What's the Best Mind Fuck? (Story/idea that is amazing to think about)

[Diphenhydramine]

For those not in the know, a "mind fuck" is a theory or story or idea
that thinking about it is amazing. A classic mind fuck is the
concept of an everlasting universe, where our entire universe is just
some atom in another person's universe, which is an atom in another
person's universe, and so forth, continually repeating.



One I thought of is the concept of deja vu. Recent studies say
that deja vu is when we interpret an image into our long term memory by
accident instead of in our short term memory. Because it is
processed in the long term memory, we automatically think it is
something we have seen before, hence deja vu. The mind fuck I
thought of is what if our entire day, week, month or even life was a
deja vu? That perhaps we are actually a child right now,
believing that we are a teenager or adult, or that we are even a baby
in a womb?????



Please list some more. Mind fucks are awesome to think of when you're high.

[ironslave]

my personal mind fuck was to think of the universe as being an atom in a greater anomoly.. think if this


you know how every thing on the earth works togeather without one thing nothing else exists. no water no life, no trees no life, no mamals no life (trees need carbondioxide to live and we need oxygen) so technicly the earth is a living thing. without all of this it would be dead like mars. each galaxy makes up a part of this larger being we live in. after all what are we made of smaller living things right.. all we are is part of another living thing.. its just composed of a different setup from what we are.

[unico_walker]

DXM has provided me with the most superb mindfucks, I have no sense of
time under the influence and can experience years of time in an
emotional and memory sense in minutes.

Just one as an example I was on about 1 gram when I believed the last
two years of my life were a dex delusion, that is to say I believed I
was two years in the past dexxing and the last two years had been a
trip. I laid there living two years in the past in my head as you do on
DXM, when I came to and realized I was in fact back to my normal life.



Mind fuck

[scythebunny]

NOTE: to all reading this please emember this is only my opinion whether u agree or not is up to u.


in stead of calling these theories "mind fucks" iprefer rather to label them as perceptions of life. as whether under the influence of drugs or not people offtenhave these sort of perceptions or "theories"it just is more clear when u take drugs coz ur rational thought is not as clear.


I havemy own perception or theoryof this myself... but its pretty complicated to explain but ill give it a try.


things to remember first...


1 humans use only a small percentage of there brains


2 people often find it hard to rationalize beyond anything they have been told is immposible e.g. walking through walls


3. life is based onmany sets of rules or un changed guidlines e.g manners, what is socially acceptable and what is not


having pointed out all these things ill begin by saying my perception is that people are able to go beyond these boundries if they try hard enough, without imbalancingour very existance and in doing so we would ultimately evolve to a new and better rave cabpable of extrem things. a simple axample of this is my theory of realisinga fourth dimention...


there is 2Dand three3D phisically speaking that we can all see and feeland evreything is inone of three phases:liquid, solid and gas. this is fact and each have rules that we have been programed to percieve rationally such as u can not move through a solid ... right? but what if there was thefourth dimention.this being the ability to manipulatewhat has been programed into your mindand change it to the relisation that u can move thru a solid or bend a spoon or whatever regardless of any slight possibilty that u cant. im sure if we believed it was possible enough we could do it. the only thing that is stoping it is fact that the human race is so dependant on facts that they have inhibited the possibility to go beyond it. as hard as one tries to achieve "the immpossible" the concious will never give way to the idea that it can happen. (i hope some of this is making sense)


the reason why i think it is so hard to reach this is because subconciously the human race is afraid to.theydepend on a constant way of life where everything must make sense. if it didnt and something so big happend like realising a fourth dimention where anything is possible they would never know what to expct and this would end in chaos. so people are programed to believethings so that there is order and self security.


there are only a few people who are able to reach a higher level of thinking and i believe these people areable to use a higher percentage of there brain and carry this gift to only people who can open there minds to it whichwill oneday create the next evolution of man.


if anyone understands this at allor thinks the way i do please post ur opinion.

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interesting :)

[Diphenhydramine]

Wow. That was a nice read while under some dxm and tea
smoke. I was just talking in another post about this book called
flatlands that introduces the idea that as our minds are created from
and of a 3rd dimension, we can only perceive dimensions equal or lower
than us ie the 3rd, 2nd and 1st dimension because they only exist using
parts of our dimension.



Here is an example. We have the x, y and z scale in the 3rd
dimension. 2nd dimension uses only x and y. 1st dimension
only uses x. So, a 4th dimension would use x, y, and z and then
some other measurement. We have never experienced that other
unknown measurement. Therefor, because it does not exist in our
dimension, and we are built of our dimension, it is physically
impossible to imagine or comprehend a higher dimension than ours.

[pcon]

my own persoanl opinion:

all we are, essentially, is energy. and as
stated before we do only use like 33% of our brains, when we experiment
with certain drugs, ie; salvia, LSD etc...all we essentially are doing
is stimulating the pituitary gland that fires neurons to parts of the
brain that we dont normally use. so in a blunt way, this
stimulates us, our being, lets say to vibrate at a higher frequency,
which puts you in that "fourth dimension" see, the spirit world
and aura's and telepathy these are real things , everything is
just transmitted through frequencies that vibrate at a higher
frequency than we normally do. by enabling your brain to
function at these higher frequences we esentially can do
anything. and strangely enough it isn't just human nature to try
to achieve these frequencies or "altered senses of reality"
monkeys in the jungle bite into centipedes that secrete a poison. they
bite into them releasing the poison and rub in into their fur to keep
bugs away, while doing his they injest the poison and get a euphoric
effect similar to morphine. there are dozens of documented cases
of animals in nature trying to achieve these same effects that we
humans serch for....maybe because we all just want to go home to our
spirit realm...

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That concept is soo ill I had to give you rep

[scythebunny]

Thanks guys its good to know im not the only one out there with these sort of views. I never stop finding new ways to look at things and futher my state of mind. and if the animals are even doing it then maybe there is still hope for hightend evolution of this existence. I just hope one day we will find a way to be able to reach this point of evolution without the use of externall stimulents it would be a truly powerful achievment. although for now ill stick to my usuall enlightend persona and own methods of enhancing it. hehe.

[rooster]

I am always insearch of peaple who have expirienced,shall we say.Well what shall we call it? Parellel dimensions,spiritual realm,hieghtend awareness? I prefer wacked! And yes I am wacko. But let me tell you, I didnt get there on my own. A collective energy looked upon me and wacked me with a quest for knowlage. My life began changing slowly at first with each new curiosity that came upon me. As I started seeking answers and as some of these answers revield themselves to me,I realize I can never return to the nieve life i had once before. The most startling discoveries I have encountered are the other souls I have met and some I have come to know who have also expierienced this energy.This knowlage is forbiden by many. The masses are blind to its reality. We as humaniods have been kept,our capabilities have been greatly limited. Religions,politics and propaganda have been used to control the masses.I dont watch T.V.,I question religion and politics.They keep the masses focused on a reality that is just ,out of focus! The earth we know is around 4.5 billion years old? Let me tell you this. We are not the first civilization.There are anchient tecnologies that far exceed our own. Why havent these civilizations been discovered? They have I tell you. Then why has the world not been made aware? The world as a mass refuses to see. Some as individuals have looked to the sky in question.Those that seek will recieve truths in an amount hopefully they can handle. My reality is constantly being adjusted,gradualy for the most part. I have had a few revelations that tested my sanity. I know I am mentaly strong and mental health has standards that do not apply to me.But I have confirmed my discoveries by shareing in communion with others like me. Our realities are the same. It would be dangerous to share certain knowlages and discoveries for all to see. I am first a seeker,evolving into the traveler. Traveling on this road that leads to transformation or as the anchients still say transmutation into a collective of energy that wills the human race to become. We have been lied to from the begining of our human existance. Our possibilities are endless if one can break away from conformity. Becarefull,dont think they wont notice,watchers are every where.They will see that you are seeking the travelers road.Look to the energy that welcomes you. at first it is so hard to see,but the more you expirience,the more in tune you will become.It is not an easy road nor is it always pleasant. Weve been cheated out of our own abilities.A harsh realization sometimes difficult to cope with.Will I keep seeking this reality? I could not imagine eternity with out. My deepest respect to the true alchemists and to the true magic of tecnologies and sciences.

[pcon]

whatever the government has or has not lied to us about throughout the
years and regardless of who we can and can not trust, this little blip
of life on this planet is ridiculously short and in the big scheme of
things not crucially important. is what is important is that you
dont forget what is in the spirit realm waiting for you. thats
our true home.

[afromonkey]

Isn't the whole ''humans only use a small portion of their brains'' a myth?

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Nice one on clearing that up, just did a bit of research and it is a myth

[pcon]

no its a fact.

[metalslug0]

taken from a modest mouse song: the universe is shaped exactly like the earth, and if you keep going straight youll end up where you were

[Nature Boy]

Which came first? The chicken or the egg?

It is a mind fuck, in a very basic kind of way.

[Potassium Kid]

the chickenEdited by: Potassium Kid

[als5555]

the egg came first. all birds hatch from an egg, including the first chicken.


what would there be if there was no universe, no matter, no space, and how does it all happen to exist? this thought drives me insane whenever i think about it.

[Nicaine]

Originally Posted by als5555

the egg came first. all birds hatch from an egg, including the first chicken.


what would there be if there was no universe, no matter, no space, and how does it all happen to exist? this thought drives me insane whenever i think about it.

The question is identical to: "What am I?"

Because the universe, matter and space are all contained in the brain. They consist of thought. They're organizational brain structures that give a sense as if we're something, located somewhere and existing (temporally).

Any study of the brain is a study of the universe, and vice-versa. Neurobiology, astronomy and physics are identical sciences with different names. Meditation/introspection is a science as well, with or without drugs involved.Edited by: Nicaine

[Diphenhydramine]

Nah, that's just Descartes speaking: "I think therefor I am." I
used to be obsessed with that idea, that the only thing that exists is
me, and everything else is just processed signals in my brain.
Now I just think that's the bare minimum, like if nothing else exists,
than at least I do. I think there are other physical things in
this universe besides myself.



Nicaine have you ever read his stuff? If you're interested, try
"Meditations on First Philosophy." I think that's what it's
called. It's pretty thick shit though, written in way formal
english that's hard to wade in.



Here's one: what if dolphins were smarter than us, like Adam
Douglas wrote? What if we're just too dumb to comprehend their
language? And their civilization is so advanced that they don't
need material things, like houses or technology; that they learned to
perfectly adapt their body to their environment so that technology is
unecessary? WHAT IF THEY'RE EVOLVED HUMANS FROM THE FUTURE??????

[pcon]

did you know that there is a crab in the ocean that snaps his claws and
when he does this it produces such a force that the water that the
force produces travels through the water at a velocity that
reaches tempuratures that are as hot as the sun. that the highest
recorded temperature ever recorded on earth. imagine what other things
are possible here on our "home" planet.

[Humanity]

Originally Posted by rooster

I am always insearch of peaple who have expirienced,shall we say.Well what shall we call it? Parellel dimensions,spiritual realm,hieghtend awareness? I prefer wacked! And yes I am wacko. But let me tell you, I didnt get there on my own. A collective energy looked upon me and wacked me with a quest for knowlage. My life began changing slowly at first with each new curiosity that came upon me. As I started seeking answers and as some of these answers revield themselves to me,I realize I can never return to the nieve life i had once before. The most startling discoveries I have encountered are the other souls I have met and some I have come to know who have also expierienced this energy.This knowlage is forbiden by many. The masses are blind to its reality. We as humaniods have been kept,our capabilities have been greatly limited. Religions,politics and propaganda have been used to control the masses.I dont watch T.V.,I question religion and politics.They keep the masses focused on a reality that is just ,out of focus! The earth we know is around 4.5 billion years old? Let me tell you this. We are not the first civilization.There are anchient tecnologies that far exceed our own. Why havent these civilizations been discovered? They have I tell you. Then why has the world not been made aware? The world as a mass refuses to see. Some as individuals have looked to the sky in question.Those that seek will recieve truths in an amount hopefully they can handle. My reality is constantly being adjusted,gradualy for the most part. I have had a few revelations that tested my sanity. I know I am mentaly strong and mental health has standards that do not apply to me.But I have confirmed my discoveries by shareing in communion with others like me. Our realities are the same. It would be dangerous to share certain knowlages and discoveries for all to see. I am first a seeker,evolving into the traveler. Traveling on this road that leads to transformation or as the anchients still say transmutation into a collective of energy that wills the human race to become. We have been lied to from the begining of our human existance. Our possibilities are endless if one can break away from conformity. Becarefull,dont think they wont notice,watchers are every where.They will see that you are seeking the travelers road.Look to the energy that welcomes you. at first it is so hard to see,but the more you expirience,the more in tune you will become.It is not an easy road nor is it always pleasant. Weve been cheated out of our own abilities.A harsh realization sometimes difficult to cope with.Will I keep seeking this reality? I could not imagine eternity with out. My deepest respect to the true alchemists and to the true magic of tecnologies and sciences.

True, so true.
Am going through something of the sort, but don't think abouut it much when sober.
But that's the feeling I often get.
:applaud:
Good job putting it in words.

[Bajeda]

Everything in this post is false.

[Nagognog2]

Let's not re-name this thread to make it more searchable by the spiders and bots from the search-engines prowling around, eh?

[Shiacmkmleer]

Originally Posted by als5555

the egg came first. all birds hatch from an egg, including the first chicken.

Originally Posted by als5555

what would there be if there was no universe, no matter, no space, and how does it all happen to exist? this thought drives me insane whenever i think about it.

I like this post because I ponder the second part of it and it drives me insane to this day.

however to the first part It is impossible to know which came first. Because when it went from its ancestor to Gallus gallus domesticus could've been post embryonic due to some minute radiation (although It is unlikely) or pre-embryonic due to a mutation//error during meiosis. In addition the line between Gallus gallus domesticus and it's last ancestor is far from clear just as the line between homo sapians and who ever we descended from is not clear.

[pankreeas]

One that always gets swim thinking; under the influence or not, is to ponder nothing existing. Absolutely nothing. No colors, no shades. Think of nothingness.. you think black, or stark white. What if there was no black, or white. Nothing in itself as a word does then not even exist.

[Bajeda]

Originally Posted by pankreeas

Nothing in itself as a word does then not even exist.

Funny... I'm writing a paper that deals with that same issue somewhat, I just read a quote that said practically the same thing (same example) a little bit ago.








Heres a fun thing you can ponder.

Aristotle's principle of Non-Contradiction is as follows "one cannot say of something that it is, and that it is not, in the same respect and at the same time". Or for a more basic version, “opposite assertions cannot be true at the same time”.

Aristotle says that PNC is one of the common axioms, axioms common to all the special sciences. It has no specific subject matter, but applies to everything that is. It is a first principle and the firmest principle.


Aristotle says that it is a principle which “is necessary for anyone to have who knows any of the things that are”. It is no mere hypothesis.


Aristotle explains that, given its peculiar status as the firmest first principle, PNC is not susceptible to demonstration. A demonstration is a deductive argument. If PNC could be deduced from another premise, then that premise would have to be a firmer and prior principle, so PNC could not have been the firmest first principle. Aristotle also says that if PNC could be demonstrated, then everything would be subject to demonstration, which would lead to an infinite regress.

Anyone want to try to use formal logic to affirm or deny this principle?

[dip]

...[wacko]