they found it to be more like a mild vicodin or percocet high SWIM found it to be like a failrly decent H euphoria or a good oxy buzz. Lasted very long and SWIM even experienced after effects the next morning after smoking a ciggarette. SWIM's first dose was about 25 grams though of powder. SWIM found it to be a terrible taste but the buzz was worth it. SWIM's 3rd day of useage SWIM found tolereance buildig so SWIM mixed it with 2 MS contin 60's and found it to be unbelievable! Kratom is definetly worth trying and SWIM reccommend's it to anyone who enjoy's opiates.

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Thanks.

[wtfdustinwtf]

AFOAF had found out about Kratom one day, he deiced to buy one oz, regular dried kratom leafs. Well AFOAF had a little mix up in the product. Instead of getting what was bought he had gotten 30 grams of 15x extract.

The first experince he had was with 1/4 a teaspon mixed with about 3 1/2 cups of water, sugar and fresh NC sour wood honey was added, medium heat for 10 minutes, strained through a coffee filter. But for some reason AFOAF decided to lick off much of the powder on the filter.

Three people were there, 2 had approximatly 3-4 medium sips, while AFOAF drank the rest. Experiences where not really understood the first time, but a few hours later, when AFOAF thought the effects would wear off, he was awear of how good he felt almost pure euphoria. AFOAF loved himself,, loved everyone around him,, his mind calmed down (which is ussualy very very very actively thinking about ever thing that the senses could pick up) because AFOAF had such a strange and active mind,, he ussualy never understood why people made statements the way the did.(he usuall just bealived there thought process stoped when it should of continued) AFOAF would "shoot them down" there statements and ideas in many logical ways giveing reasons and his oppinion, well on this lovely tea AFOAF was much nicer calmer and joined in the conversations without being such an idea killer.

These effects where almost nulled when cannabis was smoked... but the self love was still there.

After this experince AFOAF would make the same thing each day,, but with out straining and the use of about 1/3 a teaspoon of kratom. The effects were amazing, sedation, euphoria, self love, calmness, and what was very similar to about 30 MG of hydrocodone for him. after about 2 hours AFOAF would get very tired, very sedated, and would lay down. He would have such vived and lucied dreams/visions, without falling asleep most of the time. It was later noted that as soon as AFOAF went into this lucid state, even for 5 minutes, if he was awoken from that state all effects were lost, and just the slightest buzz was clearly felt. AFOAF tried drinking a second cup (which was really 3 cups) after 2-3 hours from awaken but no difference in persepction and feeling was noticed. Which was a waste for him. AFOAF wanted to acomplish things like he would on opiates but for some reason he couldnt do it. He theorized he had taken too much each time. Though he realized it when he still had quite a lot left, he enjoyed the lucid dream state so much he didnt cut back.

After all kratom was used up,, AFOAF realized that with his next order a smaller does would be used,, to find the best level..

AFOAF recently ordered maeng Da strain and is expecting it on saturday.
AFOAF will use it in a smaller does and more efficently.. for he loved how much he can acomplish with opiates.

AFOAF enjoys kratom very much.. and considers it like the "spice" form the movie Dune *1984*

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Thanks for the report. Please include age and weight in the future, if possible.

[harrygoldfarp]

Male age 37. 5ft8inches 69kg in good health and in a good mood. Home alone.
Ultra Enhanced Indo Kratom (UEI). dose 1.5g > 1g oral, 0.5g smoked in a few spliffs along with some nice weed.
Method. Toss and wash.


Swim done the same oral dose a couple of weeks ago and found it really nice. Swim used to be addicted to heroin (clean 7 months apart from one minor slip) so absolutly can't do opiates from poppies or opoids. Swim knows its similar but finds Kratoms diffrent, it doesn't leave swim feeling shit or with cravings like heroin does and fades away nicely to leave swim feeling happy and content with no desire to use it again the next day.

Swim ate breakfast in the morning but didn't eat anything after that until he ate the UEI kratom so hadn't eaten for about 6 hours. Drank a glass of grapefruit juice about a half hour before dosage. Apparently it works as a potentiator somehow. Swim don't Know how but hopefully it will help get the most out of swims dose.

It's 3pm now and swim ate the UEI kratom at 2'05 using the toss and wash method. Put it on a spoon then into mouth and washed it back with gulps of grapefruit juice. It tastes disgusting. Really hate the taste, thats one of the reasons swim chose UEI, its a hell of a lot more potent than regular powdered Kratom so less to get down. Swim is starting to feel the effects now. Swims feeling nice, a bit euphoric and and the itchies slightly so thats a good sign. happily there's no sign of nausea. Gonna wrap up a weed spliff put some music on and make swimself a nice cup of earl grey tea

4'15 now and swim is feeling nicely stoned and sedated and a really nice body high, a warm feeling of euphoria .Slight itchies but still no nausea. Swim actualy put a bit of UEI kratom in his spliff with the weed just to see what it smokes like and it tasted quite nice he said. The music's sounding well cool (porcupine tree) and swim feels sooooo relaxed, he's lying on his bed with his laptop and is gonna close his eyes and relax some more.

6'31 Swim just got back from the land of nod. Just come round from what can only be described as bliss. Quite heavily sedated, again with nice warm body high. Vivid images in the minds eye and mild euphoria sprung up from pleasent and positive thoughts and feelings. Seemed to swim like he ony had his eyes shut for about ten minutes was actually over 2 hours. Still got the itchies. One thing swim has noticed about a kratom high is that when you come round off a nod you feel quite alert, even though you're sedated, not at all groggy. Really nice.. Swim is starting to feel hungry. Right, swim's gonna have some food.

6'47 Swim had a grilled cheese and pastrami sandwich.

7'00 Swim built himself a big spliff with weed and put a generous pinch of UEI in. Swim is smoking it now and it tastes tasty and is definatly intensifying the high. Wether thats just the weed or both not sure but certainly is an enjoyable smoke nonetheless. Swim has smoked half the spliff now feels like closing his eyes and relaxing. Really itchy and swim feels a bit nautious now. Nausia quickly fades away once swim lays down and relaxes, he drifts off into a blissful nod.

9'00 The euphoria experienced earlier in the evening seems to be wearing off now. Swim still feels sedated but. Swim decides to make another weed/Uei spliff.

9'30 Swim is as stoned as a newt after blazing that spliff Not so much sedated now just heavily stoned.

9'45 Swim gueses thats about it most of the Kratom effects have died right down. Swim still feels it a bit and is pleased and content with the high.

Swim drfted off to sleep soon after and slept like a baby. Woke up for work at 7am feeling a lil bit rough but had a coffee and was good to go, in a reasonably good mood for that time in the morning. No comedown or any real after effects.

It was an unusual high. Definatly opiate like but more euphoric swime thinks.

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Nice descriptive report. If you could edit your post to show the time like most the other posts in this thread do, that...

[indeed]

SWIM has been experimenting with kratom, he is 200 lbs 6'1" and very athletic. He tried with 8 grams of kratom because he is a big person. He was using kratom powder though he wasn't sure what strain, he thinks bali. this was his experience

+10 slight warming feeling in stomach

+20 slight waves of euphoria pass through body from core to limbs

+30 euphoria intensifies

+45 euphoria intensifies, though SWIM does not think it will get stronger

+1hr. SWIM is very high, very very high. euphoria is almost overwhelming, but very enjoyable, things get funnier although SWIM does not laugh because he is too relaxed to laugh

+1hr 30min SWIM believes it has platued still feels very amazing though

+2hrs SWIM is very happy/relaxed he is melowing out and leveling off of the kratom

+3hrs Kratom throughs something new at SWIM, SWiM feels like his brain is expanding outside of hs head, but SWIM thinks its ok and feels relaxed and a little euphoric about it because it feels funny and good.

+4hrs SWIM is ok very mellow and happy

+6hrs SWIM feels like he is nearly back to baseline though he feels very good and happy still, SWIM desides to go to bed, bed is extreamly confortable much more than normal, sleep comes easy.

Next morrning: SWIM feels extreamly well rested on only 7 hours of sleep swim has a "out-of-it-day" he is ok but mellowly diconected wishes this feeling was different but oh well

Next day: SWIM is completely normal again

very good product SWIM recomends it, SWIM says be carfull on dose though because he has done more and he then felt nausiated, SWIM peaks at 10 grams

Onset: 20 min
Peak: 1 hour - 1:30
Duratain: 6 or so hours

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	Good first post and report. Well done.
	clear post, includes the info we want

[tisanemaster]

SWIM took kratom yesterday and it was awesome.

SWIM's friends arrived at his place at 9:30 PM and started drinking vodka.
SWIM decided he would not drink and instead he chose to brew kratom tea with what he had left (about 10 grams) and then, while peaking, at another party he planned to go with his friends, he would smoke 15x kratom extract to intensify kratom's effects.

Then SWIM and his friends left to go to the party at about 10:30 PM (+0:30 after consumption). Needless to say his friends were already a little bit drunk and swim was coming up. This was mild but very noticeable. SWIM sensed warmth and love around him and was feeling happy. SWIM has had back pain since he was about 13 years old and it faded out completely thanks to the kratom he took. On his way walking, SWIM then packed a bowl of extract in a pipe and smoked it (+0:50). The smoke was very smooth and almost had a pleasant taste. Then, they arrived to the party (+1:00) and swim smoked a couple other bowls of extract. SWIM was peaking and he was happy.

Most of the people at the party were not SWIM's friends but he still was interested in them and talked a bit. Then, SWIM and his 2 friends went to
the basement to hang out.

+1:05: The basement was pretty dark and that's when SWIM realized that he had mild closed eyes visuals and slight opened eyes visuals too. SWIM's description will be exaggerated, but SWIM doesn't really know how to explain it otherwise. Remember that it was less intense than what you're reading. When he closed his eyes, he would see vague shapes fading in the back of his eyelids. With his eyes opened, he would see some little dots of various colors floating around, especially in the periphery of his vision. He also had a "checkers" (patterning effects with vague squares of 2 different tones) effect when he would look at a wall or at a carpet, but only when lighting was 100% appropriate.

+1:30: Then, SWIM felt a wave of warmth, love, empathy, and sensuality embracing him. SWIM started cuddling with one of his friends, who is a girl very close and important to him, but who is not his girlfriend. SWIM doesn't know how to explain his relation with her, it's pretty complicated. Readers have to understand that SWIM is extremely shy and private and isn't used to touch other people. SWIM wasn't very shy anymore, he was more confident. At that time, SWIM was in pure ecstasy. This was the first time SWIM touched a girl in a more sensual (but this wasn't sexual at all) way and it was incredible. It was like if SWIM felt all the love, pleasure and warmth in the world at the same time and the kratom did a very good job at helping. It was like if every sensation was intensified in a significant way.

Then, SWIM and his friend cuddled, talked, carressed, and laughed until it was pretty late (3:00 PM, so +5:00) and then everyone went home. SWIM can't really tell when the real effects stopped because he has been feeling a very pleasant afterglow since last night. He had a very mild headache during the afternoon, but it faded in one half-hour and that showed once again that kratom is an incredible plant.

SWIM loves those kinds of experiences because these drugs can help him to get a more positive outlook on life and can also help him to become more confident with people.

Kratom might very well become SWIM's new drug of choice!

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Very nice report, thanks for sharing.

[Senor Gribson]

swim recently got ahold of some supposed 10x kratom powder (it was in a foil packet with a cellophane window on one side, some of you may know the kind i'm talking about). swim had only done codeine once before and was not very satisfied, and was not really expecting much more from kratom.

anyway, having had it for about a month and never getting around to trying it, he figured he'd try about 3g at a small gathering to see what it was like. when he got to his friend's house he boiled up some water and mixed in the 3 grams of powder, letting it simmer for about half an hour and then stirring in some honey. after the honey was dissolved in the tea, swim poured the contents into a mug, which he left to sit on the counter while he went on a mission to get a blunt wrap. on returning, he began to sip the tea, which wasn't nearly as bitter as some people claim. then again, only 3 grams of plant material was used.

after swim was nearly half finished the cup, his mouth began to feel numb much like it does when he drinks straight liquor. soon afterwards he began to feel more energetic. swim was not expecing this since kratom is supposed to be a depressant, but swim often feels energetic when he is drinking so he supposed this could be a kratom effect.

soon after finishing the drink, swim decided to roll a blunt. having no working light near the rolling table, he lit a candle. at the time, the table with the candle and pile of grass seemed like such a scene. a kodak moment as it were... anyway he finished the blunt and sparked it up, passing it to various aquaintances who showed up in the vicinity. this blunt hit him like no other! he was completely baked. until the mj high began to wear off, he felt no effects he could attribute to kratom except the unbelievably strong high he got off the blunt.

about an hour after the blunt, swim felt his mind would keep drifting in random directions and he could not really focus on anything. he also seemed to lack the usual munchies he gets. he also believed it got a lot warmer outside, and had no need for a jacket, while his friends insisted it was just as cold as before.

as the night progressed, swim began to feel distant and was not very interested in conversation. eventually he got tired of the party and went home. once home, swim tried playing the guitar which he finds is especially enjoyable when high/drunk but his hands werent cooperating with him. eventually he gave up and went to bed. even though he was feeling unusually tired, swim had some trouble getting to sleep. he would begin dreaming but still feel like he was awake. maybe he really was asleep. the next morning swim woke up at 2 pm feeling tired and a bit dehydrated.
i would also like to note that swim felt no nausea through the whole experience

overall swim was very disappointed with the effects of kratom. not that they weren't strong enough, this was one of the few "legal highs" that had any real effects at all. they just didn't suit swim at the time. maybe this would be more fun in a different setting, who knows...

[oz_steve]

Last night swim had his second Kratom experience.

The first time he had 3g of 15x mixed with water and it tasted like stinky old mulch... and the effect was trivial.

This time swim made 6g in a chocolate milkshake. It actually tasted nice!

Swim drank this about 10:30pm. The first onset of effects was after 10 minutes with a slight light-headedness, perhaps hightened by nervousness about the larger dose just taken (we will try these larger doses, won't we LOL). However, the effects seemed to stop there and swim was disappointed.

Fortunately, over the following 2 hours he became progressively more relaxed and then happy almost to the point of bliss. Swim watched some sort of early Peter Greenaway film and laughed his nuts off. The overall effect was mildly euphoric and once it had taken hold, consistent throughout.

These effects lasted for about 6 hours. At one point near the end swim felt slightly odd for a few minutes and his heart sped up, a la speedy drugs, but that quickly passed. Swim finally tried to sleep but could not - though lying there spacing out was very nice.

He was still slightly stoned at 9 the next morning after maybe 4 hours sleep and felt good all day. In this respect it was the opposite of the usual dodgy drug experience!

Kratom may not be one for the thrill seekers amongst you, but it's pretty damned nice for a legal high (here in the UK anyway).

[s0uThp4rk]

SWIM has used Kratom 3 times so far.

1st time

2-4 Grams dried leaves in tea, premium-commercial. Effects hit very quickly, and SWIM felt very relaxed and sedated. This lasted for SWIM approx 2-3 hours. After that, he felt normal, and went to bed. The next morning SWIM had found that he slept 11 hours, which wasn't all that uncommon. (SWIM has been having trouble with depression for quite some time) He did notice, that he felt dizzy and had some feelings of an alcohol like hangover.

2nd try

SWIM tried about the same amount in tea, but also injested the leaves after the tea was made. He had the same feelings as the experience noted above, with effects lasting approx the same. He listened to some music and felt that he could enjoy it more. Then later on he went to bed, and had no trouble falling asleep. The next morning there was no alcohol like hangover, and he felt normal.

3rd try

SWIM was just eating the leaves somewhat throughout the day, because he didn't want the effects to last too long. He didn't prepare any tea that night, but just instead ate leaves. Hard to say how many leaves he injested, but it was probably 2-4 grams, more like 3 grams. He was getting the same feellings as with the tea, but with shorter amounts of time each lasting about a half hour. Then he had some leaves before he went to bed. Something strange happened then - SWIM was trying to go to sleep in a dream. He thought he was still laying there in his real bed trying to go to sleep but he was actually asleep in a dream. Very hard to describe. Strange things were going on in SWIM's room. Seemed as if someone was throwing crap in his bed. (Most of these things that were in his bed were belongings of his dad, but SWIM doesn't understand what that was supposed to mean) He then heard someone on the phone outside his room. Some other things happened - but it was fairly short lived. SWIM does remember, however that he woke up after something that was thrown in his bed was being pulled away by something. He woke up, and was wondering what that was all about. Then SWIM's cat jumped up and he knew he wasn't dreaming - or at least he thought he was kind of waiting for the cats face to morph or something. ha. The dream itself was a very interesting experience, but it is a bit hazy about what actually occurred.

[KratomIs]

Well before swim started using Kratom he had been running into a very bad alcoholic phase of his life. He started using it as a tea, buying from alot of different vendors. Until swim found Thai Kratom , and I know it's strong, because swim has tried many types of Kratom so far in the last 8 months.

PREPARATION:

Start with about 5 grams and then boil for 15-25 minutes.
Then eat 2 or 3 antacid's to not get sick
Don't add sugar, honey or anything else and drink about 800 ml of it fast!

EXPERIENCE:

Always energentic, sometimes euphoric.

Swim's problem is now, he has lost weight, by almost quiting drinking, but sleeping is not happening that often, and now he uses it almost everyday.

anyone else have problems sleeping??
Has anyone else been able to stop using alcohol because of heavy kratom use?

The most amazing thing swim have found with using Kratom for the last 8 months, is he is almost a non drinker. This means alot since his usual was 6-10 beers a day, a couple shots. Now he drinks 2 24 ounce beers a week, and is beginning to lose weight very fast!




IF YOU WANT TO QUIT DRINKING GIVE REAL KRATOM A TRY!

[s0uThp4rk]

Kratom is said to have properties that stop addiction. The weight loss is probably related to Kratom's effects that make it so you don't feel hungry. SWIM knows, because when he uses Kratom he doesn't eat nearly as much and he was losing small amounts of weight. Also, SWIM is an everyday caffeine drinker, he drinks more caffeine then normal by any standard. (Has gone up to 400-600 MG a day! Now, it's only about 200MG/day) With Kratom, he drinks FAR less caffeine.

So, yes if anyone really wanted to quit something, like smoking Kratom would be a VERY good thing to try. (Might shed LBs too, though)

[Alfa]

This was posted in "Kratom Pure Alkaloids" experience

Originally Posted by ReynardTheFox

So Bob called round again to tell me about his experience with Kratom tea. He says he used 25g of leaf and the standard Kratom tea procedure, reducing the final brew down to about 150ml before drinking. He described the final product as "quite possibly the most fearsome thing he has ever encountered; imagine the worst cup of coffee you've ever had - that someone has left sitting in a basement for twenty years; now imagine someone taking a dump in it; now imagine heating it up in a microwave; now ima..."

I stopped Bob at this point. I get the picture, I said - it doesn't taste very nice.

"Not 'arf"

So what about the effects, I ask him. Well, Bob says that again, quite an indistinct experience, hard to quantify. Bob says he might consider trying different sources, or a different dose, were it not for one thing: the almighty hangover the next day. Bob says he didn't drink any alcohol this time, so the headache element was thankfully missing. And whilst there was a slightly pleasant afterglow of "out-of-it-ness", this was more than offset by the overwhelming lethargy and tiredness.

So Bob doesn't think he'll be doing it again, unless anyone has any tips for the next-day-blues?

[Psych0naut]

SWIM bought 6 grams of premium Kratom in the smarthshop.
He hasn't done Kratom before, and thought 3 grams would be a good dose to start with, so he mixed it through a cup of
chocolate milk and heated it in the microwave

T 21:25 SWIM ingested the cup of chocolate milk containing the Kratom. He doesn't notice the bitter taste many people describe, it just tastes like chocolate milk always dose, the only difference is there's grounded up herbs floating in it.

T 21:47 SWIM reads the dosage page of Erowid, and sees that 3 grams of premium is a rather small amount, so SWIM decides to redose and take the other 3 grams. He mixes it through chocolate milk again, and heats it in his microwave.

T 21:55 SWIM ingests his second cup of chocolate milk, containing 3 grams of premium Kratom. Total amount of premium Kratom ingested is 6 grams.

T 22:25 SWIM doesn't feel much, almost nothing at all.

T 22:45 SWIM is finally feeling some of the warm opiate feeling, also, SWIM is more social, he just had a short conversation and he really enjoyed it. The warm feeling is slightly increasing, and SWIM is also feeling relaxed. It's time to listen to some Coldplay and Massive attack.

T 23:00 SWIM is defenitavely feeling some of the warm opiate feeling, and is pretty relaxed, listening to some Coldplay. Time also appears to fly for SWIM, 15 minutes seems like just a couple of minutes. SWIM doesn't think the feeling is going to increase much, which is a bit of a bummer for the price SWIM had to pay for the Kratom, but he is certainly going to order some more, and try a bigger dose next time.

T 23:15 SWIM still feels the same as 15 minutes ago, though the feeling seems to fade away when SWIM walks around. When SWIM sits or lies down, the feeling starts to increase again, but fades away when SWIM moves around again.

T 23:30 The feeling seems to have faded, SWIM is feeling very little at the moment, though his mind is still a bit clouded.

SWIM barely feels the warm opiate feeling he had earlier ago, the feeling appears to come up en fade away again after a while.

T 00:06 SWIM is feeling some of the warm feeling again, he's going to grab a blanket, rap it around himself, and get cosy. On second though, SWIM didn't grab the blanket, he just stayed on his chair, and continued surfing Drugs-forum.

T 00:50 SWIM is still feeling relaxed, but the warm feeling is gone, he is practically at baseline. This experience wasn't as good as he hoped for, but SWIM is definetafely going to do it again with a higher dose.

T 01:23 SWIM thought it was over, but some weird feeling is coming back again, he is feeling weird in his stomach, he's going to get a glass of milk.

T 02:24 SWIM is still feeling a bit "weird", though no other effects are
noticed. This is the end of the experience. SWIM is going to do a larger dose of Kratom soon enough, and he will post the experience again.

[Nicaine]

SWIM recently picked up a couple ounces of crushed Bali leaf, which he powdered himself in a blender. He was addicted to kratom from mid summer '05 to early summer '06 (~30 gram/day habit) but kicked it finally. He's been dabbling again recently, ~10 grams once/day at most (usually less often). Similar to opiates, kratom is enjoyable when done occasionally but nearly worthless when done regularly. SWIM noticed his pupils are pinpoint at moderate doses again. When the plant matter is consumed along with liquid in 'kratom tea', effects last approx. 6 hours. Liquid alone, effects last 3 to 4 hours.

[TheInevitable]

Subject: 23/m, light smoker/user
Dose: 2-4 Tablespoons Dried Kratom Leaf, 40ml Vodka, empty stomach

Swim had tried these so-called "legal alternatives" about 3 years before and was turned off by a bad experience (aka, waste of time and money) but swim recently craved someway to expand swim's mind, legally. Because God knows with a career getting caught with illegal substances is not on the top of swim's list. Originally searching for Salvia swim began surfing and once a suitable site was found curiosity took hold and swim found Kratom and began researching. Effects sounded interesting so swim figured it was worth a try... sorry for the long intro but swim felt it was needed for those who were as skeptical as swim originally was.

Swim used the method first mentioned in this thread. 2-4 tablespoons, 80 proof vodka microwave method. QUITE Effective!

Swim soaked and strained twice to be sure at active ingredient was removed from the dried leafs and drank with honey.

(+10 mins) No effects felt except a slight numbness of the throat.
(+20 mins) Decided to turn off the T.V. and surf the web for a bit... this made effects far more noticible (maybe because no sound). An immediate euphoria was felt washing over swims head and face. Jaw went numb and eyes had a "high" feeling to them, droopy and heavy.
(+45 mins) Effects are plateauing but are still quite intense. A surreal calm has been obtained, as if the problems of the day just, didn't matter anymore. Swim feels a bit sleepy though not drowsy, this is probably due to the Stimulant effects blending well with the Opiate effects.
(+1.5 hr) Swim is still feeling great and unlike the first post swim has no nausea what so ever. Beginning to feel a slight tingley feeling over the legs, which may be caused by the Kratom or by the fact that Swim hasn't moved an inch in over an hour and swims legs are starting to fall asleep.
(+2 hrs) Effects are still noticeable but having drank on an empty stomach swim is getting really hungry. Let see what pos/neg effects food has on the euphoria.
(+2.5 hrs) Well as expected the food has diminished the euphoric effects for the time being. A slight sensation is still noticeable but nothing like before.
(+4 hrs) The effect is gone now and swim is back to normal. So far swim hasn't felt any "come-down" which is good.

Overall this experience has rekindled swim's desire to deeper explorer the realm of natural (& legal) ways to experience life. Granted this "trial run" didn't allow for much worldly exploration but the effects needed to be documented first hand before taking them elsewhere.

Where?
Perhaps a sandy beach at sun rise, the woods in fall or a mountain top... someday.

Thanks For Reading.

[radiometer]

All your ideas sound good, t_inevitable. SWIM particularly enjoyed walking in nature when he was first getting acquainted with kratom. My only advice is to not get too used to kratom, SWIM can tell you from experience that a daily habit is a pain in the ass.

[KomodoMK]

SWIM put the entire contents of a 2g vial of 15x extract from EDIT into a cup of tea with sugar. The majority of it dissolved into the tea. The drink was consumed fast after stirring well for 10-15 minutes, taste was not all that bad. It was taken on an empty stomach and no feelings have nausea have been present. No effects have been felt over 2 hours later except some minor itches every so often and possibly a little more relaxed, however this could have just been due to lying down and listening to music. Bored waiting for anything to happen, so SWIM has decided to get a few stellas down his neck.

SWIM has not felt anything as described in the products comments on EDITS site and here. Waste of money.

[howlongisthenight]

SWIM has an odd one for you guys. He recently bought 25g of kratom from a source that he cant technically verify that plant's quality (internet) The first time he used it he loaded it into capsules and took a decent amount, but for the most part was guaging how his body reacted. Second time he took it he took a lot more (15 grams maybe, he doesnt have a scale) and two tramadols. The effect was pleasant but seemed alot like just taking tramadol. So the third one....swim is sick. Last night he took some cough medicine. It was DXM-only 12 hour relief. Today swim took two nasal decongestants around 11am. Swim then took a tramadol and an amount of kratom. It wasnt very much compared to his previous dose, 5 grams is just an estimate. After 30 mins got into his bed and listened to some music that led him to decide to fall asleep. He was very, very warm and in a great state of euphoria (keep in mind he was also sick) Swim was drifting in and out of a light but comfortable sleep (is this what is called "the nods"?-no idea) and would wake up just to itch himself or reset his alarm clock. Swim noticed he was sweating some, which was kinda odd, yet the warmth was well recieved and he felt very good. This whole time he was surprised as to the effects. He eventually woke up and still felt a little happy and warm, but midly refreshed. Has anyone else gotten warm or started sweating from kratom, and has anyone ever gotten results from such a low dose? Perhaps SWIMS had a fever for a little while and was just happy because it was christmas. Or perhaps every little event led up to somehow maximizing its potential. Any thoughts?

[snapper]

DXM is an opiate and a cytochrome inhibitor. DXM may be a good adjunct to kratom. Anecdotal evidence suggests grapefruit extract, which decreases activity of cytochromes in the liver, has shown that it potentiates both kratom and DXM. Therefore, they may potentiate each other. Also, tramadol is in part broken down by cytochromes, so the three together may have been enough for a strong cumulative effect.
Sounds like the kratom is weak, though. 15g should have worked well unless SWIY has a strong opiate tolerance.
Also, fevers make the blood brain barrier leaky, so perhaps that contributed as well.

[csharpprogrammer]

Originally Posted by snapper

DXM is an opiate and a cytochrome inhibitor. DXM may be a good adjunct to kratom. Anecdotal evidence suggests grapefruit extract, which decreases activity of cytochromes in the liver, has shown that it potentiates both kratom and DXM. Therefore, they may potentiate each other. Also, tramadol is in part broken down by cytochromes, so the three together may have been enough for a strong cumulative effect.
Sounds like the kratom is weak, though. 15g should have worked well unless SWIY has a strong opiate tolerance.
Also, fevers make the blood brain barrier leaky, so perhaps that contributed as well.

I am 98% sure that dextromethorphan is NOT an opiate, but an isomer of levomethorphan, which is narcotic.

[whatnot]

Swim is able to get better euphoria with a beer and 6g followed by another 2g of kratom 30min later than 35mg of hydrocodeine. Like others, it didnt take swim much to feel the effects of the hyrdrocodeine starting off, but the tolerance quickly builds. So switching to kratom to get similar results, swim is able to get better results.

I am beginning to think swim is just a rare breed. Better effects from kratom than hydrocodeine and very empathetic results from methylone when everyone else swears they get none of the same feelings.

Is swim alone in this?


the type was Genuine Thai Crushed Leaves kratom from a trusted source.

[Corksil]

Alright, first experience report here.

Dose: 4grams premium powder from online retailer
Onset: 10mins
Peak: 1hour
Duration: 2.5hours
Bodyweight: 150lb male, 6foot
Ingestion method: 4.01g weighed out, mixed with half-cup water, microwaved to help with mixing the substances. Consumed, washed down with 2 more glasses.

SWIM had plans to try kratom at 6am in the morning on a Sunday so he would have less distractions and no desire to fall asleep. His alarm went off at 6am and he quickly decided to wait until he slept more. At 9:45am he decided it was time. Here is what he felt/thought.


Mood beforehand - upbeat, not down, prepared.
Taste - extremely bitter, cut with water

T+0 (9:45am) - Ingestion

T+10mins - Definite activity, throat is almost fully numb and tingly, small amounts of stomach turbulence. Turbulence easily relaxed through belching and gas. Feeling relaxed, just want to melt and smile.

T+20mins - The verdict is in - SWIM likes kratom! Music sounds EXCELLENT - SWIM has listened to the same song 3 times because it just sounds so much better than anything else he has heard. He has to tear himself away to watch Star Wars and remain on the initial plan. Relaxed, mild euphoria, tingly. Walking feels wobbly, SWIM would not and doesn't recommend driving in this state.

T+30mins - Tingly, more euphoria, still wobbly. (Not to be confused with nausea.) No nausea whatsoever, feeling pretty high. Problems? What problems? SWIM doesn't have any problems, he laughs at the thought.

T+40mins - Odd sedation. Calculating dose/dollar values for future purchase seems extremely complicated and SWIM cannot for the life of him explain how he's doing it, though he can do it and other math problems without error.

T+50mins - Really really into Star Wars, the movie has never been so good. Same thing with the music from earlier. Breathing deeply gives waves of tingly relaxation, similar relaxation as to moments after sexual release. Small amount of hunger due to no breakfast yet. Abstaining from food due to possibility of nausea - however no nausea whatsoever still.

T+1hr - Bit itchy all over. Ears, nose, back of legs, neck all want to be scratched. Food calls very loudly to SWIM. Definite skeletal muscle relaxation. Anything tastes excellent. SWIM had a bag of plain tortilla chips next to him, and they are very tasty.

T+1:10hr - SWIM feels like the peak has just left him. Less frequent notes now. Warm, wobbly, itchy, but not sweaty. Very easy to ignore the discomfort attached to being itchy. Food prep begins.

T+1:30hr - SWIM feels like he is coming down. Experience leveling out, not sure how long he will be in this state.

T+2:15hr - Pretty much down, feeling calm and quiet. At peace and relaxed. Itching subsided 95%. Deviled eggs and Star Wars are oh-so-good.
T+2:45hr - As far as SWIM knows, he is fully normal. The afterglow is calming and happy. SWIM optimistically goes about writing experience report up.

NOTES: 2.5 hours full experience. Peak at about 55 minutes. Very nice plant, SWIM has a new friend. He cannot wait to share the experience with a contact who he feels will enjoy it very much. No nausea whatsoever throughout experience, SWIM attributes this to having an empty stomach until after the peak. No sexual urges detected throughout. Orgasm was delayed, though slightly more intense. SWIM will do kratom again, in a higher dose possibly. The kind he had is "active at 2-3g, more intense at 4-5g."

SWIM recommends doing kratom on an empty stomach to avoid nausea!

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good job for a first report

[tnix80]

Swim bought 75% extract, 55% mitragynine from a very good vendor in Canada (got a gram of it for a great price), good shipping cost and time, it only took about 4 days total. anyway he has used the 15x before and had to use about 5 grams to get a strong opiate experience so that's a lot of money for each high, although he would say worth it as good as it is. But swim got about 10 doses, 100 mgs seemed to be a good dose of this stuff. It said 30-80 on the site. I didn't want to share one particular experience, they are always extremely euphoric if you take enough, just wanted to let you guys know there is stronger stuff out there then this "15x". Swim will be trying powdered commercial next though because I've heard it's the most economical because 15x is only about 3 times stronger, and from what swim read and felt that sounds about right.

One final thing to remember, take on an empty stomach with something to drink, it seems to work best then.

[Corksil]

SWIM wanted to remark on a negative experience he had today. He would like this to serve as a possible warning and deterant to taking high doses for extreme effect.

SWIM had done Kratom two times before today. He purchased 12grams from an online vendor, and the first and second time, he weighed out 4.00g with a scale. Naturally, 4g + 4g + 4g = 12g so he figured he didn't need to weigh the final dose from the 12g bag. Somehow, HE WAS MISTAKEN. SWIM has ordered other things from the vendor as well, and in the past has received 3.1g (instead of 3g) or 5.1g (instead of 5g.) He suspects the 12g bag was more than written on the bag. The product was "Kratom Super Premium Powder."

SWIM is 150lb, 6ft, medium build, average Joe. 30 minutes into the experience, he was feeling good, 40mins was going sour, and 50 mins was extremely bad. The symptoms that trigger the "bad" effect are listed below.

Waves of intense nausea, profuse shaking, inability to sit still without muscle twitching, pinpoint pupils, inability to talk (fumbling words, muddled quiet tone, jumbled sounds instead of sentences,) extreme heat without sweating, VERY weak heartbeat (almost imperceivable at the time,) stomach turbulence, shallow breathing (about 1 breath per minute unless SWIM conciously told himself to breathe,) and EXTREME tiredness. (Without CONSTANT stimulation or input, SWIM would immediately begin to fall towards sleep.)

The two previous times SWIM has ingested Kratom, it was very enjoyable and nice at a 4g dosage. This time SWIM suspects closer to a 5g dosage, after breakfast. Is there anything SWIM might have eaten to intensify the effects? Because this did not seem "a little stronger" as SWIM guesses 4.6g would be. The breakfast was Eggo waffles with syrup, water, and butter on the waffles. Mountain Dew was consumed to aid in staying awake and alert. SWIM is very glad he had the number of one experienced with Oxycontin overdose, as SWIM would compare the effects of overdose very similar.

SWIM wonders what might have triggered such a stronger experience? SWIM is not curious as to if he ever wants to do Kratom again if he cannot find a way to at least lessen the chance of this occurence happening again.

[snapper]

Hmm..
very unusual at that dose. Typically overdoses for SWIM were overstimulating and caused a really upset stomach and nausea. Never anything like an opiate overdose. SWIM also started with 10 g doses with no previous opiate tolerance and never experienced anything like that.
SWIM would assume SWIY is sensitive and dose accordingly with a scale incrementally increase the dose. SWIM will say that kratom seems to work better sometimes than others, and sometimes seems more stimulating than others. Never has SWIM experienced what SWIY did with kratom, period.

[Nicaine]

Originally Posted by snapper

Hmm..
very unusual at that dose. Typically overdoses for SWIM were overstimulating and caused a really upset stomach and nausea. Never anything like an opiate overdose.

Perhaps the O.D(s) weren't big enough, or it was late into SWIY's usage pattern... SWIM has had a few kratom OD's that were very similar to those from opiates, particularly in the beginning with zero tolerance to kratom. Or it might have been the balance of alkaloids in a particular batch, which seems to be particularly important at higher doses.