Opinions - Police forum thread about legal drugs - interesting to see their perspective

[Synesthesiac]

Stumbled across this thread on a forum for police officers about legal highs and general RC's. I appreciate that not all RC's are legal, but most of the things discussed in that thread are more to the RC side of the spectrum then legal highs, thus why I'm putting it here. The thread came complete with poll too, 70 voted yes to the question "Were you aware of this legal drug movement among todays youth?" (they had to mention youth didn't they!, I think they'll find that most RC users are generally responsible adults, but aywho)

Just interesting to see the perspective of some active law enforcers on designer drugs and legal highs. Mixed results, some still as delusional about any type of drug use (illegal or legal) being bad, evil and deadly, but some of them were verging on making some sort of sense. Odd that the ones so angry abour drug use didn't mention the two widest used legal drugs like alcohol and tobaccoo. That was left to the more level headed people.

Heres the thread, its ongoing in a public google forum and the last post was posted as soon as yesterday:

http://forums.officer.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=122516

Could sign up there and try to contribute. Or even invite a couple of them here to argue their point.


Will be interesting to see what myopic stupour they argue them selves into before they realize that drugs don't force people to commit crimes, but the prohibition of drugs and and laws in place cause more damage and crimes than the drugs would themselves. If people were educated about the real dangers, effects addictiveness of drugs instead of being scared by false propeganda at school (which ironically leads to more people using more drugs when they suddenly realize they're not as bad as they thought, so presume all the dangers were bollocks) then we would be in a much better world. A few poignant ones being: "We'd have fewer victimless criminals clogging our prisons, the courts police and lawyers would have more time and money to deal with real crime, we'd take away the huge black profit markets from the bad guys, we'd be able to reduce the suffering caused by comtamination and overdose and we'd be able to seriously reduce the suffering caused by contamination and overdose." (Quote: "Penn and Teller What would happen if drugs were legal" Google it)

And maybe by doing this we could even start to even out the (much) higher number of deaths legal drugs like tobacco and aldohol cause per n number of users than most illegal drugs abuse themselves. And eventually (in an ideal world with adequte education) all drug abuse could be replaced with resposible educated drug use.

If any of the police from that thread happen to ponder over this thread, I suggest watching this breif clip from the arcihve here from an extremely popular and intellingent raconteur on this whole issue of drug phohibion and legality of drugs, who (if from the UK) you likely know. Stephen Fry.


So any thoughts, and quotes from, some of above opinions and the materal in that thread welcome. Certainly interesting to see the other extremes views for a change.

Thanks.

[Euthanatos93420]

idk man...it's kinda hard to recover from a shithead like that who hasn't completely educated themselves on the issue but feels so damn strongly they're willing to rant up against brainwashed cops like they can make a fucking difference with ZERO REFERENCES.

Gonna take some hardcore documentation to come back from that one.

[Synesthesiac]

Originally Posted by Euthanatos93420

idk man...it's kinda hard to recover from a shithead like that who hasn't completely educated themselves on the issue but feels so damn strongly they're willing to rant up against brainwashed cops like they can make a fucking difference with ZERO REFERENCES.
Gonna take some hardcore documentation to come back from that one.

Which one you talking about in particular, theres qiute a few naive people in that thread...

A coupla quotes from the thread:

The morning glory can really cause problems, you dont just see swirly colors, wrong amounts can kill ya.

So can wrong amounts of paracetemol. I wonder why things like American football aren't banned after The National Center for Catastrophic Sport Injury Research has reported about 1000 people have died from playing football from 1990 onwards. I think theres been one reported death from morning glory (LSA) in the literature.

One guy there found out about MDPV;

I did a little more research online and its kind of crazy how many "legal" drugs you can buy. I found a vendor selling MDPK, a very potent stimulant, for $100 for 1 gram. Considering this drug is active in the 5mg range that is pretty crazy. Chinese labs make it and ship it into the states. And MDPK is not an analogue of any existing drug because it is not chemically "substantially similar" to any scheduled drug, so even prosecution under the analogue act is not possible. I knew about these legal drugs but I didn't know how widespread it was.

MDPK (also known as MDPV) is more potent than meth. There is no history really of human use so I can't say how addictive it may be, but probably very much so -- and if your teenager can send a money order he or she can have a lot of it shipped to your house. Time to start going through your kids mail???

It never occur to him that a drug active in the 5mg range would mean you take less of it than most other drugs? The active amont you take defines the potentcy of a drug. ie, the recommended dosage

I'm getting to tired now to make any more points, feel free to check out the thread. Having read it all now it seems like the common sense approach appears to be the predominant view expressed thoughout, more so than I thought when writing the OP.

[Euthanatos93420]

bigbob335, and dude, you could pick idiocy out of their posts ALL DAY LONG and nothing would change. At least, that's how I feel just skimming over that thread and a few others. It's extremely depressing and I'm going to go to bed and enjoy my party tommorow before I contribute any more thought to this.

[Alfa]

Originally Posted by Synesthesiac

Quote: "Penn and Teller What would happen if drugs were legal" Google it

Did you forget that you added this file to the video archive yourself? You must be using too much drugs!

[old hippie 56]

Read a few that was intelligent..The poster "Narco" had good points.
Also noticed that a lot of members there was from Texas. Lord help us all...

[samsa]

Just registered at Officer.com forums in an effort to educate some pork. If you feel you can eloquently express your points i suggest you do the same.

[Synesthesiac]

Originally Posted by Alfa

Did you forget that you added this file to the video archive yourself? You must be using too much drugs!

I did look for a while in the archive, but couldn't find it. And yeah, swim tells me that this thread was kinda stimulant induced (as some may have deduced!), thus its rant like nature. Though surprisingly more sensicle than most written while under the influence. Will look again for the Penn an Teller vid.

Anyway, its nice to see that not ALL law-enforcement people are as delusional about drug prohibition after re-reading that thread, though even the semi level headed people could do with some good accurate education on prohibition, drugs and drug education in general.

Synesthesiac added 3 Minutes and 12 Seconds later...

Originally Posted by samsa

Just registered at Officer.com forums in an effort to educate some pork. If you feel you can eloquently express your points i suggest you do the same.

Please take heed of this bolded bit! The last thing we need is someone just arguing and making ad homs at them. Good old hard facts is what they need, not a pointless emotive argument.

[Klaus]

The Police just confiscated all of the RC'S from Swims local shop

[anonuser30500]

It must be hard for cops to keep up with all the 'new' drugs that have come out in recent years. Even most drug users would look dumbfounded if offered any of the dozens of research chemicals out there.

Back when the main drugs were speed, LSD, cannabis and hash, things were easy. Then came coke and E, with the first legal highs.

The average cop will know the basics about drugs, younger cops unless socially naive before joining the force will know a fair bit about drugs. Some obviously use and many more who don't will have a brother, an in law, uncle or someone burning the midnight lamp with the headphones on and a stash box nearby recently opened.

We've had a couple of chief constables and many more high ranks stating that legalisation would help the police more than hinder. In ten years, twenty or thirty, there will be more than 50% of the top cops saying this and 90% of the ranks already having seen the reality of prohibition in their towns, schools, colleges and universities.

[Alfa]

Originally Posted by Klaus

The Police just confiscated all of the RC'S from Swims local shop

Klaus; please add information about this to a new thread. I am sure many readers will find this UK research chemical raid interesting to know about.

[Future]

Interesting indeed.

[g666d]

Swim would hide his IP address joining a forum like that. TOR network good place to start.


This thread there is interesting too:

http://forums.officer.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=127349

starts off so reasonable, then ends up... depressing. [edit] Yay, then it gets reasonable again!

[novaclay]

Some people really anger me, like that "Spoken" person. Just complete ignorance and naivety. Why can't the average person grasp reality and come to the understanding that alcohol is worse then most illegals? Why can't they understand that recreational use of any substance isn't the end of the world and that an addict is going to be an addict whether something is legal or not?

All this thread has done is piss me off. I want to punch some idiots in the throat.