Opinions - best anxiety medication?

[missparkles]

Sparkles didn't leave the rep, but she'd like to explain.
It is possible to get high on benzo's and sleeping tablets. Sparkles gateway drug was diazepam, and she also took nitrazepam too, both made her high. That's why these drugs are so addictive, physically and psychologically.
When used at their therapeutic dose they will make a person feel relaxed and calm. But even then,some people will feel euphoria, enjoy it and up their dose, then they have a good chance of becoming addicted to them.
Hope this explanation helped?
Take care.
Sparkles.

[war209]

Originally Posted by missparkles

Sparkles didn't leave the rep, but she'd like to explain.
It is possible to get high on benzo's and sleeping tablets. Sparkles gateway drug was diazepam, and she also took nitrazepam too, both made her high. That's why these drugs are so addictive, physically and psychologically.
When used at their therapeutic dose they will make a person feel relaxed and calm. But even then,some people will feel euphoria, enjoy it and up their dose, then they have a good chance of becoming addicted to them.
Hope this explanation helped?
Take care.
Sparkles.

Is the high and euphoria like smoking crack or meth?

[missparkles]

No, Sparkles didn't find it anything like crack or meth. It was more like a mentally numbing high, if that makes sense? Sparkles found she was relaxed, not caring, but her feelings were numbed. They also gave her confidence, lots of it. UTSE, there are excellent topics at DF that give all of the info the OP is looking for.
Hope that helps.
Sparkles.

[war209]

Originally Posted by missparkles

No, Sparkles didn't find it anything like crack or meth. It was more like a mentally numbing high, if that makes sense? Sparkles found she was relaxed, not caring, but her feelings were numbed. They also gave her confidence, lots of it. UTSE, there are excellent topics at DF that give all of the info the OP is looking for.
Hope that helps.
Sparkles.

sorry I psoted it and than read my post again that crack and meth is upper and we are talking about sleeping pills and anxiety pills.but too late I got reply.

Yes meth and crack gives you boost of energy , talkative , full of energy and feel like superman .But that not what I'm talking about has uppers do not make you calm and relax has they are stimulants.

So if sleeping pills and anxiety pills make you calm and relax than that was what you where saying.

The pleasure feeling that last for less than 2 minutes when smoking meth or smoking crack is the same has sleeping pills and anxiety pills .

I hop I understand you that that what you where trying to say.

war209 added 8 Minutes and 50 Seconds later...

Originally Posted by Mista-enigma

Swim used Xanax for years with no real problems...although they made swim tired also .Swim would suggest Swiy to research Klonipin and Valium.For Episodal Anxiety these are good .....whatever the opposite of Episodal is ....I geuss Acute Anxiety.....Anxiety that does not really go away but stays with someone for prolonged periods of time require other scripts I think , Such as Paxil and other meds,Swim is not sure about these.But the Klonopin was very similar to that of alprazolam but a little less intense.Swiy should give this one a good look-see. Good Luck

Lots of people smoke pot to be calm and relax when one has anxiety. And many drink alot when one has anxiety.

But drinking is kinda funny has some people can be calm and relax but can also make some people depressed after or what to fight.Look at all the bar fights and family domestic.The drinking is strange has it can be very calm and relax or make some one mad ,moody ,depressed or argumentative or want to fiight.

I never see people do this when smoking pot.

[Space Numpty]

Originally Posted by war209

Is the high and euphoria like smoking crack or meth?

Not atall. Benzo's are a "downer", crack and meth are "uppers". Whilst there may be similarities with the "euphoria", afterall euphoria is euphoria, benzos will make you sluggish and uncoordinated whilst crack and meth will focus your coordination and reactions. Being "high" on benzos is similar to being drunk in SWIM's opinion. Also the last thing SWIM would ever suggest for anxiety is cannabis. Cannabis, unless you are smoking utter crap can easily exasperate feelings of anxiety. Not good advice.

[bosch man]

Stress related anxiety then CBT, life disrupting anxiety then benzo and CBT....if like my dog cbt doesnt work then benzo indefinately according to his vet, whatever gets you out of the house and living is far more important than addiction...yes my dog is addicted to LIVING. Some need medication to function and one should not feel guilty unless you are deliberately abusing, for that my dog says you deserve what you get from messing with benzo's.

[missparkles]

No one should ever feel guilty for legitimate use of any meds. Sometimes, if the stress isn't screwing with a persons life substantially, then non med options, if they're available, are always the best "first" choice.
If you can use therapy, in any form, and not have to take an addictive drug, it's gotta be preferable.
No one deserves addiction...no one, even if they are abusing meds. They usually do it cos they have a problem. That's another reason drugs are not always the best choice. If someone has emotional issues, drugs, and possible addiction, just add to the problem.
Sparkles.

[bosch man]

Kava kava is proven very bad for the liver

[missparkles]

Not sure it's been proven that Kava Kava is bad for the liver, but it's good to remind people to be aware. Just cos it's a natural remedy, doesn't mean it's harmless when mixed with other drugs. St. Johns Wort is another natural remedy that has to be used carefully.

Recently, concerns have been raised about kava's safety. France and Switzerland's regulatory drug agencies have outlawed kava completely, while Germany has made it available only by prescription. The United States' CDC has released a report (available on the internet) expressing reservations about the use of kava and its possibly adverse side effects (specifically severe hepatic toxicity). Some counter that the cases resulting in the hepatic liver toxicity included concomitant use of alcohol or other drugs. Another claim is that kava extracts used by patients experiencing liver toxicity were made with solvents other than the traditional water and that the whole plant was used rather than just the roots. The issue is controversial and debate is fueled by economic interests of kava-exporting nations of the pacific ocean as well as disagreements between the medical establishment and proponents of herbal medicine. There is ongoing research into the causes of kava liver toxicity and why it apparently does not affect traditional kava users but no conclusive results are available at this time (Nov 2004).

http://www.economicexpert.com/a/Kava.html
Sparky.

[halothanatos]

Originally Posted by bosch man

Kava kava is proven very bad for the liver

Source?

From what I've read, there were only a handful of incidents concerning kava and liver damage, and these were all from extracts. Pure root has never been proven, or even shown any evidence, to cause liver damage.

In Pacific islands where kava is consumed by many daily, there is no trend of of any problems traceable to kava consumption.

[Piglet]

Experience has taught me that although benzodiazipines ARE very effective in treating anxiety, they are worse than opioids during withdrawal. I would recommend the relatively new medication Buspar (containing buspirone) that acts via a totally different mechanism. It doesn't work in 20 minutes odd like benzos, it takes a couple of weeks to exert its full effect but it IS as effective and you will not suffer any serious withdrawal problems.
Opiate withdrawal makes you feel like you are dying, makes you feel you would rather die, but benzodiazipine withdrawal really can kill you. Seizures and such really can be fatal.

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Good explanation, clear and concise.

[bosch man]

We must point out the actual death from benzo withdrawal is very rare, although one death is too many

[missparkles]

No, seizures from benzo W/D aren't usually fatal, but the damage the seizure can cause is very real.
I believe people have been known to sustain brain damage, from seizures occurring as a result of abrupt cessation of benzo's.
Sparky.

[Lamb]

The best SWIM has had was Heminevrin, what alcoholics can take to get them off the booze. They were also harder to come off in terms of withdrawal symptoms,due to SWIM abusing them after loving the feeling and taking them for far, far longer than you should, and they were also therefor more addictive to SWIM than the alocohol. They were short lasting in effect as well and they often made SWIM sleepy afterwards.

SWIM wouldn't recommend them ever because SWIM relied on them way too much and as with most drugs they end up causing much more harm if abused. But they were great for anxiety tbh but the anxiety when SWIM ran out was worse than anything he's felt. Even drinking heavily didn't cure that anxiety, only more heminevrin worked.

So they are great if you have an endless supply and don't care what they are doing to you, or why they should be taken for such a short time :/

[missparkles]

Sparkles has never been able to take chlormethiazole (Heminevrin) without over using them, and they made her psychotic when she stopped them abruptly.
And they make your nose burn...ouch.
But only for the first few doses, then you get used to them. They're not prescribed much now, docs use chlordiazepoxide usually (Librium).
Sparkles.

[Lamb]

That's good that they aren't prescribed much now Heminevrin do make your nose burn at first, SWIM forgot that! And if one of the capsules melted in your pocket the smell of mutant oranges was hard to get out.

They were utter hell to get off and SWIM didn't even believe that the anxiety was caused by them at the time because he felt so normal and well when taking them.

SWIM would never recommend them to even the strongest willed person due to how addictive they are, that is the main thing SWIM wants to get across, but was just replying to the topic.

[missparkles]

OMG...SWIYs melted? Sparkles never had em long enough to melt.
Yeah...they are evil fucking drugs to quit. But Sparky has to admit, they were quite an awesome buzz, no denying it.
Sparkles.

[Lamb]

Originally Posted by missparkles

OMG...SWIYs melted? Sparkles never had em long enough to melt.
Yeah...they are evil fucking drugs to quit. But Sparky has to admit, they were quite an awesome buzz, no denying it.
Sparkles.

Yes SWIM used to have to take them work with him and occasionally they'd melt or burst in his pocket Took just one in the morning, one at 1st break then dinner etc....No doubt they were worse to come off in every way than the alcohol that they were replacing

[Enlightenme]

For a safe, natural approace, SWIM finds that kava works well. SWIM also finds that low doses of GHB are his favorite for anxiety and increased social luster.

[paddycue1977]

Swim has been on benzo for nearly 3 years the pdoc say there is no point me taking them anymore i truly beliveve that they should only be used in the short term it even says on the pack 3 weeks max even though i dont feel my dose any more i will def know if i miss it i relavily your 31 and i can never see myself coming off them i dont abuse tham too much not worth it any way but i am phycsologically addicted to them badly i drove 100 mile round trip in the middle of a party cos i had forgot my meds im noy on a huge dose 12mf bromazapam per day but i regeat the day i ever put one in im my mouth but i was bad at the time so i cant really blame the doc i new what i was taken. But if anxiatly is ure problem ask ure doc bout the old anti depp tca surmontil is good it came out in the 50s very seditive though and u will put up weight also zispin i fing ok for depression but the weight gain again for me any all the ssri are out of teh question cos they make me more anxious if u really need to go the benzo route start on the lowest dose u can i find bromazapam good for me but i beieve u cant get it in the states they say its between xanax(way to addcive) and valium which i aslo find good.But please make sure u exhaust evry option b4 u go on benzos nothing will seem right again but hey u might only need them for a few weeks like most people who my limed knowledge helps

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Good harm reduction, warning about the addictive potential of benzo's.

[Jatelka]

The general consensus seems to be that the whole kava and hepatotoxicity issue was vastly blown out of proportion. I'm sure there loads on it over in ethnos

[Birkill]

Jus swims 2 cents trazadone dun naff all 4 swim and he found heroin the best cure but this also fukd his life up a wee bit so prob wernt the best way... dont really get much anxiety these days but drink alot so.....fek nose, still counsilling prob best as drugs jus mask tings no cure....?!

Birkill added 983 Minutes and 57 Seconds later...

Sorry i was a bit smashed last night, my basic jist was that i first turned to the doc which failed, i then turned to hard drugs which again failed so all i was saying is that its better to sort out whats rattling around in your head rather then cover it up with chemicals(There, better!?)

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	Illegible post, cannot understand most of the post. Bad advice on top of it all.
	your post did not make sense make sure your spling is correct and your straight when posting
	Much better! Thank you for your contribution.
	Good advice, now I understand what was originally said.