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Old 16-06-2009, 16:21
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How To: Making an IV speedball with heroin and crack rocks - easy!

SWIM thought he'd make this quick tutorial, since in a lot of major cities in the U.S. they sell heroin and crack (rocks), but not powdered cocaine. Unlike UK people, heroin users in the U.S. don't use citric acid / lemon juice / vitamine C here, so to most Americans the idea is foreign (no pun intended). Many would be apprehensive about injecting lemon juice, so SWIM wanted to make this tutorial to clear up how easy it is for American SWIMers; who want to speedball badly, and don't realize that they could just buy a bag of crack from their drug dealer along with the heroin and do it with about 30 seconds extra procedure.

These directions assume SWIY is using a 1 CC needle.

Requirements / Ingredients:

1: All the same stuff you need to cook heroin up to inject it.

2: Crack rocks.

3: Bottle of lemon juice, which you can get at any grocery store.

Don't use fresh squeezed lemon juice - even though it will work, there are health issues such as bacteria in the juice which make it more risky. This site has a number of threads with safety information and best practices concerning using lemon juice / citric acid, so search those threads. There may be better alternatives than lemon juice, so check those out, but it's what SWIM uses, so that's how he will explain in these instructions.

Steps:

1: Have SWIY acquire the heroin and crack rocks.

2: Put the crack rocks in your cooker. SWIM highly recommends using a small amount, maybe one or two small crumbles (~ 1 mm wide). If SWIY is doing this the first time, use a very small amount (even smaller than suggested above) to be certain. Speedballs are very dangerous, as the deaths of so many famous people can attest to. Please be safe and just use a small amount to test first.

Even if this isn't your first time, there are two reasons why it is best to use a small amount. First, the cocaine content of crack is more pure than your average powdered cocaine, because the cut doesn't rock up. Second, the point of a speedball for heroin connoseurs is to enhance the rush. Using too much cocaine will overpower and ruin the rush, rather than allowing the synergistic effects of the cocaine and heroin to give you maximum pleasure. Only a small amount of cocaine is needed to do this: Maybe a 1:10 weight ratio of cocaine to heroin in SWIM's opinion.

3: Put a couple drops of lemon juice on the crack, .20 - .40 CCs depending on how much crack SWIY is using. It should start fizzling. Use the needle cap to crush the rocks up even more and swirl it around. Wait 30 seconds to 1 minute for it to mostly disolve.

4: Add water such that the lemon juice plus water equals about .9 CC (or however much extra "space" you need for your heroin, depending on powder amount). It's best to use the full amount of water possible, so that everything is as diluted as you can get it and easier on the veins.

5: Add your heroin to the cooker.

6: Cook the mixture up - Voila you have a speedball!

7: Enjoy.

If anyone has anything they could contribute that would add to or modify thiese steps to make them better, please post.

Thanks everyone, hope that helps!

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Great, resourceful information that can be used by many to be safe when speedballing. Thanks so much
Great Tek, will definatly help those w/o powder
great 'how to' for those without the option of powdered use - thanks!
Great advice and safety procedures... Tips on how to use safely are always a big plus!!
Great post, but might be worth adding that Citric Acid would be a better option than Lemon Juice.
Very useful tips, particularly about the bottled lemon juice, which makes a lot of sense.
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Old 16-06-2009, 16:35
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Re: How To: Making an IV speedball with heroin and crack rocks - easy!

Very informative, Yeah swim usually has no problem getting powder but the plus to doing a speed ball with rock its usually strong being how its cooked to its more potent form.
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Old 16-06-2009, 21:17
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Re: How To: Making an IV speedball with heroin and crack rocks - easy!

In the UK you can buy citric acid/vitamin C powder from health stores, (swim forgets which, or both!). However, swim would strongly recommend using either of those over any form of lemon juice..........even the best forms of lemon juice will have some very undesirable things in them.

Shooting pure lemon juice has been known to cause blindness........noone wants that. Be as safe as possible when it comes to putting shit in your veins.

As far as swim knows, vitamin C should be easily available in very pure form from health stores the world over.

As was explained to swim at his local needle exchange, (and he's experienced this through personal use), vitamin C is a weaker acid than citric. This means that while you will need to use more Vitamin C to dissolve your drugs than you would citric, it has a much greater margin for error, and is subsequently much softer on the veins. This is both from professional experience and swim's own experience.

Vitamin C is the way to go you US swimmers!, and you should be able to get it easily I hope!

In the UK sachets of VIT C supplied by needle exchanges consist of 300mg. However, 300mg is enough to dissolve up to 1g of heroin no.3. And from swim's experience, you almost never need to use a full sachet.

Crack does generally require more Vit C/Citric to dissolve though.

Basically, when using either Vit C or citric, add a couple of match-heads worth to the solution, (always a little less if using citric acid), and then while stirring and heating, add match head by match head until the crack/heroin no.3 is completely dissolved.

Sometimes all of the drug is dissolved, but there is still some crap left floating about, (although that's normally with the duff heroin we get in the UK-less so with crack).

Be safe, and stay away from lemon juice if you can!!!!!! Vit C is the way to go!!!!!!

P.S.- While swim is of course mainly concerned with harm-reduction, he would like to make it clear that injecting crack causes significantly more harm to veins than injecting heroin..........even heroin no.3 that we get in UK/Europe. If possible try and use cocaine rather than crack. Crack is designed for smoking, not injecting! be safe.

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Lemon Juice, like the tiny yellow Bottels is a absolut No Go!
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helpful post - thanks for clearing this up!
Great tip on a gentler acid!
Great add on tip... Lemon Juice carries risks, so well worth mentioning.
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Old 17-06-2009, 09:40
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Re: How To: Making an IV speedball with heroin and crack rocks - easy!

Very good advice from mickey_bee - with the acid, the idea is to use as little as is possible to get everything dissolved, to avoid too much damage to the veins.

Regarding quantities - here's a couple of articles. I can't post links to them as I'm new.

The first is a study of the use of citric and other acids to dissolve heroin. To find it, Google for:
citric when injecting drug users prepare injections

In the article, they tested street heroin with a measured purity of 56%. Using 250mg of the street heroin, plus 30mg of citric acid, they obtained a final solution of 53.6% pure. So practically all the original heroin was absorbed with only 30mg of citric - far less than the normal 100mg or 300mg sachet sizes.

The second is a video showing a lab test with showing a lab test with pure diacetylmorphine. To find this, google for:
citric/heroin reaction video

(some of the resulting links are on YouTube, which apparently isn't allowed here - but it's also hosted on other sites. The full video is about 10 minutes long.)

The video shows the researcher disolving 130mg of pure diacetylmorphine, and demonstrating that very little citric was required to dissolve it all. They also show the pH testing of the resulting solution with both the minimal required amount of citric, and a full 100mg sachet, to show how much more acidic it is when you add too much acid.

So the conclusion is - an IV drug user should use as little citric as is possible to dissolve what needs to be dissolved.

Also, and if at all possible, he/she should get sterilised citric (or Vit C) sachets rather than using general products, to avoid infections etc - though perhaps that's not so easily available in the US. These sterilised sachets can be purchased online or are available (at least in the UK) from needle exchanges like mickey_bee said.

Arthur Dent added 6 Minutes and 12 Seconds later...

Sorry - I actually misinterpreted the lab study. With 30mg citric they got 53mg of heroin, not 53% of the original. They didnt test more than 30mg so it doesn't show how much was required to get all the heroin.

So ignore the first study I mentioned. But the video is good, it demonstrates clearly how much citric is required (and how much less that is than most people normally use.)

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Old 17-06-2009, 17:03
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Re: How To: Making an IV speedball with heroin and crack rocks - easy!

SWIM has never noticed vitamin C powder anywhere - has anyone in the US seen the powder in any major chain or anywhere it would be available to most people? They don't have it at his needle exchange at least (and SWIM doubts they would at US needle exchanges since we get H4 and tar).

I suppose for the purpose of this thread and harm reduction, it would be recommended to at least order the vitamin C powder off the internet if you can't find it in the store; since lemon juice is apparently not good to shoot.

Thanks to everyone who has provided that safety info so far.
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Old 17-06-2009, 17:40
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AW: How To: Making an IV speedball with heroin and crack rocks - easy!

In the US. or GB. is no difference between Citric Acid and Ascorbic Acid (E-300)?
Because the first one is a very bad choice, very (and needless) aggressive and not the same like Ascorbic Acid!
(Many People think that this is the same, but it`s not!)
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Old 17-06-2009, 17:52
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In the US. or GB. is no difference between Citric Acid and Ascorbic Acid (E-300)?
Because the first one is a very bad choice, very (and needless) aggressive and not the same like Ascorbic Acid!
(Many People think that this is the same, but it`s not!)
But according to the lab study I mentioned, you need more than twice as much ascorbic as citric to dissolve a similar amount of heroin.

They got 53mg of heroin with 30mg of Citric, but only 46mg with 60mg of ascorbic.

It seems to me that even if mg-for-mg citric is worse, having to use more than twice as much ascorbic is going to more than make up for the difference and make ascorbic worse overall?




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Old 17-06-2009, 18:02
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AW: How To: Making an IV speedball with heroin and crack rocks - easy!

Swim don`t remember where, but there is a Study with a Video,
maybe from England or Switzerland?
Maybe it is the same like the Friend of Arthur, maybe Ford, mentioned!

Swim think Citric Acid is to strong and many People use to much Acid
even it is Ascorbic Acid!
Of course a High concentrated Acid like Citric Acid will more effective like a less concentrated like Ascorbic Acid!

Video-Files have to be add. via the File-Section,
have a look to the Top, Links, than add. Video!

Edit: Have a look here: http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/loc...link&catid=127
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Old 18-06-2009, 19:01
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Re: AW: How To: Making an IV speedball with heroin and crack rocks - easy!

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It seems to me that even if mg-for-mg citric is worse, having to use more than twice as much ascorbic is going to more than make up for the difference and make ascorbic worse overall?
Swim understand where swiy is coming from, however, as swim has been told by keyworkers, doctors, and the staff at his needle exchange, ascorbic acid is safer.

Although you need to use more of it than citric, this is simply due to the fact that it is a weaker acid.
However, as it is weaker, it does mean that you can be more accurate as to how much you use. One pinch of citric could be twice as much as you need, whereas one pinch of ascorbic probably wouldn't........there's more margin for error.
If one adds ascorbic acid little by little, then chances are the end solution will be noticebly less acidic than if one had done the same with citric-(it's too potent to 'eyeball' accurately).

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Old 18-06-2009, 22:48
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Re: How To: Making an IV speedball with heroin and crack rocks - easy!

SWIDT...

SWIM would like to say nice thread, SWIM does this often and would like to add a couple of points for your reference, we call them 'snowballs'

1.)Try heating your citric solution before adding your crack, reduced the chances of it going waxy, as sometimes happens and makes it difficult to draw up. SWIM NEVER heats after, always before... (SWIY should try it, they'd never look back.) Then continue as you said above by adding your H (hot citric solution will break down H easy..No cooking) and drawing up both.

2.)Crack only fizzes when it's been made with BiCarb, If it's been done with ammonia it just sits there until SWIY crushes it up, again a hot citric solution is prefered.

As said above, a citric & water is preferred to lemon, and all you SWIMs out there becareful, Snowballs kill.
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Old 19-11-2009, 16:08
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Re: How To: Making an IV speedball with heroin and crack rocks - easy!

This is a good thread, however swim would like to make some changes for UK swimmers as it is a slightly different process. Or at least swim does it a slightly different way. Swim guesses its how people have been shown that they will stick to. Anyway here is swims recipe for a nice speedball/snowball.

Cook up Heroin#3 as per normal, maybe using a little more citric than normal.

When All heroin is dissolved add crack rocks and crush up with end of pin or lid.

Do not heat mixture just stir around as the coke will dissolve without heat. If the mixture is heated there is a risk of the solution becoming waxy and unable to draw up.

Add filter and draw up. Have fun.

Swim would like to add that if possible avoid using the groin or neck area as this can be really dangerous because of the crack crystallising inside the vein and blocking it. And beleive swiys do NOT want groin or neck veins collapsing as this could lead to amputation or death.

Also if the solution does start to crystallise inside the pin then swim would suggest squirting it back out and cooking it up, letting it cool and re filtering again. Letting it cool down will allow the crap to fall to the bottom.

Be careful everyone, we all know these things kill far more easily than a normal hit of either on their own. However swim has to say its the best buzz swim has ever had and for this reason reserves the speedball for special occasions only.

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Old 19-11-2009, 20:15
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Re: How To: Making an IV speedball with heroin and crack rocks - easy!

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Do not heat mixture just stir around as the coke will dissolve without heat. If the mixture is heated there is a risk of the solution becoming waxy and unable to draw up.
Swim was going to add this exact piece of information to this thread, well done to Dicemanstyle for pointing this out.

Swim would just like to expand upon the above point a bit:

As already stated, it is advisable that you cook up your heroin first, let the solution cool a bit, and then add the crack, making sure you do not apply any heat at all to the mixture after you have added the crack. The reason for this is exactly as Dicemanstyle stated above; crack is soluble in cold water plus an acid, no heat is needed to dissolve it (incidentally, powder cocaine dissolves in water alone, without the need for an acid). When adding heat to crack and water, it is very possible that the dissolving crack will start to resolidify, forming new rocks.

This is especially the case if the crack has been cooked up from cocaine using the sodium bicarbinate process, as opposed to the ammonia one. The reason for this is that bicarb-made crack is rarely washed out and rinsed properly (for bulking out purposes, no doubt), and your rock will in all likelihood still have a sizable bicarb content. This bicarb-crack mixture, when combined with water and heated, will start a re-rocking-up process of the crack, causing new crack rocks to be formed.

So, again as described in the above post, the best way to avoid this happening is to cook up your heroin first, then add the crack. Of course, if you're in the UK you will have already added an acid (be it vit c or citric) to your heroin in order to cook it up. After doing this, just add your crack to the cooled-down mixture. Chances are there will be enough unreacted acid left over in the mixture to break down the crack. If this isn't the case, you may need to add a little more acid, and then crush up your crack, thus dissolving it into the mixture.

Of course, this process means that your mixture will not have had the added anti-bacterial sterilizing benefit of being heated throughout before injecting. This, in addition to the very valid points already raised by Dicemanstyle (much higher risk of lethal OD, much more vein damage leading to dangerous DVT, limb-loss, and even death) needs to be carefully considered before you decide whether or not to inject an IV mixture of crack and heroin.

H

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Old 21-11-2009, 20:02
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Re: How To: Making an IV speedball with heroin and crack rocks - easy!

@Helene

The reason SWIM would dissolve the crack first with lemon juice is because he is not certain if the H4 heroin and cut here would react with citric acid - thus weakening the acid and not fullybreaking the crack down if added after the heroin; and also, again with the H4 we get here, if the acid would destroy some of the heroin if it wasn't neutralized by the baking soda crack first.

Do you know the answer to either of those? (you're the scientific one)
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Old 21-11-2009, 21:06
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Re: How To: Making an IV speedball with heroin and crack rocks - easy!

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@Helene
The reason SWIM would dissolve the crack first with lemon juice is because he is not certain if the H4 heroin and cut here would react with citric acid - thus weakening the acid and not fully breaking the crack down if added after the heroin; and also, again with the H4 we get here, if the acid would destroy some of the heroin if it wasn't neutralized by the baking soda crack first.
Do you know the answer to either of those? (you're the scientific one)
Okay. I'll try!

Your first point, about the acid being weakened by first reacting with the H4, and therefore not reacting with the crack; swim is certain this wouldn't be a problem. For the main reason that with UK gear, H3, which certainly does react with the acid (in that it needs to in order to dissolve), after cooking up the gear there's nearly always enough unreacted acid left over to fully dissolve the crack.

Regardless, this needn't be an issue - just cook your gear up first, as normal, without an acid. Then add the acid while the solution is still kinda warm, but don't heat any more, and then add the crack and crush up into solution (no further heating needed). Then such the solution up through a filter into a pin. Always use a filter.

As for your second point, about the acid destroying/ damaging the H4 gear, swim thinks this is very unlikely to happen. Especially if you cook the gear up first, then add the acid, then add the crack, as detailed above. This way you avoid any re-rocking up, solidifying etc.

But, as swim said in her earlier post, this does pose the problem of no pre-injection anti-bacterial sterilization from heating the solution thoroughly. And guys, please don't even trick yourself into thinking that snowballs/ speedballs aren't ridiculously dangerous. Because they are, see above posts for further details. Basically, risk of death is very high, okay kids?

Also, swim would just like to say again - Please do not use lemon juice! Either for cooking up H3 heroin or crack. Be it fresh or out of a bottle, it's so bad for your veins, and it contains bacteria that can lead to blindness. Instead, get hold of some citric acid or vitamin c (ascorbic acid) powder. It's available in single use sachets from needles exchanges in the UK and Europe, and in larger quantities from health food stores and chemists internationally.
If available the sachets from the needle exchanges (pictured above) are a much better option. Not only because it's free from the exchanges (you gotta pay for it from the shops!), but also this stuff is specially designed for IV drug users. The sterile sealed sachets contain a measured amount of acid, of a uniform strength, with a smaller grain size etc. Also, the acid is sterile, as you only need open one single-use sachet at a time. Swim would urge anyone who is able to use these packets of vit C or citric, as opposed to purchasing a large amount from a health food store/ chemist. But she understands that this isn't always an option. If you live somewhere where the exchanges don't provide vit c or citric (or even worse, there's no exchanges), check out your local health food store, and try and find a product similar to one of those pictured below. A 100% pure citric or ascorbic acid, with no added sweeteners etc.

Hope this helped,

H

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Re: How To: Making an IV speedball with heroin and crack rocks - easy!

Hmm,

Well, this thread was for U.S. SWIMMers, since as SWIM mentioned we don't use acid here, and it sounds like something really bad to inject to our ears off the bat; not something we are familiar with.

Most of the people on the street who do know that you can inject crack use kool-aid to break it down. SWIM has never seen pure citric acid powder anywhere, nor does he think it's something your average street injector will ever find or buy, which is why SWIM used lemon juice as the example (better than kool-aid no doubt). SWIM knows ideally he'd tell people to use pure citric acid, wherever you get that, and a micron filter, wherever you get that, or, better yet, pure cocaine and not crack (wherever you get that ); but SWIM's just trying to balance what people realistically do on the street with practical (though not comprehensive) and functional information.

As for first heating the crack in lemon juice and a little bit of water - (1) SWIM noticed if you don't heat it it doesn't fully dissolve, (2) if you add the heroin powder, water and lemon juice first, and then the crack, it seems too diluted to break the crack down and doesn't fizz or anything, and (3) between the shit in the crack, and the shit in the lemon juice, SWIM figured it's better to simmer it to kill whatever you can kill.

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Old 21-11-2009, 22:00
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Re: How To: Making an IV speedball with heroin and crack rocks - easy!

Just curious, what's so hard about getting wheel filters (micron filters, as you called them)?

Anyone who is on the web and can read this forum can equally easily go to google and search for wheel filters or micron filters and buy some cheap.

Save yourself a lot of potential misery by doing so, too!
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Old 21-11-2009, 22:13
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Re: How To: Making an IV speedball with heroin and crack rocks - easy!

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Just curious, what's so hard about getting wheel filters (micron filters, as you called them)?

Anyone who is on the web and can read this forum can equally easily go to google and search for wheel filters or micron filters and buy some cheap.

Save yourself a lot of potential misery by doing so, too!
Let's just say, SWIM's representative here of the type of heroin addict who is homeless off and on, withdrawing all the time, and doesn't eat because he needs the $10 he was barely able to scrape together to get a bag. That's who he's writing for, and what he means by "realistic" (for that type of addict). Those of you who can afford to buy things like micron filters, or have a credit card and an address and can order citric acid powder or whatever for yourself, more power to you, you should!
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Old 22-11-2009, 23:26
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Re: How To: Making an IV speedball with heroin and crack rocks - easy!

DT, I know that the needle exchange in Cambridge, MA has "safer crack injection" kits, which contain two 00-sized capsules of citric acid. A risk reduction service on the North Shore in MA had kits that had little rubber tips to put on one's crack pipe ("straight shooter" style) as to not burn ones fingers/lips, as well as capsules or baggies with citric acid in them for those who wanted to inject rock.

I'm sure if you have a local needle exchange, you could ask them to carry it. They can look up "Cambridge Cares" for the Cambridge, MA exchange, if they wanted to ask questions.

Those I Know don't like breaking down crack to inject nearly as much as plain powder cocaine injected, though it's been pondered if one were to use muriatic/hydrochloric acid to break down the crack instead if it would be more to their liking...that perhaps the cocaine hydrocitrate is *just* different enough from cocaine hydrochloride. Don't get them wrong, TIK wouldn't turn down crack just cuz it ain't powder! Just that side-by-side, cocaine hydrochloride is preferred.

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Re: How To: Making an IV speedball with heroin and crack rocks - easy!

Swim mixed a bit of citric with the crack but it did not dissolve much. Then swim made the mistake of heating it. Although it did completely dissolve, as the solution cooled it solidified, clogging the needle! The suspension was emptied out of the syringe back into the spoon and the now cold liquid was filtered again. There was LOADS of gunk left in the spoon, and the very light brown liquid in the syringe had almost no effect!

Once the remaining gunk has dried swim might try smoking it, but the citric that was added to it will probably make that quite unpleasant. Does anyone know how this shot can be saved?

Swim's well pissed if he's wasted his last 20.

DO NOT HEAT THE CRACK, EVEN IF IT DOESN'T ALL DISSOLVE. If the solution solidifies as it cools you will be very disappointed. Especially if the needle jams just as you've managed to find a vein! One may be tempted to inject the solution while it's still hot and has no particles in it, but that's a pretty bad idea as the solids will form inside the veins and increase your chances of having a stroke or some shit.

Anyway, if this shot can be saved please advise.
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Re: How To: Making an IV speedball with heroin and crack rocks - easy!

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DT, I know that the needle exchange in Cambridge, MA has "safer crack injection" kits, which contain two 00-sized capsules of citric acid. A risk reduction service on the North Shore in MA had kits that had little rubber tips to put on one's crack pipe ("straight shooter" style) as to not burn ones fingers/lips, as well as capsules or baggies with citric acid in them for those who wanted to inject rock.

I'm sure if you have a local needle exchange, you could ask them to carry it. They can look up "Cambridge Cares" for the Cambridge, MA exchange, if they wanted to ask questions.

Those I Know don't like breaking down crack to inject nearly as much as plain powder cocaine injected, though it's been pondered if one were to use muriatic/hydrochloric acid to break down the crack instead if it would be more to their liking...that perhaps the cocaine hydrocitrate is *just* different enough from cocaine hydrochloride. Don't get them wrong, TIK wouldn't turn down crack just cuz it ain't powder! Just that side-by-side, cocaine hydrochloride is preferred.

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That's handy to have. SWIM's exchange was set up as a university study and only deals with heroin and disease related heroin issues unfortunately. People around Chicago could REALLY use clean crack gear. 90% of the people on the street are smoking off an inch long broken tipped disgusting piece of glass tubing which they all share, and using Kool-Aid like I said to break the crack down to inject.

SWIM actually prefers using crack to powder cocaine for speedballs. Never had any problems in the year or so SWIM has been using the above posted method. Never seen this "re-rocking" phenomenon either. Crack just seems much cleaner than your average street cocaine. Even higher quality shit.
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Re: How To: Making an IV speedball with heroin and crack rocks - easy!

What about solgar vitamin C. Will that work? Here are the ingredients: vegetable cellulose, vegetable magnesium sterate, and water. may contain vegetable glycerin. I'm pretty sure the veggie items are part of the veggie capsule, so if I break the capsule and just use the powder I should be ok. Still I wanted a second opinion first before I use it! I don't want any gunk in my veins ...
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Re: How To: Making an IV speedball with heroin and crack rocks - easy!

Citric acid can be found in food shops too for cooking with, of course i can't say what shops would have it or even what kind of shops. In the UK my fiend has found it in 2 shops and both were Asian.

As many have mentioned, lemon juice is really nasty stuff, it really should be avoided or used very very occasionally. My fiend can say that at least 2 of the dirty hits or 'cotton fever' he has experienced were definitely down to the use of lemon juice. As mentioned it can cause blindness which is bad enough and permanent from what i have gathered, but it can also cause endocarditis which is very very serious, it's an infection of the heart valves and since they have no direct blood supply it is very difficult to treat. The reason it can cause blindness and endocarditis is due to a fungal infection, now i don't know how they treat fungal infections in vivo but i imagine it isn't as easy as bacterial infection but i could be wrong. I find it surprising that people use kool-aid although i have never seen it before i know it's a soft drink, seems like a dangerous thing to use also. The other thing that is mentioned along side lemon juice is vinegar, white vinegar (not malt) specifically, the two are pretty much mentioned together in the same sentence and the dangers associated with it are the same as lemon juice, a risk of fungal infection. However it seems that the fungus actually grows on the skin of the lemons and is then transferred to the juice, because of this i can't see where the risk of fungal infection comes from in regards to vinegar. If my fiend was forced too, i think he would choose white vinegar over lemon juice. Both lemon juice and vinegar pose a significant risk of bacterial infection as well especially lemon juice that has been used a couple of times and is not stored properly, i would imagine the biggest risk is with a miss which is liable to cause an abscess.

As for vitamin C, i would just mention that if people are finding it difficult to find then don't be tempted to try and use effervescent vitamin C tablets. I mention this because this is something that UK users have been known to try and use and it is something that a lot of people already have in the house. This stuff just doesn't work and it can definitely cause a dirty hit if not an infection.

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Re: How To: Making an IV speedball with heroin and crack rocks - easy!

In the UK it's now almost damned impossible to get Vit C or citric acid, the only place would be a chemist/pharmacy. But if SWIY were prepared to collect all the stuff that goes with it (they don't keep a register at some of the smaller independent ones) then they could get both for a relatively small amount of money. The only food shops that I'm aware of that would stock this are continental food shops, Indian/Chinese, those types.

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Re: How To: Making an IV speedball with heroin and crack rocks - easy!

I am surprised at Misparkles post, my fiend finds it very easy to get it but he is talking about a pharmacy with an exchange. In fact my fiend can get it so easily that there is just no need to use lemon juice at all.

It is possible to find pharmaceutical grade citric acid in boxes, if looking on the web for it then look for citric acid USP/BP. I don't know if it will be sterile, that's the good thing about the sachets, they are sterilised.
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Re: How To: Making an IV speedball with heroin and crack rocks - easy!

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I am surprised at Misparkles post, my fiend finds it very easy to get it but he is talking about a pharmacy with an exchange. In fact my fiend can get it so easily that there is just no need to use lemon juice at all.

Definitely no need to use lemon juice, but from what Sparkles has seen most food shops no longer stock it, not where she lives, or where she's lived in the past ten years, honestly. But needle exchanges (which are numerous) will sell it, with no questions asked.

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