Yopo experiences

[Dopeman420]

My first experience with syrianrue/yopo brew was last night and was a wierd experience. I don't think I really had a break through dmt experience, I don't really know what it was you guys tell me.
I wanted to start at a low dose so I boiled a pot with 2 TBLspoons worth of syrian rue seeds, and another pot boiling with 12 yopo seeds.However I did not have a coffee grinder so the yopo seeds where just cut up into a bunch of krums and small pieces. I boiled each about 30 minutes and drank the rue brew first. After 30 minutes goes by I drink the Yopo brew. Within a half hour of drinking the last concoction I felt slightly feverish and thought I might vomit. Since I read this is going to happen I decided to get it over with, It was quick and painless and I feel better, still very odd and I decide to go lay down and wait for the real effects. I lay quit with my eyes closed and noticed soem odd CEV's but nto very pronounced, now the interesting part I was laying there so long I think I fell asleep, or the dmt just hit me hard. But I was in a dreamlike state of all the sudden being in my basement, kneeling over because my stomach hurt, and I kept hearing people voices all around me, It really looked liek I was their as a looked over I was a man in a mask (pretty wierd never seen it before, kind of sinister) His voice is one I could partly hear, the whole dream probally lasted about 2-5 minutes and came on right when I fell asleep, It felt really intense and vivid, but after I awoke I returned to a feverish state and puked once more. I guess my dosage wasn't high enough to have a more long lasting effect I hear this kind of tea is very shroom like, so I will eventually after a day rest and fasting try another brew of the two at higher doses.

[RoboCop]

SWIM wrote me an e-mail of his experience with yopo I will post his experience of it here.

I made a snuff mixture today, and tried it for the first time correctly, and I have to say it was far better than I ever expected it to be! The snuff is far more effective than smoking the seeds, very colorful, I sat and watched some designs in the wood of my door and they all started to move as though they were dancing. Truely amazing, wish I could explain it better. I read the "rushing" sensation dmt gives, and there is no better way to put it. I got a strong rushing sensation, very colorful CEVS, OEVS, I did it coming down from a 1000mg dxm trip and I think thats why the dmt effected me so long, including the afterglow I felt it a total of 20-45 minutes(estimate) much longer than Ive read. I have a lot more of this stuff and will definatly be using it! Edited by: RoboCop

[GDxCAT]

wow. souds excellent.

do you know what dose you took (amount of seed? mg?)???



...cat

[RoboCop]

Another message from Swim on this topic:

Well I made the snuff with about 15 seeds I belive, and I did not even use half of it. I mixed it with a bit of baking soda. Yesterday I snorted a little more than before with less effects. The dxm had to of helped, because I read there is very little tolerance with dmt. And one time couldn't have built up any. I will use this stuff as a dxm booster for sure. The first time I did a small amount though, just a one short but fat line. The second time I felt a change in conciousness but not alot more no visuals like before, I think without the dxm I will ahve to use more. I will keep experimenting I still have a whole lot of seeds left to make snuff. On dxm it seem that you need soo much less of it to get off. And that was after I was practicly down.

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[Hyperreal]

The day before yesterday I prepared five yopo seeds with the method I outlined above. I used about 35% baking soda and ground them with an electric coffee grinder for a few minutes, which was a very good move, as it resulted in a fine powder.


I cut the powder into four lines and snorted. It stung my nose, but the pain was very much within the limits of tolerability. I reckon the finer it's ground, the less problematic snorting will be. My eyes were streaming and my nose was running, but I felt nothing else for about ten minutes, when I got a strong feeling of pressure on the top of my skull. Again, this wasn't too bad a pain. I was starting to feel nauseous (I don't tend to get sick from taking drugs, but my guts had been feeling less than perfect all day) and after a few minutes I vomited copiously. Again, this was no real problem, I was basically feeling fine.


The drugs hadn't kicked in yet, and it had been almost fifteen minutes, so, my friend/ sitter said, "There are more seeds if you want them." I turned to him to reply and there were two of him sitting there: an vertically inverted mirror image of himself at the bottom of my visual field. "No need," I said, "I'll be alright." The body load was quite heavy, which was a bit annoying, and throughout the trip and into the next hours, the chaos in my nasal cavatieskept distracting me. I looked around for something comforting and pleasant to put into my nose, a sort of equivalent of chewing gum,then I realized that no such thing exists. Someone should really invent one of those.


In terms of neuropharmacology, taking DMT is exactly like being schizophrenic for a while. I said insane nonsensical things which I wish I could post here, as they'd portray the character of the craziness very well, but I remember nothing of what I said. I do remember thinking that what I was saying was perfectly normal, and being surprised at the puzzled reactions I got. The trip, bizarrely enough, was characterized by an Eighties feel and aesthetic. The visual and auditory hallucinationswere reminiscent of Pacman. Unlike LSD or mushrooms, the visuals did not, for the most part, derive from the input of my eyes. Instead, there were rapidly changing geometric patterns laid over the entire visual field. Also, everything seemed to have the texture of wood. Although I was pretty much paralysed by the effects of the drug, I never felt like it was getting out of control and I never lost the sense of where I was and ordinary reality. Mostly, this was because I knew it would be over in half an hour. I never forgot that I was on drugs. There was no feeling of euphoria per se, though I definitely enjoyed the trip. The appeal was moreto do withcuriosity and interest


The trip proper was over in about 25 minutes, although I was subject to insane laughing fits for hours after that. I should warn you that my friend, when he snorted it, described the feeling as the worst pain he had ever experienced. He also got a little out of control, tearing posters off the wall and babbling nonsensically. However, to use Hunter Thompson's terminology, it was definitely 'good craziness' rather than 'bad craziness'. He only snorted 2 and a half seeds, but he seems to have a low tolerance for most drugs.


I may be doing yopo again tonight. Or possibly morning glory. I'll let you heads know how it goes.


.Peace.

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[Alfa]

Please post your yopo experiences here. Please note the dosage, onset, peak andduration if possible. Try to desribe the experience as complete as possible.
Edited by: Alfa

[Eirias]

I am glad that you guys are having success with the baking soda
addition technique. I posted about this in another thread here at
the DMT forum, as I first heard about this technique out at
MindStates. It great to finally hear some good reports involving
yopo!

Perhaps at some point one of you psychonauts could write up a
brief "tek" describing the best way to prepare the snuff with baking
soda, and then it could be critiqued and perfected by the input of
others. SWIM would post it, but SWIM actually has zero experience
with Yopo other than identifying the Anadenanthera spp. while in
vacation in southern Mexico.

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[Amphetamientjes]

Hello, I have a question about poppings those yopo seeds

After I popt them and puld of the skin I find it verry hard
"cutting"them correctly. I cant get it into powder, its still
granulous. So if I want to snuf this the right way wat doe I have to
do?

[uncle bob]

I just read your passage and I can't comment on the Syrian Rue but as to the yopo, did you drink all the tea from 12 seeds of anadenanthera perigrina that was boiled for 30 min? I guess the question should read did you drink all of the tea within 60 seconds? and is the syrian rue a MAOI? because yopo seeds are not active orally unless taken with an MAOI and then they become active to the point where 12 seeds would have done quite a number on you.
Does anyone else have a comment? to clarify one point: all of the seeds must be consumed within 60 seconds because any more taken after that will not increase the activity. Although you can do it all over again in about an hour and a half.

[Euphoric]

SWIM's first experiments with yopo were failures, mostly due to misinformation on websites. First swim smoked some through a pipe with a crappy bic lighter. Just one bowl as swim was waiting for mushrooms to kick in. Didn't really feel anything substantial until the mushrooms arrived.

Next SWIM tried snorting them. He'd read that you could cut them with lime for best effects or do them on their own. This I found to be untrue. SWIM lacked lime and did them on their own, probably 4-6 seeds. It seemed a hell of a lot to snort, but SWIM did it and was displeased not only with the lack of effects but also with the brown shit he was sneezing out over the next hour or so.

Finally a success story: SWIM ground up some seeds (8) for he and a friend. They went to SWIMs backyard to lounge and smoke. SWIM's friend brought some grass to make a nice mix. The two shared about 4-5 bowls each in a glass pipe with a torch lighter, using less than half the powder of the ground up seeds. This worked very well. SWIM could not move easily afterwards. He felt a rush of heat and then great weight in his body. SWIM was shaky and passing and refilling the pipe was tough. SWIM wasn't seeing things that weren't there but everything that was there looked very interesting and seemed to form patterns. Shimmering leaves in the wind and dancing grass... Beautiful. The interesting visuals probably only lasted 5-10 minutes, then SWIM just felt very stoned. SWIM finds it hard to smoke and will attempt the baking soda snoting method next time. I take it baking soda is used as a MAOI?

[Nagognog2]

"I take it baking soda is used as a MAOI?"

No. Baking Soda (Sodium Bicarbonate - NaHCO3) acts as an alkaline, like lime, to leach out the alkaloids - which are the active molecules in the Piptadenia Peregrina - Yopo.

[psychedelaholic]

SWIM has tried yopo snuff before with inconclusive results and this thread has renewed his interest in it. SWIM was wondering how different the dosage would be if SWIM took 3g worth of syrian rue seeds pre-ground in capusules first and how long before snorting the snuff should SWIM take them? And is SWIM correct in thinking the ratio of seed to baking soda is 1:1?

[Aardwolf]

Swims experience with Yopo is thus:

After popping the shells off the Yopo seeds the orange material inside smells like roasted chestnuts.

2 seeds powdered in joint = no effect
4 seeds powdered in simple vaporiser = mild headache and sedation
3 seeds powdered and snorted = no effect
3 seeds powdered and cut with baking soda ratio (seeds to baking soda ratio 3:1) = mild headache
1 bowl smoked in bong = Disgusting smoke, nearly sick but got strong sedation.

Haven't yet been able to get visuals advice appreciated for SWIM to get more out of these seeds. Is seed freshness a factor?

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[Demonslayer]

Originally Posted by Aardwolf

1 bowl smoked in bong = Disgusting smoke, nearly sick but got strong sedation.

You are nearly there. You will feel intensly sick for a couple of seconds, then closed eye visuals. If really sucsessfull, open eye visuals and feeling of alien presence (elves?). SWIY needs to inhale deeper and longer.
SWIM stopped exploring yopo/cebil because of the intense nausea.

[Misha]

my first experience with yopo seeds was a little painfully,but great,no doubt.i took 14 seeds and baking soda.after preparation i had a five lines to snuff.after taking all of lines i felt strong pain in head,but only instantaneously.and then i felt something what i doesn`t expect.nice,with positive speculation and whitout unwished semblance.great thing.all other times was same nice as the first.and also other times I use lime instead soda.

[tayo]

maybe grind up yopo with baking soda, leave in high concentrate alcohol for a while.. then strain grounds through coffee filter, assuming alcohol will draw out alkaloids through filter, let filtered alcohol dry and then snort remaining substance which would likely have less irritation to the nose because it would leave much finer ground powder/substance to snort. SWIM thinks that if this happened baking soda wouldnt necessarily be needed.

[Akkijee]

Hi
Here is a Yopo experience from St. Patricks Day earlier this year, that SWIM had.
He was bored in the evening and yearned to do something 'interesting' so decided to have another try at Yopo, using some seeds bought about 2 years ago. He wasn't expecting much (those seeds had been unused for 2 years for a reason...)

Method
3 seeds baked in pan till cracked
Shells removed, insides chopped and ground (no pestle and mortar, so he had to use a thermos flask lid, and a wooden spoon)
Mixed in baking soda (possibly about 1/4 the amount of seed, SWIM can't quite remember)
A small amount of water was added, then the whole lot mixed thoroughly
Blasted in the microwave till dry (30 - 40 seconds in this case)
Formed into two big lines, and taken one up each nostril.

It hurt, but nowhere near what he expected. The nostrils certainly felt full after though, which wasn't really a pleasant feeling.

Onset
After about 5 minutes, he felt something that he couldn't quite put his finger on. Then pressure in his calves, and head. The calves feeling made standing difficult, so he lay down on the floor next to a bucket in case he was sick, and with a small pile of tissues for when his nose finally gave in.
After a few minutes, the darkness behind his eyes begain swirling slowly, still in shades of black, and grey. Open eyes showed the room beginning to show a kind of interference, very faint, like from a slightly out of tune TV channel.
He was very excited to tell me that somewhere around the 15/20 minute mark, the CEV's had developed into 'alien machinery' - success! The machinery made no sense of course, but was fully three dimensional, and continually changing, rotating and turning in on itself. If he turned his head with eyes closed, the image almost changed perspective accordingly.
With eyes open, the slight interference in the room had become quite noticeable and the whole air was filled with tiny pixels of different colours. It seemed 'dense' too. Anyway, he said not a lot was going on visually other than that, and maybe a bit of movement in the carpet etc.
So he spent more time with his eyes closed, the machinery by now (possibly the 30 minute mark), had developed into general non-descript stuff rushing past very quickly, as if riding a bike down a supermarket aisle, and watching the various items on the shelves going by.
Throughout this whole period, there was a very faint noise, like computers chattering with one another in an electronic language. It was quite nice.
Finally his body had had enough and decided it wanted to vomit. This was reflected in his visions, where he saw a large wave wash ashore and deposit tonnes of pollution, eg empty paint cans, dead fish, a bicycle. He wasn't sick in the end, just had to spit a few times.
Somewhere through all this he had to blow his nose too. Unsurprisingly, a lot of gunk came out with it.
He felt the peak was over, so went and lay in bed, with his eyes closed. The CEVs gradually slowly faded over the next half an hour or so. SWIM says he can't really remember what they were, and also he couldn't tell at which point they had faded completely, leaving him with normal closed eyelid boringness.
Rough estimate of duration from insufflation to baseline, a little more than an hour.

SWIM was very excited by his success. After effects were completley non-existant, so he had something to eat, and went out drinking as he had planned later that night, desparate to find someone to talk to about his experience.

He tried repeating the experience with 5 seeds a few weeks later, but actually got less effect. SWIM wonders if he had the optimum amount of powder for his nose to handle with 3, and that any more was wasted...

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Excellent write-up. Keep going.

[FooManChoo]

Onset
After about 5 minutes, he felt something that he couldn't quite put his finger on. Then pressure in his calves, and head. The calves feeling made standing difficult, so he lay down on the floor next to a bucket in case he was sick, and with a small pile of tissues for when his nose finally gave in.
After a few minutes, the darkness behind his eyes begain swirling slowly, still in shades of black, and grey. Open eyes showed the room beginning to show a kind of interference, very faint, like from a slightly out of tune TV channel.
He was very excited to tell me that somewhere around the 15/20 minute mark, the CEV's had developed into 'alien machinery' - success! The machinery made no sense of course, but was fully three dimensional, and continually changing, rotating and turning in on itself. If he turned his head with eyes closed, the image almost changed perspective accordingly.
With eyes open, the slight interference in the room had become quite noticeable and the whole air was filled with tiny pixels of different colours. It seemed 'dense' too. Anyway, he said not a lot was going on visually other than that, and maybe a bit of movement in the carpet etc.
So he spent more time with his eyes closed, the machinery by now (possibly the 30 minute mark), had developed into general non-descript stuff rushing past very quickly, as if riding a bike down a supermarket aisle, and watching the various items on the shelves going by.
Throughout this whole period, there was a very faint noise, like computers chattering with one another in an electronic language. It was quite nice.
Finally his body had had enough and decided it wanted to vomit. This was reflected in his visions, where he saw a large wave wash ashore and deposit tonnes of pollution, eg empty paint cans, dead fish, a bicycle. He wasn't sick in the end, just had to spit a few times.
Somewhere through all this he had to blow his nose too. Unsurprisingly, a lot of gunk came out with it.
He felt the peak was over, so went and lay in bed, with his eyes closed. The CEVs gradually slowly faded over the next half an hour or so. SWIM says he can't really remember what they were, and also he couldn't tell at which point they had faded completely, leaving him with normal closed eyelid boringness.
Rough estimate of duration from insufflation to baseline, a little more than an hour.

SWIM was very excited by his success. After effects were completley non-existant, so he had something to eat, and went out drinking as he had planned later that night, desparate to find someone to talk to about his experience.

He tried repeating the experience with 5 seeds a few weeks later, but actually got less effect. SWIM wonders if he had the optimum amount of powder for his nose to handle with 3, and that any more was wasted...[/quote]

FooManChoo added 2 Minutes and 47 Seconds later...

Whoops my bad silly newbie mistake. Just wanted to say this is so much like my yopo experience that it's scary. We've both been to the same place man. Other crazy shit happened to but you'd all probably think im crapping on. Will make a note that an entity showed me a giant shroom then gave me the thumbs up. It was wicked!

FooManChoo added 612 Minutes and 1 Seconds later...

ps that didn't really happen to me it happened to swim. Geeze I'm a bs artist...

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Good first experience report. Make sure to follow rules =]

[Akkijee]

Hey Foomanchoo

Thats amazing that SWIY had almost the exact same experience as SWIM. It really sounds lik they went to the same 'place'. Unfortunately my friend never remembers any entities on this occasion, but still. It sounds like either an amazing coincidence, or that it's coded into the seeds. I prefer to think the latter I wonder if this 'place' is the same one that native users of this plant visit?

By the way, I've been meaning to post this for ages... If anyone has 'Nothing Lasts... But Nothing Is Lost' by Shpongle, the alien chatter SWIM heard during his experience is really similar to the sounds on the track 'Nothing Lasts' at around the 1:40 mark. Actually it runs throughout most of the second minute but it's best from that point.

Take it easy all.

Akki

[FooManChoo]

AKKIJEE I need to ask man, would you say that the so called 'elf' swiy saw actually resembled more of a goblin? And also I believe where swim went was a place in actually existence. Mode of transport to get there having not been conventionally used by modern man... much. Peace to you...

FooManChoo added 2 Minutes and 22 Seconds later...

PS I bet we went to the exact same place the native users go too. Nice way of putting you think the destination is coded into the seeds. Cool shit man.

[Nagognog2]

If anyone has/can find a trip report on pure Bufotenine - from whatever source - I'd be a very happy camper. It's been on my list for decades. Prisoners seeing spots and turning purple from injections just don't make the grade.

[tip]

Bufotenine!!

These are stone carvings Aztec in origin. Not sure of the date or era but a long time BC.
Has any swimmer seen these objects whilst on yopo cebel snuff.
The first round shaped object seems to pop up around the bottom right and left corners just after break through some times it consumes the whole field of vision peering really close to your face like an eye!! It attempts to block your vision as the transforming objects display them selves to you.



The last work titled “Aztec idol” not sure what it means but is the splitting image if a transforming object encountered by swim on a high dose yopo combined with DXM!! The object appeared to have a surface of consisting motion and transformation!!! There was never ending mutation of shapes symbols and heads geometrical and cartoon like. There were also red blue and white surface colors and there was no human head in the centre more like a rats face with long snout combined with a ducks beak and nasal features.

[tip]

Holy shit swim cannot believe it!!, found this picture on an Aztec historic religion and art site.
In the left hand side you see the transforming machines!!!!! and right at the bottom you see the spider head or it appears to be a serpent with a spider’s fangs and bulbous eyes. this is identical to what swim came in close visual contact with!!!!! Any other swim's seen this as well?????

[tayo]

SWIM smoked 5 ground up yopo seeds... in one bowl felt very close to a breakthrough experience, smoke didn't feel that harsh, but made SWIM cough very harsh.. finished the bowl within the minute, just a light body load. swim is going to do an alcohol extract and collect and smoke a resin instead of the same quantity of material, and hope to eliminate some of the excess.

[69Ron]

Here’s a report from SWIM

In one shot I inhaled all the vapor of 15 mg of a DCM based A/B extract of vilca (colubrina). Within 2 minutes the effect began with a little nausea as usual, and then some tingling sensations. After 3 minutes strong visual effects began. Everything looked to be made of twisting lines. I closed my eyes. I could here music playing and started seeing stars all over. It looked real and the music continued playing in my head. It was mostly the sounds of drums and a lady singing in an unknown language. With my eyes closed I looked around at the universe and suddenly felt dizzy as I could see I was floating in space and had no body. I immediately opened my eyes and saw 3 dimensional objects hovering all around me.

About 5 minutes had passed. I felt hot and my body looked a little redder than normal and my skin was all swirly. My breathing was normal, my heart rate normal. I tried writing down my experience but I couldn’t. I kept pausing in the middle of my sentences, forgetting what I was doing. The computer screen was pulsating and everything around it was pulsating and flashing. My whole body felt tingly. I closed my eyes again hoping for more hallucinations, but this time I only saw a bunch of colored lines and stuff, nothing that interesting.

After about 10 minutes the effects started to diminish. The rest of the trip felt very much like a mushroom trip. The visuals had changed quality and were more mushroom like and euphoria was building as the effects were fading.

After about 45 minutes the effects were gone.

Being very familiar with the effects of pure bufotenine, pure DMT, pure 5-MeO-DMT, psilocybin, LSD, yohimbe, mescaline, and many others, I can honestly say that bufotenine isn’t the only active chemical present. I can feel there’s at least two other alkaloids present. The first is responsible for most of the side effects felt in the first 3 minutes of the trip. The second is responsible for the shift in effects near the end of the trip. The part of the trip that feels the most like bufotenine is the peak. After the peak the psilocybin like effects are from something changing the effects of the bufotenine.

I don’t know what the other compounds are, but they are surely not DMT or 5-MeO-DMT in Vilca. The dose is too small for DMT to do much, and the effects are nothing at all like 5-MeO-DMT. I've mixed pure 5-MeO-DMT with pure bufotenine and smoked it once and the effects are VERY NICE, but nothing at all like Yopo/Vilca. When you mix pure 5-MeO-DMT with pure bufotenine it adds mental psychedelic effects, lots of euphoria, and lessons the visual effects of bufotenine quite a bit. When you add pure DMT to pure bufotenine, it makes the visuals stronger, and adds more mental psychedelic effects. But neither combination feels like Yopo/Vilca does. So even though DMT and 5-MeO-DMT are present, the effects from vilca are primarily from bufotenine and something else.