Experiences - Consumed...???

[m.swinehart81]

Swim has noticed recently that alot of the people he knows that use are completely consumed by using drugs. He has noticed that alot of his friends that use only talk about drugs, or talk about doing drugs, etc...
For swim, this isnt the case. Of course he likes to talk about drugs once in a while but he has other interests as well. Everything out of swims mouth does not revolve around drugs.
He has this one friend that has been his friend for some time and drugs are all he talks about anymore. It is also getting increasingly worse. It seems that the only thing on his friends mind is getting high.

Like I said swim has many other interests that he likes to talk about and other things he likes to engage himself in. I am sure that this is the case for many drug users...
In swiy's opinion, do you find that most heroin/drug addicts are so consumed by their drug use that it is all they can talk/think about or does swiy think that there are alot of addicts out there that are not that way. In swims opinion drugs are something that should be meant to enhance his way of life. Not take it over....

Anyones opion here is completely welcome. I would love to hear both sides.

[Wehr]

Swim, like swiy enjoys talking about other criteria and engaging in other activitities, not just drug use. Also like swiy most of swims friends on the other hand all they talk about is anything that revolves around drug use. Swim could never figure that out. There are alot of things in life that suck without drugs but on the contrary there are also alot of things in life that is just as good without drugs involvede imho. Just swims 2 cents

[m.swinehart81]

Agreed! I just dont understand why addicts only concern is drugs. I can completely understand it being a top priority if you have a heroin habit due to not wanting to go through withdrawls, but at the same time there are alot of other things in life worth talking about and engaging yourself in besides drugs.

[m&ms]

Swim has a variety conversationally, but has noticed the obbsession of the drug has totally consumned others. a message you wrote on the end, that drugs are meant to enhance not take it over, is a message swim best rememeber.

Due to the nature of the addictiveness of the drug, people using often become obesessed and further on the withdrawls some try there very hardest to avoid, so fueling there desire and ultimatley there personal need for more.

Sadly for some the subject is all whats on there mind always, and thats all they can talk about, when they talk on the subject, express to them you have noticed the subject is all they talk about and now you want to change it, saying that drugs is now a no go area of discussion unless its being bought, purchased or planned, then red flag it, see if that suggestion helps.

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[m.swinehart81]

Thats not a bad idea. I mean I really do understand where the want to talk about drugs that much comes from. Swim himself is a full time heroin addict. Swim doesnt want to come off as a dick to his friends either but he also wants to take part in all the other finer parts of life as well as have conversations about things other than getting high. Swim would be fine if even 50% of conversation was taken up by drugs. JUST NOT ALL OF IT!

[Wehr]

When swim is going through withdrawal he only really talks about drugs long enough to hook up. Drugs (especially opiates) have become a part of everyday life just like eating, sleeping and brushing your teeth is. So swim doesn't talk about how long he brushed for today or whatever. Dope is in the same category for swim if that makes sense.

[ex-junkie]

theres nothing worse than people who go on incessantly about drugs. swim has been guilty of this herself mind you.

[east_of_eden]

swim and her friends talk about all kinds of things .... ideas, philosophies, life experiences, travels, books, movies, etc.

sure, drugs are talked about too because they are of major importance in people's lives, but usually only at first as it pertains to scoring/getting high/judging the quality of batches, then the conversation goes in other directions.

but like swim said in another post, her friends tend to be intelligent and artistic and interesting.

[SmokeNmirrors]

Swim does talk about drugs very often only because being a addict it is a major part of his life. Also since swim is a heroin addict and of course doesn't tell co workers or close friends and family. So swim talks a lot about music,movies,going out,cars and just random things with those people which is the majority. For swim its all about time and place, when its appropriate and when its not.

[east_of_eden]

but ... speaking of drugs here, swim has been thinking all day how she is falling in love with heroin all over again.

for years all her veins were gone and she gave up trying to get them to comply but in the last week some have come back and the rush of IV'ing versus IM'ing is incredible.

All day she's been thinking about the hit she had last night and can't wait to get home from work to be alone with her sweet heroin again!

Swim knows this is kind of off topic, sorry, just had to get it out there.

[m.swinehart81]

Swim is in your exact same spot! He has been IM'ing for some time now due to shot veins. He has recently been taking some supplements that a friend/nutritionist recommended he take and his veins have actually been coming back! Swim had that old familiar rush for the first time in months the other day and its definitely turning into a second love affair

[msmogadon]

Originally Posted by m.swinehart81

Swim is in your exact same spot! He has been IM'ing for some time now due to shot veins. He has recently been taking some supplements that a friend/nutritionist recommended he take and his veins have actually been coming back! Swim had that old familiar rush for the first time in months the other day and its definitely turning into a second love affair

Please do share what these supplements might be.

[east_of_eden]

yes, please do share what these supplements are.

swim knew she would jinx herself by posting that. last night when she got home from work, she could not find a vein anywhere. THAT is one of the worst feelings in the world.

swim tried over and over (went through five new needles) and nothing ... well she got about half of it at the end after filtering out the blood that was coagulating (sp?).

if it wasn't summer and she didn't have a job where tracks on the hands and neck are so obvious, she'd focus more there, but can't.

swim is just so glad its Friday so she can concentrate on this more this weekend. so yes, she is definitely consumed right now because she wants to get this same high again and will not give up until she does.

[m.swinehart81]

My friend told swim to take 3 different ones. He says there are more that will help but swim didnt have alot of money at the time so he said to start with these 3 things. 1) Vitamin B-12 2) This stuff called "Alive!" its a liquid drink that comes in a yellow bottle. 3) A-AKG Powder - Arginine Alpha-Ketoglutarate.
Like I said, there are others out there that swims friend said would help but swim has been taking these 3 things and he has definitely noticed a difference. Dont get me wrong, its not like its been a miracle cure for swims veins but it definitely helps. You need to excercise while taking these supplements in order for them to work as well. Even a brisk 30 min walk once or twice a day would be fine. Hope this info helps all you swimmers out. If you have any questions let me know.

[east_of_eden]

thanks for the info. swim will check these out.

question - does swiy know if they have any side effects or change the heroin high in any way?

[cra$h]

it's all swim thinks about. If swim put the focus he puts on drugs in school, well, shit.... he'd still be a piece of shit..... haha. But swim's based his life on drugs, and even is going to school for pharmacology n shit like that. But as far as conversation, even if it's in a sarcastic tone, he's brought it up w/ everyone. Wether it's dealin, old days, what swim's doin today, what he wants to do tomorrow, it ALWAYS comes back to drugs. Even the music swim reads/writes is mostly drug based, or has a blatent tie. It's pretty sad I guess, but it's the life swim has kinda chosen, and really doesn't have any intentions on going back to how he thought in middle school. It's gonna kill swim, but atleast swim's enjoying the ride, until he comes down....

[m.swinehart81]

Oh dont get me wrong. Swim is a full time heroin addict with no end in sight. He loves drugs! He just likes other things as well. In no way is swim persecuting drug users. Swim just doesnt know why some addicts only talk about drugs. Swim talks about drugs often but its not the only subject you hear coming out of his mouth and he wonders why it is that some drug users only conversation piece is their drug use...???

m.swinehart81 added 5 Minutes and 48 Seconds later...

East of eden.... I am going to talk about this stuff on the other thread that I started. I will answer your question there.

[mickey_bee]

Swim finds when he is with friends who also use heroin regularly/are addicts, most of what they talk about is drug-related.

Likewise when swim is with friends who don't use heroin regularly, they talk about different stuff.

It's pretty logical really........if a group of people all take heroin regularly, then that is one thing which they all have in common, and therefore something they are likely to talk about to each other, as it's something each one of them can identify with.

It's the same for a group of friends who are all really into music, or art, or literature, or quantum physics.....

Swim doesn't think it's really about being consumed by the drug. Swim is an addict, and knows that with certain friends, who also use, when he and they get together, 90% of the conversation will be drug-related. However, when swim gets together with friends who don't use, and like music for example, he knows that 90% of the conversation will be music related.

[east_of_eden]

well, swim thinks its normal to listen to music about drugs, watch movies about drugs, and write about drugs because that's a topic that swimmers are really interested in.

but swim thinks it changes over time a bit. when she was first getting high, she was always just thinking of drugs and partying but as people get older they are forced to be more mature in order to support themselves, make their way in life, etc.

[m.swinehart81]

Of course! I am mainly talking about friends sitting around together talking. Friends that have known eachother for years and have many more things to talk about than just drugs. I guess what I am getting at is that I dont understand why, just because your an addict, that the only thing you have to talk about is drugs. I guess I am just getting at the fact that alot of drug users out there should broaden their horizons.
Its funny that most people say that they tried drugs because they wanted to do just that, broaden their horizons, but after they start using the drugs then all of a sudden that is all they care about and it is all that is on their mind. I can understand if you are in the process of getting/buying drugs or are trying to get to where you are in that process. I also understand if the person is going through withdrawls. What brought this whole thought up was the fact that swim was hanging out with a good buddy the other night. They did a shot and were feeling good, sitting around, and just talking with eachother. At first they were talking about getting high and so on which was completely fine but then swim noticed that the conversation was not switching to anything else. It just stayed about drugs all night long. It got to the point that swim was bored with the conversation and he ended up leaving due to that fact. It bothered swim because this is a good friend and he knows that there is more to this person than just his drug use. It bothered swim also because it made him think of many other people that he knows that are pretty much in the same spot.

[east_of_eden]

swim knows exactly what you mean swiswinehart.

maybe it's because she was a tweaker first and her and her friends used to talk about anything and everything and analyze everything endlessly.

[m.swinehart81]

haha Tweakers can be great if you want to analyze the smallest things to the fullest extent...

[Junkhead23]

Pacman has a friend who talks non stop about drugs and it can be very boring. Perosnally pacman talks about anything and everything not just drugs.

[just some chick]

Swim talks about drugs endlessly with the people she can talk about drugs with. Not just the drugs, but the stories of when she would get her dope. Tales of the dope spot, people they'd conned, the best high, etc. She can't talk about this with her friends or family.

She's in the same boat as Eden, after not using for six years swim got her hands on a rig and some dope which put that new, wonderful memory back in her mind, now it's consuming most of her thoughts and she's on an MMT which makes it harder. Definitely not helping with the cravings, but anyways, when swim was hardcore using she had no interest in maintaining mainstream friendships, her only friends were fellow users.