Experiences - Salvia Divinorum Experiences

[Embalming]

Originally Posted by Alfa

Please post your experiences / trip reports here. Please note the dosage, onset, peak and duration if possible. Try to describe the experience as complete as possible.

Please do not self-incriminate; do not post experiences in the first-person. See the rules and forum FAQ for more information.

Try to keep banter down to a minimum, and keep this thread focused on actual experiences and relevant commentary. Thank you!

[RiderOnTheStorm]

My pet bunny has been reading DF with me and had this to say:

Damn man, I just had my first real trip on salvia a few hours ago. And I'm still really high from smoking weed. A friend of mine and I smoked a ton of weed and got really messed up, then brought out some salvia and smoked several bowls. Unlike the first few times I'd tried, this time it really hit me. It came on fairly quickly and I pretty much lost touch with reality. I forgot my name, my friend's name, simple terms and concepts, and even where I was and what things looked like. And I can't even begin to describe the visual hallucinations I saw, partly because they faded away like I dream after I came down, and partly because they're beyond anything words could convey.I was taken to another universe where no object was the same as the object here which it resembled (I was looking at my own stuff and it was like I just knew somehow that it was totally different), engulfed into swirling colors and distorted images--something like a strange revelation of the energy behind things we see in this universe. My friend was a stranger to me and I couldn't really see him even though he was still him and I was looking right at him. Time was meaningless. It was as if every second was a thousand years and the time went by incredibly fast and incredibly slow at the same time. I felt as though I had all knowledge and yet knew nothing at all. It was one huge contradiction that was perfectly logically coherent. This is a pretty typical experience from what I've read on the net about people's experiences. I'm still a bit on the afterglow of salvia while I'm typing this, plus I'm still really stoned, so I may not make a lot of sense. But I just wanted to say that salvia is definitely a fun, must-try experience--I recommend it to all.

Morning update: I'm pretty disoriented and scatterbrained, and very forgetful. I don't remember much of what happened last night. I can function just fine, however. I think you're right, brokenarrow_48: that was a very high level three or low to mid level four. I don't think I've ever tripped that hard; I usually just stick to weed. But I'm becoming more and more interested in psychadelics. I'm remembering some things from last night that I didn't mention though. Maybe I didn't remember them then. My friend was asking me what I was seeing, and after I came down he asked me what I saw, but I couldn’t tell him because it was too far removed from this universe to verbalize.

[THC_1138]

I know exactly what you mean, the last time my monkey tripped with salvia was about a year ago on 10x ! He felt at one with everything for a microsecond that seemed to go on forever, he saw reality within reality, and became fused with the wall on his girlfriend monkey's bed,. Next hit was soooooo much more powerful than the one taken thirty or so minutes before, i think there is maybe some cummulative factor with salvia, gravity is actually felt for what it is in my opinion. This is not a recreational drug at this strength in my opinion, maybe the leaf or at a push 5x, it's also quite sensible to only hit 0.1g at a time, any more and it can get very scary indeed!


But on the flip side, if used with a little respect and care it can be great fun (lets face it, if it wasn't my monkey would never have done it twice!).

Stay cool.

[markdahman]

Well im not sure the level i was at or anythign but ill describe exacly what happend! I got some free salvia 5x extract and then i was really hyped and i was on the phone wiht my girlfriend and she hates my drug habit so i waied till we got off the phone before i smoked it. So igot my bucket bong/gravity bong ready while im on the phone then she hs to go so i smile and tell her by. I pack about 1/15 of a gram in my bucket i herd thsi stuff burns at a high temperature but i just used matches <img border="0" src= "smileys/smiley3.gif"> so i lit it and got it brewed downed the whole thing and held it in. I sat back whne i realised 2 hits are btter then one! So then i still holding it in and i start to pack another hit in but almost twice the size f the last one. Exhale brew another hit as i exhale take 2 breaths of air exhale all the air fomr my lungs and start to take the second hit in!

Heres where my trip starts... As im inhaling the second hit i get 3/4 te way done it and then it felt liek a head rush when u stand up two fast and then my vision got a lil blurry and everythign was dark. so i left 1/4 of the hit in the bucket and sit down still holding the second hit in! And then i stand up and exhale. I BURST OUT LAUGHING! Like one fo those really big trippy weed buzzes! So i walk around my room laughing for i dont know how long! I sit down on the computer and then realsie that computers suck after 2 seconds of being on it! So then i realised the peek was going away and i looked down and my hands where completly sweaty and i go upstairs and sit on the couch and my moms sitting beside me and every time i look at her she looks different and i start to laugh real hard! So then i tell her that she shhould try some salvia and then shes liek whats that i tell her its nothing and i was joking and i realised shes anti-drug! so then i come down stairs and slowly see swirls as my normal vision start to return! its been 40 mins and now my vision is still really dark and its SUPER hard to spell! (im doing my best<img border="0" src= "smileys/smiley14.gif">) Hehe what a lovely experience it looks like i still got another few trips to go with my gram! But now im freezing cold... i tried to do another bucket when i started to come down but nohting but darker vision and another lil laugh session but not half as good as my first one!

**NOTE this is my first salvia trip! Im planning on smoking more but when would they effect work again seeing as they didnt the second time i tried!?

I had previously read a lot about salvia and everything I did read did not lead me to believe the experience would be very intense if I used regular leaves. So I ordered 10 grams of regular leaves from an online vendor. I and three of my friends were going to try the substance and since I was the one that had made payment for the leaves I had the honor of being the test subject. I sat down on the couch and filled up the bong; I cleared the bowl with one hit and gave it to my friend to refill it while I was holding in the smoke. When I exhaled the first hit I immediately took another one from the refilled bong. As I sat there holding in the second hit I started to feel kind of funny. Then my friend said "Yooo his pupils are dilating". I exhaled the second hit; this was the last thing I remembered clearly. All of the sudden I found myself in a complete dream state with no sense of self or of the world around me and no recollection of how I got this way or what I was like before I inhaled this substance. My three friends were standing over me but I didn't recognize who or what they were, then they became elongated and faded away to my peripheral vision. The TV was on and the walls and floor were multicolored. Then all of the sudden I realized I had dreamt this exact same scene before. Then there is only the TV and I felt like I was moving towards it. At this point I exclaimedrather loudly"Holy shit this is my dream". Then I started to come down from the peak, this felt like waking up from the most peaceful sleep. During the come down the roomwas moving back and forth very rapidlyand I heard the most ear piecing sound, like metal doors repeatedly closing and I feel an intense pressure through out my body, the intensity of the pressure, the movement of the room, and the ear piercing noise all coincided with each other (when the room would moveadoor would slam and the pressure would spike). I was very shocked during the coming down it took me a couple of minutes to remember where I was and what I had just done to make me feel this way. The whole experience felt like less then a minute to me but later my friend told me I had been completely incoherent for close to ten minutes. My friendshad tried talking to me during my trip and even handed me a Snapple bottle which I just threw on the floor, I have no recollection of any of that. Besides the awful come down it was a verygood experience. My three friends each took a couple of bong hits after I had recuperated but theysaid they only felt slight disorientation and dizziness and were coherent the entire time. I think I might have an especially low tolerance to salvia andsmoked it the most efficiently out of my friends.Also now i have no recollection of having this dream before my salvia experience but at the time i could of sworn that i had, whether i had this thought because i was under the influence of a very strong substance or icould only remember the dream because of that substance i don't know. But that paticular part of the trip left me slightly unnerved.

[Salivamaybe]

Last night, I decided it was time to try it for the first time. I kept hearing all the stuff about how you need a sitter, did I listen no! Do you need one? Yes you do! I made a Cheap Water Bong, worked on it all day, made sure it would do what it was supposed to. Ok I took the one hit, held in for almost 40 seconds, the second, almost 40, and I thought nothing is happening???? Then I took the 3rd hit, OMG I was being pushed from side to side, like a presence was there, demanding That I lay down so I did, I noticed Sounds and Colors amplified but not Visions, then I tried getting up, wasnt happening! Then a few minutes went by, and I noticed for the next few minutes things had changed, and Then BAM! IT WAS GONE?? wow, My mistake for the first time, Is I was trying to smoke it like weed, NOT A GOOD IDEA, am getting an order shipped to me next week! BUT WITH THE RESPECT, THEY ALL TALK ABOUT.

[kharnda]

Just joined the forum here and felt like i should give a description of my greatest salvia trip. Well my roomie and I split a gram of 15x that we purchased from a local head shop. I had smoked the leaves before and they didn't really do much. When we got back to my place I decided to smoke out of a 2' glass waterpipe that I had. I packed half the gram in and fired up the butane torch. Inhale....inhale...inhale...hold. I was sitting in a meditative position so that i could try to stay somewhat coherant... exhale. I got two fresh breaths and then I was gone. I was in a HUGE field of waving long grass and was running forward. I kept running and eventually after what seemed like a good deal of time came upon a road that had a, again, HUGE wall on the far side. I felt compelled to inspect the wall because the texture was nothing like what I had seen before. I get closer and closer...then i start to come back to reality and realize that i'm staring at my roommates leg and that the wall that i saw extending into eternity was actually his jeans. The total experience lasted 15-20 but I felt extremely disoriented and "dreamy" for nearly 40 min. I asked my room mate what happened and he said that i went nuts. From what i did it scared him away, so he decided not to try it. So...I packed the last half of gram and went at it again. Dont remember anything from the second except feeling extremely hot and sweaty and ... wierd i guess. No way to describe it. Well, there she be.

[maxx]

Yesterday I went to a local smoke shop to pick up a bag of 10x salvia. When I picked it up, I was a bit disappointed at the amount you get for roughly 20 bucks. It came in a dimebag, half filled with what looked like crumbs of the shittiest weed on the planet. So driving home I really questioned if this stuff would work. I felt very skeptical about my purchase.

An hour later I decided it was time to give it a quick try. I pulled out a butane lighter and i made a small pipe from tin foil (so what, I'm a cheap bastard) to hit it with. I didn't think this bag would get me high, so I decided to pack a full bowl. I had my girlfriend and her sister watch over me since this would be my first real experience. I hit the pipe, held the hit in for aobut 20 seconds, then blew it out. I waited for about 5 more then lifted the pip for another hit. As I was taking my second rip, I started to feel a bit spacey. Once that hit was over, I turned and looked at my girlfriend and said "Holy shit I'm so fucked up". That is that last I remembered of the trip until about 5 minutes later my memories of the experience started to come back to me. I remember after that, my perspective shifted to over to the wall where my girlfriend was and all I saw was my head floating with the pipe in my mouth. Then the room flipped upside down (my perspective was upside down also). I stumbled onto the bed, unaware I dropped everything in my hands including a burning pipe and just collapsed on the bed. My girlfriend really didn't want me to try this stuff, so she stormed off upstairs upset at me after seeing how fucked I was. This caused me to be completely confused with what was going on. Suddenly, I couldnt see straight at all and I kept calling for everyone even though my girlfriend's sister and her little brother were sitting right there. All I could really see were blue lines and block patterns. I ran up the stairs to find my girlfriend when things started coming down a bit. I noticed I was very irritated by everything and even started yelling at my girlfriend for leaving me after I was tripping really hard. It was probably the weirdest drug I have ever tried.

So what I really have to say is: If you ever buy salvia 10x or above, PLEASE USE WITH CAUTION. Have a sitter, and try to take one hit first, then wait atleast 20 seconds. It should hit you pretty hard. Also make sure you have a sitter, this is a must. If I left the burning pipe on the bed I could have set the house on fire. And for those of you looking to find a legal high, I wouldn't suggest this for getting "high." The intense feeling of gravity scared me at first, and then came the visual distortion. You do not a high, you trip almost uncontrollably. Please be careful out there.

Cliffnotes: was skeptical, tripped out after 2 hits, should have waited til the first kicked in, got irratable, BE CAREFUL!!!

[crOOk]

I've had 2 breakthroughs with plain leave material, one on a shroom comedown, one after rolls. Both extremely terrifying. I didn't remember shit.

Well, today I tried smoking the Salvinorin A. 2.5mg, 2h later 10mg. First time was nasty and annoying, no breakthrough.

Second time wasn't a real breakthrough either... But she was definitely present. There was a fence in my room and I could feel her passing by behind the fence with another guy, leaving me behind. I felt rejected by her. Then the laughing started for 2min and it left me with the twisted Salvia feeling all over. Nasty. I'll try 5mg again through a
bong, maybe on the weekend.

Btw I smoked it on tin foil and heated it at a very high (!) temperature. I was holding the smoke in as long as I could, which was nasty as well.

[scyrusurcys]

Be prepared to hear about a bad experience. It went as follows:

~12:40AM, June 16, 2005.

I had decided to try Salvia tonight. The main reason being that I when I took my garbage-can to the road, I caught a whiff of the minty-aroma that Salvia stores and took this as a hint. I went up to my room, got all the essentials for a Salvia smoke, and had only one dim light on in my room. I put my laptop to play Nitrogen by Juno Reactor, as always. I crumbled some of the new plain leaf that I had received. and lit it up. About 20 seconds in, I started to feel the slight buzz of Salvia. I decided to try out the Standardized 6x this time, as the Non-Standardized 10x had done nothing before. I took about 1/6th of a gram and put it in the bowl, lit it, and inhaled.

Wham! ----------No, really . . . WHAM!!!

I don’t remember even exhaling the smoke from my lungs. The feeling was so sudden, and so confusing, that I had lost track of who I was, where I was, and what the hell I was doing. I looked down in front of me at my supplies I had used to smoke with. My vision was faint and dim like the reverberation effect when a video camera is pointed at a blank TV screen, but the supplies (lighter, bong, Salvia, trash bag) I could see seemed like they were 10 feet apart from each other. I tried to realize what the purpose of this trip was, but the feeling and “quest” had already engulfed me; I was to put back all my credentials in their appropriate spot in a certain amount of time. Why? I have NO idea. It was like something or someone would find them and punish me for having them (i.e. my mother or sister). ] So I sat there, DAZED as ALL HELL, holding my bong in my hand, trying to figure out what it was that I was holding. Reality came in for a split second. . . just long enough to say “It’s a BONG!” So I got up, still dazed and confused to eternity, and wobbled over to my bed with the bag of leaves that I smoked in one hand and my bong in the other. These items were supposed to go in my dresser and my desk – on the OTHER side of the room. I had NO idea what I was doing or where I was going. So I finally made it to my desk and put the leaves in safely, then went over to my dresser and hid my bong. The whole time, the music was playing, and it did nothing other than scare the living shit out of me – the beat and noise it made was very frightening and deceiving. I don’t know of any other way to put it.

I picked up the rest of the things that needed placing back. Again, still dazed out of my mind. I couldn’t see straight for the life of me and I was beginning to panic. [[I’ve never been drunk (only buzzed) but from what I’ve experienced with alcohol, I don’t think you could get any more “drunk” feeling than this.] The feeling I had was worse than fear. It was a feeling of never coming back to my real self. At that moment, I realized just how much I missed reality and being “normal”. This “Salvia” feeling was not to my liking . . . at ALL. The feeling that this would never end was in the back of my head the whole time, but I kep telling myself that it would be over soon, and that it had already been a few minutes since I had inhaled the smoke.

I panicked even more. My head felt like it had been filled with lead. It also felt like part of my brain (possibly even my mind) was extending out of my ears, like it was trying to expand (funny, huh?). I felt like I wasn’t in my body. It resembled the feeling of being at the point of asleep and awake at the same time. I could SEE what I was doing, but I wasn’t exactly CONTROLLING it. Everything that I did was out of sheer habit, and nothing more. I had no mind to guide my body and tell it what to do, and I was scared shitless that this feeling would never end. I took a few deep breaths and drank some water to try and calm myself down (myself = my mind that I couldn’t control). I went downstairs and outside to try and get some fresh air. I was stumbling around aimlessly on my porch thrusting my body back and forth to get some air into my lungs as if it were the first time I had tried the little technique of “breathing”. My cat was on the rim of my pool, in which he quickly sprang forth towards me and ran his body on the side of my leg. I went around the corner of my house where my dog was barking uncontrollably and tried to whistle for her to come back near the house. Instead of a whistle that came out of my mouth, I made the noise “Shhhh!”. . .Odd.

I went back inside, still panicking to get rid of this “non-existing” feeling now, and went back upstairs to take a shower. I managed to set towels out and turn the faucet on a decent temperature for the water. I jumped in, and splashed water all over my face trying to wake myself up from this nightmare it had become. I managed to clean myself, only asking controversial questions like if I had washed my hair yet, but not remembering a thing that I had done 20 seconds ago. I peaked out of the curtains at my sink to see if I might be coming down from all of this, but as I saw all of the colors and light from my sink look as if a sunburst had appeared in my bathroom, I decided to stay in the shower a bit longer to see if the later might help to wake me. – What seemed 10 minutes later, I stepped out, with still a very euphoric-like feeling, got dressed, and went back into my room which had become a horror scene in my mind from what had happened in the last 30 minutes. All of the fear I had was still with me. I could have broken down and cried from the agony that my mind had weighed upon me. The feeling of this “fear” was similar to the feeling of being so utterly and dreadfully bored to the point that you just “give up” on finding something to do and feel like doing nothing else but dieing for a moment. Although it may have been that feeling, multiplied by about 5.

About 10-15 minutes later, I had made up my mind that the feeling WAS going to pass, after all. It had come down quite a bit since taking a shower, now that I had realized it. I just hoped that I wouldn’t have to interact with any of my late-night family members that might be wandering the house. I decided to interact with a game on my downstairs’ computer, instead. I always got myself engulfed by the game, wasting hours of enjoyment playing, so I decided that this would probably be my best bet at losing some time to release me of this prison I was in. About 30 minutes passed, and I looked around in the kitchen at my surroundings. They all seemed very still and quiet, and more importantly, I was back to myself again.

I sat there for a few minutes, trying to recollect what all had happened to me in the past hour or so, but couldn’t even comprehend the fact that everything that happened in that 1 hour time period seemed like 5 minutes. And now, I am writing this report, informing you that it will be a loooooong time before I embark on another journey with Salvia. I think this was her fair warning of telling me that I am not quite ready – and I don’t plan on arguing with something that can throw me for a complete loop in my existence. Maybe a later day.

Thank you for taking the time to read this.

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[ritualkiller]

Wham is right.

I posted this in another forum, before I noticed this one, but what the hell.

It's not very detailed but I was still kinda shakey from the trip.


I had never done salvia before, decided to try it. I read a little about it and bought some 5x from the local headshop, because it was all I could afford. I admit, I'd been reading about it and I was very skeptical of it's affects, I would've started on the most potent if I could've afforded it. Yes, I am an idiot and im glad I didnt. This shit is beyond fucking whacko.


Anyway, I broke my pipe earlier so I made a ghetto pipe with a mountain dew can, and smoke a bit of it with a bic lighter.

..Nothing, well maybe a little floaty feeling but that was about it.

I almost gave up, but I figured ah what the hell the floaty feeling was okay so I smoked a little more, still nothing.

At this point I didnt even care about the salvia I was too busy listening to music, I'm a music guy, It's kind of a sexual thing, I get into it.


Now people I know Im not a smart guy I wasn't paying attention to how much salvia I was smoking, I think I put about a 4th of a gram on bowl, and switched to a torch lighter. I took one hit, before I could even exhale I felt myself falling. The lady that sings on the song "once more" by the Orb began talking to me, this really freaked me out. I didnt know what the fuck was going on I forgot about the salvia. My house, the way I moved everything was different. I knew it was my house but it wasn't my house. I kept forgetting who and where I was, all I could do is say "What the fuck is going on, where am I!? Is this real?!"


I don't get scared easily, folks. but I almost shat my pants, I ran around my house like a chicken with it's head cut off.

Know what you're doing people, don't give yourselves a heart attack.


And the bic lighters may work but the torch is what really does it.

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Good accounting of experience

[pcon]

TO EMBALMING: maybe the gravity pulls are our souls actually leaving our bodies? maybe that salvia fires so many neurons in our brain (the hot feeling) and our energy vibrates at such a higher frequency that our souls "escape". the visuals on "my dear sweet lady" are nothing like anything else. its not like you hallucinate things, you actually go places. ive been carried in a basket to a native american village where i felt the fire and smelled the corn. i could smell the tobacco burning in the the natives pipe. it was absoulutely amazing. and i also had them tell me that it was time to go. i said i dont want to and they told me i had to and carried be back to my body in my bedroom.

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ery interesting theory about souls

[paradies]

I thought I'd post a couple of recent experiences I had with Salvia.


I should let you know first off that I have quite a few years of experience with altering substances. I've never understood folks who take things just "to get off." I've always approached taking substances with full respect and with the intention of growth and insight and remembering who I truly am. I have some fairly extensive experiences in "going places" that aren't in our everyday reality. I used LSD a bunch of times years ago...I'd "practice" and learn how to go farther and farther away while being just fine with it...while also being able to find my way back to where I'd left my body. Iused to do combinations of LSD and Shrooms. I found this to be a terrific combo. In short, I practiced letting go and receiving vs. having the ego get freaked. And it was all purposeful practice...very purposeful.


I posted the following postto another forum dealing with Salvia to show folks there, who were struggling with Salvia, that you can choose, with intention, the type of experience you have...or at least thedirection of the trajectory and the feel of the experience, vs. just doing it and having random or defaultexperiences. I know lots of people go from, "I'm a Salvia hardhead, this stuff is bogus," to "holy shit...I scared the crap out of myself."


When people freak, I really think it is because what they experienced is SO different than what they are used to the ego just goes nuts...it can't make the jump in simply allowing so itgoes totally spastic. When some experience is so utterly different than anything a person has ever dreamed of or imagined, the ego will even "check out" completely. That is when folks can't remember really what happened, but do have a feeling it was totally beyond weird.


Having said all that, here is one experience I had a few days ago...I'll post a follow up experience after that.


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Yesterday afternoon I decided to invite the Shepardessto guide and show. I took one tiny hit of 5X. I was sitting comfortably...no music...no distractions...just open intent...calm openess. I put the pipe down and the familiar feeling of the Shepardess was coming upon me.

I walked over to look out the big windows in my house that overlook the land and the creek. Big picture windows cover the entire south side of the house. Then, without any rushing energy, without any concern, without feeling I was being pulled or forced anywhere...I dissolved out through the windows as the house dissolved away behind me. The house was gone...just matter that slipped away into energy...it wasn't needed now. I was completely outside and completely merging with the land. The feeling was, of course, sublime and nurturing...very pleasing. My physical body was now energy merging with the energy of the plants and land around me.

The land where I live is very beautiful...and has many spirits...benevelent spirits. The entire land welcomed me and took me in...drank me in as I did the same in return. I had only feelings of gratitude and appreciation. So sweet the Shepardess was to blend me with the world of earth and plants. All cohesive and all in harmony...all one. So green and alive and full of healing energy. It helped me and I added to it...telling the earth I am with you and I will always be with you.

The last tether I had...and chose to have...with the home my body was in that had completely dissolved out of my existence...was the smallest feeling of the soles of my feet touching the floor. I'd pre-decided to have that be so. I had decided to have that tiny teather...and the Shepardess agreed...so that I could easily return to where I'd left. After what was truly not in time, but by the clock, I'm sure,was no more than 10 minutes, I decided to integrate back into my body...and the Shepardess agreed that itshould be so.

I thanked the spirits and the land and the plants for letting me merge completely with all that is. I thanked them for the loving opportunity to remember who I truly am. I always do remember who I am...and everything is very happy to guide me to the rememberence.

The feeling of physical slowly came back from my feet up my legs and up through my body. As I emerged from the land and plants back into my body...the feeling of dis-intermingling was delicious...it was healing...I could feel my lungs being cleansed and strengthened and my body strong and sure...I was changed...for the better. The house slowly came back into existence from behind me...through my peripheral vision and then surrounded me in front. I was inside my home again. I was back in the illusion of the physical...and it felt funny and impermanent and a bit pithy. I laughed a quiet happy laugh of gratitued for the grace of life and the Shepardess' loving, tender embrace and guidance. So sweet...so gentle.

So, you see...no "rush,"no paranoia, no fear or concern...just peaceful surrender and the intention of it being so.

I can't tell you enough about INTENT and the importance of INTENT. You don't need any specific intent to simply "get off" on Salvia. But, you do need clear, conscious intention to have the mostwonderful, healingand blessed experience. You must know the ego will fight...if you let it. You must chose to surrender peacefully and easily...and then your ego won't fight. Your ego will agree...and die for a while.

So then, you won't have an experience wherein you don't really know what the hell is going on...or you get paranoid...or can't understand anything you are seeing or thinking. You will have an experience of complete, eternal bliss.

You will remember who you really are...and always will be. You will remember what you are when you aren't partially focused in your body, as you are now. You will know the difference between "believing" and "knowing." And I know.

And I want you to know...you can be shaman, but you must change your dream. And you can do things you think aren't possible...butthey are.And you can do magic. Change your dream...change your thoughts. Change your experience.

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[paradies]

Now here is another experience I had the day after the experience I just posted prior to this post. Again, keep in mind I am writing these on another list to help folks struggling with Salvia. AND, as you'll note, I only took one tiny hit of 5X in each case. Reverse tolerance definitely happens with Salvia. Very good!


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I took a very tiny single hit of 5X Salvia today. I had such a wonderful and loving experience yesterday with one tiny single hit that Iknew it would bewise to follow that experience with another one today.

This time I sat on my couch and looked out the windows of my home over looking the creek and land beyond. Today is the day after the longest day of the year, so the light of the sun is white-yellow and the shadows short. It is the high time of the cycle...full and rich...all the growth is at its zenith...proud and luxurious. Sweet.

As happened yesterday, with my intention to surrender to the journey the Shepherdess had for me, I gently entered her space...no rush, pull, push or difficulty whatsoever. I immediately went to what is referred to as "level three" on the scale of one to four that is used to "rate" Salvia experiences.

This time, somethingspecial and funhappened. Actually, I always expect and know somethinggreat will happen. I was instantly melting...blendingwith the land and plants...losing my body all the time to the blending. Spirits of the land and plantsbecame awareof me right away...

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From this point on in this post, the only way I can even remotely convey what the experience was is to write it in a style totry to get it across. I will put in brackets what I "heard" or more truthfully, telepathically was aware of...no actual words or sounds occured. Maybe thatmight seem strange...but it shouldn't to those who are experienced in letting go and surrendering...humm...better said...to those who shut the little voice up in the head (the ego) and just receive.

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If you were timing the experience with a watch, it wasn't 30 seconds after I smoked Salvia when I disassociated from my physical body (I so love that!) and "with" the world outside.When that happens, what you see, though far different than normalseeing,isstill nothing like seeing the world in a hallucinatory way. It was truly being therevs. seeingand witnessing a change of vision due to being on something. The best way to put it is...it was "seeing."

The Shepherdess was behind me. That is the only way I can put it...I have to explain the experience in terms that we all understand. So, it wasn't like I was physically there and she was physically behind me...but energetically she was...that's the only way I can put it...by way of trying to get it across.

The plants and land "looked" at me (not with eyes, of course, but became quite aware of my presence and definitely noted it). Then I heard...telepathically

["He's supposed to stay there"]

The word THERE meantas though an "address" was stated...not like a house address on a street...but an "address" of a state of reference...a way of understanding...a reality. "There" meant where humans' consciousness understands and interprets the "reality" of the universe (as limited as that is).

As soon as that was "said" the plants and land "looked" at the Sheperdess "standing" behind me. And then I "heard:"

[OK!]

They let me be there...theyrealized it was OK for me to be in that realm and had no problem with it at all.I had a wonderful feeling right then. I was accepted in that realm.

I "saw" a completely different reality than anything we experience normally. Of course, I know what we experience is a "dream" that we, the world, creates. We experience our own personal dream,and we experience the bigger dream of the world. We "agree" to the rules so we can make sense of things, have common experiences and communticate....but it is all a dream...an illusion. And for people like me,we know that intimately and always recreateour dreams...daily.

There was no ego...there was no judging...there was no fear or concern. I was "given" a clear understanding of and "shown" another reality that is right here with us...with our reality ...another way things areunderstood...another way that everything relates to everything else...totally different than our daily reality.

And it was all so matter of fact.

I felt honored to be "allowed" to visit a different "address" than I'm supposed to be at normally. And, what struck me most is there was definitely a "discussion" between the spirits that normally reside at that other address...including the Shepherdess. And the Shepherdess made it clear in an instant that it was "OK" for me to be there.

Salvia is not just something to get off with. Salvia is unique, and special. With clear intent and humble surrender, she will take you to........

Remember this: Nothing is important...Everything is sacred.
Edited by: paradies

[mysterywhiteboy]

Greatposts, Paradies. I would URGE anybody thinking of trying Salvia to take note of such advice to ensure their experience is as comfortable of possible. It is not to be underestimated.


I haven't really been into hallucogensin my lifetime, a gave up on LSD in my teens as I had areal trip. Notjust the usual traces and so forth. My reality was changing, andthat I wasn't ready for. Approx 14 years later, I decide to try Salvia.


Now, given my previous experience with LSD and having read accounts of other people's experiences, and having not done any hallucogens since, I decided to take this one step at a time. I'd read that the 5x Standardised Extract I had would provide around 10 hits. I would suggest you start LOWER, just to be safe.


Experince 1


Location: Home (around mid afternoon).


Even havingbeen slightly disturbedby some of the many trip reports I had read,and having also been advised to have a sitter, curiousityhad gotten the better of meand I decided to try this alone. I'd taken the time to put a note on the door to remind me not to go outside, but with hindsight, I don't think that would have had any impact. Please get a sitter.


So, Itipped about 1/12g of the 5x into the bowl of my water lung, lit it and took this down in one and held it for around 10-15 seconds. Having waited for around 30 seconds I felt veryheavybutthought I could really do withanother hit. I put slightlyless in than last time and tookthat down. As I was holding in the smoke, I suddenly felt the need to lie on the bed. I felt as If I was being pulled backwards and my body started to be swept away. I became aware of my surroundings changing and my`normal` world took on a surrealnew perspective. At this time, Ibecame unnerved.I wasn't quite ready to go wherethis was taking me. I decided to fight it and get back into my body, as I justdidn't feel comfortable with leaving myphysical selfin that room with no-ene else toensure it's safety. Just as I had started to fight this, I was aware of a voice (not audible, but I could `hear` it,can't quite describe this) saying `But this is what you wanted`, over and over.Luckily, I managed to pull myself back into my body and off of the bed to relative normality.


Even though I thought I was being relatively cautious, I had still underestimated the effects ofthis amazing plant and nothing can really prepare you for what youmay experience. Youcertainly need to be in a comfortable environment, andwith people that you can trust.


Experience 2


Location: Friends House (Early evenining).


Having seen one of my friends have a very intense experience a few minutes beforehand, and pledging that he won't be doingSalvia again, I was pretty apprehensive at this time but went ahead and took a hit ofaround 1/12g of 5x.From the one hit, Iagain felt as if I was on my way somewhereelse and I couldn't communicate with anyone presentbut this feeling subsided shortly after. A few minutes later Irealised that I had forgotten to hold the smoke in long enough for a full hit.


Experience 3


Location: Friends House (Justafter midnight).


My friend (who'shouse I was staying in), and his girlfriend went off to be and so I decided to have one final hit whilst in the room alone. I told him of my plans, and asked him if he woldn't mind coming to my attention if I sound like I needed it. He obliged.


I turneddown the lights and again I loaded around 1/12g of the 5x and took it down.


Well. This post is long enough as it is so I won't go into too much detail, but the experiencewas like something I have never know before. The lights were dim in the room but I could make out most things. Whilst I was peaking I was still aware of where I was (i.e, my friends house) but it seemed as ifIwas viewing it from in a differentplane and I had an overwhelming sense that I had been let into a hidden world. I remember thinking `So, this is what everybody has been keeping hiddenfrom me`. The objects around me were no longer solid, and there was no air..instead it was part of the overally wave of energy. It seemed as if everything was one and I could see time moving both slowlyand quickly. Although my perception had been truly altered, I was still aware of my previous reality and at this stage I started to doubt whether I was ready to become part of this new world that I had discovered andwas beginning to worry thatIwould never be able go back. It was at this time, that I began to come back to my normal self, and I was ready for it.





In summary, I personally need to take things slowly here. This is one journey thatI need to be completely ready for.I, for one,will be treatingSalvia with the respect it deserves. I suggest we all do.


Good luck.Edited by: mysterywhiteboy

[Kopyright]

My first experience: Last night.

After smoking a little bit of herb, I loaded up some 10x into a minibong, and took 1 hit, exhaled, then immediately took a second hit. (loaded by a friend) Used a butane torch. I felt the gravitational effects hit me pretty hard, and I kinda rolled onto the floor (for lack of a better explanation). While on the floor, I felt a strong pulling motion to my right side. I would kinda "look" over to the right. (Another lack of explanation, because I wasn't "looking" anywhere... I wasn't really IN my body, for a few minutes)


To the right of me, covering half of my field of vision, would be a cartoon world, where that side of the room happened to be drawn. (Towards the end I also began to see a slideshow of my family, in the same cartoonish fashion on that side of the room) Whenever my friends would talk to me, I would look over at them, and see reality (albeit distorted, regular green couch had a strange patterning on it, other minor details were off) so I would get upset and ask them to stop bothering me, because it flat out wasn't as enjoyable to me.


This took place for a very short 2 minutes or so, reality time, but in my time, it felt like maybe 15.


After I started coming down from my original trip, colors and other senses were INSANELY defined, so I decided to experiment, and turned on Winamps Visualization Box, and listened to some Beatles (Magical Mystery Tour - of course)


After a while, I decided the lights on in the room were bothering me, so I closed my eyes and continued to listen to the Beatles. Little did I know, I'd begin to see the Winamp Visualization with my eyes closed (a little more blurry, and harder to make out the actual patterns)


I did this for a while, and my friends began to think I passed out. So they threw something at me or something, to "wake me up" and broke me from my trance. I was a little pissed off, because from this point on, I could tell my trip was over, and I was returning to reality.


At this point, I was tired as hell, and my friends were leaving, so I went up to my room, and fell asleep. It was one of the best sleeps ever. I woke up this morning refreshed, and happy.


In the end, turns out Salvia was a very enjoyable experience, and I plan on doing it again (If I can find another butane torch). My friends, on the other hand, did not enjoy the experience, and felt very little from the drug. Anyway, the only real negative about the experience is that it just flat out wasn't long enough. Also, getting hot and sweaty is a little annoying, but other than that, I loved it. Thumbs up!

[als5555]

my first experience with salvia was one of the oddest experiences i've ever had. it was 20x (which might have been a high extract to start with, tehe) and i was up in my friends room and he was the sitter. i took a very long hit with a torch lighter and passed the pipe and lighter to my friend. i was also surrounded by pillows incase i did something wierd. i exhaled and waited for five seconds to say "nothings happening". half way through saying this i collapsed with laughter and suddenlythe floor fell away on either side of me and became a roof that i was on the center line of. i was still laughingand every time i would laugh agreen or yellow ball would come out of my mouth, the green would role down one side of the roof and the yellow would roll down the other. i looked at where the balls were falloing and they were rolling into a school bus and becoming kids in the busses. eventually it melted away and i saw my friend sitting there. i asked him what had happened and he said that i had just been curled up on the floor laughing for the last five minutes. after that it was a calm relaxed feeling for the next half hour until i want to bed.

[Dr. Dro]

My first and only time with salvia i did two hits from a bong with a torch lighter. 10x


first hit.

After my first hit, i had about 20 seconds while my friend was firing up to expierence it. I was sitting on the couch in his room and i wanted to get up to share this feeling with as many as possible. but i couldn't. there was an invisible force field around me.


second hit

after my second hit things started gettin crazy. i was sitting there when extremely suddenly (as fast as when the giant drop drops), the room, house, and entire world drops under me, im gliding through the stars, the galaxy, the entire universe. when i hit a different plane of existence. heaven. the gorund was clouds, but the building were an unearthy solid pink material. an angel with the most beautiful face ive ever seen elad me to an interesting lake. it was turquise water with huge pinkish purple bubles bobbing up and down in the liquid. "Wade in it " the angel said in a gentle angelic voice. so i did. i was walking on it like jesus does. the bubles were curiosly intriguing, the angel walked with me toward it. i reached out my hand and touched it. the second i did, the angels face turned demonic, and screamed at me with a demonic voice "HOW DARE YOU?!?! HOW DARE YOU TOUCH THE CREATOR?!?!?!?! BLASPHEMER!!!!!" i was falling head first into a sandy ground. i hit it, in the distance i could see earth. i ran toward and dove into it. i was sitting back in the room. i was down. it was the craziest trip ive ever had. tis was a couple months ago, and thinking about that angels face and voice still, literally, scares me to the point i cant sleep at night.


ive had other sally trips since than, but that was the best.

[Urban]

hhhhhmmmmmmmmmm.................... my experience goes like this:


11pm..... filled up my pipe with 1g 5x salvia.... i took a bit hit of it and then lay down..... after about 30 secs i let all the smoke out again....

i opend my eyes, and the trees around me had giant pink tenticles, instead of branches, and they were reaching out to grab me!

i got up and started to walk away from them..... but i had forgotten where i was!

i wondered around for about 5 mins, until it wore off! then i repeated the experience.


11.30pm.....

i took another bit hit and held it down for what seemed like ages... (about 30secs) then i lay down again.......... suddenly i thought i was a hooka... and i saw lots of guys around me.....


then i woke up!!!


SmAcK...

[Mace]

On friday night I was with a few friends. We ended up rolling on E all night and had a great time. Then morning came around and I was pretty much done rolling. One of my buddies then mentioned he had some salvia. I had never tried or even heard of it.So my friend took the first bowl out of a pipe and it hit him hard. Then I took a bowl but really didnt feel tripped, just a little high maybe. I believe the reason this happened was because I only held the smoke for like 5 seconds. So my buddy packed me another bowl and I held it in for like 15-20. After that I went in my room and layed down. Then it was so fucking weird. It felt like everything that happened was in some kind of a comic strip, like out of a comic book. So I got up and sat in my computer chair.Then I was trying to talk to my friends but it was just like they didnt hear me. I felt like I was in a TV trying to communicate with the viewers, but I was on mute. So I was like "Can you hear me?!" Then like 60 seconds later the weirdness was all gone, but I still felt funny from it for like anoter 45 minutes. Anyways, it was one hell of an expierience.

[awakening]

i have a lot of experience with salvia and i will try to post as many reports as time will allow.


My first try was with standard leaf and i just got the sweats.


I tried several other times at varying strengths and never got anything more than a slight somewhat stoned feeling and soaked in sweat.


Then a friend of mine at a local headshop got some new blueberry flavored 25X and offered me a gram to test out before he began selling it. This is what happened.


Myself and two friends (T and J) were on the way to the beach to shoot off some fireworks. On the way we picked some teenage hitchhikers who were headed in the same direction. after dropping them off we shot the fireworks and retreated to the van to listen some slightly stoopid (check em out if you like sublime.) It was about 10 pm. i told J and T i had some salvia and asked if they wanted to smoke. Not really expecting much we all got ready. Seriously doubting i put about 1/2 gram in my small wooden pipe. after several minutes of searching for the torch lighter a took some huge thwacks.Almost immediately i was catapulted into what looked similar to a sidecut of leaf observed through a microscope. I was a part of molecular activity. I was no loner aware of the van, my friends, my body, or even that i had smoked something. Then all the cells grew two wooden popsicle stick legs and eyes. We began to play some sort of game i'm not quite sure anymore i just know it had something to do with dividing yourself. Then i got the overwhelming sense that the "popsicle men" had become hostile. i wasn't afraid...i just no longer wanted to be a part of there game. I began to be aware of the sky and stars again. i realized i was now outside the van lying on the ground in the middle of a small back street. T was staring at me with a WTF face and J was already mid hit, eager to see what i was seeing. i tried to warn him but couldn't find the words. 5-10 seconds after his hit he jumped out of the van and screamed "i'm NOT FUCKIN GOING" and ran straight into the sea wall, scraping himself up pretty good. T went to check on him but he was unaware of her presence. At this point i was able to get up and move around and a explained to T what i experienced. we waited until J came out of it (about 4 min) but he was unable to recall anything, the only result he will ever have in the future. With only a small amount left T opted to try it assuming it wouldn't as strong. And it wasn't. T just laughed a lot and reported psychedelic like visuals. We got in the van and drove home, all with a knew found knowledge and respect for the powers of salvia.

[paradies]

Originally Posted by CoKanE

I used to do salvia quite a bit untill I flushed about $40 dollars worth of 10x down the john about four months ago. The reason I did this was because everytime I would get High I started feeling like everyone around me was the devil and the world around me wasn't a reality. This stuff can be real fun, but I started to not trust it with my mind. Thats just a personal thing though - hope you all are enjoying the shit out of your experiances.

The world around you is a reality...but just one of many, many realities. I have a friend who hates Salvia too.He did it twice. He just hates it when he starts to disassociate and"see" things differently than he is used to via his current organic perspective. He also hates anything that causes him to struggle to keep his ego fully in control.


He did 4-HO-MIPT with me once and spent the whole time totally getting into forcing his mind/ego to concentrate as hard as possible so he wouldn't really experience what 4-HO had for him. He wouldn't enter into conversations with me, while in that state, because it started to "make him look at things differently." He spent six hours drawing the smallest circles I've ever seen before...scarely bigger than a dot. He was beyond pent up. That was such a "waste" of 4-HO, in my opinion.


I, on the other hand, absolutely love Salvia and having my ego "die" while experiencing other realities. I find it easy to let go...and very invigorating. It is practicing letting myself disassociate as far and as "splintered" as possible...experiencing what is "there" and then finding all the parts of me scattered about and bringing them all back together again...until I am a central thinking ego once again in my body. For me this is extremely satisfying and gives me more "power" to go further into other realities without having my "ego" freaking out and trying to gain control by telling me shit to scare me into paying exclusive attention to it...shit like everyone around me is the devil, for instance.


I don't give my ego any attention...and that is THE KEY. Stop paying attention to it...stop listening to the little voice in your head...just be quiet and receive...stop broadcasting...just let go and let it in.


My friendand I have had many talks about this. He is just totally mental...and happens to be OCD and ADHD as well. His whole reality is his ego and mind. He just hates anything that shakes that reality. He truly is incapable of shutting up that little voice in his head (ego) and letting go. He really believes he would die, if he did. He wouldn't die, of course, but nothing I can say or show him has a chance of changing his perspective. Just to make things more difficult, he totally believes in "determinism." Sheesh...once a person believes that...any other possibilities are over.


He will have a very difficult time, when he dies. It will be hell for him.Too bad. It doesn't have to be that way at all. Letting the ego go and letting this reality go for a while, is very good practice for death.


Edited by: paradies

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Very good insight into the prep for death thing. Never thought me it that way before. Infact, your view point on that ha...

[Leafteaner]

One of swim's more interesting salvia experiences...

I have transcribed his writing below, hence the first person narrative:


Dose : 1 large bowl packed with 15x extract and some ganja mixed in


Some friends and I were outside in the mountains in an empty stream bed. We had been smoking ganja throughout the day. My friend B decided to load me up a nice bowl of 15x in his new bubbler, and threw a small nug on top. He insisted on lighting it for me and pulled out his torch. I announced that I would cash the entire bowl in one hit and hold it as long as possible. This was of course a nice prelude toa ridiculous scene they were about to witness. I somehow managed to cash the bowl but I have no memory of how long I held it, I was instantaneously about 15 feet up the path bent over and laughing the hardest I've ever laughed in my life. I was told later that i stumbled up the path. Laughing is normally a great thing but this was unreal! No matter what i couldnt stop and it was so intense it was starting to hurt. I was salivating quite a bit but couldnt swallow because of the laughing, so I made an awful attemp to spit and failed horribly several times. After what seemed like an hour I finally stopped laughing and managed to sit down. It turns out the whole experience lasted about 10 minutes. After that it was nice, I had the usual crazy body high I get from salvia and just chilled out for another half hour or so and watched B go through pretty much the same thing.


I think the biggest mistake I made was taking a strong extract while standing. Laying down or sitting is definitely the way to go! I have had more profound experiences with salvia but this was easily one of the strangest for me.Edited by: Leafteaner

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[MushroomTrip]

Date: Earlier today


Dosage: One large bowl of salvia 10X, two hits, held the smoke inside each time about 25 - 30 seconds


The trip came out strong and instantaneous. I enetered another dimension..... right in my room. From the door came out gigantic crystals that looked like diamonds and formed many shapes....people shapes. And they started to move. They acted like they didn't see mne but i know they did. I thought that i should starttotalk to them and i did, i actually was able to make a sound, i was not able to speak words. One turned to me. I took him by the hand.... and i came back to reality. Pretty strange if you come to think that when i took the hits i was in my bed and when i came back i was in the bathroom in front of the mirror.

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[ambrosius]

Date: 4 or 5 months ago


Dosage: Unmeasured amount of enhanced leaves. Fit comfortably into a pipe.


I took the hit and leaned back on the couch. My brain became "noisy" much like on DXM only the noise was more along the lines of an auditorium full of people. I felt as if I was being pulled back somewhere, then I was convinced that the gateway to hell was under my desk and that I had slipped into a "Wonderland" dimension that looked exactly like the room I was in. I began to take control of my mind again and got up to go have a cigarette. I noticed that gravity had shifted about 45 degrees. I don't believe I got the full effects as I saw no CEV or OEV's. However, in retrospect the trip was very interesting and somewhat humorous.

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