rc’s like dmt?

[adzket]

hi there


i have only heard about rc's in the last 6 months and have been doing some research into them since. i was origanalylooking up about dmt when i came across the info on rc's.


in the uk dmt is hard to come across and when you do is very exspencive. i have thought about exstracting my own, but this is alot of troubel if i dont like it or if i go wrong its a lot of money wasted. but threw my research i have heard of a few rc's being likend to dmt.


like 5-meo-dmt, Dpt in freebase oil, Dipt.


i would like to know what people think of these and which is more like dmt so i can try it out. i would also like to know about peoples exsperiances with these substances. i have used the search engin but would like to hear from others. thanks. also the effect pages or erowid are not there at the min so if someone could give me a genaral break down of effects that would be good thanks adz.

[Dimitri]

5-Meo DMT comes closest to N,N-DMT ...they are kind of brothers, but
also quite different. Especially the visuality is a bit missing with
5-Meo-DMT but it rulez with the deep insight and spirituality it can
give a user.

DPT ist more different it reminds me more to LSD
than to DMT. Only the quick onset when smoking is similar, but thats
the same with all these short acting substances like salvia as well.
Btw. you can also smoke the HCL of DPT. Both - HCL and freebase DPT -
take about 2-5 minutes up to the peak when smoked but for DMT and 5-Meo-DMT it
takes just a minute, so still a bit quicker and heavier. DPT has also a
longer duration, for all administration ways.

Anyway, there is not a substitute for DMT, it is unique and special.
You would find out that if you once tried. Nothing can do the same and
all other substances I know at the moment can not reach its glory.
Maybe the extraction is worth it ...



the 3 brothers DMT, 5-Meo-DMT and DPT are my favourites actually, I
like them quite a lot. Especially the both DMT-brothers feel like they fit
perfectly in my brain.
5-Meo-MIPT
is also smokable and somehow comparable to 5-Meo-DMT, but still
different of course. And a bit more expensive as well.


Edited by: Dimitri

[adzket]

thanks for that what is the diffirence in smoking dpt in freebase and hcl? also which is the most visual of the above? thanks

[allyourbase]

5-fluoro-DMT


supposedly VERY much like DMT.


the difference is you feel the freebase and not the salt. always try to get freebase, even if you plan on taking it orally, if you take a freebase orally it just turns into ahydrochloride salt in your stomach.Edited by: allyourbase

[Dimitri]

Originally Posted by adzket

thanks for that what is the diffirence in smoking dpt in
freebase and hcl? also which is the most visual of the above?
thanks

most visual...IMO...: DMT->DPT->5-Meo-DMT-->5-Meo-MIPT

The difference is: the HCL is making much more smoke and needs an
higher temperature (melting point around 175 °C) than the freebase. Sop
it might be a bit less comfortable. But still okay...I would recommend
an small gas burner instead of an lighter to get it vaporized. Also the
best smoking device is a smoke bubble, but you know that probably
already.

I would recommend (if you buy it in the next time) to get the hcl since
you can also use that IM if you want. Converting to freebase is
something you might be able to do by yourself. The other way around (to
hcl) is more difficult.



Dont know anything about 5-fluoro-DMT, sounds interesting!

[adzket]

thanks for the info will take this into acount whilst making my mind up also can you just conferm for me that freebase dpt is an oil and does no go solid as i would of thought this would cause some problems.

[Dimitri]

No, DPT freebase CAN be an oil but it doesn't has to be. With proper
recrystallisation and the right kind of solvent and some chemical
knowhow this is possible. But most likely it IS an oil as even some RC
vendors sell it this way. At least if you convert it by yourself will
hardly get it into powdered or crystal stage.

[allyourbase]

freebase DPT IS an oil, no amount of cooledrecrystalization in any solventwill change this. its opaque-ish and offcolor (yellowish-reddish-brownish) Edited by: allyourbase

[PenguinPhreak]

Can anyone provide a method of converting DPT HCL to freebase DPT?

[sunyata]

Conversion of Hcl salt to freebase:

2g of DPT Hcl was dissolved in 150ml of water. It was difficult to get the crystals to go into solution and it required a small amount of heat. Be careful not to apply too much heat, as DPT is very heat sensitive. Once the DPT was in solution the water mixture was added to a separatory funnel and ammonia hydroxide was then added dropwise to basify. After each drop I swirled the mixture to distribute the ammonia evenly, observing a white cloud of freebase forming out of solution. When it reached a ph 8-9, I added 75ml of chloroform. This mixture was swirled and thoroughly shaken for about 5-10 minutes with the chloroform layer settling on the bottom. The chloroform extraction was then poured off and saved in a flask. This process was repeated 3 more times, with each extraction requiring additional ammonia hydroxide to keep the ph level at 8-9. The last extraction was left to sit for 5 hours just to make sure that all of the DPT was recovered from the water solution. The combined chloroform extractions were then evaporated in a baking dish leaving a semi-clear-white DPT freebase oil behind. 2g of finely ground dried parsley was added to the baking dish and scraped and thoroughly mixed with a razor blade until the parsley was completely saturated. The mixture was still somewhat sticky but relatively easy to handle. It was then placed in a glass vial for easy use and storage.

[Nagognog2]

Err....and the CHCl3(chloroform) was evaporated in a VERY well ventilated area - I hope? Chloroform is a potent carcinogen(cancer-causing agent), and one does much better if one doesn't inhale it or get it on their skin.

[sunyata]

Swim used naphta for this with Foxy(the link above the chloro-recipe), did it outside and away from any source of flame/sparks. Sorry for leaving that part out asit is the most important one.

[Toltec]

Originally Posted by allyourbase

5-fluoro-DMT


supposedly VERY much like DMT.


the difference is you feel the freebase and not the salt. always try to get freebase, even if you plan on taking it orally, if you take a freebase orally it just turns into ahydrochloride salt in your stomach.

5-fluoro-DMT! Never heard of it!


What's the chemical name for it; Got a link to it.


Thanks

[allyourbase]

that is the chemical name.... I suppose another would be 3-[2-(dimethylamino)ethyl]-5-fluoroindole


or 5-F-DMT


Ive seen one study done on DMT where it was the oral dose (as opposed to taking an maoi) so Im guessing that its nearly 1:1 with DMT but somehow orally active? Ive only seen sources for it in bulk. but I have seen sources.


Ill try to dig up that study. its somewhere in my counterculture archive.Edited by: allyourbase

[fastandbulbous]

If it is active orally, it'll be because the 5-fluoro substituent prevents it from 'fitting' into the active site of MAO, thereby not making the end of the side chain accessable for enzymatic conversion (a bit like the way an alpha-methyl group does, but by a different mechanism)


I'd heard that 5-fluorotryptamine was active (but without any refs to back it, I'm not believing or disbelieving the claim) and plain tryptamine is subject to a very rapid metabolism by MAO, so I suppose it is a possibility.





As a final point, if it is active by mouth, it has the advanyage of 1) not requiring one of the MAOIs (but it may itself be an MAOI), which increase the incidence of vomiting and 2) of being outside the scope of the tryptamine derivatives paragraph of the Misuse of drugs act - it only applies to unsubstituted and ring hydroxy tryptamines (UK & Eireresidents only)

[Nagognog2]

My evil lab monkey - Bongo - took 5-Fluorotryptamine out for a test-spin some years ago. Up to 50mg were insufflated. Burn to the nasal tissue was about as bad as MDMA. Effects were a minor sedation with some brightening of colours in the visual field. It was not repeated.

[dmax]

Does anyone know where I might get more info in 5-F-DMT? Trip
reports, oral dosage, duration, all that nonsense? I like the
sound of DMT-like chemicals, although for some reason I dislike
5-meo-dmt.