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Old 19-06-2009, 01:43
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Injecting old blood into one's self. Would ya do it?

So my pet rat, Loki, was wondering if you think your dog, cat, or whatever you own would inject old blood into itself if mixed in was yummy heroin?

To give an exact example, Loki has 3 syringes filled with blood and cooked heroin/water. Obvioiusly when he had first tried to inject the H some crap happened and he was not able to complete the deed. He had already tested the vein and had the blood mixed in. He stuck the needle in his desk drawer for later. It's a long story but the same thing happened again 2 more times. It is now 2 days later and Loki has three syringes filled with old blood and H. Anything Loki can do to make it safe to shoot?
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Old 19-06-2009, 01:51
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Re: Injecting old blood into one's self. Would ya do it?

swim does not know the medical answer to this, but really doesn't think it sounds like a good idea.

swim used to have this same thing happen all the time and had a bag full of syringes with blood and heroin in them and what she noticed would happen is that after a few days the blood/heroin/water mix would get to be like a paste and was almost impossible to even get out of the rig so based on that, she didn't think she'd be able to water it down and cook it up enough to make it shootable again.
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Old 19-06-2009, 01:59
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Re: Injecting old blood into one's self. Would ya do it?

SWIM injected a heroin needle filled with heroin and 3 day old blood before. He tried to get most of it out because it had coagulated at the top, but he definitely ended up shooting a bunch of it. BTW 3 day old blood turns into this weird light brown looking flaky gel stuff in the needle, if that's what yours looks like.
SWIM is not sure if it is bad, and wouldn't recommend it, but it didn't do anything to SWIM except get him high. I suppose it might be a different case where bacteria had festered.
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Old 19-06-2009, 02:47
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Re: Injecting old blood into one's self. Would ya do it?

Loki is looking at the needles trying to decide what to do. They aren't so thick that it can't come out of the needle. In fact, he was easily able to squeeze a little bit out of the needle no problem.

Wallet added 2 Minutes and 17 Seconds later...

Quick thought: What if he squeezed the crap into a spoon and cooked it again?

Btw, in the needle the liquid looks super dark red, but when sprayed out it looks like light coffee.

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Old 19-06-2009, 02:59
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Re: Injecting old blood into one's self. Would ya do it?

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Loki is looking at the needles trying to decide what to do. They aren't so thick that it can't come out of the needle. In fact, he was easily able to squeeze a little bit out of the needle no problem.

Wallet added 2 Minutes and 17 Seconds later...

Quick thought: What if he squeezed the crap into a spoon and cooked it again?

Btw, in the needle the liquid looks super dark red, but when sprayed out it looks like light coffee.
Don't recook it, then it will be lost for sure. If you recook heroin with blood in it it ruins it.

My suggestion for the paranoid:

Take a coffee filter, cut most of it off until it's just a little tiny V (so the excess paper doesn't just absorb it all) and pour it through there. Then recook it and filter it good through a thick cotton. *shrugs* Or maybe just pour it out into a spoon or something, then suck it back up through a big, tightly compressed cotton, then recook it. Never tried coffee filtering heroin (maybe too gelatinous?), so maybe the second option would be better.

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Old 19-06-2009, 13:31
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AW: Injecting old blood into one's self. Would ya do it?

This is stupid, the risk of a pyrogenic shock is very high!
A absolut "No GO'!

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Shock associated with overwhelming infection, most commonly with gram-negative bacteria. Characteristics - fever, tachycardia, chills, myalgia, confusion, tachypnea, hypotension, nausea. Usual course - acute.
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Old 19-06-2009, 16:55
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Re: Injecting old blood into one's self. Would ya do it?

Pacman has done this a few times and what spucky said has never happened once. Not saying it couldn't though. D-T is right do not try to re cook it as it is lost.Best bet is to put it on spoon and mix with water and use a new filter to try and filter the old blood out. SWIY won't get all the heroin out but SWIY will get some
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Old 20-06-2009, 04:12
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Re: Injecting old blood into one's self. Would ya do it?

Swir thinks most H users if they have been at it long enough will end up with the dreaded clogged H/blood/h2o.Swir can't count the times she's done this.Swir is not saying it's the right thing to do...But fuck,Swiy has no dope but this loaded syringe?yes!she's sorry if that grosses people out but her does.Never had a problem.knock on wood.(Swir raps her head.)Mind Swiy it wasn't all brown and flaky.Swir found if she takes an asprin each day it takes care of the clogging factor as it thins your blood out.Swir would advise this:Just because she's skated the gauntlet doesn't make it safe.If Swiy have more dope on swiy. throw it out,if not weigh the pros and cons and try to stay as safe as swiy can make it k?
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Old 20-06-2009, 13:06
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Pacman has done this a few times and what spucky said has never happened once.
But the Risk is very high, c`mon: Two Day`s old Blood
that is a breeding ground for everything!

My Cat can understand if someone use Blood after maybe 10min.
but after 48 Hours is more than negligent.
Maybe nothing happen but if swiny have a long time addiction
and will do it maybe 10-50 Times everyone can be sure that
it will be happen!
Better to buy new Heroin or a Substitute like Methadone,
why to risk something that bad!
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Old 20-06-2009, 13:16
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Re: Injecting old blood into one's self. Would ya do it?

SWIM normally puts the syringe into a cup of very hot water (not boiling obviously). Leave for around 15 mins. This should liquidise it a little then draw up 1 unit of water to mix with the solution. Give a shake to see if its looking less viscose.
When SWIM finds their vein draw back a couple of units of blood to let it mix with what's in the syringe (as SWIY's blood is hot it should mix around making it easier to push the plunger without forcing it down) ouch

This is SWIM's way of doing things. SWIM IS NOT SAYING THIS IS SAFE/ WHATEVER BUT ITS WORKED FOR HER IN THE PAST.

Let us know how it goes
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Old 20-06-2009, 13:48
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Re: Injecting old blood into one's self. Would ya do it?

Blood doesn't have any antibacterial agents, and at room temperature the risk of bacterial activity is increased. Several studies though have indicated that after 24 hours without refrigeration, bacterial growth increases significantly in blood. These studies are aimed at preventing transfusion-transmitted diseases between different people.

Take care.

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Old 20-06-2009, 14:02
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Re: Injecting old blood into one's self. Would ya do it?

Are you kidding? No way!! The fact that SWIY is even thinking about doing this is a sign that SWIY's heroin use may be out of control.
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Old 20-06-2009, 17:11
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Re: Injecting old blood into one's self. Would ya do it?

SWIM would and has filtered the blood out with a cotton. A small ammount of heat after the mix is put in a spoon etc., in SWIMs experience tends to make the blood kinda chunk up, after which cotton filter[s] can be used to filter out the good stuff. Don't boil, as has been said, because it will make one big un-filterable chunk
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Old 20-06-2009, 19:31
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But the Risk is very high, c`mon: Two Day`s old Blood
that is a breeding ground for everything!

My Cat can understand if someone use Blood after maybe 10min.
but after 48 Hours is more than negligent.
Maybe nothing happen but if swiny have a long time addiction
and will do it maybe 10-50 Times everyone can be sure that
it will be happen!
Better to buy new Heroin or a Substitute like Methadone,
why to risk something that bad!
Pacman has done it with blood that is a few days old when desperate. Come on spucky SWIY are talking about heroin addicts with no dope. When desperate people do desperate things. Sounds like he is gonna do it no matter what and tbh saying don't do it probably ain't gonna help the guy. If SWIY read pacmans comment he did say he does not advise this though
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Old 21-06-2009, 08:54
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Pacman has done it with blood that is a few days old when desperate. Come on spucky SWIY are talking about heroin addicts with no dope. When desperate people do desperate things.
My Cat know that, to be a real Addict means to do many unrational Things,
but we have to change it, we have to be responsible.
That is our only chance to survive that bad Times!

Opiates must be a Drug again which bring recreation and a "Time out" (Holiday) in horrible Times, it should not be something that rule us!

Methadone is very cheap and the access is very low,
it`s much better to buy a little bit of a Substitute than risk our life!
Like Narcanti people also have to store some Substitutes for bad Day`s!

When my Cat was still on Drugs she always keep a few ml. of Methadone for security,
because she never know whats happen the next Week and after a few Years of Learning she start to go a safe Way, it`s possible!

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Old 22-06-2009, 05:17
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Re: Injecting old blood into one's self. Would ya do it?

AFOM has done this a million times. heat the rig up under some warm water to loosen up the shit stuck inside, then blow it into a spoon. add a little more wawa and cook it up again like you're fixing a normal shot. the blood will coagulate when you heat it and smell like shit, make sure you get a little boil in it to burn off wahtevers in it. throw in a larger than usual cotton and suck it back into a clean rig. voila! youve got your heroin back, minus a blood clot. side note: this is done to cow's blood to make glue, right? might not be the cleanest way to go but hey, you're not playing chess, you're shooting heroin. this is the life of a junkie.
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Old 22-06-2009, 14:33
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Re: Injecting old blood into one's self. Would ya do it?

When pacman has ever heated it up he has immediately regretted it as it coagulates so much SWIY can't suck it up the pin
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swim normally puts the syringe into a cup of very hot water (not boiling obviously). Leave for around 15 mins. This should liquidise it a little then draw up 1 unit of water to mix with the solution. Give a shake to see if its looking less viscose.
When swim finds their vein draw back a couple of units of blood to let it mix with what's in the syringe (as swiy's blood is hot it should mix around making it easier to push the plunger without forcing it down) ouch

This is swim's way of doing things. Swim is not saying this is safe/ whatever but its worked for her in the past.

Let us know how it goes
just thought swim would bump this up because it is a good method which does work usually
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Blood doesn't have any antibacterial agents, and at room temperature the risk of bacterial activity is increased. Several studies though have indicated that after 24 hours without refrigeration, bacterial growth increases significantly in blood. These studies are aimed at preventing transfusion-transmitted diseases between different people.

Take care.
so as a note to addicts, because like others have said, heroin addicts will do almost anything when the need is great enough and especially if they are sick and have rigs full of H/blood/water staring at them .... would it be best for swimmers to put their needles in the refrigerator if this happens so that later use will be safer?
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Old 22-06-2009, 18:14
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Re: Injecting old blood into one's self. Would ya do it?

Good Question SWIEden.

SWIM just poured it out into a spoon and mixed a little bit of cold water with it. Then he put a cotton in it and sucked it up hoping to remove some of the blood (like others have suggested). It worked and luckily SWIM didn't get sick. Pheew. Yeah, it's dumb. SWIM knows.

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Re: Injecting old blood into one's self. Would ya do it?

swim is glad swiny is okay.

in the past, swims have always been too coagulated to get out of the syringe, but putting it in hot water sounds like that would help.

swim wonders if putting them in the fridge would make it even more pasty, but if it doesn't, it sounds like a better option. unless of course swiny lives with their parents. swim can just picture what a nightmare discovery that could be!
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Re: Injecting old blood into one's self. Would ya do it?

Glad Wallet's friend is doing well, truly.

Uhm, as for future blood storage, yeah, it is going to coagulate. SwiTea isn't familiar with storage of human blood (well, outside a test-tube or so, in the fridge for testing purposes), but for animals, typically SwiTea adds an anticoagulant-preservative to the blood before storing it in the refrigerator. This reduces the chance of bacterial growth, and keeps it from getting thick and nasty. Storage in a standard refrigerator is fine, 33-42F (1-6C). Blood breathes though, so swiTea doesn't store it alongside the bologna sandwich.

It needs to be warmed up to to 98.6F (37C no more) before using it. A water bath such as a bowlfull of warm water is perfect. Just pop it into a waterproof baggie, which is then put into the water bath. Don't microwave it. Just don't.

And tada. Works fine for small animals...
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.... would it be best for swimmers to put their needles in the refrigerator if this happens so that later use will be safer?
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Re: Injecting old blood into one's self. Would ya do it?

Swiy should always just either finish it or squirt it our if blood gets in Injecting old blood is like putting sand in the veins. Once it has couagulated it becomes viscous and can cause a stroke or heart attack.
Anyway...Swiy missed just now and has a massive lump larger than he has ever gotten. He got alot of blood in and wonders if this could have an effect. Could it couagulate under my skin?
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Re: Injecting old blood into one's self. Would ya do it?

yes, swimmers should just squirt it out but the reality of actually doing that .... unless swiny is someone who always has a large stash or plenty of money, its not that easy to just squirt it down the drain when swiny might need it so badly later.

meh, its a tough one, luckily swim doesn't have it happen often.

also, sorry to hear about the large bump, swim has had this happen and when there's a lot of blood it seems to be worse, maybe it's harder for it to be absorbed back into the body? swim doesn't know though.

swim usually puts icepacks on new bumps and it helps them go down.

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