Addiction - How to stop and forget?

[sinnerek21]

Hiya.
My friend SWIM's tried a lot of drugs in his life, but just know he thinks he's got a serious problem.
He's into opiates for a couple of months right now. He's experienced morphine (orally) and codeine high (co-codamol).
SWIM thinks he's losing himself. He tried to stop, it's not that hard. Once he stopped for one week but after some days associations come back.
He just can't live without it. Every single good moment makes him wanna take some codeine/morphine (mostly codeine as he actually connections to morphine any more). He misses it. He knows it actually could be funny that he got so much into codeine, but its a drug of his choice (opiates).
It makes him so calm, warm. He loves the harmony and peace he can get after opiates, everything seems so easy, thinking is so easy, it's almost like enlighment for SWIM. All the best emotions goes through SWIMS head when he's on opiates.
SWIM really misses morphine so he use codeine as he doesnt want to get into heroin because he's only 19 and got too much to lose.

He wants to stop taking it because he's lost many things coz of opiates. Things he will never be able to get back. And he feels that he's losing himself and after a while he'll get into heroin.

He used to take 40mg of morphine orally and actually takes 500-600mg of codeine, just to let you know.

sinnerek21 added 3 Minutes and 26 Seconds later...

(mostly codeine as he actually doesn't have any connections to morphine any more) Sorry for mistakes, he's really desperate right now and confused.

[sweettea]

Get help. Find a sympathetic non-judgmental someone, an organization, or a group, and say what swiyou are thinking and feeling and ask for help. There is help out there with the stopping, finding ways to curb desire, ways to manage, people to talk to and give support. As for forgetting... swiTea reckons it to be like dealing with the death of a loved one -- swiyou learn to live with it, one day at a time.

Check out http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=218 for sources.

[miggeth]

Go to swiys GP, they will refer swiy for further treatment.

[apiffini]

SWIM used to feel the same way that having Codeine everyday was necessary to get the most out of life. About a week later swim realized that doing codeine everyday became just as dull as doing anything too many times. Trust, you're better off just saving it for a rainy day or the weekend.

[3xtr4]

Originally Posted by sinnerek21

Hiya.
My friend SWIM's tried a lot of drugs in his life, but just know he thinks he's got a serious problem.
He's into opiates for a couple of months right now. He's experienced morphine (orally) and codeine high (co-codamol).
SWIM thinks he's losing himself. He tried to stop, it's not that hard. Once he stopped for one week but after some days associations come back.
He just can't live without it. Every single good moment makes him wanna take some codeine/morphine (mostly codeine as he actually connections to morphine any more). He misses it. He knows it actually could be funny that he got so much into codeine, but its a drug of his choice (opiates).
It makes him so calm, warm. He loves the harmony and peace he can get after opiates, everything seems so easy, thinking is so easy, it's almost like enlighment for SWIM. All the best emotions goes through SWIMS head when he's on opiates.
SWIM really misses morphine so he use codeine as he doesnt want to get into heroin because he's only 19 and got too much to lose.

He wants to stop taking it because he's lost many things coz of opiates. Things he will never be able to get back. And he feels that he's losing himself and after a while he'll get into heroin.

He used to take 40mg of morphine orally and actually takes 500-600mg of codeine, just to let you know.

sinnerek21 added 3 Minutes and 26 Seconds later...

(mostly codeine as he actually doesn't have any connections to morphine any more) Sorry for mistakes, he's really desperate right now and confused.

Mate your at a turning point right now, a crossroads. You can choose to go one route, which is quitting opiates and going on to live a happy and fulfilling life, or you can continue using it and end up in heroinville - which is where most people who love opiates end up regardless of what you might think at the moment.

Opiates are lovely but they're almost too good. 500-600mg of codeine is huge so next time, cut it down. Gradually cut it down so the euphoria is less but you still get the beautiful calmness.

I'm worried for you man. You came onto this forum knowing you had a problem and you must see were it is leading you. Imagine yourself in five years, in debt with no friends with nothing to show for it but some fucked up veins and the ability to say that you love opiates. It's no way to live.

Go for a walk. Get some daily routine. Start a movie collection, build a model train or whatever the fuck you have to do to chillout. Have a few beers.... just don't let opiates become your life.

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[miggeth]

Originally Posted by 3xtr4

Mate your at a turning point right now, a crossroads. You can choose to go one route, which is quitting opiates and going on to live a happy and fulfilling life, or you can continue using it and end up in heroinville - which is where most people who love opiates end up regardless of what you might think at the moment.

That's just trite nonsense, there's no reason why a person who uses opiates cannot live a happy, fulfilling life, many of us do, and indeed find it happier and more fulfilling than without. Also there's no guarentee that if a person does quit, this magical transformation will occur.

There are millions of codeine users who don't end up on heroin.

[wreakreational_addict]

Originally Posted by miggeth

That's just trite nonsense, there's no reason why a person who uses opiates cannot live a happy, fulfilling life, many of us do, and indeed find it happier and more fulfilling than without. Also there's no guarentee that if a person does quit, this magical transformation will occur.

There are millions of codeine users who don't end up on heroin.

no disrespect, but i don't know if swim would say that that's trite nonsense. of course it's possible to live a happy, fulfilling life on opiates, BUT more often than not the almighty dollar (money) becomes a big roadblock to that dream. swim knows from experience just how expensive an oxycontin habit can become. and when swim was broke & suffering from wds, guess what he began to seek out... heroin, something he NEVER would have thought he'd be doing.

if swisinnerek21 is serious about quitting, i too would suggest getting help. it won't be easy, but it's better to kick the habit now rather than waiting until swiy are really hooked.

[Tussipax]

Getting rid of opiates is a long fight. The hardest thing is to renounce to the pleasure that codeine brings.
SWIM must try to learn to live without codeine and become enough strong to come up against difficulties in his life.
Why did SWIM start to do opiates ?

[ex-junkie]

there is no magic wand. it all boils down to willpower and abstinence. there are medications which can help you to achieve your goal a little easier, but it still requires reassessing the way in which you think, react to situations, and abstain.

quick buprenorphine tapers are useful. clonidine and promethazine are also useful for the short term recovery. however the long term requires a lot of hard work and focus. most of all belief in yourself...

[miggeth]

Swim meant no disrespect either, he just gets annoyed at that turning point idea. We're all at that point, all the time, until we're dead. It just sounds like something people think people like the OP need to hear.

Addiction is a symptom of an underlying problem, not the problem itself. The idea that all one has to do is quit and a happy, fulfilling life awaits them is bullshit in swims opinion

[Spucky]

My Cat want (try?) to say that to forget something swiny enjoy is stupid and not successful, it is much better to change the point of view.
Like a Soulmate who goes in a different direction and swiny can`t follow.

And sometimes addiction is only a addiction without any problematic reason behind
Just start to make a break, have a insight-view and look why u need that kind of feeling,
why someone want to live in a tiny snailhouse when he can get all the feelings in reality?

[miggeth]

Swiy has to identify and solve the problem that made him/her turn to an addictive substance in the first place. Swiy can go through all the withdrawals and periods of abstinence in the world, but unless that problem is solved swiy will never be happy or fulfilled. Happy, fulfilled people just don't start to poison their bodies for no reason.

If that problem cannot be solved then swiy may as well just accept addiction as part if their life. Struggling against something whcih cannot be changed will bring swiy nothing but unnecessary suffering.

If that problem can be solved, addiction will take care of itself.

[cra$h]

to be honest, swim will never forget, and little things will always be a reminder of how great the high is, wether its every time you pass a spot you chill at, people you hang out with, or even the music swiy listened to while under the influence. But it seems like swiy's addiction isn't too severe, and swiy's best bet is to adopt the attitude of it was fun while it lasted, time to move on. that's what it always boils down to, people unable to move on. Quit now while your ahead, because heroin soon won't be big and scary, nor will it be far away. To the best of luck, and if swiy finds their way out of cloud 9, swim would be increadibly jelous.

[miggeth]

Originally Posted by cra$h

that's what it always boils down to, people unable to move on.

Swim agrees, there are a few swiys posting in the recovery and addiction section who, in swims opinion, have forced themselves to quit successfully, but haven't dealt with the problem that made them start to begin with and haven't managed to move on. One swiy is still talking about withdrawals after years of being clean.

It's like apiffini said earlier, sooner or later, the juice will not be worth the squeeze. If swiy continues beyond that point, then there must be underlying problems that need to be solved first. Quitting afterwards is still hard, but it seems like the natural thing to do, and moving on afterwards is a lot easier.

[PCG IV]

SWIM's never used opiates, but SWIM found a dose of San Pedro made them quit alcohol (for 5 months) a few years ago - helped SWIM to look at themself from the outside, completely objectively, realise that SWIM had a problem, looked themself in the mirror and told themself to stop - and SWIM did, with no effort at all - the daily desire to drink a bottle of wine evapourated. Sadly SWIM's opportunities to use said (and related) compounds are drastically reduced due to family commitments, but SWIM thinks there's nothing wrong (and certainly not harmful) with tripping every 3 months or to keep things clear and clean if SWIY had the opportunity - especially as cactus and morning glory is easy to grow, mushrooms are virtually everywhere and a variety of seeds for growing and brewing are readily available. Good luck with everything, hope SWIY finds their way through it all.