Drug info - Pills Containing Hordenine (CAS No. 539-15-1) , PSUE D-10 and DMAA effects??

[happywhiterabbit]

Hello everyone
Swim found some pills over the internet, and wanted to know what Swiy thought... I asked for some info on the pills content here is what they said:

"Hello,
Thankyou for your enquiry to Blahblahblah.


In response to your enquiry, Ingredients include DMAA, PSUE D-10
and Hordenine along with a range of other herbal extracts.
I hope this helps with your pending order.

Have an amazing day.

Peace and Love "

Found over the internet:
CAS No.539-15-1
Chemical Name:Hordenine
Synonyms:AKOS 227-22;Anhalin;Anhaline;Cactine;Eremursine;Hordenin;Ho rdetin;N,N-Dimethyl-2-(4-hydroxyphenyl)ethylamine;N,N-Dimethyl-4-hydroxy-beta-phenethylamine;N,N-Dimethyl-p-hydroxyphenethylamine;N,N-Dimethyltyramine;Ordenina;Ordenine;p-[2-(Dimethylamino)ethyl]phenol;Peyocactine;Phenol, 4-[2-(dimethylamino)ethyl]-;Phenol, p-[2-(dimethylamino)ethyl]-;p-Hydroxy-N,N-dimethylphenethylamine;p-[2-(dimethylamino)ethyl]phenol sulphate;N,N-dimethyl-p-hydroxyphenylethyl CBNumber:CB4747471
Molecular Formula:C10H15NO


Swim's pet rabbits would like to know what u think or what u found ...
Have a Great day

[Alfa]

What is the name of this product? IS there a product picture?

[happywhiterabbit]

Swim said the names on the sellers web site are Bunnies...but can also be found stalions, crownies, dolphins... its somekinda Noes ark
Swim said you could chose the color of the product ... here is the images found in the web site . Swim thinks they're bad copies of famous illegal products...
and

[Alfa]

Oh crap! They are trying to pass of hordenine pills as ecstasy! Its the same scam as with the piperazine pills. This will surely have DMAA and hordenine follow the same path to a ban, as BZP.

[0utrider]

wait - hordenine as in hoodia gordonii ?? would that even do anything to a swimmer? or did i not catch the hook that the true ingredient is a "herbal" ...

[happywhiterabbit]

Swim told me It actually doesn t say anything about the content on the sellers site... maybe to prevent the ban??
stuff found on Hordenine

"Pharmacological effects of hordenine
Dtsch Tierarztl Wochenschr. 1995 Jun;102(6):228-32. Institut fur Pharmakologie, Toxikologie und Pharmazie, Tierarztlichen Hochschule Hannover.
After ingestion of plants with hordenine may be detected in blood or urine of horses. Hordenine liberates norepinephrine from stores. In isolated organs and those structures with reduced epinephrine contents the hordenine effect is only very poor. Experiments in intact animals (rats, dogs) show that hordenine has a positive inotropic effect upon the heart, increases systolic and diastolic blood pressure, peripheral blood flow volume, inhibits gut movements but has no effect upon the psychomotorical behaviour of mice. All effects are short and only possible after high doses which are not to be expected after ingestion of hordenine containing feed for horses. A measurable increase of the performance of racing horses is quite improbable.

Hordenine: pharmacology, pharmacokinetics and behavioural effects in the horse.
Equine Vet J. 1990 Nov;22(6):437-41. Kentucky Equine Drug Research Program, Graduate Center in Toxicology, University of Kentucky, Lexington
We investigated the pharmacological actions of hordenine in the horse. Hordenine (2.0 mg/kg bodyweight [bwt]) was administered by rapid intravenous (iv) injection to 10 horses. Typically, dosed horses showed a flehmen response and defecated within 60 seconds. All horses showed substantial respiratory distress. Respiratory rates increased about 250 per cent and heart rates were approximately double that of resting values. All animals broke out in a sweat shortly after iv injection, but basal body temperature was not affected. These effects were transient, and the animals appeared normal within 30 minuntes of dosing. Treated horses were tested in a variable interval responding apparatus 30 mins after dosing and no residual stimulation or depressant effects of hordenine were apparent. Animals dosed orally with 2.0 mg/kg bwt of hordenine showed no changes in heart rate, respiratory rate, basal body temperature or behaviour. After iv injection of hordenine, (2.0 mg/kg bwt) plasma reached a maximum value of about 1.0 micrograms/ml, and declined thereafter in a biexponential fashion."

Doesnt seem like a really interesting substance, what does swiy think about such a substance ??

[Potter]

N,N-dimethyl-4-hydroxyphenylethylamine, It's a 2C phenylethylamine with a stupid hydroxyl group that keeps it from hitting the 5-HT2 receptor. It's present in sprouted barley and I wonder if it may have had something to do with the Book of Ezekial?

[Handle]

Originally Posted by Potter

N,N-dimethyl-4-hydroxyphenylethylamine, It's a 2C phenylethylamine with a stupid hydroxyl group that keeps it from hitting the 5-HT2 receptor. It's present in sprouted barley and I wonder if it may have had something to do with the Book of Ezekial?

Lysergic acid from mouldy rye, now a mescaline relative from barley! I should be eating more cereal....

Hordenine, in all seriousness, is found in several species of...Coryphantha, is that right, and Echinocereus. Basically poor man's peyote cousins, which makes sense, it being a phenylethylamine and all.