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Old 14-06-2009, 12:20
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Heroin and Benzos!

The other day swim was hanging with a couple he knows who live on the street. He sees them loads, they're alot of fun, and have similar vices to swimself.

The guy is an alcoholic and junkie, and the girl is a junkie, who drinks, but hasn't reached the point of being an alcoholic yet. He's 26, she's 19.

When swim met up with them, they seemed normal, a little tipsy, but they're always tipsy, (always drinking super-strength beer), and it's never been a problem before. Swim and them scored, and found a place to do their normal doses, a bag for swim, and half a bag each for the couple.

At first they seemed ok, just pretty high. Swim found out at this point they'd taken 10 valium/temazepams about 5 hours ago, (6 for the guy and 4 for the girl).

A few minutes after the hit though, they really started worrying swim. Swim had known that benzos with any depressants wasn't a good thing, but had never really seen what a dramatic difference it makes. The girls lips were going purple then blue, and her keks were round her ankles (they go in the groin). Neither of them could really stand, and well, were basically worrying swim.

So swim stayed with them for about an hour, just making sure they stayed alive, until some do-gooders saw them and started calling (swim guesses) the police. Swim managed to move them at this point, as even in that state 'police!' wud make the fuckers move.

Swim lost them soon after. Apparently they were woken up the morning after by the police and a drug worker. And neither had any recollection of seeing swim.


Anyway, swim thought he should share this story, as it was a shock to him just how dangerously these 2 were affected by a few benzos.
These two have been on the scene for a while, and swim has seen them drink 9% beers and bottles of fortified wine all day long and still be fine when they did their evening shot.

However, a few little pills that they gave no real thought to nearly killed them.

Beware the Benzo!!!!!
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Old 14-06-2009, 13:28
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Re: Heroin and Benzos!

Pure stupidity. Everyone knows that alcohol and benzos are depressants and therefore not a good mix with heroin.

So many people die this way

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Old 14-06-2009, 14:23
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Re: Heroin and Benzos!

With all due respect junkhead, I think you're being a little harsh.

That girl had been on the streets and on heroin since she was 13, and the guy even longer. Their information on drugs came from the street, and their own personal experience.

They didn't know. Alot of people don't.
Admittedly most of the people on this forum do, because you don't get many hardcore/chaotic users who post regularly on internet forums!

I knew it was a dangerous combination, however, even so I was surprised by just how dramatic an effect it had, on two individuals with high tolerances who had seconds before appeared fine.
It's worth stressing the point.
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Old 14-06-2009, 15:15
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Re: Heroin and Benzos!

Hmm well most junkys I know know that mixing the 2 is a no no especially those kind of doses. Maybe SWIY should tell them that it isn't such a good idea. Most people know that mixing drugs is a good way to overdose and if they don't then they need to make it their business too otherwise they won't be here long. Might sound harsh but it is true. They were extremely lucky to still be here.
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Old 14-06-2009, 16:03
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Re: Heroin and Benzos!

Obviously they know now! Like many street junkys they almost always mix alcohol and heroin, benzos were a new addition however, and had a big impact.
Just thought I'd spread the word, because I'm sure those two aren't the only people out there to not realise quite how dramatic an effect benzos can have.
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Old 14-06-2009, 16:11
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Re: Heroin and Benzos!

Yeah is good harm reduction for those that don't know. It always amazes me that people aren't told these things at clinics and places like that
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Old 14-06-2009, 17:43
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Re: Heroin and Benzos!

mixing alcahol with any tablets is risky even for long term addicts with a massive tolerence to pills.alot of people just think they'll be ok or it won't happen to them.from swims experience alcahol and pills is a sure way to end up in intensive care.swim is prescribed 200mg of amitriptyline per day so tolerence is high.
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Old 14-06-2009, 18:41
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Re: Heroin and Benzos!

when SWIM drinks and then uses gear it really affects him and enhances the effect of the heroin, if benzo's too were in the mix this would surely have the effect described by mickey and SWIM would be out of it, injecting the gear would only increase the danger of this happening as SWIY would have no control if things get a bit wobbly, smoking, SWIY can put it down if too much.
This cocktail of drugs can be a killer and take heed those who dont know.
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Old 14-06-2009, 18:52
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Re: Heroin and Benzos!

Yes all those depressants put together spells disaster. Junkhead is correct on the fact most overdoses are due to combination. Swim is glad swiys friends are alive and okay, hopefully this thread is a reminder for other swimmers to be careful in what they are mixing and putting in their bodies.
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Old 14-06-2009, 22:13
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Re: Heroin and Benzos!

SWIM has 2 friends that have both ODed on the same combo of xanax and heroin, SWIM is educated so like a lot of us this sounds completely retarded and ridiculous but it is true ppl DO NOT KNOW, they just want to get loaded.
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Old 14-06-2009, 22:20
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Re: Heroin and Benzos!

Shit, swim's really sorry to hear that about your friends.

But yeah it is true. And swim has noticed that while the majority of street addicts in his current town are daily alcohol and heroin users, most of them only use benzos occasionally.

Meaning that when they are fine drinking all day and doing gear, when they do the same but get a few pills off a friend for a £ or 2, things can go horribly wrong.

Many times swim has prayed that the benzos he took wud do more, but with this combination they really come into their own.
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Old 14-06-2009, 22:53
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Re: Heroin and Benzos!

what are keks?
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Old 14-06-2009, 22:56
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Re: Heroin and Benzos!

ooooh sorry.
keks is what people from liverpool UK call trousers/underwear. Mainly underwear. She had her knickers round her ankles. Sorry!
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Re: Heroin and Benzos!

SWIMs twice 'gone over' after a dig when he'd consumed vast quantities of Diazepam (upwards of 30-40 blues) the previous day. He knew full well not to mix these two drugs, but thought he'd be safe a day later, mistake.
SWIM has also known people to OD mixing the combo, again aware of the dangers but in thier drugged state just plain not caring.
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Old 15-06-2009, 18:23
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Re: Heroin and Benzos!

swim got introduced to benzos when she was on the methadone clinic. this clinic was like a hang out, and a lot of people sold their xanax and valiums and klonopins and clonodines (sp?) etc. and it was common that everyone used heroin on top of their methadone doses and also used benzos as "opium enhancers". this is what swim was told they were and no one seemed to be concerned about the effects of mixing at all.

this is very dangerous and most people know this but its shocking the way some people are so careless about mixing these, especially at the street level (as some people have said). On the streets, a lot of people get their idea of what's "normal" or "okay" from what others do or say.
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Re: Heroin and Benzos!

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ooooh sorry.
keks is what people from liverpool UK call trousers/underwear. Mainly underwear. She had her knickers round her ankles. Sorry!
oh wai did she have her gundies round her ankles? were they too big for her? she needed some air up in thurr?
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Old 16-06-2009, 11:13
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oh wai did she have her gundies round her ankles? were they too big for her? she needed some air up in thurr?
She went inn the groin, but cos it hit her so hard, she ended up pawing at her 'gundies', not really knowing whether she'd hit up yet or not. In the end they just fell down lol.

Swim tried to pretend to passers by that he was a tai-chi instructor and they were his pupils........hence why they were rising and falling like stoned zombies........but alas, the act only held out for so long.
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she slammed in the femoral vein?

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Old 25-11-2009, 06:25
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She went inn the groin, but cos it hit her so hard, she ended up pawing at her 'gundies', not really knowing whether she'd hit up yet or not. In the end they just fell down lol.

Swim tried to pretend to passers by that he was a tai-chi instructor and they were his pupils........hence why they were rising and falling like stoned zombies........but alas, the act only held out for so long.

crazy chick man..

Swims little town lost a good man to mixing Xanax, Alcohol and H
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Re: Heroin and Benzos!

A great many heroin users die not from the heroin alone, but when combining the heroin with benzodiazepines. This is a very risky combo and should not be attempted, even by someone with a tolerance. Diphenhydramine is good at making heroin's effects slightly more enjoyable and reducing many of the negative effects without having anywhere near the risk of a heroin and benzo combination.

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Old 26-11-2009, 15:06
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Re: Heroin and Benzos!

Swim and her boyfriend were talking about this subject the other day, the issue of mixing heroin with benzos (and alcohol), and why people still do it. Swim had a few thoughts on the matter, which she will share with you all.

Addicts who are in a (relatively) stable situation with regards to their addiction tend to know where their next hit is coming from. They know when and where they're getting their next batch of money (be it the next paycheck, or the next dole check, doesn't matter), and probably have a script to fall back on, on the days when they're broke and unable to score. They know where they stand with regards to scoring, have a realistic idea of when they will next be able to use, and have some methadone to hold them until that point.

Comparatively unstable addicts like those described in Mickey Bee's original post seem to be at much higher risk of a polydrug overdose. These addicts who are living on the street, without a regular source of income do not know where their next hit of heroin is coming from. They are living a chaotic existence, from one day to the next, from hand to mouth (or should I say, hand to vein).

A hypothetical example: A homeless, heroin addict couple, similar to those described in Mickey Bee's post. After waking up rattling, they might get lucky in the morning, have someone offer them a bag in exchange for scoring. After which, as far as they know, they've got nothing until their next giro, which is almost two weeks away. They may manage to scrape together a couple of quid for some tinnies, to take the edge off the impending cluck. The super-strength Special Brew/ Tennants/ Tescos own brand stuff that Mickey Bee mentions being the number one choice, it seems. Then, later on in the day, someone offers them some benzos, and maybe some methadone for a small price. Of course they are gratefully accepted. They don't think they'll be able to score again til at least late the next day, they're gonna be ill, so best take what they can get, when they can get it, right? But then a stroke of luck happens - an opportunity arises, some grafting is done, money is made. Or maybe someone else offers a sorter for scoring on their behalf. Whatever, more gear is acquired, and taken. And this is when things start to go very wrong indeed, if they haven't already done so...

That mix of heroin, alcohol, methadone and benzos is a deadly one. People who don't know when they're next going to be able to score take whatever they can, whenever they can get it. If more heroin is available later on, it's a bonus. They're certainly not going to turn it down because they've already consumed x, y or z, are they? And this build up of opiates, benzos and booze is a typical fatal overdose combination.

Generally speaking, things are getting better. Addicts seem to be more aware these days than they were in the past of the dangers of mixing drugs. In general, in the UK, benzos aren't injected quite as commonly as they used to be, temazepam jellies aren't nearly as widely available anymore, methadone scripts are easily obtained, clean works are more readily acquired.

But there are still certain groups of heroin addicts, for whom these improvements pass by. Those mentioned above, those chaotic, street-living addicts, who can't hold down a script, and live a day-to-day existence, it's these people who suffer the greatest consequences of drug use.

A while back I added a file to the DF archive, The National Programme on Substance Abuse's published annual report on drug-related deaths in the UK 2009. This report details the true fatal overdose statistics of the past year in the United Kingdom. The total percentage of deaths due to polydrug overdoses really does speak for itself. Highly prevalent amongst these are combinations of opiates plus benzos and/or alcohol. I'd urge anyone interested to have a read, this report gives a true breakdown of the realities of drug use, stating pure facts and nothing else.

The full report can be found here:
Drug-Related Deaths in the UK - Annual Report 2009

A summary of the report (which is also included on the intro page of the above file) can be read in post-format in this thread here:
Fatal overdose statistics - UK

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