Ayahuasca basics

[BA]

This brew, also called yage, or yaje, in Colombia, ayahuasca in Ecuador and Peru (Inca "vine of the dead, vine of the souls," aya means in Quechua "spirit," "ancestor," "dead person," while huasca means "vine," "rope") caapi in Brazil, is prepared from segments of the vine Banisteriopsis Caapi. Sections of vine are boiled with leaves from any of a large number of potential admixture plants (such as but not limited to; Psychotria viridis or Diplopterys cabrerana) resulting in a brew that contains the powerful hallucinogenic alkaloids harmaline, harmine, d-tetrahydroharmine, and often N,N-dimethyltryptamine. This medicine has been used for millennia in order to enter the sacred supernatural world, to heal, divine, and worship

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[Bluelight25]

There are a vew things you can expect from imbibing a good dose of Ahyahuasca. There's a telepathic component -whether the people using it simply THINK they're telepathic or they actually ARE communicating telepathically is up in the air. ++++ definitely, though:


Disassociation ["Did I say that? Did you say that?"] Time loops [going back to the same 5 minutes over and over again] Time jumping [beginning of time, end of time], disentegration of self, disentegration of reality [breakdown of three dimensions into two dimensions] and Remote Viewing. [I'm surprised the CIA hasn't started strapping Standford kids into chairs by now.]

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[RoboCop]

How long does the ayahuasca experience last? Usually dmt is a very short experience but since this is its oral method of use, like evrythign else im sure it last longer but how much longer? an hour? 4 hours?

[sunyata]

Ayahuascha usually peaks for 2-4 hours, depending on dose, however I've had one ayahuasca experience that lasted 8 hours. I think it lasted so long because I had trouble letting go of my ego and spent most of the time trying to fight the effects(don't do that!). I think that when you've taken a psychedelic you have no choice but to experience it's effect, but if you somehow manage to fight it, keep it at distance, than you will be trapped in that pre-trip state until you decide to pass on through it. This is why some people never "come down", because they haven't yet "gone through". Stanislav Grof suggests this in his books on LSD crisis, I don't know if it's correct, but from my own experience with bad trips on both LSD, Ayahuascha and mushrooms, it seems to be quite probable, the duration of the experience has allways been pushed a lot further than the dosage would indicate.

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[Beeker]

brews and uses:


This is a look at SWIMs brewing of Ayahuasca . He usually brews up a batch for at least 3 to 4 and stores the rest, this makes cleaning a one time deal.


SWIM uses Syrian Rue seeds as the MAOI. for two reasons. Rue is very affordable for the amount you receive. Rue will last you years and the potency does not have a noticeable drop. 3.5-4 grams rue is all that is needed. Grind rue to powder and gelcap it. Make sure you take a pill then space out 5 minutes, then take 2, space more time out then finish. There is no or little nausea this way. Any more then 4 grams of Rue is a waste and adds nausea. The second reason is about the added control of the experience Rue has combined to DMT.


The brew:


First get a nice big non-aluminum pot. Fill it with about half water and use Vinegar, lemon juice, etc. to make the liquid acidic. You will get use to the smell of acid in the steam as a measure of PH.


Weigh out your DMT plant matter. SWIM will not use Mimosa for this type of brew because of undesirable nausea. Yes, Mimosa is cheaper but an xxxxxxx could save you a trip to the toilet.


Psychotria viridis – SWIM may have had bad vendors in the past with old material but 40 grams were needed for one person.


Diplopterys cabrerana – personal choice for SWIM. 40 grams is enough for two really big Ayahuasca doses. SWIM took 15 grams once and was at the edge of the audio wave that grows and rises up past the point of hearing others thoughts and into that space beyond.


Brewing:

• 1) Add the plant leaves to the acidic water and let lightly boil, check and add water as needed for 2 hours.
• 2) Remove the plant matter to a dish and save. Poor the liquid into a Pyrex dish trying to filter out as many of the particles that you can (Swim uses a fine metal screen formed into a bowl shape.)
• 3) put the Pyrex dish in the oven on a low setting to allow it to evaporate down, check often.
• 4) repeat step 1 using the saved plant material but after 2 hours place the pot into a freezer overnight then let it boil for an hour in the morning.
• 5) repeat step 2 adding both liquids into the Pyrex dish. Let the liquid evaporate down to about the amount that 6 shot glasses could hold. Do not over boil the liquid or heat it to rapidly while evaporating or the liquid will turn to syrup. The liquid will be an unmistakable reddish in color.

Use:


do not eat for 4-6 hours before and be aware of the dangers of MAOI interactions. Take the 4'ish grams of rue in gel caps as stated. In about 15-20 minutes you will get the alert as well as a light shimmering effect on flat surfaces that seems linked to a buzzy feeling in the legs and arms and such.


If this is your first brew with a new source of plant material then start low. Use your own judgment. If you take to much DMT then you will most likely fall asleep before you hit 2 hours.


SWIM tends to start seeing morphing objects with a strange neon like edge structure coming off the walls and around edges at first. An audio tone or pitch is heard and very slowly rises in frequency. As this rise in the audio wave continues the visuals grow marketably stronger. The ceiling will drip to the floor in places and looking away to cull the visions for a few seconds will become impossible. Frame slipping will begin to occur though most don't go walking around. At some point you will close your eyes and the audio wave will literally blast upward, louder and louder as if you are about to rupture threw a new door you were unaware of. For SWIM at this point at the edge of visions of this world and the oddness of the next telepathy or telepathy like events happens as people can be heard thinking typical human thoughts. Even if you are alone this happens for SWIM though SWIM lives near several families. Beyond this is where SWIM stops, No words.


If you don't fall asleep (or loose the ability to remember all this content) then when you open your eyes later you will find yourself in a world of wacky visions, more so then you will be use to for falling away from a peak.


It really isn't like mushrooms at all. SWIMS thoughts were clear and his inner dialog that he gets on mushrooms becomes completely silent except for a sense of extreme amazement.

DO NOT POST PRICES!

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[Motumba]

Originally Posted by Beeker

brews and uses:


This is a look at SWIMs brewing of Ayahuasca . He usually brews up a batch for at least 3 to 4 and stores the rest, this makes cleaning a one time deal.


SWIM uses Syrian Rue seeds as the MAOI. for two reasons. Rue is very affordable for the amount you receive. Rue will last you years and the potency does not have a noticeable drop. 3.5-4 grams rue is all that is needed. Grind rue to powder and gelcap it. Make sure you take a pill then space out 5 minutes, then take 2, space more time out then finish. There is no or little nausea this way. Any more then 4 grams of Rue is a waste and adds nausea. The second reason is about the added control of the experience Rue has combined to DMT.


The brew:


First get a nice big non-aluminum pot. Fill it with about half water and use Vinegar, lemon juice, etc. to make the liquid acidic. You will get use to the smell of acid in the steam as a measure of PH.


Weigh out your DMT plant matter. SWIM will not use Mimosa for this type of brew because of undesirable nausea. Yes, Mimosa is cheaper but an xxxxxxx could save you a trip to the toilet.


Psychotria viridis – SWIM may have had bad vendors in the past with old material but 40 grams were needed for one person.


Diplopterys cabrerana – personal choice for SWIM. 40 grams is enough for two really big Ayahuasca doses. SWIM took 15 grams once and was at the edge of the audio wave that grows and rises up past the point of hearing others thoughts and into that space beyond.


Brewing:

• 1) Add the plant leaves to the acidic water and let lightly boil, check and add water as needed for 2 hours.
• 2) Remove the plant matter to a dish and save. Poor the liquid into a Pyrex dish trying to filter out as many of the particles that you can (Swim uses a fine metal screen formed into a bowl shape.)
• 3) put the Pyrex dish in the oven on a low setting to allow it to evaporate down, check often.
• 4) repeat step 1 using the saved plant material but after 2 hours place the pot into a freezer overnight then let it boil for an hour in the morning.
• 5) repeat step 2 adding both liquids into the Pyrex dish. Let the liquid evaporate down to about the amount that 6 shot glasses could hold. Do not over boil the liquid or heat it to rapidly while evaporating or the liquid will turn to syrup. The liquid will be an unmistakable reddish in color.

Use:


do not eat for 4-6 hours before and be aware of the dangers of MAOI interactions. Take the 4'ish grams of rue in gel caps as stated. In about 15-20 minutes you will get the alert as well as a light shimmering effect on flat surfaces that seems linked to a buzzy feeling in the legs and arms and such.


If this is your first brew with a new source of plant material then start low. Use your own judgment. If you take to much DMT then you will most likely fall asleep before you hit 2 hours.


SWIM tends to start seeing morphing objects with a strange neon like edge structure coming off the walls and around edges at first. An audio tone or pitch is heard and very slowly rises in frequency. As this rise in the audio wave continues the visuals grow marketably stronger. The ceiling will drip to the floor in places and looking away to cull the visions for a few seconds will become impossible. Frame slipping will begin to occur though most don't go walking around. At some point you will close your eyes and the audio wave will literally blast upward, louder and louder as if you are about to rupture threw a new door you were unaware of. For SWIM at this point at the edge of visions of this world and the oddness of the next telepathy or telepathy like events happens as people can be heard thinking typical human thoughts. Even if you are alone this happens for SWIM though SWIM lives near several families. Beyond this is where SWIM stops, No words.


If you don't fall asleep (or loose the ability to remember all this content) then when you open your eyes later you will find yourself in a world of wacky visions, more so then you will be use to for falling away from a peak.


It really isn't like mushrooms at all. SWIMS thoughts were clear and his inner dialog that he gets on mushrooms becomes completely silent except for a sense of extreme amazement.

DO NOT POST PRICES!

Yuk them tannins from the mimosa will have your gits for garters'
One should use' Chagropanga' Dyplopterys Cabrerena' (hard hit, but next to little or no nausia'
You don't require to add a maio to mhrb, just soak it in cold water for a week'
Strain and drink that' immense light experience'

50-75 grams of Chagropanga or 100 grams of Chakruna' with 100 grams of yellow or red cappi vine'
Rue is ok but it is not Aya-huasca'
The vine experience with light plants is completely different'
La' Purge is part of the cleansing journey of the vine'
The vine brings dark vissions and the light plants light them up'

Use only clean water, not tap water'
Spirit vinigar to lower the ph of the water slightly to ph4, no lower than 3ph'
The acid ph will convert the alkaloids to salts making them completely water soluable'
When cooking the light plants remember that alkaloids start to break down/oxodise at 80 degrees' so don't boil your light plant tea'
The vine doesn't matter, the harmaline salts can take quite a lot of heat'

Cook the vine for a couple of hours and strain'
Then add the light plants slowly with intent a few at a time'
Cook with the lid on, on a very slow heat'
If you boil these plants you break down the cell walls of the leaves and release into the tea all the gunky waxes and oils and lipods' These make you chuck big time'
Cook gently for four hours'

Strain and let stand for a couple of hours and decant'

swim doesn't drink the tea straight away because of all the sediment in it'
Bottle it with a table spoon of vinigar to preserve and put in the fridge'
The brew matures so you do not have to drink so much'
Like a fine wine he he ehe'

Decant of waht is required for ceremony and gently bring to the heat'

Let sit on the heat just moving' not boiling and heat to reduce and sterilise'

You get the combo right and the light hits long before you feel the moai giving you strenght over the nausia' (if you decant properly you won't get none or no chuck) this is an art though and swim has been brewing for 6 years and has only just perfected the ultimate brew that looks like red wine' from the capi, tastes quite sweet if you like the taste of Aya' and will put you gently through the veil inside of 70 mins and leave you there for the next 5-7 hours'
Most beautiful and awesome teacher plants the vine' and "Light"
She can be partook of at nite time in small doses before sleep'
This gets one gently used to the vine, beofre one journeys for real with vine and light'

Healing journeys folks'

blessed be'

Motumba'

[Motumba]

Originally Posted by sunyata

Ayahuascha usually peaks for 2-4 hours, depending on dose, however I've had one ayahuasca experience that lasted 8 hours. I think it lasted so long because I had trouble letting go of my ego and spent most of the time trying to fight the effects(don't do that!). I think that when you've taken a psychedelic you have no choice but to experience it's effect, but if you somehow manage to fight it, keep it at distance, than you will be trapped in that pre-trip state until you decide to pass on through it. This is why some people never "come down", because they haven't yet "gone through". Stanislav Grof suggests this in his books on LSD crisis, I don't know if it's correct, but from my own experience with bad trips on both LSD, Ayahuascha and mushrooms, it seems to be quite probable, the duration of the experience has allways been pushed a lot further than the dosage would indicate.

Reflections bro'
And of what you take with you'
blessed be'

Motumba'

[big-lester]

SWIBL would love to do ayahuasca in the future, but he wants to do it in south-america with a shaman.

are there a lot of people that do ayahuasca (alone OR with friends) at home or somewhere in nature, but without a shaman?

the experience sounds really intense, isn't this one of those things that you dshould do with a sitter? (unless you're with a shaman ofcourse)

[Tokyo-expat]

Swim has a good question. Does the tea have to be freshly brewed? Or can one brew the tea.. but it in the fridge and ingest at a later date?

[Silence_Inc]

Originally Posted by Tokyo-expat

Swim has a good question. Does the tea have to be freshly brewed? Or can one brew the tea.. but it in the fridge and ingest at a later date?

you can keep it in the fridge for some time. few months is do-able. there could show some dirty film on the surface after some time ... but you just have to throw that away. - this is what someone told me - so others with more specific info are welcom.

[Ataraxia]

When SWIM stumbles upon his ingredients, he likes to brew it all at once. Since it is enough for many doses, SWIM places the brew into mason jars and freezes it, and it will stay potent for many months this way. If SWIY plans on drinking it within a few weeks, just put it in the fridge so you don't have to thaw it out. After storing for a while it will ferment, so add a little dH2O and boil for a few minutes for taste.

Since this is the aya basics thread...
There are quite a few tips and tricks for ayahuasca. In SWIM's opinion, it beats any psychedelic hands down if you do it right. You have to find the right ingredients/doses that work for you. The only reason that I can think of why aya isn't the most popular is because the people are doing it wrong. People end up using bad preps/ingredients that cause them to either not feel it or have too much nausea, and people have mind shattering experiences that are too much for them to handle from dosing too high. People are usually more afraid of the purge, when they should be worried about how deep aya can take them. The purge really isn't that bad, you'll learn to love it after time.

There really isn't a specific list of things one can do in order to have the best experience. It varies from person to person, so the best thing you can do is to just be smart. Do the research for the best preps and ingredients, stick to a tyramine-free diet, fast at least 5 hours before dosing, and start low as with any other psychedelic.
Oh, and steer clear of rue and mimosa.

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19937
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18091
For best research and advice, ayahuasca.com

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[machine_elf]

Is a brew necessary though? SWIM was thinking of ingestin 3g of syrin rue in gel caps and a quantity of powdered mimosa hostilis in gel caps. This would remove the need for a taxing brew.

[Neosapien]

A quantity of Mimosa like ten grams?
Have fun with that.
Sounds quite a bit more taxing than making a brew.

[Veteran Joker]

SWIM has recently accuired 30 grams of dried Banisteriopis Caapi. Trip sitters and nausea has been taken into account.

Now, how is the brew made? Swim has looked on erowid and the ayahuasca page, but there's no brewing instructions. I doubt shamans use gelatine capsules or freezing.

[Nagognog2]

Finely divided and boiled in H2O for all eternity. The addition of lemon helps to dissolve the harmala alkaloids (and dialkyltryptamines if those are being used). B. Caapi takes a long time to give up it's stuff. It is a wooden vine, after all. So cutting it up very fine is highly recommended.

[Veteran Joker]

Many thanks, swim does not feel like using a pestle and motar, so coffee grinder it is.

It's safe to use citric acid? I thought that'd base it thus making it no longer consumable, what happens when the alkaloids react with acid?

[TMM]

SWIM has been interested in ayahuasca for a long time, only recently beginning to put this interest into practice. Is it advisable to crush up or grind the DMT-containing plant matter before brewing, or does this make little/no difference? I haven't seen this discussed before, apologies if I've just missed it anywhere obvious.

[kakakaka]

Swim was thinking of trying a ayahuasca brew but isnt quite clear on a few things.

You need to take an MAOI in order for the DMT not to be broken down, so the syrian rue seeds are taken first then the leaves boiled into a brew containing the DMT would be taken second correct ?

Are syrian rue seeds just as effective as B. caapi bark ? Also how bad tasting is the brew, is it close to anything like a san pedro brew ??

Swims just trying to learn everything he can before he tries it

[Shampoo]

Originally Posted by kakakaka

You need to take an MAOI in order for the DMT not to be broken down, so the syrian rue seeds are taken first then the leaves boiled into a brew containing the DMT would be taken second correct ?

Are syrian rue seeds just as effective as B. caapi bark ? Also how bad tasting is the brew, is it close to anything like a san pedro brew ??

To answer the first question, on a practical level, the MAOI should be taken approximately 20 minutes, to half an hour before ingestion of the brew. As for the second question, the active component of both Syrian Rue and B. Caapi is Harmala, an effective mono-amine oxidase inhibitor, and only differ in the percentage content in the plant material (i.e. 3 of B. Caapi will not be the same effective dose as 3 grams Syrian Rue.)

The brew is vile. Kool-aid seemed to do the trick for SWIM, but everyone has different taste values... As for a comparison to the San Pedro brew, it is much less viscous, so it goes down easier, and usually has less volume, than the cactus brew. Check out this thread for more information http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42443 .

Be Safe

[kakakaka]

Thanks Shampoo, very nice topic indeed.

Swim has access to various leaves and also powdered/bark mimosa hostilis, is there really any difference between the two of them ?

[Shampoo]

Originally Posted by kakakaka

Thanks Shampoo, very nice topic indeed.

Swim has access to various leaves and also powdered/bark mimosa hostilis, is there really any difference between the two of them ?

Your welcome. The biggest difference is in the quantity of DMT and the fat content. If doing an extraction, a defatting process is negligible with bark, but not with leaves. The DMT content of Chacruna leaves is about 0.10-0.66%, while the inner root bark of Mimosa contains between 0.58-1.0% DMT. The other alkaloids in the plant make up less than 1% of the total alkaloids in both materials, so only DMT will be an active ingredient.

[juanathan]

http://www.amazon.com/Psychoactive-S...6727426&sr=8-1


i've read this book, it doesn't talk about how to prepare hoasca but it has multiple personal stories told by great writers. it will give you a good heads up as to what to expect (and it sounds like quite an experience)

[acolon_5]

The vine experience is very different than rue. The vine is gentler and calmer. It can bring visions at higher doses without any dmt... Rue becomes toxic at doses needed to bring visions.

B. Caapi contains a different mix of alkaloids that rue does:

"The chemical components of Banisteriopsis caapi that cause the hallucinogenic effect are beta-carboline alkaloids found in the bark. More than nine alkaloids have been isolated in B. caapi. The three main active constituents, and most well known from this plant, are harmine, harmaline, and tetrahydroharmine. Other beta-carboline alkoloids include harmine-N-oxide, harmic acid methylester, harmalinic acid, harmic amide, and more (Kawanishi et al 1982)."
Rue does not containe tetrahydroharmine and has larger ratio of harmaline. Rue is a subsitute but not the same thing. Rue also lasts a bit longer than vine.

Of course, rue is much cheaper than vine, and can easily be extracted.

SWIM personally enjoys the vine more.

[Randombutterfly]

Anyone knows if the Mimosa by itself has any effects?

[Shampoo]

Originally Posted by Randombutterfly

Anyone knows if the Mimosa by itself has any effects?

Swim has found definite effects from 15-18g mimosa after a citric-acid cold water extraction, with slightly diminished results from a boiled extraction, though both extracts showed definite psychoactivity without an MAOI. The experiences were far more intoxicating, less pleasurable and productive, though undeniably present. Ott and McKenna have also reported finding some psychoactivity in mimosa without the use of an MAOI.