5-MEO-DMT experiences

[Alfa]

Please post your experiences here. Please note the dosage, onset, peak andduration if possible. Try to desribe the experience as complete as possible. Edited by: Alfa

[jaguarangel]

A shaman gave SWIM 5mg. smoked. Laying down with music,sitter, quiet,
Quick onset, flying thru the universe, feeling love for everyone, sensing web
of interconnectedness, Whole experience lasted 15-20 min. did not eat for 4
hours prior to experience. Talked about the time with others in circle at the
end. Good for self analysis work.

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Brief, lacking detail, but thanks for the report.

[prospero]

Ha ha, well the opposite of that I'm afraid. Smoked about 10mg, plunged into a world of fear, terror, confusion, panic,and the feeling that all my drug use had finally driven me insane and I was NEVER coming back.


10 minutes later I did come back and all seemed fine after all, except a week later I had an intense out of body experience and flashback, and then suffered further flashbacks for a period of six months.Also for six months I had disturbed sleep, tripping in dreams, difficulty in concentrating when I was awake,poor memory, minor HPPD, and the overall feeling thatI had given myself permanent brain damage. After six months things eased up a bit, but fortwo years after the initial experienceI still felt things were 'not right' in my head.


Now everything definitely is back to normal, but I'll never take that stuff again!


(It's worth mentioning I'm a very experienced tripper having taken large doses of all sorts of drugs over the years. However NOTHING has ever affected me theway 5-MeO-DMT did)Edited by: prospero

[iam-tsv]

Originally Posted by prospero

Ha ha, well the opposite of that I'm afraid. Smoked
about 10mg, plunged into a world of fear, terror, confusion,
panic,and the feeling that all my drug use had finally driven me
insane and I was NEVER coming back.

What a bad trauma.

Originally Posted by prospero

10 minutes later I did come back and all seemed
fine after all, except a week later I had an intense out of body
experience and flashback, and then suffered further flashbacks for a
period of six months.Also for six months I had disturbed sleep,
tripping in dreams, difficulty in concentrating when I was
awake,poor memory, minor HPPD, and the overall feeling
thatI had given myself permanent brain damage. After six
months things eased up a bit, but fortwo years after the initial
experienceI still felt things were 'not right' in myhead.

The post traumatic stress syndrom in effect?

[prospero]

That was certainly part of it, except that the flashbacks weren't simple panic attacks, but genuine re-creations of the trip experience. A horrible experience overall, thoughI have to admit that the out of body experiences (when not accompanied by a flashback) were pretty cool.Edited by: prospero

[Dimitri]

Hey...pretty hard story prospero.

I would definitely say 5-Meo-DMT is not for everybody. The quick coming
up is something that someone needs to get used to...or simply doesn't
need to experience.

My first time I was doing it nasally, but I will probably not do that
again, since I hate the burning (which starts after a couple of minutes
and lasts half an hour or so).

Problem with smoking is, that it is pretty difficult to "hit" the right
dose (I still speak about the first time). When someone just smokes a
bit (3 mg or even less) the tolerance is build up pretty quickly.
Within the next 5-10 minutes SWIM can add some smoked material, but
SWIM mostly needs more, compared to reach the same level via simply one
toke. So ... the conclusion is: the first toke is the only toke for
this day that makes sense (at least for SWIM).



But this is an "experiences" thread, so I want to add that I really
love this substance. It is a egokiller like DMT...the strongest forces
that I can experience. Although there is not much images in my
visual field, it is extremely psychedelic to my thinking and can create
synestasia from this way too. Wherever I put my attention on, I am able
to merge with this stimulus, but more in a spiritual way, not in the
way of visualisation like shrooms, DMT or Acid does.




Edited by: Dimitri

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Informative post, thanks.

[Montgolfier]

OH MY GOD!!!!!!


SWIM has had 3 small doses of this substance in the past -all three experiences had been quite similar - reality 'billowing' like a cloud, small clicks, pops and flanges were heard and a feeling of a genuine warmth and euphoria was felt -the whole experience lasted about 10/13 minutes.


But nothing could have prepared him for the 5-meo trip he had at the weekend!!


He was with five close friends at the UK Glastonbury music festival. He had previously taken E that evening (1 & 1/2 medium strength mdmapills) and tired of dancing, he decided to go up to the stone circle to chill out and watch the sunrise. One of the guys was tucking into some Salvia extract so he thought it would be a good time to try a bit of 5-meo. He prepared 10mg over some tin foil in a pipe and lit it. It fired really well and he got a good blast of the familiar plastic-like taste....


THEN WAM!!!!!!!!!!!


He fell backwards into the fetal position with his arms folded over his chest, and a huge grin on his face (so he was told) -the feeling he had was very psychedelic, but not visual or auditory like LSD etc, there was an overwhelming feeling of Euphoria, of being loved, and Love for everything. Even though he was rolling on the ground and writhing uncontrollably, he was still quite aware of his friends voices talking between themselves saying things like "wow that stuff looks strong, what is it?" and "I dont think I would like to 'lose it' like that". And he remembered thinking he must look quite a sight with his face transfixed in euphoric bliss, and wondering how he could ever explain what he was experiencing. Apparently his heartbeat was visible and his breathing was worryingly fast to his friends, but to him it seemed quite in tune with the experience. (unlike small doses that made him worry about changes in his breathing)


When he came around and started to focus, one of his friends said - "quick- explain what you saw before you forget it" - the only thing he could put into words was a feeling that everything had equal importance, the rock (which he apparently hugged), a plant that was growing, his friends - all had equal importance -everything shared the same beauty.


He actually felt quite 're-born' after the experience, and felt fine the next couple of days. Having read 'prospero's' report, he is a little worried that there will be long-term mental health worries, but possibly this could be connected to prospero's very negative trip, SWIMS was 100% positive so perhaps that has something to do with it ?


To conclude - SWIM thinks he will be taking this substance again but it will be after a good break, it was very overwhelming and he needs time to process the information he was flooded with, and see if he can make any sense from it. He is more interested at this point to hear other experiences from users that went as far 'out there' as he did!

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	Interesting report.
	Cool report, thanks for sharing

[prospero]

I think you 'll be fine Mr Cheese as you and the drug obviously get on well together - me and the drug just don't. If you do have any sort of flashbacks they'll probably be positive and you'll enjoy them; and even if not, all reports I've read, and my own experience, confirm that the flashbacks etc do fade quite quickly and completely disappear after a year or two.

[fivemeoeyes]

i've had wonderful times on 5-meo-dmt and continue too. i almost always
do it with friends and hardly ever by myself. I tend to talk while its
going with firneds doing it as well and soemtimes i just meditate,
however i dont know if anything is really there, by that i mean that
its blissful but am i gaining anything, i dont really do too much
introspective thinking on it, it doesnt give me any great ideas, things
dont start streaming out, it doesnt seem to help my creative writing.
Perhaps i am just not looking in the right places perhaps its only an
experience to be experienced while in deep mediation or to be lightly
smoked for conversation with firends. Anyone else have an opinion or
idea about 5-meo-dmt?

[Montgolfier]

SWIM knows what you mean fivemeoeyes, While blissfull and strange, he dosn't really gain any insights off this chemical, which leaves him wondering just how usefull it is. Unlike Salvia which usually opens up all sorts of questions and possibilities that keeps him thinking for days!

[Sklander]

SWIMdid 12mg nasally, and like mentionedthe burn is something to deal with.


Total trip time was 20 minutes with a come up of about 1 minute. Overall, the experiece wasn't great due to the amount of burning. SWIM is hoping to smoke the substance soon, though.

[VictorBorge]

Here is a report I wrote a long time ago the first time I used 5-MeO:


I finally received some of this storied compound today, and I couldn't wait
to try it. I measured out 6mg of the freebase into my shiny new glass
vaporizer pipe, took a few deep meditative breaths, heated the pipe for
several seconds, and smoked it in 2-3 hits. I immediately felt something,
just a bit of mental slowdown, equivalent to maybe a hit of weak pot.
After a few minutes I decided that was all it was going to be for that dose,
and decided to try more.

I added 12mg to my pipe, and then discovered that the extended heating
period had fried my little Bic lighter. The flint part had disintegrated. So I
went to the kitchen and used the flame from the gas range. The light was
bad and I couldn't really see any smoke inside the chamber even after
about 20 seconds; in hindsight, I'm guessing the exteme heat from the
gas flame just did such a good job that the material went straight into a
transparent gas.

Anyway, I took a monster hit and got it all in one puff. (By the way, I have
to say, this stuff does taste kind of cool. It tastes like a plastic toy ...
which is ironic, because it is the exact opposite of a toy.)

Almost instantly, I let out an involuntary groan of surprise and sat down
on the floor. I leaned against the stove and with the last vestiges of
normal consciousness, I realized I had better close my eyes and hang on.

I got the full white-out. Behind my eyes was ... nothing. Absolute bare
existence and nothing else. I was looking into a void that was not vast
and expansive, but incredibly close and intrusive, like a sheet thrust into
my face. All thought disappeared. It was terrifying, and my heart was
racing; I knew it would pass, I just wasn't sure how quickly. I "thought"
(that's not the right word; maybe better to say that with my little reptilian
vestige of a brain I "felt") that if this state continued I might well lose my
self. It was like my highest dose acid trip times, literally, 100.

But after only about 20-30 seconds, my ego clawed its way back, and I
opened my eyes and latched on to the first object in my view (the metal
knob on a drawer opposite me) like a life preserver bobbing in the ocean.

I slid down onto my back and stared up at the ceiling. After a few more
seconds a ridiculous grin spread across my face. I can't remember the last
time I was so delighted just to be alive and in one piece! I had a massive
head rush that was quickly turning into a dull headache -- it felt like I
just stepped off the wildest roller coaster ride imaginable: I was elated,
flabbergasted, proud of myself for having survived, and slightly ill from
all the heart-pounding adrenaline of a near-death experience.

Twenty minutes later (as I type this), I can't quite imagine doing this to
myself again any time soon. This is a first for me; every other psychedelic
I have tried has left me wanting more -- if not immediately, then
someday soon. This one ... man. I don't know. I'm glad I tried it, but that
is some seriously scary shit. You might have to double-dare me to get me
to do that again.

I wish I had some deep personal insights gained that I could share with
you, and point the way to enlightenment. Maybe after a few days of
perspective I will. For now just let me say, be careful with this stuff, but
also don't let anyone tell you you can be prepared for it. It really is like
dying, and it really isn't like any other material out there (that I've tried).

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	Great report, thanks.
	please dont incriminate yourself.. :) use SWIM instead

[pyro15]

How much different is the experience of 5-MeO-DMT than DMT?

[Montgolfier]

@Victorborge - SWIM knows what you mean - its a great experience (in a strange sort of heart pounding way) it makes you grin from ear to ear with some sort of primative enjoyment, but as soon as you're finished you kind of thank god (or whichever freak is in charge) that you made it through and think twice about visiting that place ever again )

[VictorBorge]

I hadn't yet tried N,N-DMT when I wrote that report. Now, I wouldn't
ever take 5-MeO over the real thing. DMT has all the power of 5-MeO,
and is so infinitely much more interesting.

[scriptlord]

I was at a friend's house enjoying the one set of a moderate dose of 2c-i. A few of us had chosen to take the chem and relax and watch some films. I had also brought over 5-meo-dmt (probably 2-3 doses of 5mg each). We were using tin foil and a pen tube to smoke it. My one friend totally lost the entire hit by improper and sloppy technique. My turn came around and I did the drug equivalent to a barry bond's home run. I held the tin foil over a candle andwith a slow, deep breathinhaled the smokeinto my lungs. I exhaled a huge cloud of smoke confirming the perfect hit. Immediately my mind was racing, the onset was fierce and suprising like waking up out of a good dream by falling out of bed. I somehow made it to the bathroom feeling I may vomit from the intense onset. I probably did 10 years worth of thinking and understanding in that bathroom for those 5 minutes. I never did get sick but 5-meo-dmt earned something that day from me. Respect. I never did continue to have the love affair with 5-meo-dmt as I've had with many other gorgeous research chemicals. I must say though, it was one hell of a one night stand.

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Would like more details, especially RE: the ten years of thinking. Thanks for the report though.

[Freak_]

Everytime SWIM takes a hit (smoke) of 5-Meo-DMT he gets a headache immediantly, or better say a big pressure on his head he don't likes. This is the only and major negative thing. It could be a perfect material for SWIM if there weren't these headaches. Even at real small doses.
Taking 5-Meo-DMT when tired gets SWIM awake for 1-2 hours after the real effects/visuals, a bit speedy, even at small doses. He is interested in how long you stay awake after taking a hit or if there are people who directly can go to sleep after the real effects (visuals) has gone.

[Kirara]

SWIM took about 5mg of 5-meo-dmt by smoke.. the trip was simply orgasmic.. SWIM fell into a puddle of omg, and melted into the other tripper, and felt one with them.. almot freakishly.. felt real.. not very enlightning or inteligent, but at the moment all questions or thoughts felt like they were answered.. but promptly forgotten.. SWIMS head was buried in skin and blankets so no visuals were seen..both times ..was done twice.

[Beeker]

Dennis Mckenna talks about 5-meo being what death is like. I believe he is wrong and I know he and his brother Terence did pleeeenty of DMT and hell, his brother wrote Psilocybin: Magic Mushroom Grower's Guide so you know he used pleeenty of that.

I don't think there is any drug that can show the afterlife as it is and 5-meo seems like something that kills ego and messes with the auditory but beyond that is not much to talk about compared to DMT and mushrooms.

Of the 100mg SWIM went threw it was always the same.. ego death, strange sounds, a white space, a return. Not really scary but the return from ego death is always a happy one for SWIM no matter the substance.

[Silence_Inc]

check the movie files section for 5-meo-dmt experiences ...

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/loc...s.php?catid=43

coolio and his friend Ohm.

(btw Readon - the mushroom guide was written by both of them - O.T. Oss & O.N. Oeric - btw2 - they both did pleeenty of mushrooms, read 'True Hallucinations' and get amazed... Dennis got treated mentally for some time after that trip)

[Beeker]

Originally Posted by Silence_Inc

(btw Readon - the mushroom guide was written by both of them - O.T. Oss & O.N. Oeric - btw2 - they both did pleeenty of mushrooms, read 'True Hallucinations' and get amazed... Dennis got treated mentally for some time after that trip)

I remember hearing an Shaman conferance in the 80's that laster a weekend with T McKenna and when Terrance talked about the book in question but never mentioned his brother as someone who worked on it. I was just going on that lecture. Thanks for the correction and True Hallucinations kida freaked me out in places because I could see being around people in an odd place and freaking out like that.

[fatal]

swim's friend smoked 40 mg of 5-meo-dmt. this was placed into a pipe made from aluminum and toilet paper roll and smoked in one hit. this friend of a friend then immediately lapsed into convulsions and bizarre violent(more destructive) behavior which lasted for about 45 minutes. this included him biting another individual on the forehead, licking a ski, smashing everything off the shelves in his basement. the convulsive acticity was very similar to a grand mal seizure. BP heart rate and temperature were way up. exact measurements were not recorded. the experience was reported as a archetypal void experience.

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Weird, thanks for sharing.

[Beeker]

think of 5-meo-dmt like you would a Ferarri without an engine.. Looks like a kick ass ride on the outside but you miss out big when it comes to experiance.

[QGdoxl]

How does the trip differ between smoked and nasal ingestion? Other than the burn. for a first timmer would smoked be too fast an onset, and too intense? For a first timmer would snorted last too long, or easier to handle because of the slower ride up?


thoughts?

[Nahbus]

His dose was unknown. It was a small pile about the size of his pinky nail. This was his first experience.
SWIM weighs about 135 lbs.
Anyway, here is a quote from SWIM:

"So it was a beautiful day out. Nice and sunny and warm. I decided to go have a picnic in the park with my closest friends and girlfriend. after eatting I decided to get this show on the road. I made a tin foil spoon and dumped the tiny bit of powder inside. I looked at it for a minute, then looked toward the sky. So many thoughts of what I will experience flood my head. Ok, it's time.
I had my girlfriend hold the spoon while I lit it and inhaled the fumes. First hit, nothing really. Felt a slight body high. Ok, time for the rest i thought. I lit it again, this time the substance started bubbling violently. I inhaled deeply. Mid inhalation I felt like I got hit in the face with an acid trip, saying "oh my god" or "whoa" or something like that while looking into my girlfriends eyes. Right then everything kind of wooshed passed me in a fog and I found myself pretty immobile, laying in the beautiful green grass, looking at the fantastic sky (as a cloud kind of whisped around slightly). I thought "is this it? I didn't break through, I won't be meeting those aliens today. bummer. Still feels nice!" As I lay there looking at the sky and grass, trying to mumble something out, I started to try and move or say something, but this was quite the task. I was sweating heavy bullets at this point, and I think I heard one of my friends say how badly I was sweating. This bothered me none. "go in the shade" they said. Yeah, sure. You try getting up and goin in the shade when it feels like you can't move! It was a very peculiar experience. Slowly everything came back and the trip feelings faded. "What a a kooky drug!" I said. For about an hour after I felt as though i was coming down from an LSD trip or the like. I enjoyed myself, even though I didn't have enough or didn't do it right to break through and sky rocket into space. Next time I'll know what to expect. I can see how this can be very overwhelming for certain people. It's kind of like an acid trip all mushed up into a ball, and when you inhale 5-meo-DMT it's like someone hurled this acid-ball at your face. BAM! Anyway, not much of a report, but I didn't experience any discomfort, it was all fun, and plan on trying it again soon, hopefully breaking through!"

Anyway that was SWIMs experience. Anything he should do differently next time? Sorry it's not much of a report, but hopefully SWIM will have an even more insightful one.

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	good
	Interesting, thanks for the report.