Experiences - Salvia Divinorum Experiences

[awakening]

i have a lot of experience with salvia and i will try to post as many reports as time will allow.


My first try was with standard leaf and i just got the sweats.


I tried several other times at varying strengths and never got anything more than a slight somewhat stoned feeling and soaked in sweat.


Then a friend of mine at a local headshop got some new blueberry flavored 25X and offered me a gram to test out before he began selling it. This is what happened.


Myself and two friends (T and J) were on the way to the beach to shoot off some fireworks. On the way we picked some teenage hitchhikers who were headed in the same direction. after dropping them off we shot the fireworks and retreated to the van to listen some slightly stoopid (check em out if you like sublime.) It was about 10 pm. i told J and T i had some salvia and asked if they wanted to smoke. Not really expecting much we all got ready. Seriously doubting i put about 1/2 gram in my small wooden pipe. after several minutes of searching for the torch lighter a took some huge thwacks.Almost immediately i was catapulted into what looked similar to a sidecut of leaf observed through a microscope. I was a part of molecular activity. I was no loner aware of the van, my friends, my body, or even that i had smoked something. Then all the cells grew two wooden popsicle stick legs and eyes. We began to play some sort of game i'm not quite sure anymore i just know it had something to do with dividing yourself. Then i got the overwhelming sense that the "popsicle men" had become hostile. i wasn't afraid...i just no longer wanted to be a part of there game. I began to be aware of the sky and stars again. i realized i was now outside the van lying on the ground in the middle of a small back street. T was staring at me with a WTF face and J was already mid hit, eager to see what i was seeing. i tried to warn him but couldn't find the words. 5-10 seconds after his hit he jumped out of the van and screamed "i'm NOT FUCKIN GOING" and ran straight into the sea wall, scraping himself up pretty good. T went to check on him but he was unaware of her presence. At this point i was able to get up and move around and a explained to T what i experienced. we waited until J came out of it (about 4 min) but he was unable to recall anything, the only result he will ever have in the future. With only a small amount left T opted to try it assuming it wouldn't as strong. And it wasn't. T just laughed a lot and reported psychedelic like visuals. We got in the van and drove home, all with a knew found knowledge and respect for the powers of salvia.

[paradies]

Originally Posted by CoKanE

I used to do salvia quite a bit untill I flushed about $40 dollars worth of 10x down the john about four months ago. The reason I did this was because everytime I would get High I started feeling like everyone around me was the devil and the world around me wasn't a reality. This stuff can be real fun, but I started to not trust it with my mind. Thats just a personal thing though - hope you all are enjoying the shit out of your experiances.

The world around you is a reality...but just one of many, many realities. I have a friend who hates Salvia too.He did it twice. He just hates it when he starts to disassociate and"see" things differently than he is used to via his current organic perspective. He also hates anything that causes him to struggle to keep his ego fully in control.


He did 4-HO-MIPT with me once and spent the whole time totally getting into forcing his mind/ego to concentrate as hard as possible so he wouldn't really experience what 4-HO had for him. He wouldn't enter into conversations with me, while in that state, because it started to "make him look at things differently." He spent six hours drawing the smallest circles I've ever seen before...scarely bigger than a dot. He was beyond pent up. That was such a "waste" of 4-HO, in my opinion.


I, on the other hand, absolutely love Salvia and having my ego "die" while experiencing other realities. I find it easy to let go...and very invigorating. It is practicing letting myself disassociate as far and as "splintered" as possible...experiencing what is "there" and then finding all the parts of me scattered about and bringing them all back together again...until I am a central thinking ego once again in my body. For me this is extremely satisfying and gives me more "power" to go further into other realities without having my "ego" freaking out and trying to gain control by telling me shit to scare me into paying exclusive attention to it...shit like everyone around me is the devil, for instance.


I don't give my ego any attention...and that is THE KEY. Stop paying attention to it...stop listening to the little voice in your head...just be quiet and receive...stop broadcasting...just let go and let it in.


My friendand I have had many talks about this. He is just totally mental...and happens to be OCD and ADHD as well. His whole reality is his ego and mind. He just hates anything that shakes that reality. He truly is incapable of shutting up that little voice in his head (ego) and letting go. He really believes he would die, if he did. He wouldn't die, of course, but nothing I can say or show him has a chance of changing his perspective. Just to make things more difficult, he totally believes in "determinism." Sheesh...once a person believes that...any other possibilities are over.


He will have a very difficult time, when he dies. It will be hell for him.Too bad. It doesn't have to be that way at all. Letting the ego go and letting this reality go for a while, is very good practice for death.


Edited by: paradies

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Very good insight into the prep for death thing. Never thought me it that way before. Infact, your view point on that ha...

[Stiney]

This vision came to me in a dream.

I'm sitting on the edge of my bed and I pack about a 1/4 of a gram, i think, into my large glass pipe. I have butterflies in my stomach and a big stupid grin on my face like I always do just before I smoke Salvia. I look over to my freinds sitting on the sofa across the room and tell them "shhh, here boys shut the fuck up for a minute, I want it to be quiet", they all laugh and then quiet up. I lift the pipe to my lips and light the red wind-proof USAF lighter in my hand and stick the flame into the top of the pipe and start sucking in the smoke. It takes about 10 seconds untill I'm sure all the Salvia is burned up, and I nearly cough up the harsh hot smoke twice as I'm inhaling, but I manage to hold it together. I pull the lighter away from my lips and drop it into the ashtray on the floor beside me and gulp down a big lungfull of fresh air to wash the Salvia down into the debts of my lungs, then clamp my mouth shut and start counting backwards from 60 in my head. I'm not even aware of my friends sitting across the room for me any more. So I'm counting backwards 31....30....29....28, then my lungs start screaming at me and I exhale a long thin stream of smoke, letting it out as slow as possible.

When the smokes all gone and my lungs are empty, I take another big breath of air and then start breathing normally again. I wait ten seconds :nothing, 15 seconds :nothing. One of my freinds shouts over "Stiney, anything happening?", "nah nothing, I think it's a boggie batch or somethi.....". And thats it, I feel that strange creepy feeling like the gravity on the left side of my body just got ten times stronger than the gravity on my right, and I start getting pulled down to my left, a little bit at a time. My intial reaction is to try and fight it, but then I decide to roll with it and decide to let my friends know its working, "here boys It's defina..........HA HAH AHAH AHAHHAHHAHAH" I burst out laughing uncontrolably mid sentence as I feel the world shift out of phase. I lie back down on my bed, giggling to myself and shut my eyes.

I'm climbing up the walls of the castle, I know I have to get to the top and scale the wall but everytime i get my hand on the highest stone I forget how to work my fingers and and start falling back down. I have to get to the top, that bastard of a King is trying to outlaw the villagers rights to enter the forest of the eights. As if they belonged to him! Bastard! I won't let that happen. Concentrate!! don't forget how to work your fingers this time! I don't when I get to the top I reach a hand up and pull myself up over the edge. Then I remember my sword and peer back over the wall and see it lying there at the bottom. You were conentrating to hard on your fingers ya idiot, forgot to bring your sword! Thats when I see them running towards me, the kings naked mace yielding gaurds. Fuck this, I'm not getting my head smashed by a mace, not one being swung by a fat naked bald eunuch in anways. So I decide and cut my loses, I'll never reach the kings quarters now, but the princess is on her balcony about 20 meters away. So I turn and make a dash for her, I grab her by her wrist and dive off the wall with her just as the kings gaurd are nearly on top of us. Luckily we land on the cushion grass that runs along the east wall and we're both unhurt. So we turn and make a mad dash for the forest of the eights, we'll be safe once we're inside.

We decide to seek out the people that live in the foxes hair. Word has spread that the King is so angry about his daughter escaping the palace that he's assembled the entire strenght of the kingdom armies and is planning an all out attack on the forest of the eights, rumour has it he means to kill everything that dwells in the and burn the forest to the ground as a warning to the peoples of the forest of the sevens not to disobey the kingdom.

After seven nights we eventually find the fox hair people and warn them what is coming. There decision is unanimous. The time for rebellion is at hand and everything we've been preparing for is apon us. The first battle lasts over a month fought day and night and ends as a stalemate with both sides retreating to tend to our wonded and regroup, but we all know that its just the beginning.

The war continued for 3 years with but sides making gains and loses leaving all armies on all sides staggered and isolated. Then during the third winter of the campaign, we start to hear rumours from the west that the kindom armies are in rout, and in all out retreat in some places. We all suspect and hope we know the cause but noones speaks about it openly for fear of getting our hopes up falsely. But its only a few weeks untill we realise our prayers have been awnsered, and the forests have united. The main force of the forest of the sixes have fought through to our positions and we join our armies to thiers. They bring news that the forest of the fives, were the first of the forests to join the war against the kingdom. Soon the forest of the ones came down from thier hills, and the forest of the twos swept down thier flank to ensure they couldn't be attacked from the rear. The forest of the elevens rode down on thier wolves from the east. And by now all forests were jioned in battle.

The word has spread, on the final moon of the winter, we launch a final push. The night comes and we are assembled for war again, the fox hair people at the front of our force as always. "STINEY!, Are you alright man! ahhahahahha" I open my eyes, "What? what are laughing at?. HAHA ahhh man you've just been lying there laughing for like five minutes straight, Give us that fucking pipe there hahaha."

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Thats one hell of a story, thanks for posting. However, please review the rules on self-incrimination before posting fu...

[Salvinorin A]

Wow Stiney, that's quite a story. SWIY is lucky cus SWIM never actually gets that kind of vivid imagery and dreamlike scenarios. SWIM just gets a load of chaos, very intense chaos.

Glad SWIY had an interesting trip.

Peace.
Sal-A

[bricks_in_the_wall]

For swims first Salvia experience his friend came over for a sleepover at swims parents house. swims friend had already tried Salvia his share of times and had about 1/3 of a gram left of his 20 x . Swim wanted to try it so swims friend stogged him a nice pipe with some. swim told him he wanted a big hit but swims friend said it was already a big hit in the pipe but it didnt seem like it. Swim and his friend were sitting down on the bed and swim inhaled all the smoke and held it in for about half a minute. he handed the pipe and lighter abrubtly to his friend. Before exhaling things started to seem slightly tingly and wavey so swim exhaled. Before all the smoke was even exhaled swim was in a completely different universe completely surrounded by bright red and waveyness. It appeared like a stove element type of red. Swims room and friend had disspeared and swim thought he took too much and was going crazy. for what seemed only like 30 seconds swim felt as if being run over by a steam roller starting at the feet up until the head, and when swims head would become squat he would spin around and around. He also had the feelings of being peeled off of surfaces, being ripped apart, and being written onto a surface in handwriting (swim being the tip of the pencil, being left on a surface). Swim tried as hard as he could to remember what word was being written on the wall but never could. All these physical hallucinations were repetitive and felt real except for the pain which was a type of imagined pain. At one point in swims trip he remebered looking to the right and only seeing his friends face and the red bakcground. His friend was smiling and looked like his friend after the trip but when swim saw him he thought he was an evil stranger who was doing this to him. What felt like 30 seconds after being clinically insane swims room started to reappear, swim instantly reached out and tried to grab a hold of his pillow, as soon as he grabbed the pillow he had to let go because from his waist down was trapped inside of or joined with the wall and he had a fear he was going to rip himself in half. Then he just lay there on his stomach terribly groggy and tired and looked over at his friend who had a huge smile on his face. swim asked what happned and his friend said "wow you must of had a good one" haha Swim laughed and asked why and his friend said as soon as swim blew out his hit he started laughing as loud as he could for 5 minutes straight except for at one point when swim turned to see his friend and put his palm up quickly facing his friend with a very surprized and scared look on swims face then continued laughing. Swims parents were in bed this whole time so swims friend was trying to put a pillow over swims face because he was laughing so loud and uncontrollably. Swim and his frined had a huge joint waiting for after the experience but swim was so tired and groggy that he lay on the bed for about 20 minutes nearly passed out, then he felt new and revitalized . Swim could do nothing but keep laughing and asking his friend hat he was doing during his trip for the rest of the night.

Swim would not have considered this a good trip, but even though it was so damn scary throughout almost the whole trip swim would not consider it a bad trip (guessing so because it was so short lived). Swim had the thought in his mind during the trip that the Salvia was actually just a prank substance for scarring the shit out of people. Either way it was very enlightening and fun and i would recommend to almost anyone unless you have any mental instabilities.

Swim dont know why swim used swim so many times in this post considering Salvia is legal but swim was too lazy to go back and change it. It was hard enough getting used to using swim considering this is swims first post. ha ha.

[PhoenixOnPhire]

Lucky #13

This experience was taken from the journal of my dear friend Zero.

Omgoodness – Holy crap. That was intense. I just did 13x Sally D. I was listening to Archetechture in Helskinki. I had the visualizations going on WMP. I immediately was overcome with a sense of—I didn’t know what life has ever been and I was finding out right now. I closed my eyes and started seeing a scene, it was like a lucid dream, I was laying there in bed and the music overtook me so much so that I felt as if I was one of the members of the band. The scene became real. Life was liquid and my mind was swimming. It was like I was actually standing up on stage or more so that I was held in between this reality and the next. In this reality I was lying in bed, in the next I was standing on stage singing a song, the song I was listening to. My mind was telling me, “You have been searching for a path, a path of greatness, a magic to exit the mundane, to become anything at all, where ever it is that the universe wishes to take you. Then I felt as if I was being violently pulled into the next reality, and felt as if I or something else was smothering me into the next life, into my blanket and my bed, it felt like my arm was piercing through the world. I am currently using an inflatable bed so I thought I had punched my arm through it. I thought if I were to just ‘go with it’ I would have ended up suffocating myself into my bed. So I jerked myself out of my bed and out of the magnetic pull that the next reality had on me. As I got up, the music, the words began describing me that I was coming to this realization that I was moving about in a frantic manner. My thoughts began to merge with the music and I thought I had completely lost my mind. I ran around and found myself in need of human assurance that I was still in this reality, I ran to the door, undid the locks, and ran outside and up the first step and screamed, “HELLO!?” in a questioning manner. All the while I felt that maybe I was still lying in bed and that I had fell in between the two realities. I thought that everything around me was familiar because I didn’t know what else to envision. I felt I was in Bardo (purgatory, but not a bad thing). I quickly realized my harsh judgment of the situation, and my fear of getting caught got the better of me. So I ran inside and slammed the door, allowing the cans I had stacked up to fall all over my kitchen. I cleaned them up and headed to the computer to shut off the music. I ended up unplugging everything and then finally finding the mute button.

architecture in helsinki
Heart It Races
From: Places Like This
And we're slow to acknowledge the knots on the laces
heart it races
and we go back to where we moved out to the places
heart it races
i bought it in a can and stirred it with my finger
singing boom-dadadadadadada boom-dadadada
through it out the window
and lately you've been tanned
suspicious for the winter with your
boom-dadadadadadada boom-dadadada
legs like little splinters
and we're slow to acknowledge the knots in the laces
heart it races
and we go back to where we move out to the places
heart it races
i sold it to a man and threw him out that window
he went boom-dadadadadadada boom-dadadada
made his wife a widow
heart it races alone
everybody go
Boom dadadadadadada boom dadadada

A very tribal sounding song….--- Wow, I am finally un-tensing and reading over the lyrics and just seeing the irony of listening to a song called, ‘Heart it races,’ in a situation like this. I have recently been reading into stories of shamans, gurus, magic, and more specifically those in Generation Hex and the Ultraculture journal. This leads me to think of a lot of different theories, most sound rather unrealistic, but who is to say what is real.

-Maybe we can be whatever we want, not in the hokey traditional sense, but rather we can truly manifest ourselves into A N Y T H I N G! Anything at all. In this case I gave myself a catalyst and I let myself be under the will of Sally and go where ever and be what ever she wanted me to be.

-Zero

[Euthanatos93420]

These are two posts SWIM made in forums elsewhere on the internet (gotta love find & replace, lol...note as such there may be grammatical errors as SWIM's editing was brief, SWIM is sure you will figure it out). It must be noted that SWIM'S experiences are extremely occaisonal and in the case of Salvia, singular. SWIM has learned a lot in this forum and benefited from anecdotals and other references from this forum. SWIM felt it would be best to relate his experience. *Location edit.

AHH!!!! Salvia! Such a lovely and powerful thing indeed! SWIM have used Salvia Once and the experience was absolutely wonderful. A friend and SWIM did it together. We had a gram of 40x. Now, SWIM don't try anything new without doing SWIM'S research and listening to other's testaments first. SWIM knew the most effective way to use it (in accordance with reverse tolerance SWIM could come back after every hit and ground myself before jumping higher and that a bong and torch lighter were absolutely necessary tools, These are true SWIM discovered). Many reccomended not combining it with Marijuana but after contemplating SWIM decided to use the two together for personal reasons and found it to workout very well though the Salvia overpowered any sense of the pot). The first two hits had SWIM'S world tipping. Then a slight feeling at the edge of SWIM'S body SWIM couldn't name, they second was just a more exaggerated version of the first. Then SWIM'S buddy did some and having experienced it first SWIM did a few hand motions and movements to help give him a few pleasant visualiztions, which he, unlike myself, apparently experienced as litteral hallucination. SWIM personally never had actual hallucinations though SWIM'S vision was definately fucked with but ill get to that in a bit. So when SWIM'S buddy came back to reality SWIM packed SWIM'S self a good hit which ended up as a double hit and SWIM feel like SWIM wasted some of it but SWIM definately got the effect SWIM was after.
SWIM immmediately put that feeling into words. SWIM told SWIM'S buddy, "SWIM feel like SWIM's a sticker being peeled off of a reality that has become 2d and like a balloon thats about to "POP!" Thereafter They would get communal "flashbacks" of a sort. It wasn't the same experience at all. Merely that reality was being altered slightly and SWIM would say "Pop!" He would nod in agreement and They would laugh.
Laughter...after this "feeling" SWIM have described began to intensify SWIM started laughing and SWIM couldn't stop. SWIM couldn't even try to stop. It was so damn compulsory. SWIM thought it was the greatest thing in the world. Ever since about two year into smoking tabbacco SWIM have been unable to laugh like SWIM did in SWIM'S youth. A compulsory laughter fit that would overcome me on even the smallest bit of humor and SWIM would laugh for 10 minutes or more. It came about the shortly after begginning these fits SWIM'S lungs would begin to hurt and SWIM would cough. These fits of laughter have ceased to happen. Saliva in a way too me back and somehow oddly made it possible for me to laugh like that again. For that SWIM am eternally grateful for the experience of.
IN any case the feelings began to intensify. SWIM'S vision began to spin. But not a drunken kind of spin where the entire picture moves cohesively from one end to the other and then returning in a snap to the beginning and repeating. But rather it was like SWIM'S vision was a piece of glass and somone took a mallet to it and it then began to swirl as if liquid, but the pieces remained in triangular shards. Almost like a kaleidoscope, as the spin was the picture SWIM percieve rotating. SWIM started to lose a sense of self. SWIM started wondering where SWIM was and what the fuck was going on and then it wasx just wonder without the "SWIM" attatched to it. It felt like SWIM was slammed up against the edge of reality and for a moment standing next to the entire universe and all of time irrelivent. SWIM almost felt like SWIM was dead and even for a moment wondered if SWIM was, but the feeling would be more accurately describe as a "lack of existence"
Thats when the wierd shit began...LOL. Everything repeated itself. SWIM'S first expression when the intensity began hit was "HOLY COW!" then..."Ping!...Schawng!..." SWIM'S buddy interjected "Sheek!" and SWIM repeated..."HOLY COW!...PING!...Schwang!...Sheek!...HOLY COW!..." This cycle repeated itself in perfect timing always with SWIM'S buddy interjecting with the "Sheek!" probably 20-30 times. SWIM really lost count mostly because at first SWIM was so far gone that even SWIM'S vision was only a miniscule part of SWIM'S awareness. SWIM was definately "somewhere else." Every time it happened it felt like the first time without any awareness of the repetition. It was only much toward the end when SWIM felt like SWIM came back from that other place, was returned SWIM'S ego and SWIM'S visual perception (still experiencing the kaleidescope effect heavily) became prominant perception once again that SWIM became vaugely aware of the repetition. That repetition awareness was what guided me back to reality. SWIM had entirely forgotten where SWIM was, why SWIM was there, why SWIM was experiencing what SWIM was experiencing, and that SWIM'S buddy was still there. The repetition still going strong as ever only broke up when SWIM had answered all these questions (though SWIM'S understanding of the answers was vague at best). The pattern eventual broke when he didn't say "Sheek!" and though SWIM was still experiencing the kaleidescope moderately SWIM decided to try to stand up and walk around and realized that it was dangerous to do so and sat back down.
The reason it was dangerous to walk around was their location. They were in a factory that had been abandoned about thrity years ago and were on a loft with a 10 foot drop about 3 or 4 feet away from where They were at. Moreover there were holes in that floor that dropped into a basement. and the floor was cement. SWIM couldn't think of a better environemnt for the experience. SWIM never once felt any sense of fear. In fact most emotions had really gone out the window. Somehow the experience was extremely and profoundly spiritual. SWIM can't really pinpoint WHAT changed in me. Though SWIM can name MANY things about myself that are different as well as a general sense of empowerment that may have been awakened. However, the events in SWIM'S life surrounding the experience were ones of drastic change in SWIM'S sense of self desires, goals, paradigm, and many other things. SWIM wouldnt in any way attribute these changes directly to the Saliva, but SWIM would definately describe it as an integral part of them.
Another drug SWIM uses for spiritual purpose about as rarely as Salvia is DXM. SWIM read of someone using DXM+weed+Salvia and having a VERY powerful spiritual experience. SWIM am planning on trying this one day when the time is right. SWIM don't plan such things SWIM just do them when SWIM know the time is right. DXM is a long lasting chemical and the situation for using it is by nature difficult to come by by nature of this attribute. One of these days though...

So thats SWIM'S Salvia experience in a nutshell. All SWIM can really say is that it does take mental preparedness to handle drug experiences properly. Know thyself and have no fear.

Smash & Peace,
-D

Uncle Herschel wrote:
Perhaps They should try to clarify a little how They might speak of the abyss, at least in a traditional (or semi-traditional) context.

Here are some words concerning the Abyss from Bejamin Rowe, taken from his paper "Enochian Temples: Generating the 'Abyss' Experience with the Temple":

...

Depending on the degree of success, the magician may experience a variety of perceptions. At the least intense level, he may experience sensations of inexplicable "wrongness" and non-specific paranoia, or a sense of jittery energy like an overdose of methedrine. At a somewhat more intense level, he will experience a sense of his soul being ripped into extremely small pieces, while each piece is simultaneously being crushed to a point.

At full force, the experience then evolves into what can only be called the perception of voidness; the negation, the removal of any being or value from absolutely everything perceptible, both internal and external. The intensity of this voidness can not be adequately described. At this stage the paranoia sometimes returns, causing the magician to perceive the voidness as an all-consuming malevolent entity. Giving in to this paranoia, struggling to avoid being devoured, brings one on to the path of those whom Crowley calls the Black Brothers. If one does not struggle, that which perceives is itself absorbed into the void and another condition supervenes for which description is futile."

...

This describes SWIM'S Salvia experience in an uncannily odd way. SWIM tried to explain it originally as feeling 'dead' but shortley corrected this to be a 'lack of existence', 'time irrelivent', 'standing next to bhrama'. The meaning of the last one is a little hazy but 'god' just doesn't fit the coin. SWIM made a pretty detailed account of it back in OS on the Salvia thread. SWIM did not experience paranoia. However there are reasons for that such as mental preparedness, the 'fearless paradigm' as SWIM mentioned before, and other chemical experiences that have taught me how to avoid paranoia. Paranoia, or 'freaking out' is comonly reported by the unprepared users of this herb. But it was certainly without a doubt a sense of void. Not a tearing or crushing of the soul, but rather a dissiloution, or a 'fading away' of the ego and sense thereof.

SWIM'S life has significantly changed. SWIM conquered depression and related ergo before using this. Note that SWIM've done this without pharmies. The method, mental cajoling, and argument of myself by which SWIM have done this goes back to the fearless paradigm SWIM wrote. Interestingly enough SWIM did suffer a one week bout of extreme depression about three or four weeks later for about a week. It must also be factored that very extreme life circumstances were being piled on top of each other, summarily:

A cross country move, (*Midwest to West Coast)
Loss of the job attained herein,
Rejection from the lifelong friends SWIM had gone with/to see,
Homelessness (actually SWIM was camping pretty dang well and had plenty of cash...)
Inability to find & consume Marijuana,

SWIM had been using Marijuana medically as a treatment for SWIM'S Manic depression and had become dependant upon it despite the benefits SWIM had recieved. SWIM had been clearly abusing it beyond benefit. SWIM have used a handful of times since (that was about five months ago). It hasn't been the same experience at all. Once SWIM got over the psychological withdrawl, SWIM'S life seemed to become very peaceful yet busy. The homelessness never bothered me. SWIM understood its purpose. SWIM was to learn 'independance' among a multitude of things SWIM learned there as well.

This may or may not be related, it seems me to uncanny of a description not to be. SWIM certainly by no means am reccomending Salvia to anyone. It takes much research and mental preparedness to experience and use properly. And even then...nothing could prepare me.

[chrisn]

My dragon wrote up this paper about Salvia a while back, I've decided to post it here for him. It contains a collection of experiences and random advice, you can probably skip over the advice parts, but they may be helpful for a newbie.

My experience with Salvia divinorum started much like that of most curious teens. I remember one day my friend sending me a link to the blog of a student at Rice University, describing this student's ventures with the drug. I had never tried anything other than marijuana or alcohol, and the prospect of tripping interested me greatly. My scientific mind was fascinated by the drug, as it has a property that I've never heard of before nor thought was even possible. Salvia has a "reverse-tolerance" effect, which means that the more you use it, the less you need to get the same level of effects. This meant that it was basically impossible to become physically addicted to the drug. Also, Salvia's legal status made it a great candidate for my first psychedelic experience, so I soon decided to order some off the internet.

Lacking experience, I failed to do full research before placing my order. I paid for an ounce of dried Salvia leaves, and a gram of 5x Salvia extract, mainly because I did not want to spend too much money. I didn't realize that to actually trip with Salvia, you need a very concentrated form of it, because you need a lot of the active chemical in a short amount of time.

My first attempt was done with my friend, S, on my back porch. We packed a bowl of the dried leaves in my friend's small glass pipe and I took repeated hits off of it. Two more mistakes here. One needs very high temperatures to release the active ingredient in Salvia, and we used a regular lighter instead of a butane lighter. Also, it is recommended to use a water piece or a bong, as the smoke is very harsh. Despite all of these mistakes, the Salvia still affected me slightly. The sides of my vision turned into "arcs" that were particularly noticeable when I moved forward, as objects would appear to bounce past me instead of moving linearly. This effect dissipated quickly, and before I knew it I was back to normal. Unfortunately, we had to cut this experiment short as my parents were arriving home.

My second attempt was at a party, where a friend had brought 10x Salvia extract. I was already mildly tipsy and barely high, and we still were using a dry piece and a regular lighter. The only effects I noticed was a slight mood increase, and suddenly feeling a bit more drunk.

After doing a bit more research, I determined that it would be useless to smoke the dried leaves, but I read about another method of Salvia ingestion called a quid. This involved rolling up fresh Salvia leaves into large "quids" and putting them in one's mouth and chewing for about 20 minutes. This method would bring a longer and less intense trip than smoking. I also found out that I could supposedly reconstitute my dried leaves by soaking them in water. S and I met at the local park, and proceeded to put the "fresh" leaves in our mouths. Needless to say, this was pretty disgusting. The Salvia divinorum plant is related to spinach, but a bit more bitter. After wandering around for a while, we got sick of chewing on the now incredibly bitter pulp, and spit out the leaves. We tossed around a frisbee for a while, waiting for any effects, but none came. We went home disappointed.

About a month later I decided to try to put my 5x extract to use. I had bought what had been advertised as a butane lighter, but now I realize that it was probably misinformation from the convenience store clerk, as the lighter was only $2 and still made an orange flame. I also still was using a dry piece, but I wasn't looking for an intense experience, especially since I was by myself and did not have a sitter (this was a bad idea, and even though I did not have a problem myself, I would highly recommend against this). I packed the extract and took a few very long hits (it is advised that you hold in Salvia smoke for about 20-30 seconds for full effects). Needless to say, I did not experience a full Salvia trip. I did, however, experience some visual distortions. My hallucinations included seeing very large hexagons with many much smaller hexagonal patterns inside them over all of my walls. These quickly disappeared and I was not able to achieve any effects stronger than this.

About 5 months later, during my first semester of college, I decided I wanted a real Salvia experience with no more problems. I ordered 2 grams of 20x extract from a very reputable website. My friends C and M joined me, and we got a bong and a butane lighter. We had everything ready for a perfect Salvia experience. I let my friends go first. C took a giant hit and immediately reverted to a baby-like state. He got a giddy grin on his face, made noises and parts of words, pointed at nothing in the air, and laughed a lot. This lasted for a few minutes, until he finally seemed to come back to reality. He mentioned various things such as thinking he was in a jail, and other delusions I can't remember. Next, M tried. He immediately appeared similar to C, but began to look more and more distressed. He started yelling incomplete words very frantically and parts of sentences that sounded a lot like "make it stop!" Eventually we calmed him down and he came slowly back to reality as well. He described his trip much like being stuck in a bad dream. Finally it was my turn.

From reading various trip reports online about Salvia, I expected to see lots of cool patterns and be carried off to a different world, where I would do something crazy like communicate with aliens or have some sort of out-of-body experience. What I got was very different, but nonetheless satisfying my desire to trip on Salvia which had been building for almost a year. The first thing I noticed while holding in the bong hit that I took was that everything in my field of vision was being pushed to one side and twisted around. What happened after that I find difficult to explain. I immediately forgot everything that I ever knew in my life. I had no memory that I had taken a drug, I did not know what a drug was. I did not even know what I was. This confusion I experienced in all Salvia trips since, and it is certainly not a pleasant state of mind. I also find it difficult to describe what I was seeing. I did not experience any hallucinations--everything I saw was a distortion of what I would normally see, twisted, folded in upon itself, duplicated in various places. My mind was searching for answers, mainly to answer the question of what I was. I do not know how I came to this conclusion, but I eventually decided that I was a wall or a door or something of that nature. I had the intense desire to sit down at this point, but I was on the opposite side of the room from my bed. To get to my bed, I had to edge myself along the borders of my room, because walls or doors obviously cannot be in the center of the room. I finally made it to my bed, sat down, and watched as my vision slowly unfolded and the world regained normalcy.

This five-minute experience fascinated me, but as I described earlier, it was not quite what I was expecting, so I decided to do it again. C tried again before me, and had an interesting delusion that another friend of ours who was watching, T, was his ruler and he claimed that he would have done anything T requested, no matter how crazy. C also had hallucinations involving the colors red, blue, and yellow wiping across his vision, and felt like his face and skin was being pushed to one side, so much that he claimed it hurt. Soon enough, it was my turn again. I took my hit and made it to my bed quickly. This trip was again not at all what I was expecting, but very different than my previous one. Similar to the first trip, I immediately lost knowledge of everything. The first piece of knowledge I gained was that my entire field of vision was called a "plane of reality." Suddenly I saw millions of these planes of reality turned on their side and stacked on top of each other. My mind learned that all that happened in the world was that artists took these planes of reality, modified them slightly, and sold them for money. This frustrated me because the planes of reality were not really the artists' creations. However, soon enough the drug began to fade from my mind and I realized that the world was quite a bit different than my Salvia-induced delusion.

It was a month later, and I was home for winter break. After a night of driving around with my friends and smoking a lot of marijuana, someone brought up Salvia and we decided on the moment that we all wanted to trip. We went to about 6 gas stations to find a butane lighter, and dropped by my house to pick up the remainder of my 20x extract, and at about 3 in the morning, we were finally ready. I was the first to go. I remember taking a large hit from my bubbler, holding it in, and then nothing. I was a million miles from reality and everything was black. I immediately began zooming at incredible speeds towards what I eventually learned was reality, but I saw many interesting things on my way there. I knew nothing of what I was, but the first thing I saw was cartoonish caricatures of the faces of my friends S and Sh. I concluded that these were both objects called "friends." Not friends of me or anyone in particular, as my brain did not fully recall what a friend actually was, but I was filled with the intense desire to be one of them, the same thing they were, and was thoroughly saddened because I didn't think I was one. I continued zooming towards reality, and the world as I normally see it became slightly more clear. I saw a somewhat familiar scene. The world as I normally see it was folded in upon itself in fascinating ways, creating interesting compartments and patterns. Every object in the real world was a different sort of zone that gave me new and interesting sensations, but confused me greatly as to what the real world was. Continuing on my journey towards reality, I could now see my friends standing around me, but in front of that was a giant piece of paper with half-circle different-colored tabs where each person in real life was. This paper acted like a screen over my vision, showing the simplicity and interconnectedness of the world. This later seemed to me a good representation of humanity, a giant piece of paper, everyone attached to it but with their own unique color. I still did not know that I was human, but I noticed my friends laughing hysterically due to my unusual behavior. This was probably not the best setting, as this confused me further and I frantically uttered sentences like "what's going on?" and "I'm so confused!" My friends explained to me that I was tripping and I finally began to come close to reality. I tried to explain to them my delusion with the piece of paper, but after uttering only a few words, it suddenly seemed the most ridiculous idea in the world to me, and I gave up explaining and just laughed. I sat down on the couch and finally touched based with the world around me. I spent the rest of the night watching my other friends trip Salvia, and went home and slept, the most exhausted I'd been in a long time.

My experiences with Salvia were quite different than I expected—much more confusing and much less euphoric. However, they were still extremely worthwhile and fascinating to try and figure out after they were over. I am not sure if I will try Salvia again. I am definitely interested in new experiences, as I am sure they will be vastly different from the ones I have had, but due to the price of Salvia I do not think I will actively seek it out again. These descriptions by no means cover everything that happened during my Salvia trips because, similar to dreams, the brain makes it very difficult to remember everything that happened. I think that Salvia is a very interesting drug to try, and even if you don't enjoy your experience, it will still make an interesting story to tell and a worthwhile experience to have. My advice: don't make the same mistakes I did. Make sure to use a butane lighter, a water piece or bong, and at least 10-15x extract. Take a giant hit, and hold it in for 20-30 seconds. If it is strong enough, you won't even remember exhaling. And most importantly, be in a safe environment and have a sober sitter. There is no telling what your reaction will be to Salvia, and you don't want something bad to happen that will influence more legislators to try to make this fascinating and important drug criminalized.

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[shiva29]

Hello Im Jane, my friend swim, who I will call I. Has been researching Salvia thoroughly for a few weeks. I found your insight very helpfull. Reading all the posts on experiences, some very scary. It seems thost who do it alone or in an environment where you have a worry or concern is guiding the trip to be fearfull. Based on your advice, I is going to try first sample tonight I has a sitter coming over, I has own my place so no worries of interuptions.
I will let you all know my experience, and thankyou.

Incidently, I have been through some traumatic events in my life, and after some extreme soul searching one night lying on my bed. Not effected by any substances for months. Just an over whelming feeling of, if something was out there it better show itself cause I was losing hope. I am usually a positive and happy person (just went through lots a grief).

Anyhow I started rising really fast upwards but not into the sky, much further than that, my eyes where closed and I didnt try to open them as I had wanted to escape.
I felt/saw/became part of something so beautifull that was so extreme I cried but with sheer joy/sadness. Both at same time ?? I let go of so much sh@t. I slept like an angel......I have never been able to achieve it again and I have tried. But I never forgot it........only told one person that cause I dont suit straight jacket, hee hee. Saved me and still does, just the memory of it!
Salvia experiences seem to some, very similar, I looks forward to it with the upmost respect x

[Salvinorin A]

That's excellent the swiy had that kind of experience on Salvia. Try not to keep going for that one in particular because then swiy will miss the beauty in each of the Salvia trips that aren't like the "amazing" ones.

SWIM is glad swiy could see the good sides of Salvia.
Peace.
Sal-A

[laws0n]

SWIM went to his local smoke shop and saw "Salvia 10X Cherry"

He thought what the hell he might as well try it out for the weekend.

SWIM went home that night and was very curious, He decided to take a hit and hold it in for 20 seconds. SWIM noticed that he kept moving his body in a circular motion, almost like he was very dizzy. SWIM fealt like he was retarded. The objects on the dresser (cologne, deoderant) seemed to SWIM like he could grab them and they could help him stand up if he pulled, (supported his weight) SWIM went into a deep sleep and the effects slowly wained SWIM would say it took around 10-15min to feel completely normal

Party Time!! SWIM had a big party and had around 10 drinks in his system. SWIM took 2 hits of the same 10X cherry and held them in for 20 seconds, SWIM's friend asked his if he called his friend and SWIM bursted out laughing, like it was the funniest thing that has ever happened, SWIM's voice sounded like a girls. He didnt believe that his friend only asked him if he called his friend, it sounded way too funny to be that. SWIM went inside his house a minute later and someone said something else, and SWIM laughed as hard as he did before. SWIM's friend said that SWIM was "fucked up" and SWIM snapped right out of it and got very defensive saying "stop talking shit about me, if you did this you would laugh like a girl too" This was the 10 drinks talking. SWIM was able to snap out of it when he fealt like it.

Overall if SWIY is interested in trying it go for it, but start with a low numbered extract like 5X or 10X. SWIM found it interesting but definently not worth trying again. Salvia made SWIM feel retarted and there was little to no euphoria that SWIM was expecting. SWIM has no desire to try higher extracts either. SWIM is sticking to drinking and now smokes black n milds when drunk rather than Salvia 10X

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[moda00]

SWIM tried Salvia 10x extract, smoked, for the first time about 2 years ago. Swim was on a couch in a friend's bedroom with friend and another friend, T & A, and A took the first hit, about a half a standard glass pipe bowl full. Swim immediately took the pipe from him, loaded it up again, and took two deep hits. The immediate sensation/transition was extremely intense/abrupt. The room started to spin, kind of, and there were these waves/sections, moving from left to right. Swim tried to talk and couldn't coherently do so, but her words were physical entities, bubbling out in sections and moving from left to right with the rest of things. Swim kept trying to say, I see the words, but couldn't tell if it was coming out coherently. T later told swim she was yelling it really loud and seemed completely fascinated and tripped out. Felt gravity really strongly, seems a common effect- couldn't have gotten off the couch if swim tried to. Eventually swim and A came out of it, and T took a hit. He reacted really strangely- he jumped up in a panic and knocked over a soda on the table next to him. He was going to run upstairs- his room was in the basement of the house, and we had to put him back on the couch and remind him he'd smoked something. He was asking, what's going on? Am I real? And when we told him he'd smoked Salvia he was fine, he was like OHHHH and laughed and sat there for awhile in a daze. But it's definitely a good idea- no, imperative- that one has a sober sitter or take turns until one another has completely sobered up.

The second and last time swim tried it, about three months after the first experience, swim was alone in her bedroom in her parents' house. She remembers starting out laying on her bed and taking the hit, and then everything started pulling her down and to the side, as if pulling her comforter and her with it. Bob Marley was on her stereo, and the lyrics were slowed down, the tone lower than usual, and somewhat intimidating, as though the cd player was an entity dictating everything that was happening, and completely all knowing and in control ("god-like" if you will, although as one without religious belief or background this descriptor seems invalid to swim) She knew the words/music were dictating things and she didn't like it, and while she couldn't conceptually grasp that it was a cd in a cd player she knew that if she pushed the button (it was the power button) it would stop. But since the entity was all knowing, she was afraid it would be angry at her or that it knew what she was thinking of doing. The entity didn't feel evil, just so powerful it was overwhelming, and she couldn't really connect with it on any sort of intimate level. She was slowwwly (it felt) pulled across the bed and onto the floor, and had an immediate sensation- physically and visually- of continuing on across the floor and through the wall, through the different rooms and levels of the three story house she was in, and simultaneously being in the entire house, and being a part of it, and then pulled back and was once again contained in the room. Swim slowly crept towards the cd player and finally hit the power button, and the sound and controlling feeling stopped, and she stopped being pushed across the room. Eventually reality came back to some extent, and then swim felt very sexual (anyone else ever have this happen with Salvia?? Swim has had some wonderful sexual experiences with a long-time partner on lsd, but never felt sexually aroused on psilocybin mushrooms or DXM) Anywho, swim was alone but had a trusty vibrator, lol, and had a very intense orgasm which was accompanied by visualizations of the body and the orgasm itself, and then swim had to stop tripping out and go take a shower and get dressed for work.

Swim hasn't tried it again since, but is certainly open to it if and when it feels right- swim's attitude towards most such substances/experiences- when she feels a strong urge and a positive vibe about a particular substance, she knows it is the right time to experience and be taught by it- given that said substance is available, and that swim has an adequate set, setting, and time frame for the experience, whether the hour or so set aside for Salvia, or the full day required for mushrooms or lsd. Just swim's approach. And since swim now has her own dwelling, such experiences are much easier and more comfortable to orchestrate. Lol, being 18 and tripping balls in her parents' house- entertaining, but not the greatest idea. That all said, Salvia seems so abrupt compared to other psychedelic experiences- the experience is unique, but the transition to and from psychedelic space can be uncomfortably abrupt to someone like swim. And while it it touted as a benefit of Salvia, and which to some it is, swim almost prefers the more gradual transition and longer stay in the realm of other realities, as with more traditional psychedelics.

Peace,
Moda00

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Great report. Thanks for sharing. May want to edit "in MY parent's house"

[moda00]

Not sure how to edit my post (sorry, noob here, and I couldn't find a button- but it's kinda early for me, lol) but I just noticed your post, Euphoric- I had the same experience probably 25-35 minutes after a hit of 10x, my second tiem smoking it, so I wonder if it isn't something to do with salvinorin A and its chemical properties. Not a chemist by any means, but would be interested to hear if this has been common- now obviously if you're at a party you can't get all sexual, lol, but most of my psychedelic experiences have been alione or with my boyfriend. Anywho, peace out, and happy new year's a couple days early!!

Peace,
Moda00

[Leafteaner]

One of swim's more interesting salvia experiences...

I have transcribed his writing below, hence the first person narrative:


Dose : 1 large bowl packed with 15x extract and some ganja mixed in


Some friends and I were outside in the mountains in an empty stream bed. We had been smoking ganja throughout the day. My friend B decided to load me up a nice bowl of 15x in his new bubbler, and threw a small nug on top. He insisted on lighting it for me and pulled out his torch. I announced that I would cash the entire bowl in one hit and hold it as long as possible. This was of course a nice prelude toa ridiculous scene they were about to witness. I somehow managed to cash the bowl but I have no memory of how long I held it, I was instantaneously about 15 feet up the path bent over and laughing the hardest I've ever laughed in my life. I was told later that i stumbled up the path. Laughing is normally a great thing but this was unreal! No matter what i couldnt stop and it was so intense it was starting to hurt. I was salivating quite a bit but couldnt swallow because of the laughing, so I made an awful attemp to spit and failed horribly several times. After what seemed like an hour I finally stopped laughing and managed to sit down. It turns out the whole experience lasted about 10 minutes. After that it was nice, I had the usual crazy body high I get from salvia and just chilled out for another half hour or so and watched B go through pretty much the same thing.


I think the biggest mistake I made was taking a strong extract while standing. Laying down or sitting is definitely the way to go! I have had more profound experiences with salvia but this was easily one of the strangest for me.Edited by: Leafteaner

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[MushroomTrip]

Date: Earlier today


Dosage: One large bowl of salvia 10X, two hits, held the smoke inside each time about 25 - 30 seconds


The trip came out strong and instantaneous. I enetered another dimension..... right in my room. From the door came out gigantic crystals that looked like diamonds and formed many shapes....people shapes. And they started to move. They acted like they didn't see mne but i know they did. I thought that i should starttotalk to them and i did, i actually was able to make a sound, i was not able to speak words. One turned to me. I took him by the hand.... and i came back to reality. Pretty strange if you come to think that when i took the hits i was in my bed and when i came back i was in the bathroom in front of the mirror.

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[ambrosius]

Date: 4 or 5 months ago


Dosage: Unmeasured amount of enhanced leaves. Fit comfortably into a pipe.


I took the hit and leaned back on the couch. My brain became "noisy" much like on DXM only the noise was more along the lines of an auditorium full of people. I felt as if I was being pulled back somewhere, then I was convinced that the gateway to hell was under my desk and that I had slipped into a "Wonderland" dimension that looked exactly like the room I was in. I began to take control of my mind again and got up to go have a cigarette. I noticed that gravity had shifted about 45 degrees. I don't believe I got the full effects as I saw no CEV or OEV's. However, in retrospect the trip was very interesting and somewhat humorous.

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[_Lam]

These last 2 weeks I've done Salvia a lot of time. I don't want to share my experience because it's too complicated but I wanted to know if I'm the only one who react like this. It's really hard to explain. Hope some of you understand what I mean.

You actually see something but it fade away like a dream. After the trip I never really remember what I saw but few minute later it came back to me. Am I the only one ? It's like if you wake up and you are like : Wait, there was a train there ? But you don't really see the train but it's like if there's suppose to be something there that isn't there. And I never know where I am. If I'm in my room, I don't recognize it, I'm lost...

And sometime I don't even find the word to describe what I saw, that's really frustrating.
Someone understand what I mean ?

[thepieman1]

Originally Posted by _Lam

Someone understand what I mean ?

Yes, definitely. The problem here is usually referred to as having a hard time integrating the experience.

It's kind of weird, and it's sometimes more clearer than others (as told to me by SWIM). Its probably a good idea for one to do it in the pitch black so as not to have things interfere with the trip.

I think it must be similar to hypnagonic imagery which one sees when one is close to falling asleep, while trying to stay awake sometimes.

[_Lam]

Originally Posted by thepieman1

Yes, definitely. The problem here is usually referred to as having a hard time integrating the experience.

It's kind of weird, and it's sometimes more clearer than others. Its probably a good idea to do it in the pitch black so as not to have things interfere with the trip.

I think it must be similar to hypnagonic imagery which you see when you're close to falling asleep, while trying to stay awake sometimes.

Great to see that you understand what I said.
Also, my friend did Salvia and both of the time she couldn't remember what she did, like if she fall asleep. That's kinda scary don't you think ? Is it normal, because it never happenned to me.

[thepieman1]

Sounds like she might be hitting level 6, the amnesiac level, where you forget the experience, but you can still sleepwalk and stuff during it.

If not, she should still try smoking a bit less and trying the lower levels.

[wedgebuckets]

The first time swim tried Salvia was with a couple of buddies, they got some 40x from the local high times, when they got it at first they were disappointed because of the tiny ammount that they had paid 40 bucks for. Swim had just bought a nice glass bong, so they decided that they'd all try it, and than go into the mall. they did not do very much, because when they had bought it the guy who ran the high tiimes told them a story of him shitting his pants after doing Salvia. After we walked in the mall they just could not stop laughing, they were walking right behind a huge group of peolpe just cracking up histarically, and mostly everyone around was starting at them. This first time didnt do much except for give them all the giggles. later on that night, at swims house they deicded to do the rest, but only one of my friends felt anything, and they actually said they saw swim put his arm through his wall!

Wanting to have an experience like this swim went back to the local high times, and decided to purchase a higher extract - it was either 60x or 80x, i think it was only 60 because when swim asked if they had anything higher the guy told him that he would not recommend anythhing higher. Anyways, at home and with a bunch of friends swim packed a huge bowl( 1/4 g or more) and swim punched it in one and continued holding it in.

swim doesnt rememeber blowing the hoot out, because while holding the hoot in everything just started spinning for swim, time was stuck in place, and the same thing kept happening over and over again, and there was on way to stop it. After what seemed like an eternity, swim started coming back to normal, and soon found out that he was fucked up for about 5-10 mins.

SWim's friends say that he was holding the hoot in with a huge smile on my face, than all of a sudden the smile disappeared and swim did a face plant out of my chair directly onto the floor.

Although the buzz was enjoyable, i dont think that i would like to do Salvia as strong as that again, because you really have no control over your body in that kind of state, and who knows what you could do in that kind of state.

all in all this was a pretty good experience, and i think everyone should try a high potency Salvia at least once.

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[thepieman1]

Originally Posted by wedgebuckets

all in all this was a pretty good experience, and i think everyone should try a high potency salvia at least once.

Depends what you mean by high potency.

I mean you can have a lvl 5 trip on 5X if you try hard enough. SWIM has had them on 15X.

[informer_]

A story about a friend

Originally Posted by A story about a friend

I Brought 40x today (thinking about it now that wasn'tvery smart) this was my second time of trying salvia, This time it put me off totally, as i used my bong and took a bowl, it hit me 20 seconds later, and i totally lost control of everything, my whole life flashed past me in photograph and i had to pick the image that i was in now or my life would be copmpletely different, in between picking i looked at my friend and just said "Dont worry im just going crazy, but ill be ok" which to him was incredibly funny, back to my trip, basically i was just in a totally black place, photograths were shooting past at it seemed like 200mph, and i tried to grab the 1 which was the present so i cud stop the trip and be normal but as i grabbed it it just slipped out my hands, i felt an imense feeling of sadness, and aparently started running round my house sayin present, it did gradually ware off but im now scared to try it again lol


salvia just makes you think about how and why were here, maybe if i had picked a diff moment in my life while on the trip would i off gone there, it is very mind boggling gave me a lot to think about.

[thepieman1]

SWIM recently obtained 1g of 20X standardised extract. He had actually ordered 15x but was not disappointed to find he had been mistakenly upgraded (or perhaps the 15x was out of stock).

He also purchased a bottle bong adaptor, which is basically a small rubber cork with a plastic, flexible, tube coming from it as well as a metal bowl with a tube which extends downwards which is placed into a beer bottle half-filled with water to convert it into a bong/hookah type gubbins.

He sat on the edge of his bed and loaded a smallish bowl of the 20x (slightly smaller than he usually had with 15x).

He smoked it with a disposable lighter (not sure of the usual American term for this) and burnt his thumb slightly but successfully inhaled the entire thing.

It had been several months since swim had smoked salvia but he had since been smoking other substances more frequently so was more comfortable with the smoke.

As he was opening the window to blow out the smoke he gradually began to feel as if there was an invisible barrier along the wall, and even if he managed to open the window he wouldn't be able to get through.

Despite this he mechanically opened the window, leaned out, exhaled, closed it, and lay down on the bed.

The effects came on very suddenly after this. The most important effect was the headspace he was suddenly plunged into. Most of this feeling is now forgotten and was indescribable anyway.

There were two rooms very similar to his adacent to the room, and he began to feel as if there were rooms stretching out in both directions forever, and as if these rooms were actually paralell universes, each containing alter-ego's of himself - some of whom were female (although this wasn't distinct and has only been made sense of after the fact).

He felt as if he was having some sort of conversation with these alter ego's, although none of the actual words have been remembered. He also at times felt like he was back in his old room hundreds of miles away in his parents house.

The entire experience was overwhelming him, and he began to thing "no, way, this is not happening!", and started to try to grab the walls and call out.

Eventually as the major effects subsided he got out of bed and stood up and tried to orientate himself.

However he was still tripping majorly and look down and said "shit!" in disveleif. Then something about the word seemed to have rythmic quality but no usual meaning, and caused him to do a kind of tribal arm-movment dance chanting "shit, shit, shit, shit" (lol).

He still felt pretty trippy for about 1/2 an hour afterwards and has rated it lvl-4 on the salvia scale.

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[0ctavarium]

Swim had his third Salvia trip recently, 10x extract.
The first two times Swim had not broken through, the first time he felt a simple relaxation feeling and fractal-vision. The second time he saw the walls pulsing, but didn't have much.

So now, the third trip:

Swim was at his house with three other friends. Swim didn't want to do anymore of his Salvia because he thought it was worthless since he had not broken through anywhere yet. However, as he watched one of his friends do it, he wanted to try again. So after his friend came down, Swim sat down on the corner of his bed and took a nice hit. Then two more. At first SWIM was convinced that nothing was happening and that Salvia was a waste of money. Then, SWIM kept waiting, and after about 30 seconds he stretched out his arms. He couldn't put them back. His friend tried to put them back to place, but SWIM subconsciously resisted. Then all of a sudden he just put them back to normal. The feeling was that he was attached to the bed with chains and broke them. SWIM started drifting into some magical place inside the wall. He could feel his mind being pulled in, and he helplessly watched his body in 3rd person, his friends calmly watching. He watched his body. His body looked like it was being attacked by his friends. One of his friends had a striped hat on his head. The colors from the hat were now his facial color. Swim drifted back into his body and yelled at his friend to ask him what was wrong with his face. There was a mask on the floor and swim looked at it. He then saw the mask on the face of one of his other friends. The friend moved his arm quickly and it looked like the friend had thousands of arms. Now SWIM wanted to go back to the place inside the wall. He tried to concentrate his will, and he saw a door but he couldnt step through. He asked his friends to open the door and they said there was no door. Swim was sad that he couldn't go back to the other world. He wanted to venture further into the blackness. Swim came to the realization that he won't be able to, and tried to make the best of his trip. He looked at a Dark Side of the Moon poster on the wall, and it was glowing. The rainbow came out of the wall and was in front of him. He then tried to reach out and touch it, but it dissapeared quickly. Swim started seeing the mask faces again. Only this time they were in the air, and very blurry. He got scared and tried to go through the wall again. Swim's friends went to hold him down, and the thought of being attacked by them came back. He started kicking with his feet and hit one of his friends in the jaw. Then his friends finally held him down, and just like that, he was back to near-normal.

Swim hopes to try this again, but try hard to stay in the other world this time.

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Bizarre, thanks for sharing.