5-meo-amt

[mariecurie]

Please post info about 5-MEO-AMT here.

Can anyone add information about:

• names / synonyms
• molecule
• dose
• duration
• side effects
• have there been any reported incidents with this compound?
• since when has this research chemical been available?
• legal status
• stability of the molecule / compound

Experiences with 5-MEO-AMT should be posted here: Drug info - 5-MEO-AMT
These documents about 5-MEO-AMT are in the file archive
5-MEO-AMT pics
Research Chemicals Index - Tryptamines
Research Chemicals Index - Phenethylamines


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If there were a party where experienced and semi-experienced trippers
were taking 5-MeO-AMT for the first time, what would be reasonable
doses such that the nausea/bodyload did not overwhelm the visual and
mental aspects of the substance?



Thanks!

[fastandbulbous]

I'm tempted to say none, as I think it's a terrible drug (opens the sluice gates at both ends for me...), but people I know with a less sensetive digestive system than me reckon the 2-4mg range is OK. You still get a bit of gut rumbling in the first couple of hours, but after that, you're OK, except for the odd loose bowel movement (unless you're like me, then you'll end up spending 6 hours in the bathroom from 2.5mg!)

[msumegi]

STOP!!! 5-meo-amt is very potent. There is a big difference between snorting and oral ingestion of this drug.

According to www.erowid.org the oral dosage is as follows:

Threshold .5-1.0 mg
Light 1 - 3 mg
Common 2 - 6 mg
Strong 4 - 10 mg
Heavy 6 - 15 mg

Onset : 30 - 90 minutes
Duration : 8 - 12 hours
Normal After Effects : up to 12 additional hours

Of course this must be taken in consideration with your weight and personal experience with other similar drugs. On the site there is no listing of a safe dose for insufflation. This may be bacause of several reported deathsresulting from 5-meo-amt insufflation. I have read trip reports, however, that lead me to suggest no more that 1-2 mgs for an initial insuffilated dose.

[mariecurie]

Thanks for the replies guys.



Insufflation would be out of the question. I was inquiring about oral
doses, although I appreciate the information. I've looked at that table
of dosages on erowid, but erowid's doses are often a bit on the low end
IMO.



What would a trip on 2.5 mg be like compared to a trip on 4, 6, 8, etc.



I feel like under 6 mg people might not feel it, but maybe that's just
because that seems like such a small amount of powder. It would suck to
under or overdose people.



Please help!

[msumegi]

I am a hard head and I get a +/- from 2.5mgs, a ++ from 5mgs, and +++ from 7.5mgs. I weigh approx. 155 lbs.

[mariecurie]

Thanks msumegi! I was thinking approximately six would probably get a
good response and it seems that dosage would be reasonable.

[lobster]

But there is also the "first timers" vs. "experienced trippers".
I think the fact that they are first timers on 5MeO-aMT is the most
significant point. 6mg sounds like a great deal for a first time
on this powerful relatively un-researched RC.



Myself I'm a big believer in start low work high.

[Toxicity]

Please post info about 5-MEO-AMT here.

Can anyone add information about:

• names / synonyms
• molecule
• dose
• duration
• side effects
• have there been any reported incidents with this compound?
• since when has this research chemical been available?
• legal status
• stability of the molecule / compound

Experiences with 5-MEO-AMT should be posted here: Drug info - 5-MEO-AMT
These documents about 5-MEO-AMT are in the file archive
5-MEO-AMT pics
Research Chemicals Index - Tryptamines
Research Chemicals Index - Phenethylamines


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I've found that there is very little information on 5-MeO-AMT online.
Even Erowid.org seems to not have much info. Can anyone here describe
this RC and it's effects?

[allyourbase]

lmao. there is an ASSLOAD of info out there. or you could just read tikhal. 5MeOAMT is a spirited psychedelic, with moderate to extreme body load and gastrointestinal discomfort. it is mildly to moderately visual, highly euphoric, and not usually ego shattering. it is viable through all usual vectors, both parentally and orally. smoking could be advised to those who wish to avoid stomach upset. insufflation for some increases the gastrointestinal problems. MAOIs it would appear would be contraindicted, due to this chemicals overwhelming similarity to seratonin, and its own possible MAOI effects.a girl diedwhowas givenan unknown (but irresponsibly large) quantity of the substance in a drink, she died of seratonin syndrome. I have known people who have even gone so far as injection of this substance. some people really like it, while for others the effects on the body are a bit much to handle. Edited by: allyourbase

[amperfect]

its not that great, the effects last too long and side effects outweigh the benefits. effects always lasted longer than 8hrs for me, so it basically screws up your schedule for sleep and where u need to go the next day. Some light visuals, mind blowing thoughts, etc. The next day is horrible. Not recommended. There have been deaths attributed to this substance. It is just too dose sensitive for different people and is very dangerous in combinations with other drugs like mdma, and pharmacuticals.

[nanobrain]

^amperfect summed it up well.

this one arouses absolutely no curiosity in my research primate, the GI issues alone enough to prevent interest.

[allyourbase]

well swim's had some extensive time with this substance, he says its not so bad. orally is too much. insufflation can be worse. vaporizing it is the only route pleasurable for the lab rats. its similar to AMT in this fashion in the opinion of some.

[dr ACE]

its a very strong substance and the doeses can be very small ie: (1-3mg orally)so great care is required when doesing. the body load is really overwhelming i think you need to be on sum kind of special diet to take it correctly and avoid the nasty side effects ie: diahorea which really is not worth it and it does seem to produce a rather worring headace on the comedown could be to do with the wrong diet before ingestion as well Edited by: dr ACE

[waxhorse]

It should be noted again what a fucker of a headache that this stuff can give you. And the G.I. distress.


Everything about this stuff is tricky.


Hopefully you've got some Benzos handy.


If you get migranes, I would steer clear of this stuff.

[gregus01]

Experience with this has been pretty negative. The side effects (queasy, etc.) can be dealt with, but the problem was swim could never really get a full trip out of it. He tried all different levels from 6mg to 13mg, but really only reached the threshold level.

[Nagognog2]

Could you explain how you can post this down one thread:


i found that the rc's i tried, 2-ci, 5meo-amt had so few hangover type effects that they became borderline psychologically adictive. I still love em, just have to be careful with how often i take em.


And here say that your experience has been negative? This is rather confusing. I have heard of love/hate relations - but???

[allyourbase]

the first half hour of 5meoAMT can be hell. you get nauseous possibly have a BM, and youre ungodly wired (a state I cannot stand), but once all that static has cleared it is really a great compound, Ive done some extensive time with it. it is VERY euphoric and thus I can completely agree that it may be psychologically addicting. aside from its obvious detractions (nausea, long duration of action) it is really a wonderful compound.

[Ganesha]

Since this is supposed to be the drug-info thread for 5-meo-amt I think this belongs in here:

confirmed 5-meo-amt-death:

In October 2004, several newspapers reported that Gloria Discerni, a student at North Idaho College, had died after an LSD overdose. Initial reports stated that a friend of Discerni, another freshman named Cameron Jester, added somewhere between 6 and 12 "drops" or "hits" of LSD to her orange juice. Reports vary on whether or not she knew the material was in her drink (most suggest she did), and we do know that Jester also consumed the material. Discerni relatively quickly began having a negative reaction to the ingestion including vomiting and "slipping in and out of consciousness". Gloria Discerni went into a coma and was removed from life support three days later, on October 15, at the hospital.

Though initial reports identified the substance as "LSD", those of us familiar with the range of psychoactives quickly suspected that it was some other material, perhaps a research chemical such as 5-MeO-AMT. There are only one or two known deaths directly resulting from the LSD ingestion, and rarely, if ever, is this sort of negative physical reaction seen to a dose of 6-12 hits. Subsequent toxicology results verified that the substance was, in fact, 5-MeO-AMT, not LSD. A medical examiner's office representative describing the case mentions the presence of bupropion (Wellbutrin; Zyban) metabolite. Bupropion is known to lower seizure threshold and could have contributed to Discerni's death.

From Erowid: http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_media2.shtml

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[primal440]

hello, im curious about this susbstance because of its particular potency (4-10mg). I'm also aware before it takes on you have to pass through an hour of extreme or not so extreme nausea (depends on the user and its stoicism). Has anybody that tried it grown fond of it or at least thinks its worth it passing the first hour of nausea? Swim has tried san pedro and ayahuasca, both having as requirement the nausea and vomiting, but accepted this as natural and really didnt care after the trip began...

[dr.red.evil]

Swim is very fond of this substance. The visuals are awsome . Threw up once from the substance, but only for a minute or so .But the next dozen times tried it after that never got any nausea. I just dont understand why people complain about the nausua. Some other things give nausea like ayahuasca, i dont see what the big deal is.

[Solidly-here]

5-MeO-AMT ... this nausea question has been covered (UTFSE).


Primal, if you want more info about your question, it's covered in several other Threads, for instance: "5-MeO-DMT + Nausea" and "my 5meo AMT experience".Edited by: Solidly-here

[raven3davis]

SWIM has tried this substance twice and he puked both times, several times once. IMO it isnt that great of an rc but its worth trying. SWIM felt pretty bad for the first hour or so, just mostly extreme nausea and anxiety. I would even call it dysphoria (if thats how you spell it) After the nausea SWIM felt okay, but then puked his ass off and felt sick during the whole trip. I guess it just depends on the person etc, but SWIM wasnt too fond of this chemical.

[radiometer]

I've never really understood why anyone ever thought of making this stuff
for public market.

I mean, really....let's take the simple tryptamine most known for nasty
body-load, AMT, and add in the 5-MeO substitution which for other
tryptamines produces a less-interesting compound with a high body-
load. Seems logical if you're trying to produce a psychedelic speedy
emetic I guess!Edited by: radiometer

[Nagognog2]

Perhaps it could find a use as a morality lesson in the form of a punishment for people who steal food.

[allyourbase]

I've heard lots of people are enamoured of this substance, nausea and all. the nausea stems from its overt likeness to DMS (bufotenine). it is not that potent if you have a penis from their experience. takes about 10-20 mg to really get things "moving"for a mid sized male. females seem to be sensitive at 2-4 mg, with 5 causing visual disturbances and hypertension. the nausea is nothing, the euphoria it causes is something to be concerned about however, as it most probably stems from intensive dopamine releases, the very same that cause braindamage to meth and racemic amphetamine addicts. not very surprising considering the similarities between this indole and many amphetamines structurally. this compound affords none of the safety and comfort usually provided in tryptamine experiences.Edited by: allyourbase