Experiences - Salvia Divinorum Experiences

[axiomcrux]

Originally Posted by Swimmortal

Indeed. I got an infraction my first few days here for not using SWIM for medicinal cannabis. Always use SWIM or an equivalent, no matter what.

Cannabis is mostly illegal, the difference is that salvia is mostly legal, and is only now becoming illegal. Big difference.

SWIMs never going to try again, ever, it was the worst time of SWIMs life and I cant picture it ever being any hair of fun. and I fully disagree with "these are things that are already inside someone" because SWIM has done TONS of different kinds of psychedelics, hundreds of times and never had a bad trip. The time in SWIMS life when SWIM tried, life was generally great, and there was no underlying issues that would be bothering him. I look at videos on youtube of people doing salvia, and it seems like the people who have fun on it are either female (they always seem to laugh), or maybe it has something to do with allergies/blood type, who knows, I just know Ive seen people have a blast or a terrible time, and it seems to be pretty consistently good or bad for the person. Ive talked to many people and generally it seems like its an interesting but terrifying and uncomfortable experience. I would say anyone who hasn't tried it should never try it , and I and my friends will continue to promote that nobody use this awful plant. Honestly if anything the government should keep this legal to turn people off of drugs, cause if SWIM had tried this as a youngster before trying anything else, Im sure he would have been terrified to try anything else ever. In fact the moment SWIM came to from his experience he said, IM NEVER GOING TO DO ANY DRUGS AGAIN!!!"

I don't feel like we should get in trouble for saying I rather then swim, in the end it can't get anyone else in trouble, only the person saying I. (especially for something thats legal in the majority of the world.)

[Swimmortal]

Originally Posted by axiomcrux

Cannabis is mostly illegal, the difference is that salvia is mostly legal, and is only now becoming illegal. Big difference.

SWIMs never going to try again, ever, it was the worst time of SWIMs life and I cant picture it ever being any hair of fun. and I fully disagree with "these are things that are already inside someone" because SWIM has done TONS of different kinds of psychedelics, hundreds of times and never had a bad trip. The time in SWIMS life when SWIM tried, life was generally great, and there was no underlying issues that would be bothering him. I look at videos on youtube of people doing salvia, and it seems like the people who have fun on it are either female (they always seem to laugh), or maybe it has something to do with allergies/blood type, who knows, I just know Ive seen people have a blast or a terrible time, and it seems to be pretty consistently good or bad for the person. Ive talked to many people and generally it seems like its an interesting but terrifying and uncomfortable experience. I would say anyone who hasn't tried it should never try it , and I and my friends will continue to promote that nobody use this awful plant. Honestly if anything the government should keep this legal to turn people off of drugs, cause if SWIM had tried this as a youngster before trying anything else, Im sure he would have been terrified to try anything else ever. In fact the moment SWIM came to from his experience he said, IM NEVER GOING TO DO ANY DRUGS AGAIN!!!"

I don't feel like we should get in trouble for saying I rather then swim, in the end it can't get anyone else in trouble, only the person saying I. (especially for something thats legal in the majority of the world.)

I think that's a terrible idea. Everyone has different experiences on salvia, and SWIY is turning everyone off a potentially enlightening experience. Tell SWIY to let people do as they please as long as they do it right.

And why would SWIY want people to get turned off of drugs? If anything the government is spreading even more ignorance by keeping drugs illegal, instead of informing the population about the potential health benefits and health risks.

[RaverHippie]

The description may sound terrible but experiences can sound bad but be ultimately intensely rewarding. SWIM has found salvia only to be introspective, calming, and slightly therapeutic and has enjoyed each use with the drug.

[Swimmortal]

Haha yes SWIM would be a bad example but he has asked around as well and has seen that certain types of people do in fact get something positive out of Salvia - visuals that SWIM would never have even dreamed of. SWIM personally prefers chewing salvia leaves, as the come up is less intense and one has more time to reflect on what is actually going on. SWIM does not mean to be condescending, as he agrees with most of what you are saying, but he told me that he doesn't think SWIY should boycott any drug unless it were extremely harmful - such as DPH, datura, etc. As hard as it may be to see from SWIM and SWIY's trip reports, salvia can have an incredible amount of potential when used properly.

[axiomcrux]

Originally Posted by Swimmortal

visuals that SWIM would never have even dreamed of. salvia can have an incredible amount of potential when used properly.

Agreed, I can see that it has potential, however, SWIM has had similar but immesurably better and more amazing experiences on DMT, has SWIY ever tried DMT? SWIM thinks DMT is like salvia in alot of respects, only insanely better.

Even SWIMS friends that have had great experiences on salvia, have had equally terrible or worse experiences, and in the end if your less then breaking even on good/bad, I think its not worth it, simple business logic.

SWIM has seen some people have pretty intensly bad trips on acid, and at the end of the day those people end up doing LSD again, because they have had much more good then bad.

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Im curious, do most people have this pokey, I am covered in cactus prickle feeling, as well as gravity vortex?

[Swimmortal]

Originally Posted by axiomcrux

Agreed, I can see that it has potential, however, SWIM has had similar but immesurably better and more amazing experiences on DMT, has SWIY ever tried DMT? SWIM thinks DMT is like salvia in alot of respects, only insanely better.

Unfortunately, no. SWIM is doing everything in his power to get ahold of some, however, and is just waiting for the mimosa shipment to arrive before he begins.

Im curious, do most people have this pokey, I am covered in cactus prickle feeling, as well as gravity vortex?

Oh ya, my dog even posted about that on this forum. Quite the uncomfortable side-effect, although not everyone seems to have it.

[DividedReality]

Originally Posted by axiomcrux

Im curious, do most people have this pokey, I am covered in cactus prickle feeling, as well as gravity vortex?

Swim feels both during a breakthrough, but only the "prickle" feeling with lighter doses. Swim does not find the prickle uncomforatble though, just remind yourself that you just had some salvia, and if you smoked the right amount, you'll stop feeling it alltogether has you break through.
Usally he has a sense of falling, although sometimes he flys around
Swim remembers some trips where he would fall away from the room he was in, and it would soon just look like a wall of amazing moving parts and colors, and then he relizes, that it's his preception of reality that he is leaving behind, not the room.

[losd]

Lulu Godiva sent me this account of her first experience with salvia. I thought it was interesting enough to post here.

We are in Dorcas' dimly lit room. We have constructed two gravity bongs out of 2L soda bottles. I am going first. I fill one bong and inhale the smoke in several large gulps. I'm already dizzy as I exhale the last of it. It comes on incredibly fast. I am taking off like a rocket. I am being pulled away. Dorcas tries to hand me the second bong. "No, I'm already high." My voice shakes. Already I don't know what I said. This is going too fast. I lie down, and cease to exist.

What's happening? Where am I? Who am I? What am I?

Then there are no words. There are no thoughts. There is no identity. There is no time. There is only an infinite energy field, in which I am a mere point, undefined and indistinguishable from all other points. Except, to say "I am a point" is incorrect, because there is no "I", no independent point with its own perspective. Nothing is separate, all points are one, infinitely small and large, united in an infinite energy field, into which me, myself, and I have fully merged. I have never been anywhere else, or anything else. This is all that has ever been and ever will be, and it is all happening at once.

The return starts abruptly, in wordless flashes of memory and realization.

First: I exist separately. I am a discrete entity. I am an "I". This would have been a mind-blowing realization, had my mind not already been exploded all over infinity.

Next: I am a human being. Not the words "human being," just the concept. I am a creature with a body and a mind.

I regain the concept of time, and become aware of its passage. But trying to sense how much time is passing would be impossible, as I have no point of reference and no concept of units of time.

My name - Lulu. I am Lulu. More bits and pieces of my identity. I am a young female. Again, the words "I am a young female" do not go through my mind, it is more like the knowledge silently reappears in my consciousness. These are the basic elements of my identity that are always with me, even in my strangest dreams. During normal life I am constantly aware of these things without ever thinking about them. Now, as I return to myself, I become aware of them as though for the first time.

I inhale sharply. I am reconnected to my body. It breathes and feels.

The room in which my body lies begins strobing in and out of my vision (Dorcas would later tell me my eyes were wide open the whole time, staring fixedly into nothing). One second I see the light of the infinite energy field, the next I see the ceiling and the posters on the wall. I know I'm in a place, but I don't know where or why.

The strobing gradually slows and begins to favor the room. I turn my head and see Dorcas. Who's that? Oh yes, that's Dorcas. I recognize her room. "You're ok," she whispers. I stare at her uncomprehendingly. Nothing makes sense. Language is coming back to me but I cannot form coherent thoughts. It's all images and impressions, with unattached words floating about.

Rational thought is coming back. I remember that I took a drug. That explains a lot. I remember what happened right before I was blasted into infinity.

Over the next 20 minutes the rest of it comes back to me, the details of my life, my knowledge of the world, everything. Familiar patterns of thought return, and I recognize these as my personality. I am finally able to speak to Dorcas and tell her what happened. Dorcas tells me I was completely gone for 10-15 minutes, and for another 5-10 minutes I just lay there looking around with an amazed, confused, terrified look on my face. It was during this time that she had tried to talk to me, and I wasn't able to respond. I am still very high at this point, with intense geometric OEVs, bodyload, and swirling thoughts, though compared to what just happened, being based in reality at all is as good as being sober. Still, I make Dorcas wait another 30 minutes before taking her turn with the salvia, because I am still too high to be her ground control.

All together, the experience lasted over an hour, and I was still not at baseline when I went to sleep a few hours after that. For the next week it was all I could think about, trying to integrate the trip and understand what happened.

I've had dozens of subsequent salvia experiences, but this remains the most intense. I believe it was a solid level 5. There may be a few reasons why I've never been able to reach this level again. First, fear. The experience was overwhelming. My ego did not like being destroyed, so it resists being destroyed again. I went into this experience innocent, with no expectations, knowing very little about salvia. Obviously I can never go into it with that mindset again. Physical reasons may also play a role. I was a regular smoker then, so my lungs were better able to handle harsh smoke. Since quitting cigarettes, and later quitting cannabis, my lungs have become more sensitive. I would like to experience this state again, even though my ego is afraid. But if I never do, that's ok also. I feel priviledged to have experienced it even once.

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[RaverHippie]

SWIM gets pulled down to the earth whenever he breaks through with Salvia. He feels thoroughly dissociated from his body so he never remembers there being any physical discomfort.

SWIM feels the comparison to DMT isn't fair due to the relative ease at which people can get salvia compared to the process of acquiring DMT / extracting DMT.

[eggman256]

ok swim was wanting to try salvia so swims dad came over with some 15x swims dad being cautious only put a smidgen in a corncob pipe ,swim hits it hold it in feels a trobbing sensation but nothing more and tells swims dad nothing is happening and to stopbeing so greedy with it and maybe he could feel something off of it.i also said it may be the pipe is to deep, so he rises the screen almost to the top so it is just deep enough for 1 good hit.swims dad put more in the pipe this time and hands it to swim. then swim hits it as hard as he can.swims dad kept saying hold it ....holdit...swim started to feel like his heart was throbbing in his neck and his eyes felt like they were vibrating.he then exhales.he says "nothing" and as he says this the next room turns into a vortex that is sucking him in to it then he looks down at the corncob pipe and i dont know if it was the fact the pipe was symetrical but this other reality was emerging out from the mouth piece.his arm becomes a part of the couch beside him.he looks at his dad and his dads beard looks like it it intertwined with the room around him. tripping out bad he reaches for his lighter cause he thought a cigarette would calm him down but is scared if he picks up the lighter his hand would become merged with the table.he felt like he was a characture in a book that was being closed and once the book closed he would be the person closing the book or just no longer exist.it was like swim was thinking several thoughts at once.when he began to come down he just said "that was heavy" and "I dont know if i will do that again"the following week be bought some.

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i believe this sheperdess you speak of to be your subcontious. swim have had a simular vision but instead of volantarily going there swim was pulled to that place by the right and left hemispheres of his brain ,once there he became part of it and it a part of him.not only did they bring swim there swim brought them here as well.and now swim is with them as they are with swim. if indeed there are levels to salvia surely swim is on level four at this point.but there is yet another level.where swim becomes aware that it is he who is the divine creator of both places.and the place swim is now is with another far more divine creator who he and the others have pulled there.yet this divine being is drawn back into a void leaving a statement for swim to ponder " it isn't your time yet."

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[bendidyourmom]

One of my lab monkey's has concluded his experiments with Salvia and gave me the following report:


My First Experience...

Alright, about a month ago I first began experimenting with Salvia Divinorum. I bought a little container of 5X Extract Purple Sticky Salvia from a Local Head shop. Late one Saturday night I tried it out. I got out my Water Bong and Torch Lighter and took a pinch of the Salvia from the container and stuffed it in my bong. I took a first hit and noticed no difference so I quickly took another hit making sure to hold it in as long as possible. Nothing had happened still so I took my third hit, I don’t remember exhaling the smoke from this hit, the last thing I remembered was taking in the smoke, looking at my wall, which at this point was spinning, quickly putting away the bong, lighter and salvia, and sitting down on my couch. Everywhere I looked was spinning and beginning to become distorted, it’s very hard to describe. My arms looked like they were growing as they spun over my head, and everywhere I looked was spinning. However, I was not getting dizzy. It was a very pleasant experience; I wasn’t scared at all because I knew I was tripping hard. When things weren’t spinning as quick I got up and walked to my bed, as I walked I noticed it felt like walking through wet sand at a beach, like my feet were very heavy and sinking into the floor. I felt a bit off balance, like I was leaning to the side but that was only because everything was still slowly spinning, and still distorting a bit. So, a laid down in my bed, I felt great, very euphoric. I laid down and I noticed the wall paper began to glow, and then stop glowing and start up again, by this time the spinning and distortion had stopped taking place. I heard a Police Siren go by somewhere nearby, the sound trailed for a long time, though I knew the car had travelled too far to still be audible, the sound was just repeating itself in my head. By now the effects were diminishing, I noticed how sweaty I had become, and looked at my hand that still had little bits of Salvia Extract on them. All in all, it was a good trip for my first time using Salvia Divinorum.

Here was a Picture to Help Describe the Experience.

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[Koira]

Hi everyone.

SWIM just told me about his 2 first ever attempts with Salvia Divinorum. He also told me it's his first try on any psychoactive substance.

SWIM was on a nice spot in the middle of the forest with his bong and salvia divinorum leaf. He took his first hits. He says the smoke was quite hard to keep in as he's not a smoker but he managed to do it without coughing...atleast not much coughing. Then SWIM starts feeling dizzy, he takes a comfortable position and closes his eyes. He doesn't see anything but somehow he sees images in his mind. He's floating in darkness...gravity is coming from behind his back so he feels he's floating on his back but he doesn't feel anything under his back so he must be floating in air. There's something out of sight in around 11 a clock. He doesn't see anything but feels it's just outside of his vision...soon he notices that he's begging for that something to show up and to his suprise he says "Please mother" He begs this "mother" for awhile before he opens his eyes and sees he's sitting in the forest...he still sees the bong in his hand but he doesn't realize it's him who's holding the bong. He just sees hand holding a bong. Though he realizes that he is sitting in the forest. He closes his eyes again and finds himself floating in the darkness again...he opens his eyes soon again and the experience is over.

SWIM thinks this experience for awhile and decides to try again. He feels the familiar dizzyness again and closes his eyes. Again he doesn't see anything of this..only image in his mind. He's trying to get to a field with someone. SWIM doesn't know who the one who's with him is...there is just someone. Anyway swim tries to get on this green field with this someone but for some reason it's difficult. SWIM's not sure if there's fence around it or some other kind of obstacle. SWIM and this someone just have difficulties to get on this field. SWIM also feels that it's forbidden to go on this field....not strictly forbidden...but littlebit like mum tells her children not to eat cookies. Then SWIM opens his eyes and the experience is over.

SWIM plans to experiment with Salvia more as he liked these experiences quite much and he wants to learn more what this great plant has to give.

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[02kJU9ii]

Thanks for sharing SWIYs experience with us Koira; the more SWIM hears about bong use as opposed to pipe use the more SWIM considers that using a bong will be more effective. SWIM will find out this evening during Salvia Experiment #4 and the report will follow probably tomorrow.

This post does raise an interesting point. SWIM is aware that being in a forest, particularly at night, will heighten the senses considerably more than if one was in the comfort of their own home. SWIM wonders if there is benefit in taking himself outside his comfort zone and trying Salvia in such an environment that may even promote a visionary state.

SWIM would be interested to hear if anyone has an opinion on this.

[Salvinorin A]

This is mostly swim's opinion, salvia is different for everyone.

Salvia is probably the most powerful hallucinogen that swim knows of....for swim, at high doses, it doesn't matter what surroundings swim is in, swim always goes somewhere else, and can't really recognize what he's seeing.

SWIM always found nature to be useful for psychedelics more than salvia; however, it's a worthy experiment. Make sure swiy is safe.....night+forest may be a little sketchy. If swiy does have a strong trip (especially a first one), anything could happen...involving getting up and tripping up over a root or something.

In general it's best to know what to expect (which is hard since salvia is so unpredictable).

Be careful,
Sal-A

[aBakes]

SWIM has learned that salvia should only be enjoyed in an intimate setting. SWIM was with a few friends and when he started to trip he began feeling overwhelmed as they were trying to talk to him and stuff. SWIM recommends trying it with 1, maybe 2, friends. SWIM will try it again under these circumstances and hopefully have a good experience

[thepieman1]

SWIM told me recently about one of his most recent lvl 5 experences.

He went into a big deserted feild on a hill out of the view of most artificial things (except a some brokn fences).

He smoked a large (for him - which isn't really very much probably) hit of 15x salvia and held for as long as he could in a very small acrylic bong (12cm high) using a jet flame lighter.

As he put the bong down (still holding the bong) he felt the same effects he is used to, and could just feel that this was likely to be a very strong expereince.

He lay back on the grass and exhaled.

The next thing he knew he had entered a very strange reality indeed (with not much recollection of the old one).

The entire reality was made up of a massive grid of variously coloured pain pots, with the lids facing upwards so that a group of paint pots a certain colour would be an "object" in the world.

There were various disconnected points in this trip, much like in a dream where one might suddenly find themselves in another time or place halfway through the dream without realising it.

At one point he remebers being/seeing a small child (made of paint pots) being pulled out of a toy/sweet shop by his mother.

Later on, he remebers being with freinds, but at the beggining of this bit, it was like he was the freinds (hope this isn't an indication of mild schizophrenia). He remebers the people being baisically simple humanoid stick figure shapes made out of paint pots, in blue, red, green and yellow colours.

At the beggining of this part also, he says the people were linked physically as well, like a jigsaw, there was no space between the people.

Again they were pulling him in a certain direction (as he began to take mostly the place of the red person).

He then started to feel the first recollections of reality, but only enough to tell him that where he was wasn't real. He tried to convince the people with him of this and tried to pull them back into the other direction because it wasn't real.

This happened for a while, then as he began to remember more, he began to laugh because he had realised that he was being fruitless by pulling them in the other direction, because it was just as much an illusion as the direction they were trying to go in.

The feeling of laughing on salvia, he says, is like nothing else (this was the first time he had experienced this). It's like the entire universe is laughing with him.

At this point he began to wonder how he should try to return to reality. Eventually he gave up and just started to wait and trying to convince the people with him that it wasn't real, until they eventually faded away.

As he began to see the real world, he still felt that he had realised the world wasn't real. He felt as if the universe was just playing a trick on him by pretending to be real or important (this is probably a manifestation of some eastern religeons he was learing about from the Alan Watts podcast).

He heard a cuckoo calling and started to laugh and even made the cuckoo noise mockingly, as if to tell the universe, "you're not fooling anyone with that".

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[clevelandhippie1]

Me and my friend bought some 35x off the internet a few weeks ago, and smoked it a few days ago. we were in a vacant house behind my parent's (mind im only 14). we had made a bong out of a vase hot glue and a metal pipe. we live out in the country so getting caught was not a worry. Now we had smoked before but I had just learned from youtube it only works if you hold it in, which is not entirly true if you don't hold it in you get what we call the tugs and the sweats, where you feel like you are being pulled to the ground and you sweat. so we take turns sitting for one another. My friend takes the first hit holds it in and start lauing and hitting his head into the ground. He latter describes to me that a magical catipiller named Catty tells him to go into a pipe where he sees a psychedelic green swirl within. After this all my douts are gone about this stuff being real or not. I take a big anough hit that it hurts my lungs. I feel like im going to cough but just breath in without breathing out. I hold it in till I feel li8ke my lungs are about to burst (my friend later told me it was about 30 seconds). I begin to see things walking up the ceilling fade in and at first I think I must just be seeing things but then they become much more vivid. The things are lime green cartoon aligators with turtle shells in one collem ant a cartoon train in the outher. Then the train kind of morphs into snakes which over time morph into the alligators. This seems to take at least an hour but juging on the langth of the trip and the portion of time this seemed to take I think it must have been only two minutes at the most. I look up and follow the percession up the ceilling all the time I hear them saying what sounds like salvia done. As I look further back behind where I am sitting (I am sitting up against the wall) The World swoops over me. The alligators were square in a way I can't possibly explain. The dominent color in this world is pink, but there are aqua blues, lime greens as well. I notice nw that I am standing on a boat made entirely of these square alligators (The boat is a tall ship with a big mast and every thing). I look out and streching for a milg in every direction I realize we are in an orb made entirly of these alligators that are continuisly moving. I look back and there is a 100 or more foot tall woman wearing a deep red dress with wight stars on it (I can tell she is the queen of these alligators). She is looking and watching over me. Then without warning all hallucinations are gone and the world with no inanimate objacts has disappeard. I say woah a whole bunch of times and me and my friend discus what just happened. Now I am a pretty strong Catholic but for a day or two after that I believed Alice (the queen) was god and the animate world was heavan but now I am finally coming back to my normal believes. I loved the trip and would recomend it to any one who is, an intellectual, looking for enlightment, or looking for a spiritual conection or broudend horisans.

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I forgot to say that the only things I had done before were alchoal and nitrous oxide

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I forgot to say that the only things I had done before were alchoal and nitrous oxide

[Panthers007]

1. You are in direct violation of the rules against self-incrimination.

2. It won't matter in a few minutes as you are underage as well. Bye-bye!

[purplehaze]

Kind of interesting thought that even a 14 YO gets the presence of a woman watching over them on salvia. Alot of people do, Maybe it's there mother that everyone is thinking about, but not sure. Still interesting though.

[Madre]

SWIM came home with Salvia tonight- 20x extract. She gets home and realizes that all of her glass pieces are at a friends house being stored there due to an incident that had happened a few weeks earlier which required immediate evacuation of paraphernalia. She goes to get the pieces only to find out that not only had the pipe-foster parent not only taken some of them out and used them, but one of his roommates took a few to his girlfriends house! Then she comes to find that one actually had been broken!

..But anyway, she gets home, checks to make sure she got all of her smoking materials back, and picks out one of her little bongs named "Jesus." her friends gather in the living room and first one roommate took a hit. He gets super confused, saying the room feels like it's closing, he chuckles a bit, then goes silent and very disoriented-looking. According to him, while this was happening the room started rotating and he could feel it. He says the room appeared to be an object in reality and that he was falling off of it. He tried to say "we're on the corner" but he wasn't moving his tongue so they couldn't understand him. He tried to stand a few times but couldn't, and was leaning on other people on the futon unable to really sit up properly on his own. The whole thing was him feeling like he was falling off a corner of reality, and his roommates were on other corners of reality separate of his own. SWIM was laughing the whole time, finding him very amusing considering she'd never seen anyone on a salvia trip and he was confused by the laughing during it because he couldn't figure out what the noise was.

After the show her roommate had put on, SWIM was nervous about doing it but she loaded another hit and smoked it, hit it, and laid down. Right as she started to feel it she said "ok I'm going to talk my way through this- I already feel strange." her cat jumped up onto her stomach and started "making biscuits" she said she felt heavy, and that it felt like her insides were being crushed by the cat and immediately burst into laughter and couldn't stop for a while. Her body then felt segmented into 3 parts, and they felt disconnected from each other. She has to make a deliberate conscious thought to move her legs, and she remarked that when she did move, she felt like a robot- very jerky and rigid, unlike the smooth motions she is accustomed to being human Color from pictures and curtains on the walls started blending with the surrounding white of the walls almost as if her idea of them being separate from each other had disappeared and they were one only because she forgot they were different.

Her anxiety about making rent and bills this month became apparent and she started to feel pretty sad and couldn't snap herself out of it or relax. She went into her room and got naked because she felt like she was drowning in sweat, and got under the covers for a while to rest. It was a bit too taxing for the short length of the experience for her liking- though she is glad it is short-lived.

She says she was expecting more chaos than she experienced, and was almost hoping for the frightening confusion her roommate had. She tells me that it was an interesting experience that she'll try again until the gram she purchased runs out, but she won't pay for it anymore after this.

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[purplehaze]

@madre, phaze finds that when you start sweating the trip isnt that good. It happens sometimes, not really sure why, but during a good trip on salvia no sweat was apparent for phaze.

[fiveleggedrat]

Swim had a euphoric trip where he "sat" in two "worlds", and it was VERY enjoyable. Sweating was profuse, especially at the end.

Swim's friend had a far more visual, intense, "gone" trip in another world, which she enjoyed greatly. She sweat profusely too.

Just wanted to mention in regards to sweating


Swim'll never end up being fascinated how different people get such RADICALLY different effects with different substances.

[Madre]

Originally Posted by purplehaze

@madre, phaze finds that when you start sweating the trip isnt that good. It happens sometimes, not really sure why, but during a good trip on salvia no sweat was apparent for phaze.

SWIM told me she tried it once more and during this experience on it she was totally disconnected from reality. There was a point where her best friend was looking her in the face (according to him) and he was asking her how she felt and she was looking "through" him. She just didn't know what objects were around her anymore- the 3 people with her blended in with the environment. She got up and was trying to find something that she recognized and didn't find anything so she sat back down in the chair she started in to try to relax, though shortly after she became aware of the saliva that had accumulated in her mouth and felt again like she was drowning. As soon as this happened reality set back into place, though.

It's pretty interesting. She's still trying to piece together everything that occured =D

[tyrus568]

SWIM's first attempts on salvia:

SWIM had heard about it in the mid-90's but dropped it from his mind as basically unavailable. A few days ago SWIM happened to look on a popular auction site and saw it, so ordered some from random people there. First was a 1/4" square piece of blotter claimed to have been soaked in 60mg sally. SWIM placed this under his tongue and played with it in his mouth for an hour and never got any effects at all.

Second was three grams of ordinary leaf, received in the mail. SWIM hurriedly tried it yesterday evening alone and with family that didn't know what he was doing basically in the next room, and SWIM hadn't read that many experiences and only had a basic idea of what it would be like - and he was entirely wrong!

SWIM doesn't have a bong or pipe right now so he made an impromptu one out of a coke can, punching a bunch of tiny holes in it with a sharp knife. SWIM was in a garage with a window ac unit running; it was across the room from him. He loaded the bowl of the can with at least a tenth of the bag, or between .3 and .4 grams, most likely. The leaves were paper-thin and dry as hell. SWIM had an amount in the bowl he couldn't possibly take in one hit; now he knows to only put enough in to take a single hit from, with extra on the side to replace if no effects happen.

SWIM used a normal bic lighter and sent it blazing over the golf ball-sized pile and inhaled as hard as possible, sending the entire mess into a ball of glowing intensity. SWIM smokes cigarettes and weed habitually so he took as big a hit as he could hold yet still didn't finish the bowl. He held it for about 20-25 seconds, then lit the bowl again and finished it.

SWIM is sensitive to nearly all drugs (overreactions to weed; dxm; morphine and other opiates). Before he exhaled the second hit there was a blankness that took over his mind. An unidentifiable amount of time passed in which he was not aware (less than ten seconds, probably more like 3-5 seconds). When he came to any sort of awareness he was not sure where, who or what was going on except that he had a big piece of metal very close to his face and it had nasty ashes all in it.

Discarding this, he heard a woman's voice (heard?) saying something. He can't recall exactly what was said but it was along the lines of, "You finally made it, I've been waiting for you! Welcome," and this was repeated a couple of times, or something similar.

SWIM noticed he was standing and covered in thick sweat. He was leaning to his left side and it was obviously against a very powerful wind blowing from his right. He could see the lines of force within this wind flowing from his right to his left and he was bracing himself to not get swept away by the continuous wind. He looked across the room and saw that the air conditioning unit was melting. Rather, there was a multi-colored sweat-like substance flowing along the bottom corner of the unit, gathering on the left side, against the wind.

SWIM looked down at himself and noticed that there were multi-colored waves passing through his being, in the direction of the wind. It was then that SWIM began to realize what exactly was going on after he stepped into the nearby doorway and was hanging onto the frame and trying to figure out if he was crazy, dead, or what.

These events probably took about two minutes. The reassembling of SWIM's pieces into a coherent unit probably took another 20-30 minutes before he felt himself capable of feeling like he was back. An afterglow of a pretty nice body high prevailed for the next ~2 hours. 18 hours later SWIM was thinking about the experience and placing himself back there in his mind's eye and could feel the effects rising in himself in a sort of flashback.

This sounds like sensitivity. SWIM's read the 11 pages of this thread and now has an idea of the different experiences everyone has with each other, but this seems like a lot to expect on two pipe hits of non-fortified leaf.

SWIM thinks he'll try it again tonight under more tightly controlled conditions and with a stronger clarity of his objectives. The entire experience was quite terrifying and SWIM did panic for a bit, but it was all okay in the end. An amazing change in perception, but not entertaining.

Reputation Comments on this post:

	Vrey nice report.
	good tr
	Very interesting report. Thank you.

[passer-by]

Similar to what fiveleggedrat said, SWIM also had an experience of sitting in two worlds. It's described as follows:

Dose: 3 "can bowls"
Duration of experience: approx. 2 hours
Ambiance: Contemporary jazz music; night-time; in car; cool summer evening

SWIM and his buddy drove out to a semi-secluded area to smoke the salvia. The size of the bowl called for the first hitter to get the best hit, and the second person not so good of a hit. On the first bowl SWIM got the "true" hit, followed by 1 or 2 smaller ones, but the only thing that happened was a body high, and changes in train of thought. After that seemed to wear-off SWIM and his friend decided to make another bowl, expecting the same thing to occur, but less powerful, noting the tolerance factor.

SWIM got the first hit again, held it for a little while, and that was the beginning of his first open-eyed hallucination. He saw an etheric "blanket" start to move from the top-right corner of the windshield slowly (SWIM was passenger), but he knew it wasn't just something he was seeing, but experiencing with all his senses. The closer it got to the radio in the center of the car, the more the jazz sounded different. The way it sounded cannot be expressed with this writer's vocabulary. It was soon that SWIM realized that this "blanket" was another reality, even though he sensed that from the start. But what he didn't realize right away was that there was a feminine, (not female), presence on the edge of the ether, as if being the driving force of it, provoking him to let this reality encompass his consciousness. He got glimpses of what that reality would be like, very different from ours, but it surely wasn't Candyland. SWIM remembers visioning musical notes, in colors he can't remember, and an ever distant "landscape" within this world. He remembers sensing a world of Creativeness.

This "world" came as far over his windshield view as to split the window almost in half, if more; the "creative world" was as far as the radio in the center. At this moment the jazz was as construed as ever, like nothing SWIM has ever heard; being his first hallucination he had already had enough, and was tired of this persistent, but friendly presence encouraging him to enter fully this indescribable awareness. He figured the jazz was how this thing was communicating with him, as if somehow speaking through the creative patterns associated with that genre of music. So, he tried turning off the radio, pressing almost every button besides the power button, quite repeatedly, in panic; his friend had to do it for him while tauntingly noting that SWIM had used that radio a thousand times without any trouble, (SWIM is "good" with electronics). When the music was gone, the vision was still there, but decreasing slowly back to where it had come.

"What the fuck!" was his phrase of choice during this whole experience, and afterward he kept asking his friend, "Did you see that?!" "Did you feel that?" "That jazz was different, wasn't it?." "Did you see her?" "She was right there!"

Reputation Comments on this post:

	Thanks for the report.
	good tr