Experiences - Sleeping on amphetamines

[SkipRipper]

SWIM was having trouble sleeping on dexedrine in the past and he assumed that if you take the stuff too late at night you'll never sleep. SWIM discovered he was wrong last night. SWIM didn't really care if he sleeps or not at the moment cuz hes on his holidays and he's been redosing late at night and an unexpected observation is he has no trouble sleeping anymore. SWIM redosed on dexedrine at 4 in the morning last night and it wasn't a light dose and at about 8AM he couldn't keep his eyes open so he went to bed and slept like a brick. He slept for 10 hours straight. When SWIM takes dexedrine at say 6PM he won't get to sleep until 6PM the next day. This doesn't make much sense to SWIM but its what happens.

SWIMs pretty happy about this because now he has all the benefits of dexedrine and more and none of the side effects (apart from loss of appetite). Anyone else here find that taking a dose late at night does the opposite of what one would assume?

SkipRipper added 1 Minutes and 25 Seconds later...

Haha SWIM would probably seem like a right nutjob if people saw him taking amphetamines to help him sleep.

[ryanc]

SWIY said you re-dosed so SWIM would guess you were already sleep-deprived for a bit before that 4am redose?

Amphetamines are definitely not sleep aids, SWIM thinks you were just already exhausted and SWIYS body needed the rest.

[SkipRipper]

No SWIM hadn't been up the night before. He did start taking dexedrine early in the day though so his energy mighta been drained by 4AM.

[Mike177]

SWIM has no explanation for this, but has had similar experiences before. SWIM has been lite on sleep before, taken only a moderate dose of adderall (20-30mg), started to feel some effects and a bit of relaxation. So he got on his bed, closed his eyes, and next thing you know he was out. This has happened to SWIM even when he is good on sleep on light to moderate doses. SWIM has a friend who used to be able to get to sleep after a long day of coke use by doing a large rail, and he would just go to sleep.

SWIM can't explain it, but knows what your talking about.

[SkipRipper]

Originally Posted by Mike177

SWIM has no explanation for this, but has had similar experiences before. SWIM has been lite on sleep before, taken only a moderate dose of adderall (20-30mg), started to feel some effects and a bit of relaxation. So he got on his bed, closed his eyes, and next thing you know he was out. This has happened to SWIM even when he is good on sleep on light to moderate doses. SWIM has a friend who used to be able to get to sleep after a long day of coke use by doing a large rail, and he would just go to sleep.

SWIM can't explain it, but knows what your talking about.

It has become a regular occurence with SWIM. SWIM not only gets so tired he can't keep his eyes open but he manages to sleep like a rock for 10 hours straight. SWIM was having serious trouble with sleep deprivation when he started taking low doses of dexedrine but since he started experimenting with increased dosages he sleeps like a baby. SWIM doesn't get any ordinary kind of fatigue the fatigue is so extreme he just passes out in his seat if he closes his eyes. If he sits this out and does not redose he feels energetic again and gets insomnia but another redose and he'll be tired again within an hour or so. This is brilliant because amphetamine induced insomnias not an issue for SWIM anymore.

[onzero]

swim is prescribed 10mg dextroamphetamine 2x a day for ADD. paradoxically the onset of the drug makes him tired, like literally yawning... it's only a few hours after taking it that he feels "speedy"

he had trouble sleeping at night when he first started taking his medications, he found that 2.5-5.0mg an hour or two before bed and he slept fine. but if he took his last dose 5+ hours before bed he would have trouble falling asleep.

[dark12]

This is based on no medical evidence, but SWIM and a couple of his friends say dextroamphetamine helps them sleep by allowing them to focus on sleep. Usually, SWIM's head is racing when he is trying to sleep, but if he really needs to sleep he can make sleep his primary task to work toward.

Sounds strange, but it works for some.

[Moonage Daydream]

it depends on whether the cat is relaxed. If she is worried about something, and she takes her speed late on, she won't sleep. If she is chilled and in good spirits, she will sleep better than she does without speed!This could be, in her case, because she does speed about 3 times a week, and she finds that her sleep patterns are distrubed for a day or 2 when she is not doing speed, as a possible function of mild withdrawal?

[trixion]

Regarding the above mentioned sym, SWIM's pet Lerdy will like to say..BOY! Look liked SWIY has hit the con limit.

Try stopping for 1 week...see if SWIY can still sleep after having a dose...if sleeping has no issues..maybe SWIY is having a low end pdt..

Everyone has a sleeping period or time start to sleep...if SWIY managed to get over with it...SWIY will not feel sleepy and tired without having any doses.

Eating is in the mind...as to so call maintaining the engine. Having amp is like on fuel addictive...if addictive is added without petrol. Engine can still run a bit but costly as add expensive...engine will most likely to breakdown in a very rapid way.

Addition of addictive is an art...as one who has hit the max speed..increasing add is no used but wasting it...when entering a corner..speed must be drop by down gear, hand/feet brake...if not the red van(lucky) or the black one will be on the way.

Why not try to wait for peak to fall a bit and additional of add may be more worthy in the way of doing a drift act.

Doing maintance...like topping up water...SWIM love to have milk...milk/soy bean is good. Try finding out why if SWIY is interested. Cola are like nitro turbo... A human can go without food for weeks but without water for days and without air for mins. Know your system well.

SWIM find that having aircon purring at low temp...listening to slow music with eyelids closed...might trigger "something" The central system is not resting unless sleeping mode is called for but sort of relax...those switches are fliping left and right in an accer way...cool it down a little.

A car wash in a steaming tub will remove all the oil/dust accumlated. Pretty babes are always assoc with shiny/high performance car. High performance as on add but oil spots and mud all over will put those delicious babes at a distance.

Remember personal grooming..having a hair cut..trimming of nails to prevent scratching...will be necessary as all SWIMMERs like a neat/clean bee. It will also help to cover ur tracks...

Lastly mind over body...best to make do without add. Natural performance of car is impt but the driver handling it..is the KEY

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Great advice...Keep up the good work

[Moonage Daydream]

Sorry to be ignorant, the cat meows, but what on earth is the con limit?Yeah she knows her tolerance is high, she knows she is dependent, anyone saying that would not be bringing her news.............................................. .............................but thanks all the same for the slightly mystifying commentary........................................ ...............................As for the bit regarding appearance, she often pulls the trick of looking super neat and groomed when feeling tired/wired or maybe a mix of the two... Well not like an interview candidate more like a Mod with a slight garnish of punk and psychedelia BUT am not here to chat about fashion .................................................. ...........................(Sorry about the dots but its the only way to make paragraphs on the kitty's idiosyncratic ancient computer)......................................... .................................................. ..Ie the worse the jitters the better the make up! .................................................. ............don't understand what low end pdt is either, sorry?

[trixion]

Originally Posted by Moonage Daydream

but what on earth is the con limit?............don't understand what low end pdt is either, sorry?

SWIM will like say Sorry for the qns mark appearing on SWIM head...
Con as in "concentration" meaning any more intake will add little or no effect.

low end pdt as in "highly cut" stuff assuming cost/weight remain unchanged but offering little or no effect.

Worrying for your loved one for example will make anyone having sleepless nights...addition to the usage of speed will make things worst. Wondering if SWIY heard of sadness+speed = short-circuited. SWIM heard it in the form of bed time stories and had verification when SWIM heard several cell mates(call up for re-course) doing amazing things...(injection stage)

3 times a week (weight, one kick KO/several smaller combos) seems regular to SWIM.

To have a time line...Day 1 as monday(start) Likely to be in charged mode. Monday blues!! Take noted what is SWIY doing when charged. Surfing net all night...eyes tired. However ladies night workout will drain away quite a bit of power. Resting 1-2 hrs seems to recover to working condition.

Day 2 One will seems to be okie with effect enhancement pdt. But later in the night..tiredness coming in. Sleeping hrs ard 3-5 hrs expected.

Day 3 Panda Day...moody and emotional. Got a homely feeling...returning for more. Things turning better and sleep depends on work/personal matters. Sleeping hrs 4-6hrs..noticed that hp interfences might break your sleep. Waking up early.

Day 4 Feeling something is missing. Seems fine but lacked of energy to complete one's work. Restlessness maybe observed and going to pantry for more coffee n tea. Sleeping hrs 5-7

Day 5 Weekend coming...light mode. Eager to end one's day...expect outing/partying. Before partying...1 last for the week or go without to have a sleep for 7-9hrs

Day 6 After all the happy moments....if going for the last doze on day 5. Time to sleep after a washup is 7-8am. Sleeping hrs 7-10 hrs If sleep is not expected....maybe one will sleep ard 3-4pm since hot afternoon make one sleepy.

Day 7 SWIY may find waking up in afternoon. Gathering up all remaining energy to prepare Day 1 again. Sleeping hrs as per normal. Repeat cycle.

A lot is SWIM's imagination...SWIM entering world belonging to SWIY.

Regarding abt withdrawal...basically SWIM feel it is due to the fact that human body is made up of flesh and blood. Unable to switch the eco clock..like setting alarm clock.

Pay attention to frequency and weight to decide when addiction was formed. Only addiction is formed, then one can say the effects to be withdrawal in SWIM POV(pt of view). The feel during intaking and the urge for more...are impt pts to note.

Taking speed before sleeping maybe explained as a form of habit that had developed for one may not realised...as there is a high possibility.

Resulting...leads one to believe that taking speed is needed before going to sleep. One can try like taking a puff or heavy...to explain the observed behaviour. Bad habits die hard...friends around you play an impt role. Birds of the same feathers, flocked together.

Take note of stoppage period..as in last day when pdt finished and the day ordered was made again. Relapsed time becoming faster? Or one is finding excuses/reasons to use the pdt again. All the above little behaviours may need to take into consideration to judge oneself.

To conclude..SWIM used his sleeping parther behavior as a model in his essay. SWIMMERs feel free to express if one agree/disagree on what SWIM feel. SWIMD...if SWIM happened to bingo..pls pm. SWIM is often hated by others due to the fact that he see one through like a glass.
Do not be offended or angry...SWIM liked to judge others on small reactions/habit forming behaviour as a mean.

trixion added 22 Minutes and 29 Seconds later...

SWIM seem to intrude SWIMD private life...

Advice...do not forced oneself into a corner. To be sucessful...one has to undergone many tough times

Based on last week review

on the 11- SWIM suspect a little doze from leftover

on the 16- SWIM believed order was placed due to stress/emotion. Unable to resist the waving hand of amp

on the 17,18- The stormy days...one cannot explain one's behavior. Releasing one hate to vent anger. Pls calmed down...SWIY loved one are all ard you. Some may not speak to please you but concern is there.

on the 22 which is today - Believed is on doze again. Feeling restless and trying to spend time by starting threads and engaging in discussions.

[Moonage Daydream]

as a rule swim is not in the habit of doing speed late at night. But because she has a rule with herself saying she can't do it in work, on work days she still gets the urge, and by the time she gets home its 7pm and so she has to be very careful about the amount. She gets pretty strong stuff as a rule, but has had a habit lasting 4 years, which is tightly controlled in terms of amount and to some extent, where and when she takes it, but none the less still a habit.******************************************** *****************The odd thing is, when she has a day off, she generally takes it twice or three times a day, starting around 10am. it is important to her that she starts the day without it, even if its only for an hour. She once went out with a smoker who literally had a ciggie in his mouth as he pressed the alarm clock button down.... and she finds that idea depressing________________________________________ ________________________Anyway sorry for digression there but on days when she starts taking it in the morning, even if she does it at 10pm for the last time that day (and swim puts in drinks mainly so 1/2 hr absorption has to be accounted for) she sleeps fine at 12-1am, and wakes up feeling refreshed at 7.30am for work. But if she starts in the evening after a day at work she takes a while to get to sleep more often than not and, after an hour of leftover energy, feels drained the following day.______________________________________________ _______________________Is this perhaps because the body has a chance to get used to it throughout the day, in the first case, and that, as she is busy, maybe she uses up more of the energy it gives her?

[trixion]

SWIMD thank for dropping over to visit SWIM. SWIM need to correct SWIY that the thingy do not give energy...it sort of help SWIY to focus. The fun thing with human is that when one is focusing on a thing, great energy is given out. Things happening around with not affect you...so time seems to pass so fast sort of thing happen.

Is this perhaps because the body has a chance to get used to it throughout the day, in the first case, and that, as she is busy, maybe she uses up more of the energy it gives her? <---quote

SWIM can onli say sometimes the mind is pulling ur leg...

SWIMD is on creativity...to survive the real world. The cpu must have been stress up a lot. One must see or get to feel a lot in order for creativity to ooz out. SWIM got a little trick to release pressure.

First throw everything one side...find a good cozy seat with head slightly till back...close your eyes do not think of anything....in the mean time relax all the muscle in ur body...breathing in long and slow as a rythem
Suddenly....you will find that faraway in the darkness seems to be a source of light. Do not rush for the light instead gentle reach out for it...when you seem to reach the light..open your eye and feel..?