New MDE and MBDB ketone analogs

[Barron]

Found two products that I do not recognize:


2-ethylamino-1-(3,4-methylenedioxyphenyl)propan-1-oneHCL


and


2-methylamino-1-(3,4-methylenedioxyphenyl)butan-1-one HCL


I suppose it is not methylone which is 2-Methylamino-1-(3,4-methylenedioxyphenyl)Propan-1-one.


What is it then? Any idea?Edited by: nanobrain

[Nagognog2]

That would be a congener of methylone, being the ethyl rather than the methyl. A ketone. I have heard there is a Rhesus Monkey who may be forced to sample this. I am sure the monkey will file a report. Poor monkey.

[Barron]

And concerning the second one, which ends by butan-1-one HCL? Do you think that it might also be a congener of methylone?

[Nagognog2]

Rather different. Butyl, or butane, means 4 carbons. Propyl, or propane is 3 carbons. If I were looking for empathogenic activity, I would be sticking with the propanone, at least to start with.But you never know.


C3H8 v. C4H10? <grin>

[Dimitri]

I expected the second one to be MDBD, is that correct?

[Barron]

I am not a chemical. However, according to erowid, MBDB is : 2-Methylamino-1-(3,4-Methylenedioxyphenyl)Butane (i.e. : there misses the "1-one HCL" at the end).


May be Butane is the sameas butan-1-one HCL, but in such case, why methylone is reffered by Erowid as "***propan-1-one", and not as ***propane?

[daeron]

butan-1-one is a ketone,while butane is a paraffine.


these are the ketone "analogues"...

[Barron]

Thank you Daeron.If I understand correctly:


- the ketone "analogues" are not the same products than the paraffine.


- the effects of the ketone "analogues"maybe comparable than theparaffine although not identicals (i.e. methylone c/ MDMA)?


I am waiting for the report of the poor monkey of nagognog2 (which seems to be quite smart for a monkey)!

[Barron]

Another question : from a chemical point of view, are these products (2-methylamino-1-(3,4-methylenedioxyphenyl)propan-1-one (methylone), 2-ethylamino-1-(3,4-methylenedioxyphenyl)propan-1-oneHCL, and 2-methylamino-1-(3,4-methylenedioxyphenyl)butan-1-one HCL) a stero-isomer or "salt" of MDMA, MDA, and MBDB?


And what about FLEA(N-Hydroxy-N-Methyl-3-4-methylenedioxyamphet amine) c/ Methylone & MDMA ?


Thanks again for your responses.

[daeron]

just to clarify one thing,i said that butane is a paraffin,but mdma,mbdb,mdeaare amines,sorry if icaused some confusion


now methylone isnt a stereo isomer or a salt of mdma.methylone,ethylone and Eirias`s "MethylJones" are the ketone analogues of mdma,mdea and mdbd,they have a lot of simmilar structure but they are 2 different types of compounds(try to find their structures on erowids chem compare,and compare them to get the whole picture).But it is to be expected that they have similar effects as their amine relatives.

[Barron]

Thank you very much, Dearon.


Your positionconfirms the answer I have just received fromanother source:
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">


"2-ethylamino-1-(3,4-methylenedioxyphenyl)propan-1-oneHCL is the keton (double bounded oxygen on the beta position) homolugue of MDE, and neither a stereo-isomer, nor a "salt" (as would e.g. MDE sulphate, or tartate, would be). The same is for 2-methylamino-1-(3,4-methylenedioxyphenyl)butan-1-one HCL, it is a beta keton of MDBD."</BLOCKQUOTE>
This issue was important as regard with French law, which prohibits notonly MDMA, MDA, and MBDB, but also their stereo-isomers and their salts.

[jaguarangel]

I hear these are available in Holland now.

[radiometer]

In shops?

Great. Give it two months til they're declared "supplements" or whatever
like methylone, and thus unavailable.

Presuming they turn out to be worth a damn, which is yet to be
determined.Edited by: radiometer

[Barron]

Methylone can still be found on the web, but, indeed, not any more in Holland under the name Explosion.


Which is finally not a bad issue, except for the price of pure methylone which remains significantly high.


And after all, one could argue that such expensive price is not so bad after all, since it prevents a large diffusion and risky behaviours that would definitely lead to prohibition.

[nanobrain]

thread name changed, repeat questions deleted.Edited by: nanobrain

[radiometer]

Ok got it, I thought you meant shops in Holland were selling them.

Someone beat me to the punch on the bragging rights for first reports:

posted by C6H6:
I have a first and preliminary report on "mebylone", the butyrophenone
homologue of methylone.

50mg - after 15 minutes slight alert. Comes on real fast. Nothing much
followed, so at T + 1h, a boost of 100mg was taken. Again, the effects
were noticeable after about 15 minutes. Very similar to methylone, both
in effect and potency. Unfortunately, it's also similarly short-lived.* **

I now also got a first and preliminary report on Ethylone:

T+0:00 50mg ethylone dissolved in some apple juice
T+1:00 hardly any effects. boost with 150mg
T+1:20 now feeling the ethylone
T+1:45 this is much less stimulating than methylone and mebylone, but
has a pronounced serotonergic/entactogenic effect. all three compounds
have a different but similar character, while the dose range is very similar,
150-250mg for a full effect

radio, i took the BL link out, the peeps can find it.Edited by: nanobrain