Culture - American heroin types

[mickey_bee]

Swim is confused.

As far as he understands, swimmers in the US get two distinct types of gear.

The good stuff, no.4, on the east coast, and the less good stuff, black tar, on the west coast.

Swim doesn't understand this however. Why do swimmers on the east coast get heroin that's come all the way from SE Asia, whereas swimmers on the west coast just get heroin from Mexico/S America?

Surely even Afghani heroin like we get in Europe would make more sense than no.4 geographically, for the East coast of the US....

So my question is why? Why does the east coast get heroin alllll the waaaaaay from SE Asia, when there is heroin (albeit it crappier) from simply south of the border?

[dyingtomorrow]

Heroin No. 4 comes from Columbia generally. Black tar from Mexico.

Oh, how careless of international brotherhood I am!

Generalmente, heroina "numero quatro" esta de Colubmia, y "chiva" (heroina de alquitrán negro) esta de Mexico.

(Hwhwh, needed to look up "tar" but that was it - see, the American public education system is good for something - distinguishing en espanol between heroin types )

[mickey_bee]

So pretty much all of the heroin in the US comes from America itself?
EDIT: swim thought that Columbia was relatively new to producing mass quantities of heroin.

[dyingtomorrow]

Originally Posted by mickey_bee

So pretty much all of the heroin in the US comes from America itself?
EDIT: swim thought that Columbia was relatively new to producing mass quantities of heroin.

Yah, as far as I know we get very small amounts of Asian heroin. Too bad. I could be wrong though. I do know that Columbia = No. 4 and Mexico = Tar though.

[wreakreational_addict]

swim just read a newspaper article about heroin in swims area. it said most of it here comes from the dominican rep. and columbia, some of it from afghanistan. i've never seen any tar sold on the streets though, which leads me to believe that maybe the s. americans are making some decent stuff these days. i dunno tho.

[xxdan123xx]

Swim has seen two types.. White and brown prosumably both no4. not sure.. some times the white will be out of this word amazing and the brown will be crap but just as often its the other way around.. Curious about tar tho would like to try it one day.

[m.swinehart81]

Everything where swim is at is tar. Shitty shitty tar... The last stuff swim got was so cut up with sugar that if it got even a little bit warm it turned into goo. Swim was upset about this due to the fact that he bought 5 grams of the crap...

[Chromo]

My lizard wouldn't know anything about No.4 because he's been in AZ all his life, meaning here all we get is black tar from Mexico. In defense of the tar, the quality greatly differs, he's gotten stuff cut with instant coffee that was pure crap, some cut with mucho lactose that makes it a tan color, then there's the really dark black stuff that seems to be the most pure. While it makes a lot of sense that black tar is all that's around here (being 60 miles from the Mexican border where it originates), I'm not sure why the East coast has No.4 instead of tar. Could be something to do with different drug cartel control and all that.

[zulu1690]

swim feels that swim is lucky to live in birmingham where top quality gear can be found 99% of the time,very lucky indeed.swim is always bumping in to out of town swimmers who would be paying well over the odds if swimmers bought from their own locality.

[Randomdanceing]

Swim is fortunate that he lives in florida, He could get both.
And swim knows some people who have links to some people that live in EU so swim can gets to choose.

[rideclever]

idk where swiys are in swim is in CO and both types are here.

[ReneeJW]

When SWIM lived in NYC/Ohio 8 years back it was all #4, same for East Coast and Detroit- and its really really good most of the time, and cheap. In TX and CA its always tar. Last time SWIM was in Ohio, only tar was available, SWIM guesses the Mexicans got inroads into Ohio, which is a bummer since SWIM prefers #4.

[phdavid4]

when swim lived at deep south south texas(like 10 mins away from mexico), all he saw was tar and alway like 80% and up(and always he happy ) and now he FL.

[RoflFries]

Originally Posted by mickey_bee

Swim is confused.

As far as he understands, swimmers in the US get two distinct types of gear.

The good stuff, no.4, on the east coast, and the less good stuff, black tar, on the west coast.

Swim doesn't understand this however. Why do swimmers on the east coast get heroin that's come all the way from SE Asia, whereas swimmers on the west coast just get heroin from Mexico/S America?

Surely even Afghani heroin like we get in Europe would make more sense than no.4 geographically, for the East coast of the US....

So my question is why? Why does the east coast get heroin alllll the waaaaaay from SE Asia, when there is heroin (albeit it crappier) from simply south of the border?

Tar isn't necessarily less good. Or swims dealer just doesnt cut his shit up too redunkulously. Swims gotten pretty fucked up off tar where just one hit has got you nodding out. H is H just handled and processed differently all heroin is pure at one point in time, then gets handed down from major seller to big buyers then distrubuted to runners. In each proccess cut down god knows how many times with god knows what kind of shit.

[phdavid4]

Originally Posted by RoflFries

Tar isn't necessarily less good. Or swims dealer just doesnt cut his shit up too redunkulously. Swims gotten pretty fucked up off tar where just one hit has got you nodding out. H is H just handled and processed differently all heroin is pure at one point in time, then gets handed down from major seller to big buyers then distrubuted to runners. In each proccess cut down god knows how many times with god knows what kind of shit.

true. swim has gotting tar so good, that the rush so hard that made him fell to the ground. and theres other times that the rush takes a little longer to kick in.
I guess it matter where you live to see how good is your stuff or sometimes be lucky that your dealer will get his hand with something to die for

[Dr. Amapola]

SWIM is a long-time opiate enthusiast and has a lot of experience with Heroin, and researches worldwide drug trafficking as a hobby.

Currently, in this year of 2009, about 90% of the world's heroin is produced & exported by Afghanistan. The other 10% of heroin production & export is divided up between South-East Asia, mainly Burma (Myanmar) and Thailand, and from Central America, mainly Columbia, and Mexico. Of course, there are surely many other places where heroin is manufactured, but these countries are the hot spots. However, as of 2009, the DEA has reported that Afghanistan currently owns the world heroin trade.

With that said, there is NO WAY that the thousands of pounds of the better No. 4 heroin that are smuggled into the USA every year could be from Columbia or central America. Sure, some of the heroin on US streets is from the places other than Afghanistan that were mentioned previously, but the odds of large supplies of non-Afghan heroin being spread over large metropolitan areas are very slim according to current statistics and DEA studies.

If you score off-white powdered No. 4 heroin on the streets of the US, especially on the east coast near cities, your stuff is almost definitely from Afghanistan. Most Afghan heroin [reportedly] is smuggled across vast distances, traveling thousands of miles of deserts, cities, rivers and oceans and finally coming into the US, usually through two major marine port hot-spots; New York City and Southern Florida OR via air freight, usually privately owned.

On the subject of Afghan heroin, because there is obviously a huge war breaking out there right now between the US and the rebel Taliban, the now prosperous poppy growing and subsequently heroin production may suffer greatly as a result of Americans getting involved with the Afghan government to weed-out opium & heroin production.

Another chapter in the heroin history book ends and another begins!

[dyingtomorrow]

Originally Posted by Dr. Amapola

SWIM is a long-time opiate enthusiast and has a lot of experience with Heroin, and researches worldwide drug trafficking as a hobby.

Currently, in this year of 2009, about 90% of the world's heroin is produced & exported by Afghanistan. The other 10% of heroin production & export is divided up between South-East Asia, mainly Burma (Myanmar) and Thailand, and from Central America, mainly Columbia, and Mexico. Of course, there are surely many other places where heroin is manufactured, but these countries are the hot spots. However, as of 2009, the DEA has reported that Afghanistan currently owns the world heroin trade.

With that said, there is NO WAY that the thousands of pounds of the better No. 4 heroin that are smuggled into the USA every year could be from Columbia or central America. Sure, some of the heroin on US streets is from the places other than Afghanistan that were mentioned previously, but the odds of large supplies of non-Afghan heroin being spread over large metropolitan areas are very slim according to current statistics and DEA studies.

If you score off-white powdered No. 4 heroin on the streets of the US, especially on the east coast near cities, your stuff is almost definitely from Afghanistan. Most Afghan heroin [reportedly] is smuggled across vast distances, traveling thousands of miles of deserts, cities, rivers and oceans and finally coming into the US, usually through two major marine port hot-spots; New York City and Southern Florida OR via air freight, usually privately owned.

On the subject of Afghan heroin, because there is obviously a huge war breaking out there right now between the US and the rebel Taliban, the now prosperous poppy growing and subsequently heroin production may suffer greatly as a result of Americans getting involved with the Afghan government to weed-out opium & heroin production.

Another chapter in the heroin history book ends and another begins!

SWIM knows that heroin in Chicago mostly comes from Columbia, but Chicago is the only place in the country really that gets it from all 4 major sources. At least according to this DEA website that I can't find right now.

druglibrary.org/schaffer/dea/pubs/intel/swa_heroin.htm
usdoj.gov/ndic/pubs/652/heroin.htm



"Four foreign source areas produce the heroin available in the United States: South America (Colombia), Mexico, Southeast Asia (principally Burma), and Southwest Asia (principally Afghanistan). However, South America and Mexico supply most of the illicit heroin marketed in the United States. South American heroin is a high-purity powder primarily distributed to metropolitan areas on the East Coast. Heroin powder may vary in color from white to dark brown because of impurities left from the manufacturing process or the presence of additives. Mexican heroin, known as "black tar," is primarily available in the western United States. The color and consistency of black tar heroin result from the crude processing methods used to illicitly manufacture heroin in Mexico. Black tar heroin may be sticky like roofing tar or hard like coal, and its color may vary from dark brown to black"

justice.gov/dea/concern/heroin.html

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[InstantKarma]

Swim lived in AZ for about 9 months and got some decent tar sometimes...however for the most part it was of much much lower quality than what she started on (and is back to) in NJ (no 4). Then again the DEA says NJ has the purest in the US. From what swim has experienced in various cities thats true.

[Broxy]

swim was on holiday in las vegas begining of june and within ten mins managed to score . The guy told swim it was pretty good tar so swim scored xx dollars worth , had a choice of 20 , 40 , 60 , so swim thought for xx he would get a good fat lump. Opened the balloon when getting back to the hotel to find probably .2 of a g in silver foil, which was wrapped in a fag paper in the balloon as swim has already mentioned. Was raging at being ripped , but went mental at the quality. Swim prepared the foil as usual put the black tar on the foil and smoked, YUK, it tasted of a sweet vinegar , very mild on the throat, and it frazzled and spat as swim chased in the usual manner . Quality .. 1-10 absolute rubbish. i know swim was a tourist and prob had a big dollar sign above his head but it was ridiculous. what is the tar usually like in vegas in particular ? and also what would a native have got for xx sheets? sorry if this was off topic , but swim imagines not many brits would have encountered tar so swim is describing his own experience with the filth he ended up with . Still remember the guys name .

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[$limJim]

It is my understanding that tar heroin is made up of a lot of other shit than just heroin, as in shit left over from the extraction process. Meaning that it may be only 20% heroin, but the other 80% would be other opium analogues (or more like 40%, plus 40% cut).

I think that the mexicans just don't use proper refining methods. I have heard that white and powder heroin is usually refined from morphine, whereas black tar is made straight from opium, which would explain why it is such an opium-like substance.

Where swim is at he can get both, although China White is much more popular.

[mickey_bee]

Regarding Dr. Amapola's post, swim doesn't really see how it is possible that the No.4 heroin in the US is manufactured in Afghanistan.
This is simply because, within Afghanistan, the only heroin produced is powdered No.3. The clandestine heroin labs in the hills of Afghanistan and Pakistan simply don't possess the know-how or chemicals to produce no.4.
It is pretty well known that the only heroin exported from Afghanistan is powdered no.3. It's also pretty well known that almost all of this is exported to Europe, and rarely makes it's way anywhere outside of the continent.

You've got some pretty duff information there Dr! (A bit like my own doctor....)

[$limJim]

no.3 is the base shit that has to be cooked with acid, isn't it?

[SmokeNmirrors]

Yeah swim always wondered why that was. Like how in Europe they have to use citric and in the states we don't. Thank god swim lives on the east coast

[$limJim]

Aye, smokenmirrors. Even better where Slim is at (more variety), right it the middle.

[chinpokomaster]

Tar can actually be more potent due to the high 6-MAM content.