Speed compared to Coke

[Ant-Man]

You can achieve a completely different perspective on coke and speed......


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[RealGanjaMan]

This is strictly my personal opinion... and I know that if one is after a certain high, or a certain feeling, nothing will stop him. However, I would stay away from speed and coke. Coke is just too addicting, SWIM tried it once and vowed never to do it again. He simply enjoyed the feeling too much. Speed on the other hand, fucks with your mind (at least for SWIM). When swim is 'on' speed, he feels like hes king of the world, like nothing can bring him down, like he knows everything, its sort of a false sense of well-being. Not like the actual feeling of well-being that SWIM experiences on various drugs such as cannabis and hallucingens like shrooms and acid. And then, after a while, this feeling starts to wear away (when comign down). Then swim finds a HUGE desire/craving for more speed. Usually, this leads swim to taking more speed, which he thinks will make him feel better. Usually, it just sort of makes it worse. It brings him up a tiny bit, only to turn around and plunge him deeper into shit then he was before. He then finds he feels like shit untill he gets a full night of sleep + a good meal + vitamins the next morning.

Not my idea of fun (speed, that is).
So now, he only takes it when 'neccisary', for study purposes. Although not really 'neccisary' swim finds when he has to do an impossible amount of work in a impossible amount of time, it helps him cope with his focus/ADD problems. So that is the only reason SWIM uses that nasty drug anymore.





-RGM

[TXRoughneck]

This is what SWIX told me:
Coke can be extremely addictive in a single session. Once one starts, they find it very difficult to stop until the supply is depleted. When using IV, it is nearly impossible (mentally) to force oneself to stop unless there is no more. This problem is multiplied by the short-acting nature of Coke. To maintain its effects, one needs to use it in intervals of 10 to 40 minutes.

After recovering from the effects of Coke (which usually takes at least 4 hours), one can make a rational decision to use, or not, depending on the circumstances. One may continue to crave the drug for years after use is discontinued, but they don't feel any physical need to use.

Speed, having a much longer half-life in the body, does not require repeated dosing every 10 minutes to maintain its effects. Also, due to the way speed affects the brain, one is more able to rationally decide when to stop, especially after gaining some experience with the drug. Though one may choose to continue using the drug as a tool (e.g. to get through the workday after a night of no sleep), one may just as easily choose to chill out and sleep when there are no other motives to use the drug. The psychological need to use the drug in extended sessions is not as evident as it is in Coke.

Extended and regular use of speed may disrupt sleep / wake cycles and energy levels for years after its use is discontinued. It is unknown whether this is a psychological or hormonal / physical problem.

SWIX also said that this analysis is incomplete, and that he is conducting further research into the effects of both drugs.

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Well said.

[fishinabottle]

Meth and coke:

Cocaine is a dopamine reuptake inhibitor and methamphetamine releases dopamine. Not everybody likes the combination.

On an interesting sidenote: There was a study times ago and it was found out that even long term cocaine users cannot discern a IV dose of amphetamine from a IV dose of cocaine. Oh! Of course they will have found out after about four hours when they were still up and going on speed when they expected the nasty comedown and craving for more known from coke.

[Jamiroquai]

methamphetamine is a dopamine reuptake inhibitor and releases dopamine.

[WrtngCocaineTutorial]

Originally Posted by fishinabottle

There was a study times ago and it was found out that even long term cocaine users cannot discern a IV dose of amphetamine from a IV dose of cocaine.

I'm not sure if we've seen the same study, but the coke/speed study I've seen, were they couldn't know the difference used very low doses

[WrtngCocaineTutorial]

think a coke tolerant person would also be tolerant to speed?

[fishinabottle]

Originally Posted by WrtngCocaineTutorial

think a coke tolerant person would also be tolerant to speed?

Not so much as a speed tolerant person is tolerant to coke. Or so to say for a real speedfreak coke doesn´t do much after the experiences of my dog and it´s pack.

My dog himself got the impression that coke - in special freebased - is much more an ego booster then speed and the attraction to people differs exactly along this line: Those who are mainly after an ego boost prefered coke and those who wanted activity boosetd prefered amph. The raise of crystal meth (d-methamphetamine) with it´s high mind blowing potential makes this differenciation difficult though.
Actually it is hard to talk about "speed" in a generic way.

Personally I wish back the days when speed was benzedrin or pervitin (d-amphetamine or d/l-methamphetamine) and was either ingested, snorted or IV´d. Never smoked.

[Nagognog2]

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[WrtngCocaineTutorial]

checked out the study I saw. they used 10mg dextro, and 8-10mg coke. both IV.

normal IV coke dose is supposed to be 25-200mg
don't know how big a normal IV dextro dose is..


It's not where I saw it, but I found it again here:
"Individuals who have used cocaine have difficulty distinguishing between the subjective effects of 8 to 10 milligrams of cocaine and 10 milligrams of dextroamphetamine [Dexedrine] when both are administered intravenously."

[WrtngCocaineTutorial]

hehhe, was that a no, they're not cross tolerant?

[fishinabottle]

It was a "partially".
My dog says that if he is high on meth then coke does basically nothing at all for him, but when on coke meth will still hit him heavily into the head.

[speedman]

Better, because you don't go insane and kill people because you need another line every 20 minutes.

[DrMuffy]

I have tried speed (unless you count dextroamphetamine) but i LOVE coke, but I think speed has an advantage in this poll, it should be speed vs. crack, now theres a close competition

[Octo42o]

once doing AMPs and Meth, coke turns into such a drag. Meth/amps are cheaper, more potent and you can swallow food.

SWIM use to be a mass cokehead, it was a bad addiction he was over it. Then some friends gave him some tweak one night, he never felt anything better. The burn the drip was a rush it self, then he felt the tweak hit.

SWIMs advice stick to coke. . .

WrtngCocaineTutorial- A coke tolerant person wouldnt be tolerant to speed. Esp meth, Dopamine and Seratonin are released in greater doses over a longer period of time on amphetamines. THe high is different. A Speedfreak,like SWIM will very rarely do coke only cus it gets him cracky, not so euphoric and he then reaches for the amps. Coke is too weak for Speedfreaks.

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