legal alternatives for ecstasy???

[frostbite]

i have used E a few times, and it is by far my favorite drug. however i always fear becoming an etard (e addict) i do not wish to have bubbles in my brain and what not. i have heard of this legal ecstasy stuff, some say its great and some say it sucks, but i am just looking for something legal and less dangerous to give me that same good mood that e always puts me in, possibly some reviews of the legaly ecstasies available in smoke shops.any posts would be greatly appreciated

[argovistov]

They usually contain Ephedrine. Sometimes also LSA which almost never works due to bad extraction. Common are also a little tyrosin (often no more than 25 mg) and 5-htp. And vitamins.



You get better result and much more for the money if you buy medicin tabletts with ephedrine from an online pharmacy and extract LSA yourself from HBW. L-tyrosine are really cheap. 5-htp isnt very effective but if you want to use it is also very cheap if you buy 600 tablets. If you want to use vitamins 1000 umg B12 could be a good ide if you use 5-htp, to keep the blood level of serotinin down a bit.

[Alfa]

Where and by what action does B12 decrease 5-HT levels in the blood?

[smartbee]

Everybody is searching for something legal, and.. what does the same trick as the real thing. This is one of the answers, but for the die-hard user.... i don't know, maybe a little bit to ...soft?


Piper Nigrum Extract (containing 100 mg benzyl diethylene diamine dihydrochloride, 50 mg tri fluoro methyl phenyl diethylene diamine hydrochloride), Capsicum Annum, Theobroma Cacao (contains phenethylamine), l-tyrosine, l-phenylalanine, l-glutamiine, glycine, magnesium aspartate and vitamine C.


Dosage: 1 tab. Duration:>4 hours.


Don't combine wth Prozac, MAOis or SSRis.


I've tried some, it comes close, but still not the real thing.

[RARFE]

are benzyl diethylene diamine dihydrochloride &tri fluoro methyl phenyl diethylene diamine hydrochloride other names for benzylpiperazine and trifluromethylphenylpiperazine which are used in some legal E products???

[RARFE]

um that has nothing to do with this topic big e. If u don't want to do it DON'T DO IT. right now that thats sorted back to the real topic.

[Tweak]

2C-I isnt exactly herbal, but I am seeing an increasing number of friends starting to experiment with 2C-I and they say that it comes close to MDMA...But not close enough!!

On the bright side, It isnt illegal in Australia...YET!!

[ThaNewJimJones]

E is legal in australia?

[RARFE]

no 2C-I is legal

[Alfa]

2CI is going to be illegal in the EU very shortly...


BZP is not herbal.

[mycoguy]

alfa is right.


There was some inaccurate information published, that started BZP , being a piperazine, comes from the pepper plant.** This information was false.

[top]RARFE

. yes, probably just other naming conventions for BZP and TFMPP.


the combination of BZP + TFMPP is suppose to yield effects similar to that of MDMA.** There are a few suppliers out of the Netherlands that are currently selling legal dance pills that contain BZP + TFMPP.** It's mainly the BZP that does the job.* But it's still crucial to have the interaction of TFMPP in there for some reason.


other alternative to consider would be Methylone (i hear this one really does a good job), MBDB, BDB, 5-meo-mipt, and possibly IAP.


Good luck finding them.* Unless comes through with some of these, I think you'll have a hard time finding them.* Many of the RC suppliers in the US were recently taken down.* There's still a few up, but I don't know how reliable they are.* You're better of to search overseas.Edited by: BA

[wizard warior]

hey man no names on the fourm only sources right, dont want to lose what seems to be one of the only legit soruces!.2-ci is now illegal in the uk too, supposedly its very easy to make so thats proabably one of the reasons why.and i have heard people using 5MEO-MIPT to good effect when looking of a 'quasi legal' xtc alternative try reading the tihkal reaport for more info, if there is one...

[nikonikad]

2c-t-21, should be similar

[P4nic]

In theNovel natural drugsforum I posted a thread about Nightschade, there should be way to get a legal xtcfeeling of that,maybe if we can do some research together we can benefit of this if it's true what the guy told me.

[nikonikad]

Ask your friend, what is the name of this nightschade plant, because there are 100 if not mor nightschade kinds.

[wizard warior]

i remeber a herbal pill you used to be able to get called sextacy from the herbal high companyit was kind of like x just no where near as intense,dont know if you can get it anymore cause it hadGABA in it which is a precursoror related toGHB

[nicholson_tyler]

5-meodipt at low doses (7mg+/-) feeels very simular to E, but thats just my opinion

[Ximot]

/\ - if you add some ghb it comes fairly close on somelevel. but nothing i have tried can beat the empathy felt on e. sometimes that empathy is actually just too strong, the urge to open up can be uncontrollable.

[Gareth]

Wait, doesnt the 5meodipt also go by the name foxy? If so I've tried
this stuff numerous times. Its NOTHING like ecstacy. Fun, and if in the
right setting it makes for a great night, but the sensations are very
different.

[Alfa]

Yes, foxy methoxy is 5-meo-dipt.

[zipoo]

methylone comes really close with less of a body load.


but where all looking for that magic one.

[PenguinPhreak]

You aren't going to find any 'Herbal Ecstasy' products that are like
MDMA, it just isn't going to happen. Some research chemicals can be
similiar, but if you want the effects of MDMA, just use MDMA.



BTW: The study claiming that MDMA causes holes in the brain in commonly accepted to be bullshit

[fuzzymofo]

Just to set the record straight for anyone reading this thread... check out the page at MAPS and various other internet sources about the Holes in Brain retraction


http://www.maps.org/mdma/nyt120203.html


It turns out they gave the monkeys Meth and not MDMA, but we all knew meth did that anyway right ?

[Cuberun]

The whole holes in the brain story is so ridicolous...

[amperfect]

You might want to try some of the nootropic health supplements that are out there. They are available from certain nutrition and vitamin suppliers. The different ones are going to do different things to gaba, dopamine, and seratonin receptors. Things likeaniracetam, piracetam, phenibut, tyramine, tyrosine, or 5-htp. Maybe even some alcohol or n20 and a cream charger.