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What drugs, or classes of drugs even, would you like to see legalized or less restrictions taken upon?
SwiM personally does not believe that drugs such as heroin, cocaine and meth should ever be legalized although things need to change about the way we deal with them, however drugs such as marijuana and hallucinogens should be legalized for personal use in swiM's opinion because they are not known to cause physical harm and have much less abuse potential, and can be much more beneficial in one's life than say meth or coke. MDMA is also one swiM feels should be legalized, because the feelings one gets from that drug is irreplacable and there is nothing like it - experiencing MDMA is almost guaranteed to be a positive experience that will stick with a person for a long time, as long as they use it in moderation. Anyways what are swiY's thoughts? |
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Re: What drugs do you think should be legal?
Swim believes that all substances should be legal and therefore taxable. Tax revenue from drugs should be put towards drugs education initiatives and to ensuring high quality (safe and clean) drugs as well as promoting safe practices for using drugs. Money saved from the war on drugs should be used for substance rehabilitation centres for those who cannot function because of addiction to a substance.
Swim for one doesnt consider it necessary for the state to tell him what he can and can't put in his body. |
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Re: What drugs do you think should be legal?
All drugs should be legalized. Extensive information should be distributed about the risks and dangers inherent in consuming each specific substances. People willing to learn and accept the risks of consuming any given substance should be allowed to obtain it through legal and taxable channels. Recovery programs should be made freely available to people who become dependent on drugs.
The system I just described is so far off that, most likely, none of us will ever see such a system in place, anywhere in the world within our lifetimes. But it is the only sort of system that could ever really be workable and logical. |
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Re: What drugs do you think should be legal?
Swim agrees with all the above statements. Isn't one of our core abilities as humans is that we have a mind of our own? We don't need a 70 year old white ex chairman speaking on our behalf when it comes down to something swiy has the experience in.
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Re: What drugs do you think should be legal?
Good poll. SWIM believes that all drugs should at least be decriminalised but considering how popular some of the less harmful ones are, these need to be legalised entirely and taxed otherwise too much capital has been cut loose on the black market. So SWIM voted to legalise: marijuana, synth cannabinoids, opium/morphine/codeine (probably best as prescription only), amphetamine, MDMA, the 2-C's, mescaline, DMT, mushrooms, LSD and ketamine. Of course there remain questions on how best to make these drugs available. Marijuana, mescaline cactus and mushrooms should be freely available though I'm not certain about synthetic psychedelics. Perhaps there should be some sort of permission system put in place, a psychedelics license if you will.
As for cocaine, meth and heroin, I don't agree that these should be made readily available to the general public. They are largely harmful substances and their use should be discouraged. I wouldn't prosecute someone for having possession amounts or anything but I don't see how they could be sold to customers and used responsibly. If anyone has any ideas, I'm all ears. |
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Re: What drugs do you think should be legal?
Swim voted for marijuana, mushrooms, and MDMA to be legalized. These three substances could have an everlasting, positive impact on a persons life; that could make a big difference in the long run as long as they are used within reason.
Weed- Taught Swim to be a more perceptive person and to think outside the box. Also it made him be more aware of karma and not to be as selfish. Shrooms- A few good trips has been very beneficial to Swims outlook on life. Changing what was negative into a more optimistic approach on things. It really opened the world up for Swim, made him see the 'whole' of it. MDMA - With high quality stuff almost every experience has been a memorable one. Just showed Swim how to have a real good time and the bonds created off the empathy and understanding is very positive. |
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Re: What drugs do you think should be legal?
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Granted there will always be some who do end up in trouble because of their drug use. Swim always thinks of it in purely funtional terms. Can one hold down a job, friendships, relationships etc despite one's addiction or taste for a substance. By this yardstick it is fair to say that most drugs have their abusers as well as their users. The trouble with drugs being illegal is it causes the demonization of the user (not least, in the case of some harder drugs, because of the secondary crime necessary to fund an illegal habit). To that end swim believes that legalization, or at least decriminilization is the only answer. I refer you to the words of the Rolleston Comitee in 1926 that "the infinitely prolonged administration of morphine or heroin [might] be necessary [for] those[patients] who are capable of leading a useful and normal life as long as they take a certain quantity, usually small, of their drug of choice but not otherwise." A position backed up, I believe, by many heroin prescription trials since. If we accept that people will use these substances then we should make it as safe as possible as well as giving them every chance to have a functional role in society. Just swims opinion, like. |
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Re: What drugs do you think should be legal?
SwiM thinks that it must come down to the overall positive vs negative potential these compounds can have on society as a whole.
For instance methamphetamine has a degrading effect on society - it causes people to steal to fund their habit, along with causing severe (at least in relation to other drugs) physical and mental health issues. You can look at a meth addict, ex or current, and know that they used to do meth - and it don't look pretty. That's simply not the way of it with most drugs! Because of the negative impact meth has on society and on a person as a whole, swiM personally considers it a poison (a lot like nicotine!) and thus would not by any standards say that it should be 'legal' persay. Now granted, swiM doesn't think that some 70 year old man in congress should be deciding what to do about it either. But swiM has to put up that argument against all of you who say that every drug should just be legalized... As far as hallucinogens (just in general) go, the biggest issue is that some people do not react to them well. People have bad trips and people do stupid things under the influence of them. The experience is going to be with them the rest of their life (just like any experience), for better or for worse. But with proper education these risks can be minimalized and the positives potentiated. Those who choose to take a psychedelic NEED to know what they are getting themselves into beforehand so education, not criminalization, is key. --- MDMA is a very special case, and this is actually becoming even more obvious by this poll. When MDMA was criminalized, the judge hearing the case did not have much concern about the compound and ruled that it would be placed in Schedule III of the US drug scheduling system. However, the DEA administrator expressing 'concern for abuse potential' overruled the judge hearing the case and placed it, himself, in schedule I - the most restrictive category. Now how the DEA can overturn a judge's decision is beyond swiM, but he sees it as a very cowardly move because this substance has tons of positive potential that is now going to waste - especially medically where it would be a god-send for depression. Schedule III makes perfect sense for a compound like MDMA, but they had to have it their way and now we have millions of underage people taking 'ecstasy' cut with god-knows-what and dancing themselves to the point of dehydration at huge underage raves. Placing it in Schedule I did nothing but potentiate the abuse potential. Good call, DEA, good call. And that's another thing - as long as MDMA is schedule I, it will be cut with all kinds of gross stuff. It is made almost solely by underground chemists which means it's very possible for those pills to contain dangerous impurities - and that's not even getting into the other drugs (meth, opiates piperazines ketamine PMA DXM, all of which are much more dangerous than MDMA itself) that find their way into these pills! If it were schedule III as it was sposed to be, then the compound would mostly be synthesized in medical labs with proper procedures and no risk of impurities. Instead people have to take the risk of playing russian-roluette every time they roll - not to mention the hefty penalties if caught with any (swiM remembers hearing that carrying more than two pills is considered a manslaughter charge in the US!) MDMA criminalization is damn-near the entire reason the hive was ever put up. And what did we get out of it? Well, now there are about a million ways that people can synth the drug - everything from phenol to vanilla to black pepper is a potential precursor and there is nothing that anybody can do about it. And now we have an equal amount of people who trust their lives to the hands of some chemist for a night of happiness - despite all of these very serious risks that shouldn't even be. Education is the key with proper MDMA use. It does have abuse potential but if people understand that and use it in proper moderation (just like alcohol) it can have positive effects on a user and society as a whole, which is what this all comes back to. (Oops, swiM wrote too much once again )
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Re: What drugs do you think should be legal?
All of them, bottom line, drugs are a part of society and are going to be, full stop. Might as well legalize them, regulate them (tax them!) and control the quality of production.
SwiTea an interesting conversation with a 72 year old lady the other day, she agrees! Although, she's never partaken, she thinks it all should be legal and regulated! |
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Re: What drugs do you think should be legal?
Swim voted for Marijuana, Psilocybin, MDMA, Mescaline, DMT, and LSD should be legal, but not the others.
These are the substances which seem to have a complete lack of dependance, or perhaps minor dependance, and relatedly are less abusable. All of these substances, when pure and uncut, are quite difficult to overdose on, and toxicity is fairly low. These substances also generally tend to cause experience which improve or help people, when used responsibly. |
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Re: What drugs do you think should be legal?
I think MDMA, Marijuana, and Alcohol should be sold and shops and all treaded the same but with restrictions on doses, No more than 3.5 Grams of Mariguana. No more than 5 MDMA pills.
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Re: What drugs do you think should be legal?
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on topic... SWIM thinks that the more harmless(little potential for abuse and/or negligible negative effects) batch of recreational should be legalized, including marijuana, MDMA, LSD, shrooms, etc. Heroin and hard opiates shouldn't be legalized because of their extreme negative effects on the body. Plus, hard narcotics have very few recreational uses in SWIM's opinion; it seems more like a 'gotta have it' type of thing to me. |
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Re: What drugs do you think should be legal?
Of course criticism is a vital part of any healthy debate, however as your opinion was not obvious to me when i read your first post I believed that you were JUST making a blanket critiscism of all posters (regardless of their individual arguments) without offering your own opinion.
What confused me is that you aren't the only person who has espoused these views in this thread. Swim amongst others has argued the same case. As an 'admitted druggie' swim was keen to hear why someone might call him a hypocrite on the evidence of this thread. |
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Re: What drugs do you think should be legal?
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Cannabis(legalized) synthetic cannabonoids.(legalized) RC's(legalized/decrim) Mushrooms(Decrim) LSD(Decrim) Opium.(Decrim) |
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Re: What drugs do you think should be legal?
I vote that ALL drugs should be legal (but not necessarily "sold in stores" like alcohol/tobacco.) Mostly though, the naturally-occurring ones should be. How can you legislate what grows out of the ground? And in most cases, naturally-occurring versions of drugs (like opium vs. synthetic opiates) are safer due to their natural mix of complementary alkaloids that help prevent things like overdose and toxicity. It's completely ass-backwards that highly synthesized, refined single substances like Oxycontin, Fentanyl and others are perfectly legal while opium poppies/opium are illegal to grow or possess. Same goes for Marinol vs. marijuana and all the illegal and innocuous hallucinogens that occur naturally. Datura would be one major exception to the rule
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Re: What drugs do you think should be legal?
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dyingtomorrow added 8 Minutes and 25 Seconds later... Quote:
"What would you do for legalized marijuana?" Would you join full-heartedly in the false propaganda against "hard drugs"? Last edited by dyingtomorrow; 06-07-2009 at 01:23. Reason: Automerged Doublepost |
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Re: What drugs do you think should be legal?
I also voted for all drugs to be at least decriminalized because I don't think the right way to deal with a drug problem is to throw the person in jail.
The only drugs I'd advocate for being completely legalized would be the ones society would be comfortable dealing with, as with alcohol, so ideally all drugs would become completely legal. The reason I come to this conclusion is because I think alcohol, if used by the right person, can be just as bad as ANY other drug. I firmly believe that all people should have the right to decide for themselves which drugs they will put up with, not force it down everyone else's throat. |
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Re: What drugs do you think should be legal?
SwiM doesn't believe that people should be allowed to smoke meth whenever they want without having to worry, sorry. Such drugs have a negative impact upon society and would cost a fortune in tax money for rehabilitation and the like - something most countries do not have right now.
Weed and psychedelics, and even mdma would not cause nearly as many problems in society, and the weaker opiates can be useful (although if truly in pain these are easy enough to get legitimately anyways) but in the end things like crack and meth cause major problems such as increased crime (stealing, break-ins, etc) and thus a less-drastic solution should be found in regards to drugs known to increase or be associated with other crime. |
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Re: What drugs do you think should be legal?
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Let's face it, as long as there is government, the "hard drugs" will always face the scrutiny of heavily enforced prohibition, and to believe otherwise is being ignorant. To say "if all drugs were legalized everything would be better" is a blind statement. To be clear, I'm not dissing on "hard drug" users or the drugs themselves, I simply believe that society as a whole would never be able to handle such responsibility with that type of freedom. |
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Re: What drugs do you think should be legal?
Everything should be legal and taxed.
With good educationa nd harm reduction, people will be able to make there own minds. It can't just change over night as there is years of education missing. your man on hte street knows nothing about drugs. The small % of people who have problems can be helped with money raised by the goverments taxation. all that this prohibition is doing is harming users who are taking dodgy and cut drugs. |
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Re: What drugs do you think should be legal?
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First, "crack and meth cause major problems such as increased crime" primarily because its a crime to possess them. Take that away, price drops like a bomb, and there goes the increased crime. That is simple cause and effect math. Your very arbitrary line drawing - weed and psychs on one side, crank and meth (and I assume coke) on the other - is just that, arbitrary. What's the standard? How do you even begin to account for all the dozens of factors? What about new sugar free diet meth, is that okay if its not sold on Sunday? Don't know what to say regarding your suggestion that more tax money would be spent for drug rehabilitation than it currently is for prohibition, other than that every credible analysis shows otherwise. As does basic common sense - prohibition, and all the overhead and useless cottage industries it has enabled (prisons, jails, vice squads, drug testing, even rehab centers themselves), is fucking enormous $$$$$$$$$$$$.$$ by any measure. Its also been shown that drug usage does not significantly increase when prohibition is relaxed. Also, philosophically, barring some drugs while allowing others doesn't jive with many of the more fundamental policies and goals of a free society, but you didn't go there, so........ |
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Re: What drugs do you think should be legal?
Swim thinks everything should be legal.
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Re: What drugs do you think should be legal?
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And look, have you ever personally seen people who have used meth? You can SEE it, in the subtle but always-increasing changes a person's body goes through when they have a meth addiction. They're more prone to infection because their immune system can't function properly. When someone quits meth, or crack or heroin after being addicted to it, they get sick. They throw up, they can't work, they can't move off the fucking couch. People throw away their LIVES on drugs like that - people sell their homes, spend their children's college money, to get more crack. And if swiY thinks swiM is talking out his ass, he's not he's personally seen it happen! SwiM knows a person who used to smoke and sell crack for YEARS, got caught one day and was forced to piss in a bottle at random intervals once a month for more than 5 years. The day he went free he went straight back to crack, with a 3 year old kid and all. Guy would smoke it out of some metal tool he had, with the kid running back and forth around the trailer. Then he'd just spook out for awhile, and maybe 20 minutes later hit it again, all day long. Speaking of that, swiM knows a guy who can't see his kid because he's addicted to, and been in jail for, meth. The same guy got caught trying to steal (very expensive) electronics from a warehouse. SwiM knows people who have tried to commit suicide after trying to come off a meth addiction. SwiM has to put his bike inside and lock the doors and windows when swiM leaves because the crackheads across the street might try to break in AGAIN or steal his bike AGAIN. Ever drive down a neighborhood in which all the houses are barely standing, shoes hanging from the powerlines over the worst looking house on the street? Go down one of those streets in a city like Houston, and tell swiM that drugs like crack and meth didn't have something to do with it. Does swiY know anyone who they can't trust around their stuff, because they will try to grab and sell/pawn anything they can get their hands on for more drugs? Anyone who always asks swiY for money because they need their fix? ---- This line I am drawing is not arbritrary, it is huge! These drugs have an absolutely degrading effect upon society, unlike drugs like pot and mushrooms, and even mdma. And swiY's right, there is a whooooollllleeeeee lot of money in these drugs - wanna know why that is? It's because a coke dealer can buy coke at one price and sell it for 500% profit (either as powder or freebase), or more, and people will still buy it so that they don't have to go through the absolute hell of having to ever come down. SwiM once heard an example of a guy who worked his whole life to earn his home and the things he had, only to find that his neighbor, half his age was able to buy his house by selling coke. That's not right man, no matter how one looks at it. Now granted throwing the users in jail perhaps isn't doing much good either, but legalizing such drugs would be a whole lot worse. SwiM likes the idea of rehab but one must remember that even then, we're the ones who end up paying the taxes. And yes one can make the argument that not everybody who uses such drugs will get addicted - but too many do! Think about what you're saying when you say you want to see those kinds of drugs completely legalized! One more thing, swiM isn't masquerading (aka talking out of his ass), this is merely swiM's educated opinion on the matter based on what swiM has seen and experienced, in swiM's own life and the world around him. SwiY's welcome to have his/her own opinion but please don't attack my viewpoints and say I'm pretending to know something I know nothing about because your opinion is that these drugs should be legal. Instead, give your own educated and reasonable explanation why you think that way and if your points are equally valid then I might just agree with them. Last edited by Greenport; 09-07-2009 at 00:32. Reason: oops that's plural |
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Re: What drugs do you think should be legal?
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What you are trying to suggest is that ending prohibition would increase the number of abusers so drastically that all the costs benefits would be erased. My experiences, and to me basic common sense, suggest that is flat out wrong. You really think there are that many people out there who would like to do coke or meth but don't because its illegal? In any case, studies I find credible conclude that the abuse rate would have to practically quadruple (which is absurd) before costs benefits for legalization would be lost. And those are just the benefits that can be monetized, and exclude philosophical reasons like freedom and self-determination that Western cultures are based upon. Quote:
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Re: What drugs do you think should be legal?
Marijuana - It's a plant and it makes you feel good
. It is also far less harmful than most legal drugs, so it only seems logical that it should be legal.Mushrooms - They grow all over the place where I live. It is useless trying to ban something that is so common. Once again they are considerably less harmful than many legal drugs. Most people that take them have a positive experience that allows them to explore the nature of their own perceptions/reality. I don't see any reason why they should be illegal. In general I think the government should be spending less money on prohibition of drugs and more money on harm reduction such as funding for rehabilitation centers etc. No drugs really need to be illegal in my opinion. |
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